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If that's what happened with Beltran, then that's a great counter-example, and weighs heavily.
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Agree also that the best way to judge a GM, also, is by the pool of credits and debits. No doubt.
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Where are you, Sandy, on the idea of dealing a #11 overall, a blue-chip SP, and Gillies (and Morrow?!) for Cliff Lee in his walk year?