Eric Wedge - a True Professional
Destined, like Bob Melvin, to laugh his head off at his next stop?

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It Was Time

In 2013, Eric Wedge's bosses have had him on a wait-and-see type of probation.  The same thing was true of Jack Zduriencik.

Zduriencik's one-year extension is nominal, a contract worth little more than that of a ML-minimum rookie, a contract that the club can and will write off at any time.  Zduriencik is still on probation, and under those circumstances he chose to go another year.  Zduriencik has the luxury of not caring whether players like him.

Wedge was also offered a 1-year deal going into 2013.  He judged that such a situation would cut him off at the knees with his players.  

As 2013 has progressed, Wedge's results in the W/L column have been poor.  His relationship with the front office has gotten more and more cordial and distant.  This is natural and appropriate.

Wedge began to feel like he was twisting in the wind.  That wasn't helped by the fact that the ballclub responded very poorly to his return off sick leave.  In retrospect, the "writing on the wall" scenario was inevitable.

There is a subtle "momentum game" that goes on between any manager and his employees.  As long as the manager Looks Like A Winner, then the complainers look like isolated strays and they are the ones to get the ax.  Like Casey Stengel (?) said, "The secret to managing is keeping the 5 guys who hate you, away from the 5 who are undecided."  That's actually quite true.  Wedge, in 2014, wasn't going to be able to do that!

He bailed before it got to that point, and he was wise to do so.

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What is interesting is that the front office treated him with such respect, given the circumstances. It's not often that an MLB manager nicely and politely says, "Well, it looks like it's probably time for me to go."  

Zduriencik and Armstrong responded, nicely, "Well, you might be right.  Looks like that's where we're coming to on this thing."

Wedge is leaving not at his volition, not at Jack Zduriencik's volition, and not at Chuck Armstrong's volition.  He is leaving at the volition of the W/L column.  

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Corporate Hiring Do's and Don'ts

This isn't a debate issue.  I'ts not about whether you like Wedge or don't.  It's a simple textbook case of --- > it's time to give the org to another executive.  By any classic standards you want to set for that, we've hit them.

It's kind of like whichever company made the last run of landline telephones.  You look around, and the factory's dead, and the air is stale, and you and your partner sort of smile and dap knuckles.  "Well, it was cool while it lasted.  Have a good life."  You take a look back, flip the light switch off, and go on to the next thing.

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If your boss's manager does not respect him, you probably don't either.  On the other hand, if your boss's manager stands behind his chair, glaring at you, enforcing your boss's decisions, you shut up and comply.

It's the same at Boeing, Nintendo, and with the Mariners.  It is in Zduriencik's hands to enforce Wedge in the clubhouse.  He's not going to do that.  That point came with Wakamatsu, also.

If you're Zduriencik, you commit to Wedge for 3 more years based on  ... what?  That if Taijuan and K-Pax make the 2014 All-Star team, that Wedge can go along for the ride as well as anybody else?

$1 million/year executives, like Wedge, aren't paid to fail and then "go along for the ride" while their bosses improve things for them.  If you're making $1M per year, you're doing it because you impose prosperity where almost everybody else would fail.

Lou Piniella arrived in Seattle and imposed his will, turning a rinky-dink organization into one that battled for the playoffs.  He imposed prosperity where almost everybody else failed.  Billy Martin used to do that.  Wherever Pat Gillick goes, his organizations start succeeding.

Is that what Wedge did?  No?  Then why pay him a million a year?

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143 Astronauts In the World, Dept.

I respect Eric Wedge.

In some other circumstance, he might very well perform like a $1M executive.  He might win where most others would lose.  That's very possible.  Many good ML managers have hit the right set of conditions, the perfect storm, and led a team to victory.

He was absolutely crucified in the blogs for not knowing what WAR is, but the blogs were wrong about that.  Wedge has been in the computer age at least since the Shapiro era in Cleveland.  

(If you just joined us, Mark Shapiro might have been the original data-GM of his type, evolving Sandy Alderson's leadership role in that.  Of course Shapiro was in Wedge's ear on sabermetrics; Wedge spent 7 years as manager of the leading saber organization in baseball.)

He made one offhand comment about --- > taking the fight to the pitcher, and the media (as the media does) turned one offhand into a mercilessly-demagogued sound byte that was completely unfair and inaccurate.

It's hopelessly naive to imagine that any of the 30 ML managers are anything other than voracious data consumers.  Eric Wedge, like Lou Piniella, knows exactly what his leadoff hitter's OOZ% and SwStr% are -- because if anything is out of alignment in the stats, the team sabermetricians come and tell him about it.  

Carlos Triunfel had a ridiculous 54.7% fishing rate during his cup of coffee here.  You think Wedge, or any manager, doesn't know that?

I don't remember seeing anything weird in the Fangraphs statistics that the Mariners didn't very quickly respond to.  You think, these days, that a pitcher is going to fan 10 men, walk 13 in his first month, and stay on the roster?

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Managers go beyond the statistics and incorporate their knowledge of human variables -- who is hung over that day, whose eyes look scared, who grimaces when they're hitting with runners on base.  "You use the numbers, but other things go in - how a guy is swinging the bat," Lou said.

Some sabermetricians deeply resent this aspect of the game, because they can't lead the discussion on it, because it exposes the fact that they don't have 995 out of 1,000 light bulbs on.  

The fact is, all 30 field managers blend "human element" concerns with data consumption, using INTUITION to project the next Michael Saunders plateau leap.  Whoever manages the Mariners next -- WHOEVER, including Joe Girardi if he gets here -- will use plenty of intuition in deciding between James Paxton and Erasmo Ramirez.

Eric Wedge (an ex-catcher) isn't as different from Bob Melvin (an ex-catcher) as blogs would like to believe, and he is one of VERY few people on the planet who can manage a baseball team effectively.

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Dustin Ackley, and Justin Smoak, and Jesus Montero, and several other hitters, developed VERY badly once they got to Safeco.

Kyle Seager and Brad Miller did not.  Mike Zunino looks fine.  Whose fault is it, that the blue-chippers did not blossom under Eric Wedge?  I don't know.  Maybe you do?  Tell me.

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Next Up, 2014

It says here that the Mariners will NOT have an impossible time finding somebody to accept $1M per season to manage them.  Sure, there are undesirable aspects to the 2014 Mariner job.  There are desirable ones, also.  

Corporate recruiting is about playing up the possibilities, and it is about giving a rich executive what he really wants, that he doesn't have where he is now.  For Joe Girardi, that would probably be non-interference.  And security and admiration and power.  You can guarantee the man 5 years.

These guys get resumes from lawyers and politicians just to intern for them.  If you had any idea, the way Lincoln and Armstrong and Zduriencik get begged for jobs, and by whom.... everybody wants to be part of an ML org.  If you like being a fan, how much would you like being part of the team?

This thought being floated, "Nobody would ever step into such a mess," that's mostly just sour grapes that Armstrong and Zduriencik weren't fired.  The real Fortune 500 world is not so simplistic.

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Joe Girardi his ownself might consider the Mariners, if he is thigh-deep in Yankee baloney.  Sometimes you leave, just to leave.  And if he's given a 5-year deal, his authority coming in, would transcend Zduriencik's.  In some situations, it's the GM who has to get along with the manager, not vice versa.

Perhaps the Mariners will hire a no-name.  If they do, it will be because Lincoln and Armstrong didn't want to lower themselves to recruiting, but insisted on a hire that "appreciates the opportunity."

Some execs don't like to share power, and some execs don't like to ask nicely.  With a Girardi type, you'd have to do both.  With Pat Gillick, they did prove that they were capable.  Let's hope.

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Quarterly Report:  On Time, On Budget, Zero Defects

I know nobody asked me, but if anybody did, I'm 100% in favor of judging rich executives by their results.  Eric Wedge's results weren't there.  It doesn't make him a bad executive.  It makes him an executive looking for his next job.  And that's where he should be, out looking for his next job.

For you and me as Mariner fans, it is an exciting opportunity.  As Bill James pointed out, the next manager in sees all of the weaknesses that were invisible to the guy leaving.

Taijuan and K-Pax and free agent money and a new manager?  I'm psyched up.

My $0.02,

Jeff

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Comments

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Excellent article as always, Doc,
I though I read somewhere that the Mariners axed their entire analytics working group before the 2013 season? I'm not sure that the team currently carries a sabermetrician to pass notes to Wedge about his lead off hitter. But I could be wrong. It sounds like Wedge left when he did because he didn't like what Zduriencik did to expedite the recovery...he went to veteran players and asked Weedge to deploy them rather than staying with the program and letting Wedge push the kids. That is what his final comments sounded like to me.
But either way, he did show grace and wisdom given the difficult situation he faced in 2014 if he stayed. I have nothing but respect for him as a human being...but I am glad the Mariners will have an opportunity to start fresh with new field leadership in 2014.

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There is no guarantee that Eric Wedge gets another Manager offer anytime soon. Maybe, maybe not. The critical question for Wedge was, I think, "Is this team coming out of ST winning?" If he answered that with a yes, then he should assume that he would have no problem commanding the clubhouse and keeping the five whiners away from the 5 neutral guys. Heck, a significant part of this team will know no other MLB manager than Wedge.
But without a good April/May....he knew he was toast.
I don't think he thinks this team can win early. Which means, in his mind, he thinks he deserves another 2-3 years to turn this around....because it's unlikely he can do it next year, in timely fashion.
He made a grown-man decision to go. One a professional would make.
But I wonder if this was preordained. Z may have known, from previous discussions, that he would not take a single year. So by offering him just that he allows Wedge to walk away, head up.
I'm ready for a new guy, really ready. But I've been pretty true to my promise to not take free shots at Wedge.
I wish him luck. I'm convinced we will have a better manager.
moe

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Once it came out that Zduriencik's contract extension was for only one year it appears from Wedge's comments today that he was not up for a return under such circumstances. If he was going to continue, he wanted more security than just a year. I can't imagine him thinking he could get a longer contract than Zduriencik.The fact that he decided to air his dissatisfaction at being left to twist in the wind, and then today air his fundamental disagreement with the direction of the franchise going forward (and, perhaps, this year?), shows how strongly he feels about these things.
I don't think anyone, Doc, suggested the Mariners could not find ANYBODY to accept a job offer as manager. The concern was that they could not attract a candidate as, um, ATTRACTIVE as they could if Jack had a three year extension. To me that seems true on the face of it. The situation is not as attractive (=secure), therefore the job applicants will not be as attractive IF you define attractive as experienced with a track record of success. My guess is under the circumstances the M's will ask an internal candidate (Thompson, Brown, Simmons) to fill the need for a year and decide on how to proceed after that depending on Zduriencik's status.
I find the interchange in the papers today between Jack and Eric to be curious. Clearly there has been a degree of rupture in the relationship, perhaps more philosophical than personal, or perhaps more personal than we might have thought previously.

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... I'd read speculation from the blogs.  But hadn't read anything *sourced* about Zduriencik cleaning house and declaring a moratorium, as it were, on data analysts.  
Like we've said, Chuck Armstrong himself is an avid SABR member, has been for many years.  If you've heard something back channel, let me know ... that would genuinely be cause for sharp criticism, if Zduriencik did that.

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... reading between the lines, it was clear that Wedge felt that young players had been shoved at him too fast.  Good call amigo.
Wedge was a team player about it, but he'd take little swipes now and then, about it being hard to win with so many young players.

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You led the bleacher section that called for a new manager, and the fact is that Wedge didn't accomplish anything in his three years, and now he's gone.
So send me the address to your Mercer Island mansion and I'll have a case of lemynade delivered.  You were on the right side of this one!  :- )

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And there will be SOME people who will pass because of that.
Big Blog's theory has been that NOBODY of professional weight will consider the job.  My expectation would be that SOME people of great standing will consider the job.
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Yep, you can sense the tension in the post-mortem quotes.  Losing creates a natural tension....

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Interesting situation here in Colorado. Nuggets fire Karl over his inability to get into the second round of the playoffs? I think part of that was reality of the fact he didn't do a good job communicating with the kids. Great coach but.....reality. Now they bring in Shaw because he does relate. I hope the M's can get someone that can handle line ups but can win the confidence to give that right back to the little M's.
In addition, I think Karl's health had to take a toll and show an affect from the cancer. Fair or not, I would be hesitant to sign Wedge to several years without a health clause in there. 162 games of travel from the NW after his health has to be a consideration.
I agree Jeff...psyched up!!

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I know nothing more than anyone else regarding the analytics. Just going by what I'd read - after dropping Blengino there was a lot of chatter about the whole department being chopped down. That does not mean the chatter was accurate...don't know for sure.
I'm not sure which Wedge preferred...he seemed to stick up for Ackley when he was demoted and wanted to stick with Smoak...so I had thought he wanted the kids to learn on the job with some veteran support. I don't think he liked the options he had on the roster this year though (the veterans, not the kids).

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It's not just Geoff Baker who's maligning the M's these days. Larry Stone has become equally as strident over the past couple of months. His description of how the M's managerial post must look to prospective candidates, while not doubt one-sided and lacking nuance, does indeed capture the essence of the situation IMO.

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