Millwon't?

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I've spent my entire career on horseback or on a motorcycle. It boxes you in, the way people perceive you - Sam Elliott

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Q:  This is a fluke couple of months for Millwood.  There's maybe a 2% chance he'll pitch well all year.  Millwon't.

A.  Great quip on the Millwon't :- )

As to the Level 201 Scan here ... Kevin Millwood is entitled to put 2009 and 2005 on his resume.  In those seasons, he established levels at which he's capable of performing.

The 3.67 ERA in 2009 was over 198 innings.  Ranking #8 in the AL in ERA, pitching in that ballpark in Texas, is extremely impressive.  In 2005 he actually led the AL in ERA, #1 in the league, in a Cleveland ballpark that is hardly Safeco.  

For his career, his HR rate ain't 0.4 of course, but it is better than average.  True, he was throwing the ball for slop in 2009 and 2010.  But his velo was down in those years, the pitches were obviously mushy and the gopheritis in those years is not indicative of his career trends.

So if you're asking Dr. D, and you did when you clicked the bookmark :- ) I wouldn't call the chance 2%, not unless a 2% chance is likely to come up 2 of the last 6 iterations.   If a guy hit 30 homers twice recently, I wouldn't peg his chances for 30 dings this year at 2%.

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Back in spring training, Dr. D griped and moaned about tossing the Jackson 5 into cryostasis for the star journey to System 2013, but he did allow that if Millwood had mediocre life on the ball -- 88-89 touching 90 -- then Millwood could be deployed to 90-100 ERA+ effect.  The fact is that Millwood does know how to pitch, and the fact is that his elbow-rending Slider and Cutter have hung around for him long past the career yard marker we'd expect.  The cutter and slider are the separators for him, relative to other aging innings eaters.

If you never believe anything else Dr. D says, believe this one:  they invited Millwood to camp in order to see what he had left on the fastball.  They're going, well, if he shows up and throws 85 and can't spin a slider, no big loss.  If he does surprise and has a bounceback in the arm, good for us.  .... When Millwood maintained 88 MPH in March he was a Mariner, amigo.  That is the way with these late-30's innings eaters.

Kevin Millwood's velocity, if we haven't noticed has not been "mediocre" in 2012.  His velocity is outstanding.  It is back to its 2005-08 levels - he has much, much more life on the ball than anybody had any right to expect.  As long as he's throwing these pitches he's going to be in good shape.  He is simply throwing the ball much better than we could have hoped, and he's doing it reliably.

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That said, "doing it all year" for me wouldn't require a top-10 ERA finish; we're talking about whether he can throw the ball better-than-expected, and get better-than-expected results, over his next 10-20 starts.

Millwood is #16 in the league in ERA, ahead of CC Sabathia and Yu Darvish and Ricky Romero and James Shields and Josh Beckett.  If you want to find a 2% bet, sure, I'll bet you there's only a 2% chance that Millwood will finish ahead of all five of those pitchers.  :- )

If the fatigue doesn't catch up to him, Colon-style, and if the groin doesn't become a nagging problem -- for us 37+ year old feebs those pulls and strains linger -- I wouldn't be shocked by his finishing the year on a 3.75 ERA (thanks in part to Safeco).   Millwood has 1.3 WAR in the first third of the season, and SSI would gingerly predict him to post an additional 1.3 WAR over the second two thirds.  If that's what you mean by "2% chance," that you are ruling out a 4.0 WAR finish, I sympathize.  

4.0 WAR would be quite a surprise.  2.5 to 3.0 WAR is the midrange projection right now.   Shed the other two guys, but let Millwood pitch in the #3 spot as long as he's throwing 90-92.  He's great for the club.  Plus I can't stand the thought that I've heard my last in-game impersonation of Sam Elliott.

Dr. D has Millwood boxed in as an innings eater, but sometimes those innings eaters have a last season in the sun.  He is a nice grab for Zduriencik and Wedge, and he's hitting his 90% scenario this year, and they're going to want to bask in his last hurrah.  I don't blame 'em.

Cheers,

Dr D

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ghost's picture

After he got splattered by Cleveland and blew that huge lead, I wanted his head...but we have two guys pitching much MUCH worse. Millwood stays until we have replaced Noesi and Beavan and found two more guys that pitch better than Millwood..and then found a third guy we think will pitch better than him...and by think...I mean are 99% certain of it.
We don't have that. We have Hultzen and Walker for the first two feebs and then maybe Paxton and his wildness or E-Ram and his WISHING he could throw the ball as well as Millwood has done so far and Carraway and all the rest and none of them unseats Millwood until he implodes in the stuff department.

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I buried him after Cleveland, but I would owe him an engraved apology.  If we were on his radar, of course, which we aren't.
There's a light bulb in there somewhere, but I don't know what it is.  That's the worst kind of light bulb.  Anybody who can capture it gets flowers from me.

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After Cleveland, I buried Millwood, too. But he's back, and pretty good. His FB has found new legs and he hits his spots. Unless we bring Hultzen and Walker up, why wouldn't you let Millwood keep airing it out. To tell you the truth, I think I keep him next year...when I bring the kids up. A grey-beard imparting 100 years of pitching wisdom isn't a bad idea. He's not a starter then, mind you.
Beavan is the same guy he was last year, although his hits/9innings is up a bit. He needs to learn to miss bats badly. He's only 23 and it could happen, I suppose, but it looks like he will be an end of rotation guy. Wanna bet he has one pretty nice season ahead however, for some team. He'll have a year where he gets a break on BABIP and looks quite decent. I'm not sure where he fits with this team. LR, probably.
Noesi is interesting. WHIP is down, because his hits/9 is down 2+. But, Oh, those taters. 14 of 'em. Yow! 24 of his 45 earned runs allowed are on homers. I don't know if he misses up...or misses in the middle of the plate, but he misses badly....a lot.
Ramirez? Probably time to get him here, again. He's now officially stretched out.
Mostly I would bring Hultzen and Walker up and let them go.
But I have no problem letting a healthy Millwood air it out, without the AAA/AA guys in the rotation right now.
And I'll make one comment about Wedge and meritocracy, prefaced with an acknowledgement that Olivo homered and threw a guy out.
But the day after your young stud catcher-to-be puts down the fingers for 6 different pitchers and helps them to a collective no-hitter, you reward him by NOT catching him?
Olivo hit one over the fence. Good for him. But I found it way odd that there was no "atta-boy" lineup decision made by Wedge.
Figgins? No mas!
moe

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Brent's picture

As much as I'd prefer not to have Olivo in the lineup, since it was a lefty going for the hated Dodgers it was a foregone conclusion that he'd be in there somewhere. I'm not going to call it a day game after a night game type of thing, but it was an afternoon game after a night game, and given Wedge's tendencies it didn't surprise me that Olivo was behind the plate instead of as the DH. Doesn't mean we have to like it, or that we shouldn't rail against it, but it's certainly no surprise.
Completely agree on the Figlet, though. All hope of getting anything for him better than day-old bread is long gone. He's done here, every other team knows it, and if for some inexplicable reason they want him they'll wait for him to be released and pay him the minimum rather than pick up any part of his salary from us.

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Yes, Millwood had great results in 2005 and 2009 ... (and '99 and '02 if you want to go back farther).
Where I'm coming from with Millwood isn't based solely on stats. I got to watch his streaks and slumps first hand for 5+ seasons, (since i got to watch him go up against the Braves after he moved to Philly).
When I say he cannot keep "this" up all year ... I am talking about how good he has been in May and June. Millwood has an OPS against in May of .580 ... and .533 in June. THAT is unsustainable. He simply isn't that "talented".
But, since you brought up 2009 ... Millwood's OPS against that year was .750. Currently it is .655.
IMO, a reasonable assessment of Millwood is that he is capable of reproducing his career line *despite* the fact he's 37 instead of 27. That's to be applauded. He's got a lot of talent. But what does a 1.0/2.8/.6.9 pitcher slashline say about a pitcher? It says he's a plus pitcher. Not quite an ace ... but a solid pitcher for almost any staff.
But, then again, Millwood hasn't managed a 6.9 K/9 since 2004 ... when he was 29. Even with Safeco helping, his HR rate at the moment is more lucky than good.
As the air heats up ... the AL rebooks him ... and his mechanics fail him a few weeks from now ... it won't feel so great. Oh ... given the #1 defense in the AL, I think he could put together a solid 3.90 over the full year. But, the guy everyone hated a month ago is the same pitcher loved today.
I've watched Millwood pitch like Tom Seaver for a month and like Dr. Jason Seaver the next. When I factor together the reality of the tenuous hold Millwood has always had on his mechanics ... coupled with the very real limitations of age ... yes, I believe the odds of him continuing to do what he's done over the last six weeks for the next 15 is about 2%.

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But what does a 1.0/2.8/.6.9 pitcher slashline say about a pitcher? It says he's a plus pitcher. Not quite an ace ... but a solid pitcher for almost any staff.
But, then again, Millwood hasn't managed a 6.9 K/9 since 2004 ... 

K rates since 2003: 6.9, 8.0, 6.8, 6.6, 6.4, 6.7, 5.6, 6.2, 6.0 and this year's 6.6.  I would be "satisfied" with 1.0 / 3.0 / 6.5 Millwood, no question, and if he hasn't hit 6.9 since 2004 he's also only been under 6.0 once in that timeframe.
We don't need him to be an ace, we just need him to be better than Beavan and Noesi.
Of course, to your point, there have been just 14 pitchers since 1980 who were 37 or older and managed Ks between 6 and 7 per, with walks under 3.  Derek Lowe did it for Atlanta a couple of years ago - it's doable, but hard with that skillset and age.
Is it doable for Millwood?  The groin injury is a nod to the idea that we should watch his innings and his rest days, but if he can be a league-average pitcher I'm absolutely thrilled.  A 3.90 ERA? To start the season, if that was a betting line I'd have put Ben Franklin on the over.
4-ish ERA Millwood can stick around all year. 5.5 Beavan and 6 Noesi can regroup in the minors.  Once Milwood is my #5 starter he's great even if his game slips a little.  Felix / Vargas / Hultzen / Erasmo / Millwood til September works fine.  Then Beavan and Noesi can come back once we shut the kids down for innings reasons and show what they've learned.
~G

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ghost's picture

I, of course, mean that in the Jim Bouton, "I just died today" way, of course. Though my sentiment is also filled with a desire to see vengeance wrought upon him for yet another stinkfest of a ballgame. *sigh*
Why is Beavan still on this club?

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They've still got Iwakuma tanned, rested, and ready to go.  I'd buy a ticket just to see his 62 MPH eephus pitch.
And Erasmo.
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There's not much apparent baseball rationale, considering Beavan's K rate and the awesome flotilla of talent behind him.
.... earlier they supposedly had interest in Figgins and were haggling dollars.  Maybe Zduriencik has suitors for Beavan.  If so that still chaps my hide - how much delta could there be on the trade return May 20 vs June 20.

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Wedge's M.O. seems to include waiting on any changes untill we all just can't stand it any more. And then give the player another week of chances.
At least the moves get made ultimately.

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I just can't watch Beavan pitch any more. He and Noesi need to GO.
They're not ready to really help us, and they're REALLY hurting us. I don't care as much about the Kershaw loss - who thought we were winning that one? - but the back-end starters aren't even putting up a fight.
They're sucking the life out of the stadium. That's got to change. If you HAVE to do it in two stages, then demote one now for Iwakuma/Erasmo as Doc says, and cal up Hultzen for the other one before July.
But really, we have to sit here and wait for both of those things? Erasmo's fine. The Incredible Hultz (thanks Griz) is doubling up his nearest competitor on the Southern League on ERA, leads in hits allowed, 2nd (by 1) in Ks...
OTHER than Super Two, what could the hold up be? Get a move on, Jack. Start advancing some pieces before we have to forfeit.
~G

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Ha. A week ago folks were upset at Big Blog's dismissal of Beavan as a major league pitcher. Today, folks are on board. The internet is funny like that.
Every batter seems to know that he's going to get a strait 90mph fastball (or three) in the zone every AB. Hitters look comfortable up there - really dug in - when Beavan is pitching. He needs a big breaking pitch or he's toast.

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It's whether he ever would be.
It’s time to just pull the plug and admit that Beavan doesn’t have any kind of future as a starting pitcher in the big leagues

Those are the quotes that drive me insane.  If you believe he isn't one right now, I absolutely agree.  I've been wanting to demote him for a while - although until tonight Noesi was absolutely ahead of him on my demotion list because Beavan didn't get shelled.  Now that they're both getting shelled, either is fine with me for a minor league demotion, and in no way should they both get their scheduled starts against the Giants.
But ever?  I can't cross Beavan off the list of major-league pitchers.  I remember that Greg Dobbs couldn't hit anything with that pretty swing (1500 pro at-bats later he's having pretty long ML career), that Fister was a "back end junk starter," that Mike Morse was a joke (130 OPS+ in 1300 plate appearances is hilarious), that Brian LaHair's name must not even be MENTIONED as a prospect (best hitter on the Cubs this year by a long shot), that Saunders was no kind of prospect, Choo was just a 4th OF who "can't hit lefties" (true) and "lacks the requisite skills to be a major league starting outfielder" (demonstrably false and said a month before he went to Cleveland and became an immediate juggernaut)...
I could field a pretty good team with the players that USSM has authoritatively dismissed as worthless wastes of time.
In 2015 would I be surprised that Beavan picked up a split-finger and was a MOR starter?  No.  He can obviously find the zone, he just needs a better breaking pitch.
He's not future-less as a starter - he's current-less.
So let him go to the minors and find a future.
~G

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Beavan's got 4 K, 1+ BB, and it's unclear where his homer rate is.   He's got like 60% QS for his career.
He's got a place in the game, but ... blocking dynamic talent?  Neh.  
It's one thing to say that Ryan Franklin should not be holding out Michael Pineda.  It's another thing to sneer at giving Ryan Franklin a 15-start opportunity.
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Coming from you Grizzle, if you want to go on the record that Beavan's a lost cause, we all understand that you're putting chips down on the "don't pass" line.  No problem.
Coming from "On High," the scornful Beavan post is intended to end the discussion, stop here, speak no further.  Am not buyin' the 998/1000 light bulb shtick he's peddlin'.  ;- )
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I'd peg Beavan's current level at around his career 81 ERA+ ....  81 is a back-end starter; some teams need stoplosses.   There are a whale of a lot of 80, 90 starters in the league.   100 ERA+ is not the bottom cutoff for MLB(TM) starter.
 :droll tone:   I Could Be Wrong.

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... "we're not going to make a decision on a Sunday night," you know.
As I recall, the last time Wedge backed his closer, we found out the next day that the role would change... after those classy got-yer-back postgames come the GM/coach private consultations...
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By the way Dr. G.  If you're inclined to talk shop for a second.
My son John says that the last three times he's drunk Vitamin Water (with vitamin B5) it's had a Drano effect on his GI tract.  With a B5 amount smaller than the RDA?  Is that plausible?  ...maybe it's because his regular diet has so little B5...

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Are Hultzen and Walker ready?
Carraway was ready to move up - 0.2/1.7/7.6 slashline at Jackson for a 2.61 ERA.
In same number of innings, he's 1.0/2.4/4.9 - 3.41 at Tacoma.
I know that the paradigm of "having" to spend time at AAA is fading ... but exactly when did bypassing AAA become a requirement?
Is it at least a possibility that the hitting talent in AA right this instant just happens to be sub-par? What do the league averages show?
PCL R/G = 5.12
SL R/G = 4.12
The Southern League this year is chock full of amazing pitching lines.
Donnie Joseph (Pen/Cinci) - 13.6 K/9 -- identical to Capps.
There are currently 15 pitchers in the Southern League with K/9 in double digits with at least 25 innings pitched.
With the PCL generating a full run more offense per game ... to get a better read on where they are ... move them to Tacoma. Marquez, Vazquez and Snow are a Neopolitan triple scoop of disaster thus far.
Hey ... I was the guy down on Beavan early and advising patience with Noesi. I'm willing to accept both are reasonable candidates for a trip to Tacoma today. But, are Carraway and Erasmo ready to come up? That I'm less sure about. I'm REALLY less sure about the AA pitchers that are dominating what is likely the worst hitting minor league out there.
But, there's a lot of variables in play. You don't jerk guys around just because you can. Every promotion is coupled with a corresponding demotion. What is reasonable with Noesi and Beavan is a legit question? Not only for general fairness ... but also for their best developmental route. Same goes for Hultzen and Walker ... but that doesn't mean you pretend you aren't trying to develop guys like Vazquez and Snow as well.
The club was high enough on Snow (that does sound like a drug reference, doesn't it), that they had him bypass Jackson altogether. Yes, he's struggled in Tacoma ... but he's also managed an 8.9 K-rate in AAA over 91 innings. So, is 91 innings enough to say ... send him down to Jackson? I don't know. I do know he's having control issues for the first time ever ... which could mean they're working on mechanics.
But, if you call up the AA studs and send Snow and Marquez down (for instance), what happens if Hultzen's initial control issues resurface at Tacoma? What if Hultzen starts walking 6 a game while fanning 9 ... like Snow has been doing in Tacoma? Then what?
The development task that is perhaps the most difficult is judging not whether a player has "mastered" the current level. The larger question is whether he is ready for the next level. It's not precisely the same question.
By and large, Seattle has been superb in making those judgements. That doesn't mean things will work out 100% of the time. But if they choose Noesi over Erasmo ... they had reasons. If they promote Carraway instead of Walker ... they have reasons. And these reasons are built around understandings of the subtle differences between AA and AAA and MLB realities.
Since 2009, the club has produced practically out of thin air ... Vargas, Fister, Pineda, Wilhelmsen, Furbush ... and has progressed from having Feierabend and Cha-Seung Baek as the minor league backups to: Hultzen, Walker, Carraway, Erasmo, Capps and Moran.
If the club is choosing to be patient, I for one am going to start from a belief that these guys know what they're doing.

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Beavan is a 80+ ERA pitcher who will have a 100-110 season, eventually. Or two.
But the question is (and has been all season) when are Hultzen and Walker throwing in Safeco and THEN what do you do with your back end guys?
You know, at some point talent demands a trial. Hultzen and Walker passed that point a while back.
And I still remained confused at Wedge's dislike for using Iwakuma. I don't get it. He basically gets people out (or has in his limited appearances) and fans 7+ of them.
Give him a start.
I would keep Beavan around for a few seasons, as a long guy and spot starter, but right now, if he has to head to Tacoma to make room for for the Jackson Duo, so be it.
Let's go.
moe

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Look at our staff in Tacoma vs Jackson.
Tacoma team ERA: 5.62
Jackson team ERA: 3.12
You think the two leagues are 2.5 runs different, or that the staffs might be made of slightly different quality players? And that fact happens to affect the batting stats of the players hitting against them, y'know.
You think the Southern League hitting stats are down because the quality of hitters suck? Why would the dominant pitching they are facing not have something to do with that? Bauer, Hultzen, Corbin, Skaggs, Molina Heckathorn, a bunch of great bullpen arms... Teams stored many of their massive pitching talents in AA this year. Isn't that how it is every year?
R/G:
2011: PCL = 5.56, SOU = 4.46
2010: PCL = 5.22, SOU = 4.52
2009: PCL = 4.88, SOU = 4.29
AA teams are younger and so have more growing hitters - and more talented ones. AAA teams are older but stocked with quad-A hitters and #6 or 7 starters who are stoploss guys or 30 year old journeymen. AA is the gauntlet, the proving ground both for pitchers (guys can finally hit breaking balls) and hitters (the pitchers are more dangerous). AAA is the holding pen. Hultzen's proved everything he needs to prove, the rest is just a waiting game.
Carraway is the 6th or 7th most talented arm that was in Jackson. That doesn't mean he can't be a quality ML pitcher, but his raw stuff is a handful of matches compared to some of the bonfires we've got down there.
Telling me Carraway became merely the 2nd best pitcher on the Tacoma roster by being promoted isn't an indictment of Carraway or the talent level in AA - it reinforces the idea that any of our AA thunderbolts (or Erasmo, the best pitcher on the Tacoma roster) have more oomph that anything from Beavan on down to AA.
Are they ready? Is it time to pull the plug on the current big-league tenures of Beavan and Noesi?
I think when Hultzen is promoted in 2-3 weeks that you'll say, "see, they judged he was ready, and made their move." And I'll tell you that wasn't it, and it was all about money.
Which is understandable, but not a talent evaluation. If you can explain to me what more Hultzen has to learn in AA I'd love to hear it - especially since the hitters apparently all suck down there according to you.
~G

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ghost's picture

Would appreciate a bit of insight from Dr. G as well...because I find that when I drink Vitamin Water or Fruit2O or even Propel Fitness more than once in a two day period, it causes GI distress...not sure what would cause that issue...I have no other clear signs of food sensitivity.

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I'm not aware of any toxicities of B5 on the GI tract, and I wasn't able to find any in a literature check. Could be a coincidence, or perhaps some other compound in the drink.

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I think the problem is the electrolytes. When the ion concentration of the fluid in your intestines is too high you will get an influx of water and that will lead to cramping and diarrhea -- I presume it is a function of osmotic pressure.
That's my hypothesis, anyway.

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benihana's picture

Millwood was dead weight in March/April and after he got shelled in Cleveland many were exasperated by his mere presence on the team.
Saunders was OPS'ing in the mid six-hundreds in mid April and looked lost at the plate. The M's were patient and he's turned it around.
Same with Smoak. The list goes on.
When should the club be patient? When is it time to make a change?
Zduriencik directly said that this season would be a struggle. "This is going to be a challenging year at the big-league level for us. Let's not kid ourselves."
I think it's the nature of being a fan that makes us want the M's to continue to throw new bodies into the mix to see if any have the stuff to stick. But it's the nature of young ball players to go through struggles.
Can't be an easy call to management to make. When to cut bait?
/shrug - thankfully this decision is above my pay-grade.
Why did Beavan get blasted the last time out? Was it a great LAD line-up that hit Vargas hard the night before? Was it mechanical? Was it bad execution? Was it a bad game-plan? Is it mental? Physical? Does he just not have the pitches? Can he learn how to get MLB hitters out in AAA? Is there a grip/pitch/mechanical change that he can learn in the minors?
Who knows. We do know that Wedge and GMZ put Beavan and Noesi in the starting rotation and not Ramirez and Iwakuma. That says something. Do they see reason to be patient or do they see kinks that need to be ironed out in the minors?
One thing for sure - we do not know that Ramirez or Hultzen (who's risen past K-Pax and Walker these last two months,) or anyone for that matter, will perform better - we all just guess at the future.
My frustration at the dismissive nature of the argument is simple - we do not know what Blake Beavan will be. We cannot know what Blake Beavan will be. We can only see what he is and what he's been, the rest is inherently just a guess.
- Ben.

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But you're going to get more systemic analysis here than anywhere else around, I think it's fair to say...
We've diced Beavan's template to a fare-thee-well ... my complaint is not that he couldn't run a 4.0 K rate (or even a 5.7 K rate, if he leaps a plateau) up to a 100 ERA+ ... my complaint is Beavan's upside scenario vs. the pitchers he is competing against...
I don't think Beavan is part of ANYbody's next pennantwinning rotation here, yours or Jay-Z's or anybody's.  My complaint is about the way the placeholding is dragging out.

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benihana's picture

The next pennant ain't this year right?
Least that's what management told us. So if dragging a placeholder out buys us the opportunity to keep a young nucleus together - where's the harm?
If the M's roll a yahtzee on the youngins and Ackley, Seager, Montero, Smoak and more all turn out to be stars - how in the world do we find the payroll to keep them together? Add in the young arms - all at the same time? Egads. I see visions of a dozen not quite A-Rod's leaving for greener pastures.
Here's what I think - I think that Z recognizes that young bats need 1000 ABs to gel and that stud young pitchers don't. And I think he's lining those two things up so they hit at the same time.
I'm fine wit dat.
- Ben.

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... Pineda was ready to go from game one; Felix took what, one-point-something or two-point-something years to get a feel for when to not overchallenge... just musing...
I wonder if that's a general principle that is bankable enough to steer by.  The idea that Hultzen, Paxton, Taijuan need very little time to develop in the majors.
If so, that would be ironic, considering everybody and his brother guarantees me that their MINOR league development needs 300+ IP or they'll melt down like the guy at the end of The Fly...
 

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Noesi throws 94 and is half-way brilliant with runners in the dugout. You're watching his downside right now - he cannot get outs when he needs them, which is a combination of an ineffectual out pitch with runners on and horrible pitching acumen/nerves.
Why would we want to watch his downside play out in the pros? If this was the only way he could dig out, then I'd find some way to sit through it. He's not out of options, though, so it's not the only way.
Beavan is a control freak with zero out pitches - this is basically his downside too. With Noesi the upside is 110 and the downside is apparently 60. With Beavan it's more of a 70-100 spread.
In the minors sit a guy with more Ks and the same control as Beavan (Erasmo) and one with more Ks with even fewer hits than Noesi (Hultzen) but without his demonstrated on-base atrocities.
If the guys on the big-league squad are hitting their downside projections, while the minor league guys looked prepped for at least mid-range projections as high or higher than the midrange on our two major leaguers...
What's the problem? We won't lose Beavan or Noesi but we trade their current failures for another shot at upside while they go work on getting to their own upsides.
Win-win.
Isn't it July yet so I can see this play out? I'd like some big-league innings for Hultzen this year to work out the kinks of major-league transition and be good to go for next year.
Or conversely to fall on his face too so that he knows what to work on. With an ERA approaching zero he's not being given enough data in AA, that's for sure.
~G

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That's certainly true, but ion concentrations in fitness drinks are not really high enough to cause osmotic diarrhea. Now if you're using the drink to wash down magnesium supplements, then that's another story.

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Quick google of "vitamin B5 diarrhea" had suggested (IIRC) that B5 can increase acetylcholine in the GI tract, stimulating activity... that's supposed to be at 2-10 grams a day, though...
Never heard of Gatorade causing this problem, but my son's diet is very odd and the B5 delta may have hit him or, more likely, the coincidence you mention Dr...
Thx again...

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