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...staring at the photos of Liriano throwing from LAST YEAR (yes Taro...that's post-TJ) and the photos or Santana throwing last year...both at the point of release...and while their lower bodies are similarly positioned and they have a similar short-arm delivery and a lot of torque on their arms...they are just NOT in the same release position...Liriano's is a travesty...Santana's is a little too high on the pitching arm side but his arm is cocked upright. Look at the images...line them up side by side...and PROVE to me that they have a similar release. You're not going to be able to do so...because they don't.