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And maybe I'm reading too much into this comment:

"Leadership will be an important element to me and energy will be an important element to me. Players need to be energized, to be inspired to do something,"

I read that as him saying the players liked Lloyd...and that he didn't have any problem with his baseball knowledge...but that he simply wasn't electric enough for him as a personality. They certainly do present different personas.

Someone said Lloyd's firing was about Scoscia, not Lloyd.  I think there's something to that.

On topic #1, I have to confess you totally lost me on your 'fallacy' comments.  I'm guessing you laid me low!

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