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I am probably being foolish by contributing to this discussion, but I like SSI and I like your ideas Thirteen and I see this quickly leading you to leaving the community unnecessarily. So please indulge my intrudence.
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Thirteen I would summarize your comments as, "I said I'm sorry, what more do you want?" When I read what you have written in respond to Jemanji, I perceive irritation on your part. You don't understand why your manners have been called into question, rather than your content. What I perceive is that you want a debate, you want to present desenting positions when you disagree, and you don't want to trouble yourself with the time consuming 'fluff' required for a more gentile or Victorian conversation.
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When I was a kid, I grew up in a household where swearing was not forbidden, not encouraged, but also not forbidden. As a consequence, every once in a while I would let slip a vulgar word in the presence of my grandparents and I can assure you it got real uncomforable real fast. They didn't yell or send me to bed without supper, but their disapproval hurt. If I wanted to enjoy time with my grandparents, I needed to be more cognizant of the language I used. SSI is a stickler on presentation. In fact, SSI is only a stickler on presentation. All ideas about baseball are welcome, no matter how antiquated, or state of the art.

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