POTD Jeff Gray, RHP

Q.  What's the template?

A.  "Iron Mike" sinker-slider reliever, throws hard strikes, pitches to contact, lots of groundballs. 

The Mariners have a fondness for mediocre, reliable strike-throwing NON HOME RUN pitchers in the 7th inning -- Sean White, Sean Green, Jamey Wright, etc.

Right now, we would all have a lot of fondness for any mediocre, reliable pitcher in the 7th.  There have been nights at Boeing when I'd have given you $10 for a cold cup of coffee.  Even if somebody had put a cigarette out in it.  Especially if somebody had.

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Sully pointed out the M's collection of "colorful" pitchers - White, Green, Gray, 16 other guys and "almost Carlos Silva."  HEH!

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Q.  Is Gray distinctive within that template?

A.  The Bill James way is to (1) identify the pitcher family and then (2) look for things out of alignment in the statistics. 

This doesn't capture a pitcher, but it usually helps you get your arms around a pitcher.

The two things out of alignment in Gray's statistics:

  1. He gets few strikeouts for his velocity
  2. He throws only two pitches, those having only 5-6 mph difference

Gray throws everything at similar speeds, so they're going to make contact.  It is at the front and back of the zone that pitchers get swings and misses.  

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Q.  Does Gray have a curve or change at all?

A.  He doesn't, no.  He throws a curve like 3% of the time and a change like 3% of the time, both with horrific run values.  I think we can make a safe inference there.

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Q.  Does SSI like his motion?

A.  It's pretty, or used to be.  He throws downhill, comes over the top with authority -- to watch him warm up you'd wonder whether he was a 3.50 ERA starting pitcher.

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Q.  What is the shape of his fastball and slider?

A.  The fastball sinks three inches and has a big arm-side swerve.  The slider is meh for shape, according to F/X -- it doesn't drop much.  But he throws it real hard.  That's physics for you.

93-94 fastball, 87-88 "slider" actually more of a cutter.  Sean White type.

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Q.  Does that mean that lefties bash him?

A.  That is a classic recipe for having LHB's stick you on a skewer and roast you over the pit.  The fastball tails on to the lefties' bats.  Dave Allen has demonstrated that armside run from a RHP is conducive to his being toasted by LHB's.

Guess what?  Gray doesn't have a severe platoon split.  He's moderately effective against RHB's and LHB's.  Always has been.

I assume it's because he locates real well (and this location gets him no K's because he doesn't change speed).

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Q.  Why hasn't he been in the majors more?

A.  Never matched up with an org that wants a mediocre reliever, we guess.

There is "average-solid," a 55 player, average in a good sense.  There is "average-mediocre," a 45 player, dime-a-dozen in a bad sense.  His org's have considered him the latter.  

It's probably a matter of taste.

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Wonder why Gray never threw a forkball.  He coulda got rich.

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Q.  Why would Zduriencik want a generic sinker/slider RHP?

A.  Zduriencik does this a lot, takes Luke French when the entire baseball world wonders, "can't you get a dozen of those guys for nothing?"   Jason Vargas, Aaron Laffey, Jamey Wright, etc. etc.

There are two possible reasons that Zduriencik might want a mediocre-average reliever at this point:

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(1) He thinks he sees something in Gray.  As he did in Vargas and Aardsma, for example.  -- OR --

(2) With Wilhelmsen, Ray, and Lueke/Cortes pitching 1 inning per week, and Wedge using in effect a 9-man pitching staff, the Mariners need a 5th reliever that Eric Wedge will actually use.

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Think you can take it from there?  :- )

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Q.  Will Eric Wedge use Gray?

A.  It's tough.  Wedge is old-school:  he's got a doghouse, you can get it in quick, and you can stay there a long time.

Usually I scorn that about managers.  In this specific case, it's understandable.  Wedge is frantically trying to cobble a few wins, and every blinkin' night the lead is precious.  It's one of the few times I've been glad to see a manager make nervous choices about his bullpen swaps.  He's saved a lot of wins that way.

A good antelope is pretty skittish.  It's a virtue in antelope.  Wedge's 2011 bullpen is always sniffing the wind for encroaching .500 sluggers, ready to bolt if it catches a whiff.

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Gray will presumably have two or three games to raise Wedge's comfort level.  If he looks comforting, he'll get a few more.

The odds aren't with Gray in a situation like that.  But if he happens to start hot, he could become a Sean White type, and as you and I know, the 2011 Mariners need a couple of 'em.  Quick.

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Cheerio,

Dr D


Comments

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Guti activated, will play CF, but not every day.  Saunders will back up CF and share LF with Peguero and M.Wilson (until they decide they like one of them or give Carp a try or get somebody else, I guess).
Wilhelmsen to AA, where he will be stretched out to start.  That's a win-win.  He and Paxton are a nice couple of wildcards that aren't 18 years old.
That means 6-man pen, but since we've had a 4-man pen anyway, no biggie.
http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110518&content_id...
Wedge shoots down the Ackley rumors.  Still working on getting his "reps."
http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110517&content_id...

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wanted Ackley...WANT ACKLEY!!!!!!
Glad Guti is ready though.

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2015079489_despite_re...
"The Mariners like what they've seen from Ackley hitting-wise. He pounded a home run in a three-hit performance today for Class AAA Tacoma. But the team still does not feel he's ready enough defensively.
I'm told that the defensive stuff is more of a concern than Ackley's potential to gain Super Two status and reach arbitration a year early. It used to be that players could be held back until the third week in May (right about now) and not gain Super Two status, but lately, the cutoff date seems to be getting pushed further and further back to the point where anybody brought up before mid-June is a risk..."
He's been playing second base for over a year now.  Are three more weeks in the minors gonna clear up your concerns about it?
I don't see how that could make the difference in calling him up in May vs June.  Either he's ready now or he's not.  If it's for arb purposes, that's fine.  I expect that.  But if they're really feeling nervous about his D...how much longer could he be stuck in the minors "working on it" while our offense circles the drain?
Here's hoping it's all posturing and the Mariners miraculously believe his D no longer concerns them around June 10th.
~G

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As I noted before...I do think the Mariners are obsessed with the "pretty defense" thing and want Ackley to get his fielding reps for a while...I don't think he'll hit a magic mark where they suddenly aren't worried about the defense...I think around early June he'll have gotten the reps they set aside for him pre-season and he'll get his call-up even thoguh the team will still be whispering that they don't like the glove enough. But G is right...3 weeks in AAA is not going to make him a better fielder. I don't see the point.

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ghost's picture

Ah...the blogs do get it wrong at least as often as they get it right when it comes to scooping the org.

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I think the outer edge of 'defensive patience' is 428 games.  That's how many B.J. Upton got at shortstop before they accepted the reality that he was always going to be a 50-error/year SS.
As for GM-speak.  My default position is that you should only believe two statements uttered by a GM.  "We just signed X" and "We just cut X".  Outside of that, the truth vs posturing is a coin flip.
Of course, IMO, most of those pleading for Ackley to come up immediately are mostly motivated out of a sense that an extra 3 weeks of Ackley could make a difference THIS year.  It won't ... well, other than maybe costing a slot or two next draft day.
Me?  I think the club entered 2011 with 69-win talent.  I think they have played pretty much exactly to form ... (on pace for 67 wins at the moment).  The loss of Bradley and Langerhans almost certainly makes the club worse in the SHORT run. 
I think ultimately the Peguero, Wilson, Saunders OF dance will pay dividends in that ONE (1) of them will step up and be a replacement level player (or more).  But, until that winner is crowned, they will likely get 2 helpings of .500 OPS for every helping of .680 OPS. 
I think most people are over-stating the impact Ackley will have even if successful, because they don't realize that on the season, the 2B slot for Seattle (taken as a whole), has posted a .705 OPS.  Ackley will be coming in at the LEAST detrimental infield position.  The black holes of production at catcher, short and third will remain black holes. 
But, hey.  We're Americans.  If it takes more than 12 seconds to fix something, we'd rather buy a new one.

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Was that last (unnecessarily inflammatory) statement necessary? Not everyone is going to agree with the assertion that Americans are any less patient than Frenchmen.
Not to mention the fact that you're creating a straw man when you assume that people wanting Ackley up now are ALL just thinking of 2011...some of us MIGHT be thinking the more ABs Ackley gets now, the better he'll be in 2012...some of us might even be thinking that the better the W-L record in 2011 is, the more likely the Mariners will be to land that next important free agent. And some of us might also be thinking that Ackley is OWED his call-up at this point...it's only fair. And some of us might EVEN be thinking that the Mariners owe us their best effort to stay competitive...and that effort MIGHT include giving some of Figgins' at bats to Kennedy (the .700+ OPS guy who's holding together 2B right now) and cutting Jack "Suck-factor" Wilson and giving Luis Rodriguez some of Ryan's at bats. And hey...some of us might even be thinking that there is more talent arriving soon and it might be beneficial to stagger the arrival times enough that not everyone hits arb3 at the same time. Or that we need to know NOW whether Ackley CAN play 2B in the bigs. Or a hundred other things that you casually dismiss as imprudent, impatient "give it to us NOW" mentality that you also falsely ascribe to the whole gosh darned country.

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That Americans are less patient than Frenchmen :- )
But also that Sandy's been peculiarly irritable.  Must be Jason Heyward's .221 AVG, lol.
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It's possible, maybe likely, that Dustin Ackley will need Dustin Pedroia's 50-75 games' adjustment.  The point is that if such an adjustment is going to be necessary, the M's need to get it out of the way...
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You'd think after lecturing me so long and hard about Michael Pineda's 50% chance of failure, that he'd ease off the throttle a bit on Ackley... but you've got to give an A for effort!
:daps: San-man...
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