Konspiracy Korner: the Next Justice
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Q.  Another Konspiracy Korner, after Spring Training has started?

A.  Dr. D launches another stub with, for the first time, a skosh of trepidation.  Last week's discussion became, at a few moments, rather (1) peevish.  Therefore (2) partisan.  Therefore ... (3) UNINTERESTING.

The stimulating portions of the conversation come in the attempts to find middle ground, in the resources that each poster can allocate to the Think Tank while wearing a mediator-style hat.  If we were just going to grumble that 'this channel shouldn't exist' or 'that candidate's supporters are Troglodytes' we can do that at the dinner table.  :- ) 

But ... yet another 'discussion' broke out in the Shout Box.  The Think Tankers are simply irrepressible.  So here's a stub.  As y'know, we live to serve.

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Q.  This seems to be Dr. D's blog, kinda.  What does he think of the Senate's brazen statement that they're not going to vote on any Judicial nominees in an election cycle?

A.  LEGAL:  the Constitution seems to allow this.  Barely.

SPIRITUAL:  President Obama has regretted the way that the government has become 'more polarized' over the last 7 years.  This is a 'natural' ramification of what politicians on both sides have worked towards with such vigor.  Careful what you ask for!  You might get Sanders vs Trump, and that to decide the fate of the Union.

Bill James has been warning darkly about an impending Civil War.  We trust that all SSI Think Tankers recognize that the harsh rhetoric has not been limited to one side or the other.  Comedians, politicians, talk show hosts, 98% of them are pushing us towards the goal line here.

LET'S BE STRAIGHT:  President Obama and the Senate Judicial Committee weren't going to get anywhere NEAR a mutually agreeable nominee.  There isn't any chance that Obama is going to nominate a Justice who is middle-of-the-court and there is none that the Senate will confirm another Ginsburg.  

(Correct me if I'm wrong.  Would it be feasible for Obama to nominate a judge who might later vote pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-gun rights etc?  Someone whose decisions on 'litmus' issues was unpredictable?  Dr. D could very well be underestimating the possibility of a mutually-agreeable nominee.  If so, he welcomes a correction.)

PRACTICAL:  President Obama / Candidate Hillary suffer no consequences from pushing a nominee.  Some GOP Senators might face modest voter repercussions - which are trivial in view of the stakes.  

That, however, is from a HERD mentality, survival of the species.  It surprises Dr. D that some INDIVIDUAL Senator hasn't been issuing pro-nomination statements for the purpose of winning his own race.

POLITICAL:  It is totally opaque to me why McConnell chooses to be so unpleasantly confrontational, and so quickly.  He could have said, for instance, "Let's take a week and mourn Justice Scalia," and then he could have proceeded toward evaluation of any nominee with the idea "If this person is a dyed-in-the-wool liberal, we'll go through the motions and then reject."  Perhaps some SSI Think Tanker -- who is not emotionally engaged on the issue :- )  -- could explain to me why this isn't being done?

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Q.  What is originalism?  What is textualism?

A.  Rick opined that "a living, breathing Constitution is no Constitution at all."  Dr. D doesn't know exactly what people mean by "living and breathing," but if it means "We have to deal with unforseen circumstances as we believe best," he applauds it.  If "living and breathing" means anything similar to "Those guys in the 18th century have no say in what we do now," he aligns more with Rick.

The U.S. Constitution has done pretty good.  For a pretty long time.  If there's such a thing as "settled law" at all, one might suspect the Constitution would be it?

At which point we hand back over to James.  There are about 30 Q-and-A's up the last two days on the general issue of originalism.  Here's one:

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I find it hilarous that so many of your readers are confused by Scalia and consevative jurisprudence in general. They all seem to believe that it's "let's use 18th-century philosophy to interprtet 21st-century problems". When in fact it's "all we have is the actual words on this pieace of paper, and if these words have nothing to do with the issue before us, we shouldn't take this case." That essentially sums up Scalia's opinion on a host of issues he's been villified for.
Asked by: Riceman1974
Answered: 2/24/2016
Exactly. There is a counter-tradition that argues that the meaning of the constitution evolves over time, which became--in Scalia's opinion, and mine, a tradition of reading into the Constitution stuff which simply isn't there. People are certain that they know what the founders WOULD have said about this issue, so they will say it for them.

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As far as Dr. D can see, it ISN'T a question of being fettered by Alexander Hamilton's worldview.  In Dr. D's dumbed-down view of the legal world, we face a question of whether we're going to REALLY use this document as the Supreme law of the land, whether we are going to show authentic deference to it.  

And, for that matter, to the Declaration of Independence.  Mojician can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd thought that the DOI set forth the moral and philosophical principles on which the U.S. was founded - and was, in that sense, 'superior' to the Constitution.

It could be that the Constitution has outlived its purpose, and that we should switch to another system.  I'm warming to giving the dictatorship to whoever steps forth in a farcical aquatic ceremony.

Enjoy,

Jeff

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Some of these things are repeats, but for those of you who have not read my late points to the discussion:

Q1 - McConnell and the Senate Republicans are being fools for taking such a hard stance so quickly... and for not going through the motions of at least taking about candidates. I am not sure a hearing will ever be needed, but at least for now just shut up and let Obama / Democrats make the next move. Speaking harshly first has already given Obama / Democrats the moral high ground and a major EASY win in on this topic - just stop digging the hole any deeper.

Q2 - I believe I read a couple places that Scalia actually called the document dead versus living and breathing... and that these new issues should be decided state by state until 37 states had agreed upon the same answer.  I do understand that several issues needed an answer as to whether they were legal, but again I believe Scalia would have preferred the individual state Supreme courts make the decisions.

However, since that obviously has not and will not happen, I would accept the future courts just stop inventing laws based on what other countries beliefs or whatever the seems fair to the political party in control of Federal government at the time.

Q3 - As to the headline - the next Justice? I would like to see the loser of Cruz / Rubio fight... but don't worry... that will never happen.   

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Q2. I think the signatories would be surprised at how little we've tweaked the Constitution. Some probably figured we'd improve it, others probably feared we'd make it worse, as our "passions" and "factions" got the better of us.

Since the 18th century we've added hand grenades to our arsenals. Tanks as well. A "living constitution" that allows for changing with the times might allow for private ownership of such things. Certainly if we are going to find abortion and gay marriage in the Constitution, where it is silent on the matters, I think we could make a pretty strong case for ownership of such things, especially since the Bill of Rights speaks specifically of a constitutional right to bear arms. Now, I am against private ownership of grenades and tanks. So, as I told gun owners when I ran for office in 1990, I believe in the right to own a rifle, and maybe a pistol.  On the other hand, I wasn't too sure about the right to own a cannon. That's extreme originalism, I suppose. But in doing so, I am trying to take into account what the people were thinking when they advocated for that right. The militia thing suggests it's more than the right to hunt. 

I prefer common sense applied to interpreting these things. There are people who will quote founders who say the people need guns in case Government becomes tyrranical. Those people probably want tanks and grenades for the apocolypse. But most folks want a gun for self protection. 

Liberals who expand Constitutional rights from the bench don't realize that when they find rights to privacy in the constitution, which then see us legislating from the bench by breaking the 9 month gestational period into thirds, arbitrarily, to divvy up rights for unborn, women and the state, that that seems as absurd as ruling my neighbor has a right to keep a tank and armour piercing shells in his garage.

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Young rockstar Senator Rubio ascends to the Presidency and then he and the G.O.P. Senate proceed to stock the Supreme Court with 35 year old health nut Sam Alito clones as the older Justices retire or die.  Then the Congress and President bring about a new era of Reaganomics, fiscal responsibility and states rights conservatism to get the country back on some kind of track toward prosperity and peace in our time.

Only Donald Trump is winning. 

How much of a Republican disaster is he?  He is an Atlantic City Casino owner.  Doesn't that at least mean that he knows some Mafia people?  If Hillary is a criminal for carelessly having secret stuff on her computer, shouldn't we be suspicious of a longstanding casino owner as President?

Further, he looks like the bad future version of Biff Tannen from Back to the Future 2. 

What are you looking at Butthead?

Third, his shtick has divided the party into pro-Trump, and anti-Trump.  He has alienated Hispanic and women voters, who have been GOP mainstay demographics, and all for no particular reason except because he has a slanderous mouth.

Fourth, his motives for the office seem fueled by ego rather than patriotism.  Who knows what he would do if he got the big chair. 

The Senate cannot be sure that Trump would do anything they wanted if he were President.

Now, we understand that President Obama and the Senate don't send each other Christmas cards.  That's okay.  But there is an ancient Public Defender maxim that bears repeating here: Pigs get fat; Hogs get slaughtered.  The Senate should hold out for more of a right wing Justice than President Obama would normally be inclined to give, but should not block the vote entirely because what happens next might be worse. 

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President Obama and the left surely fear what Trump might do to their country as much as the GOP does.  They have a vested interest in getting a candidate that will pass muster in the Senate.  To make things easier, they are replacing Justice Scalia, who wasn't the most centrist vote.  They could replace him with a conservative without losing ground on the Supreme Court.

Someone should budge here, as the directors are deadlocked and the doomsday clock is ticking. 

As far as the legality of a Senate blockade, Only voters can instruct Congress on how to carry about Congressional duties.  A blockade of a particular nominee is perfectly legal, because the Senate says it is.

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And I'm only going to post once in this thread.

It is not remotely mysterious why the GOP Senate has taken a hard line on Scalia's replacement.  People who think it is do not understand the current dynamic between the Republican base and the party leadership.

There is a cancer...a disease...and I believe it to be the work of evil men...and no...I don't think that's hyperbolic.  The conservative pundit and blogger classes have long een on the hunt for attention, ratings, clicks, and emotion.  It is true on the left as well, but we're talking about the right at this moment.  This disease has spread so far and become so virulent that many people in the GOP base who are otherwise perfectly rational, wonderful people, actually believe that there is no substantive difference between someone like Marco Rubio and someone like Barack Obama.  They believe the so-called "establishment" of the party, of which Rubio is miraculously now a member even though his career was built by the tea party and only because he believes in mercy w/r/t immigration policy, does not have any interest in defending conservatism and conservative policy against the left.  They really believe that John McCain threw the election in 2008.  They think that Paul Ryan, once also a darling of the Young Guns coalition that lead reform conservatives back to power in the House, is a RINO.  They believe everyone is a RINO who does not take the hardest line possible on every issue.

Right now, the GOP is desperately trying to avoid nominating Donald Trump for the Presidency, but to do that, they need to rally any possible support to Marco Rubio - who is an enemy of the alternative-right backers of Trump for daring to care about mercy to the poor and the immigrant - and to do that, they need to burnish the Republican brand.  They need to counter the narrative that they are weak and afraid to fight for their beliefs, or, in the minds of the easily fooled and just-plain-"stupid-angry" (that is not to say they are stupid...just...so angry that it makes them make poor decisions), that they don't hold those beliefs at all and only care about themselves.  They are choosing the Supreme Court as their last stand in the hopes that taking a firm line will aid Rubio and other members of the so-called establishment to win difficult elections.

So this...is not a hard thing to understand.  I've been fighting the intellectual battle against the alternative-right and the third-way wingnuts on social media for months now...I've been hammering Trump's supporters over Trump's own ludicrous inconsistencies and bombast.  And I have grown weary.  Nothing gets through.  And I blaim the conservative blogosphere and pundit class for it..they've sold the people a pack of outright lies and propaganda for far...far too long.  But in that battle, I've seen the way they really think.  It is terrifying.

18% of Trump's supporters regret Abraham Lincoln's decision to free the slaves (most citing old arguments that Lincoln overstepped his constitutional bounds and grew government by so acting).

30% of Trump's SC voters wish the south had won the Civil War.

Over 40% of Trump's voters want to call an article V convention of the states to change the Constitution.

The point being...evil men have convinced them that they have no hope of working within the system for change.  Trump is, if Doc will pardon the expression, a middle finger waved at the GOP...their supporters say this line all the time.  He will destroy the party if he is the nominee...and they know it.  And they will do whatever they think they should to defeat him.  Stalling on the Supreme Court is absolutely rational when viewed from this perspective.

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I mostly agree with your argument as to why the Republicans are making their stand on this Justice position.

However, I do question why so many are pointing their fingers at Trump and his supporters and that they are the ones destroying the Republican party. Trump is winning, in most states and in most geographics. Evangelicals, Hispanics, young, old, and yet ALL these people are destroying the Republican party.

The Republican and Democratic pundits are all preaching this rhetoric too, but yet they still can not explain why or how Trump is doing this. Everyone has underestimated Trump so far each and every day for 6+ months now, and by generalizing and making sweeping statements, experts and such try to explain this away as nothing but angry people who do not know what they are doing and such... and all expect this to go away once someone else drops out of the race.

They are all missing something. WE all are. As I started with, I am NOT a Trump supporter... but there is more than just anger here... and it is building.

With that said, it is the REPUBLICAN PARTY's choice to destroy itself over this phenomenon... or embrace it, work with it and find out where this horse is taking us.

 

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Hmmm.  So I lead an article off with a request for friendliness / mutual understanding and this is how you respond, Matt?  By immediately spraying lighter fluid all over the smoking embers of the "wingnuts"?

Siiiiggggghhhhh.  Thanks for the leadership.  :: pinches bridge of nose, re-sets ::

There is a time and a place to denounce 'evil.'  Normally in some time or place where you're not an invited guest, who has been asked to be friendly in your tone and attitude.

So that others don't construe your tone as acceptable on SSI, we'll all take a nice restful Konspiracy Korner time out.  ::: aaaahhhhhh ::  Simple enough?

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1.  Lincoln, btw, argued that it was the Declaration of Independence that, as the founding document of the nation, was the "superior" of the two.

2.  Justices swear to "....defend the Constitution."  But if you or they adopt a philosophy that the document has no real meaning except what we now want to read into it, then what are you really defending?  Those words must mean something, else they have no defense.  Word salads are indefensible. 

I will bail out here, lest I get carried away.  Have to finish grading mid-terms on Amendments 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6, as it happens.  Really.  Essays up the wazzu to finish.....

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Or, at least it should be: a lame duck president in an election year and opposite party Senate as a threat to blockade, with the stakes being a lost term of the court and bad establishment juju with an already restless crowd.

I try not to underestimate the pull of ego in being able to successfully appoint a member for life to the court of last resort and ultimate error. Mr. Obama will be out of power next year, and fate has given him another shot. Will he give that up to make a political point that benefits him not at all?

The Republicans have displayed their plumage early, and why not? They can’t be seen as a push-over. If the President nominates an ideological black-hole/ toss-up, but impeccable jurist, I would not be surprised in the Republicans ultimately consenting, barking and snarling the entire way of course.

Both sides have much at risk, as the outcome of elections, like wars, is uncertain. The Republicans have lots of leverage now. Next year, who knows who will be pulling the levers of power? 

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Multiple people in the press and several democrats keep saying that without a 9th Justice, we will lose a year or term of the court...why?

If I understand properly, the court can still choose to take on cases when it only has 8 Justices... Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have heard people on talk radio say this very same thing. 

IF I am correct, than this court will be in session this year, and in many circumstances, this current court now will vote 5 to 3 versus the 5 to 4 verdicts of the past 7 years. So while it is true that some cases may be avoided due to chances of a 4 to 4 verdict, I fully expect the court to take on cases about marriage, gay rights, abortion and several other topics.

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Talk radio is full of poisonous stupidity. ..I'd steer clear. 

The supreme court has 9 members by random chance and may function with any number of jurists