MIN-MAX
Christian Bergman may have a bowl of nightlock berries in his future, but ...

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Hi guys!  :- )  Missed yer.  The health issue was enough to warrant a hospital stay for three, four days but not serious enough to worry about.

Sudden thought.  Did that last sentence seem a little daffy to you?  ... good deal.  We haven't lost our stroke Yet!

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It would be MINIMIZING Christian Bergman's performance to wave off a 4-hit shutout* in Fenway Park.  That's the equivalent of a 300 score in bowling.  Not unseen, not enough to get a Tour card based on a single evening.  But then again it ain't like your maiden auntie is going to roll one, now is it?

It would be MAXIMIZING Bergman's performance to pretend like he had more than two strikeouts.  Or that Boston woulda got 0 runs without the four double plays behind him.  That's *more* than a double play every second inning.

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It would be MINIMIZING Bergman's outing if we forgot that just two starts ago, May 17, Dr. Detecto wrote that Bergman had Quote Unquote --- > what will be the best memory of his baseball life.  This makes the two best memories of his baseball life out of the last three starts.

It would be MAXIMIZING his outing if we glossed over the start in between.  His pitching coach hung him out to dry for 14 hits and 10 runs.  Is 14 hits the record for a Mariner pitcher in a single outing?  Or is it more like the record for a cricket team in a single afternoon?  Anyway, as Rockies Jeff and less cool pitching coaches would tell you (we think), a beating is a beating.  Chalk the Nationals game up for 6 runs or 10 or 15, it's just a sandlot game soaking up innings for the good of society.

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If he doesn't make it in MLB, they've got an actor ready for his bio movie
If he doesn't make it in MLB, they've got an actor ready for his bio movie

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It would be MINIMIZING Bergman's game Sunday, if we said you couldn't POSSibly win in the majors with an 88 fastball, a real hard 86 cutter, some change speed, and a flurry of 0-1 counts.  It would even be minimizing his arsenal, to say that guys don't have great summers (Esteban Loaiza), great seasons (Carlos Silva) or great twenty-year stretches (Greg Maddux) doing that.  Do you old timers remember Rick Honeycutt?  Started one year 6-0 for the M's, was it?  Pitchers can and do get "hot" for a month or three.  Maybe Bergman will.  He's got the background for it, like Esteban Loiaza went 21-9 one time in the middle of that super mediocre career.  Shigetoshi Hasegawa.  Should we play a little game, your favorite memory of a pitcher who for some months, pitched like a real star?

It would be MAXIMIZING Bergman's game if we didn't emphasize that's doing it the hard way --- > trying to make 90 straight* quality pitches without ever hanging anything up on a string for Dustin Pedroia to pounce on.  Bergman and his ilk are like tennis players trying to pass a serve-and-volley from 6 feet behind the baseline.  Takes a whale of a lot of accuracy to make it work.

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It would be MINIMIZING the chances for Bergman to pitch well if we didn't admire the peacefulness of his motion and the strike zone location that implies:

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It would be MAXIMIZING the benefit of his command if we didn't asterisk that --- > the sequences never include a shuuto or a forkball or a parachute change or anything.

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We report, you decide.  The great American / SSI way.  Anybody here like Christian Bergman's chances?

As for the rest of it, Dr. D is going to have to read up if he wants to info-tain THIS crowd.  Been quiiiiitttttte a while since he went a week without paying attention to the Mariners during the season.

It isn't likely that Christian Bergman's engine is going to sputter, cough, crank, turn over and roar to life as an American-born Japanese pitching motorcycle.  But two fantastic starts out of three, that justifies hope.  For him if not for us.  At the least, we can hope for six weeks of 2.75 ERA baseball while keeping the seat warm for Drew Smyly.

Great game though,

Dr D

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PS:  Sam Gaviglio vs. some National League pitcher, at altitude.  I get sooooo tired of watching sinker-slider, stoploss pitchers sometimes.  By "sometimes" I guess we mean, when there are four starters on the DL.  Let's outscore 'em Tuesday and then see how much 5,280 feet helps people hit lightning bolts.

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Great to have you back Jeff! And pray for continued health!!!!!

I know everyone hates Bandwagon fans but for one more start I officially will remain on the BergerBandwagon! The prior start contained all the shortcomings I saw when Berger was in CO. But yesterday shutting down the BoSox....if nothing else there is a story he can tell the grandkids! 

And if you pitch good you can still pitch at altitude! Force you to keep the ball down and on the corners! Rockies actually have a solid team this year....so far. Bud Black is an example of a manager who can handle the pitching staff vs the inexperience of a Walt Weiss.

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So after these years of getting to know the lad, you see a path to success for him?  Walking that fine line with enough consistency to become ... what.  A .500 pitcher for a couple years?

Thanks for dropping a line Coach :- )

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Seems to me that the salient point in this chess position is not MINIMIZING Berger's 2 of 3 excellent starts, given the state of our rotation Spaghetti.

The carnage in brief:

De Jong, Chase: 7.40 ERA and heading up with a bullet after 6 games, four starts

Overton, Dillon: 6.38, and very scraggly facial hair

Whalen, Rob: 8.44, but that's a whale of a lot better than...

Heston, Chris: 19.80, LOL get good scrub

 

The successes, which are brief:

Weber, Ryan: 3.2 decent innings, DL hammer squished him flat

Gaviglio, Sam: 1.38 ERA is not talking to his 4.87 FIP or 4.8ks, but still a bright spot so far

He Who Is Now Indispensable: ghastly 5.76 after 10 starts

StaffAceTM Ariel Miranda: 4.22, and genuinely looks to be heading up with a bullet

Bergman, Christian: 4.67 over five games, four starts

 

Is the Berg-Man mediocre at best? Meh. Probably. Do the last three starts earn him another two or three, given the state of the competition? Yeah you betcha! I'll be purchasing a one-way ticket on the Bergerwagon, and consider getting off at the station two weeks down the line, thank you.

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I couldn't improve any of that, so ... apparently it's an optimal expression of baseball thought.  

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Ya Sherm.  Miranda looks quite intriguing over the next couple starts, doesn't he?  If he's getting the feel for his location he could make a nice impact.

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I like the sickness-addled Doc. Very complimentary :-P

Yeah, Miranda's an interesting one. All the stats are actually a touch worse this year in roughly as many innings, EXCEPT that the Ks have flipped from 6.8 to 8.6. The result is about 60 points of his FIP, which he continues to outperform. If he can maintain anything like that K rate and bring the other stats back into line a bit, he'll have made a giant step forward. Maybe the silver lining of having the rotation fall apart so completely is that it enables Ariel to have a breakout season.

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I watched some of the early part of the game...well into the 5th, I think.  I swear there were stretches where he JUST(nearly exclusively) threw his fastball.  A Colon-style attack, minus bout 120 lbs.  But he did locate it well.  Hardly anything looked like a wounded-Ephus pitch, lingering in the middle of the plate.  He threw one pitch that had me wondering if it was a foshy-type thing, as it dove out of the bottom of the strike zone.  I don't think I saw another quite like it, but I was getting ready for a parade and an emceeing gig, as I was watching, so I missed some stuff.

His line this year looks remarkably like his career line, minus a couple of hits per 9.  Not playing in Colorado will do that for you.

I wrote this about him, a few threads back:  A Blue Chipper he isn't, although he's been decent in 80+ PCL innings over the past two seasons.  Well, he's better than decent in Tacoma this season, sporting a 5-0 record in 5 starts and 29 innings.  At age 25, in AA ball in '13, Bergman was pretty good, other than that, he's been organizational fodder.    He's done well this year.  There is not much reason to believe it will continue.  Meh!

I planted that flag.  I"ll still stand next to it.  But great outing yesterday, kid!!  The boys needed it!

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If only for 15 pitches at a time.  As we know, if he comes well in on the hands and then executes low-away ... well, until he misses with one he's going to be all right.  That's the impression I get from him, that really he is focusing on fastball command.

Brooks had him for a nasty swerve on the cut fastball, too.

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Didn't see the diving changeup - wasn't watching super close - but any pitch like that, he could deploy to keep them guessing even a little, would sure help him out, wouldn't it?

But yeah.  Bergman has had quite the year at Tacoma and now two shocking games in the bigs.  So, chicken salad we're seeing at the moment...

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As someone who follows cricket (primarily just the international fixtures), that line had me laughing out loud. Thanks for that, Doc. 

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Not that I have anything against it.  But if some afternoon I'm going to watch a fixture ... what would I watch for in order to enjoy cricket?

Oh.  And why DON'T the players do the King Ralph thing and blast a "home run" over peoples' heads?

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I'm actually in bed about to go to sleep so want you to know I will attempt a response tomorrow.  But, needless to say, I have much to comment on the subject re: appeal of cricket?

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I see he went 12-7 that year and, oddly, went 40-28 for his career.

Remember Wellsie with some fondness; he had the vanilla fastball-slider-changeup arsenal and seemed to use them identically whether relieving or starting.  Versatile, stuck around several years, sort of a poor Mariners' version of Bill Swift.

Which, Swift wouldn't qualify for this list I don't guess; he found a spitball or scuffball or forkball or something and actually got really good.

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Flipping through the almanacs a little bit ... it's kind of strange how FEW Hasegawa 2003 type one-offs the Mariners have lucked into.

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