I don't get the Bauer criticism, myself. I think the "he doesn't have a curveball" hooey is mostly "he doesn't have one of those big, loopy curveballs". All of his pitches look almost exactly the same coming out of his hand. So yeah, he gives up some depth to his curveball...but the deception is just ruthless.
If they take Lindor, I'll be happy in the knowledge that much smarter folks than me are making the pick...but if it were my pick, I think I would go with Bauer.
The Paxson hip...
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=== Caveats and Quid Pro Quo's Dept. ===
We're going off templates and scouting reports. And a little video, except for Cole, on whom we've seen more than we'd have liked.
SSI doesn't believe that McNamara and Zduriencik would have "vibed" their choice to their own employees, much less to outsiders. In our consulting days, we didn't have any luck reading senior management's poker faces. They'll get down to contract day and then they'll shock you.
Post-draft, SSI is going to be optimistic about this admin's selection. For example, if they pick Cole, we're going to assume that they believe that they can rework his delivery. If they pick Lindor, we're going to assume that the workouts were off-the-charts crazy.
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=== 1 ANTHONY RENDON, 3b, Rice ===
THE KEY IDEA IS: He released his med reports and, even if he didn't have power, he'd be the lowest-risk pick.
We thought for a while that Boras wasn't going to release the reports, and then we had this scenario in mind:
- Somebody drafts Rendon blind
- Boras negotiates the deal and slaps the tragic report on the table
- Team demands discount
- Boras demands record-setting money
- Team refuses
- Boras holds Rendon out, to let his shoulder heal, and score big money in June 2012
I'd have taken Lindor over Rendon in that scenario, if for no other reason than not to roll over for that kind of compost.
But: okay, it's a shoulder muscle, maybe even one that needs to have a tendon reattached. Like we say, if Rendon is going to sign, then I'll take him even without the power.
Would like to hear G-Money's take on the torn muscle/tendon; Dr. D wouldn't think you were talking about long-term power loss. (Hang in there, G - we'll get the posting bugs worked out!)
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WHAT WOULD BE FUN ABOUT THE PICK: The 3rd college high-OBP superstar ... all dovetail-shuffling out perfectly on the infield. Funny thing here? The 1970's Dodgers that drove my Big Red Machine batty, they had a rotation like this one, and offensively they had the 10-year infield around the diamond. Adding a few OF bats was no problem and bam, there's your dynasty.
Rendon, Ackley, and Smoak, with a Juggernaut rotation, that's the basis of a dynasty.
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=== 2 TREVOR BAUER, RHP, UCLA ===
THE KEY IDEA IS: Bauer is a lower than average risk for injury, not a higher than average one.
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You know what? There was a time when AVG, HR, and RBI were the best tools to use when comparing hitters. Then, there was a time when OBP and RC/27 had shown up and people refused to accept them. We remember for a while in the 1980's, Rickey Henderson was considered a mediocre-to-good player...
There was a time when pitch counts (per game) were the best tools for measuring pitcher workload. But pitch counts per game, One Size Fits All, are a much more crude stats tool than were AVG, HR, and RBI.
There is a much better tool for figuring out Trevor Bauer's health: ask Trevor Bauer. Think you can take it from there? Think Ichiro.
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We hear the scouts' objections: his pitch counts, his long toss, his FB and hook won't play in the pro's, his motion is max-effort, yada yada yada.
It is the Tim Lincecum debate all over again (and if there is one subject that SSI is qualified to comment on, we suggest it would be the Tim Linececum debate). Trevor Bauer ANNOYS a lot of people - it is as simple as that. Both as a human being, and as a platypus on the mound, he is hugely irritating. So people find reasons to reject him.
I'm open to the arguments against Bauer. It's my carefully considered opinion that the arguments are shams - rationalizations for rejecting a player that people simply have a lot of distaste for.
Some scout even said that he doesn't have a curve ball. What would you think if scouts were telling you that their main problem with Carlos Peguero was that he was a punch-and-judy hitter? Check 1:45 and 6:15 on the first video on this page.
Hultzen is being talked about for the #1 and the #3. What does Danny Hultzen have that Trevor Bauer does not have ten times as much of? You want a Billy Beane polished college arm with pitchability and a K/BB ratio? Then why in the world would you pass [Danny Hultzen Squared] to get just [Danny Hultzen]?
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WHAT WOULD BE FUN ABOUT THE PICK: (1) I love Japanese pitchers. Tell me this guy isn't DiceK Next Generation.
(2) Oh, and the interviews. I loved Mike Marshall. I love true rebels.
Lady GaGa types "bravely" tell a room full of cheering, like-minded kids that they won't stand for intolerance - that isn't rebellion any more; it's marketing. Now, take the guys who will cheerfully tell their best friends to take a hike - Mick Jagger, Kurt Cobain, Mike Marshall, Ichiro - if they have to sit by themselves alone in a locker room for ten years, if their greatest fans decide to leave, that's just fine by them.
I also enjoy brilliance - the sense of basking in the radiance of a human being far more advanced than you are. At his specialty, of course. The charisma in that case is immense. Have you enjoyed this about Ichiro?
(3) Oh, and seeing if he's going to gain velocity, like he said he would.
(4) Oh, and watching a pitcher throw eight different quality pitches, as in this video. You can see his pitches break in ... I don't know how many directions. And he says he does not throw the two-seam sinking fastball - he throws only rising 4-seamers, angling for strikeouts in every AB.
If Trevor Bauer were drafted by the Mariners, he would probably become immediately my favorite baseball player of all time.
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Comments
If the videos didn't show him throwing Blyleven hooks. :- )
To me...he has a HARD slurve (slider shaped break with hook suddenness and deception) and that's fine.
But I still want Rendon before either of these two...and the Times thinks we're getting Rendon. We shall see.
Help me out here, Doc...find me a reason they went with Hultzen over Bauer. Cause I don't see it. I trust McNamara...but...wow.
This post isn't too bogged down with comments. So here goes . . .
They sure weren't drafting for need. In fact, they almost were determined to draft for redundancy.
Lefty starter? James Paxton, Mauricio Robles + Danny Hultzen
"Gym rat" middle infielder with a good stick? Dustin Ackley, Nick Franklin, Kyle Seager + Brad Miller
Heavy thumper from the right side/no glove? Rich Poythress + Kevin Cron
Big, hard-throwing righty for the pen? Stephen Pryor + Carter Capps
And lots of catchers. Lots of catchers. Redundant with each other (and Steven Baron), I guess.
If they were looking for near-term offensive help at 3b or OF, they didn't find it, unless 7th-rounder Steven Proscia is way better than anyone realized.
And lots of guys from the top-seeded Virginia Cavaliers, of course.
Mixed views on whether he can stick at SS. Apparently he has the tools, but makes too many mistakes. Had lots of errors as a frosh and soph, but cut it down to 12 errors this year.
Apparently more likely to move to 2b than 3b.
Good college bat, had the highest average on Team USA collegiate squad that included George Springer, Jackie Bradley Jr., etc. 15-for-34 with 4 dbl, 1 HR, 6 BB, 7 K in 14 games.
Not a jaw-dropping pick, but about right for that spot.
About 6-5, 245 and with massive power from RH side. Shattered the AZ high school HR record with 27.
Angels drafted his older, but slightly smaller (6-4, 230) brother in the first round. C.J. Cron had massive numbers at Utah: .434/.517/.803 with 42 XBH and 31 BB (vs. 21 K) in 49 games. Well, little bro' broke his HS records by a mile.
Obviously, folks are going for the Prince Fielder comp. Let's start with Poythress (who has been struggling), first, but Prince is not entirely out of the question.
But it will be awhile, and he doesn't have a position other than 1b/DH.
Will be fun to watch if he signs, though.
Catcher converted to the mound. Folks are reminding that J.J. Putz took the same route.
Another big righty: 6-5, 220; out of Division II Mount Olive College, and was a finalist for the "Tino Martinez Award" for the top player in Division II (who knew?).
Throws mid-to-upper-90s and has the somewhat eye-popping K/BB ratio of 129 K/ 18 BB. Went 10-0 as a redshirt frosh and 14-1 this year (and tossed a no-hitter).
Has been a starter, but most assume he will be go to the pen due to weaker secondary pitches.
Just watch the first 25 seconds. It's one swing, but it's a good one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-7IGPr9oqg
That kid...wow. 18? He's a behemoth, and he'll be hitting the ball out of any park he gets into. Bat isn't the fastest, but it doesn't have to be. It's compact and brutal to the ball, with 240 pounds of muscle behind it. That's an Adam Dunn sized ball of mean right there. And he's one of those bigs guys that I think are as fast or faster with wood bats - the aluminum ones are too whippy and seem to be ungainly in the hands of those giants.
We'll see if he can hit, but he can definitely slug. And his brother was drafted 17th by the Angels as a slugger himself.
Cron is the wild-card for getting a massively (and I don't use that word lightly) impactful hitter. Should be fun to see if he can break the Clinton HR record that Franklin just set last year, that's for sure.
~G
Catchers back-to-back: one college, one HS.
Hicks was the 2nd of the UVa trifecta. Like Miller at short, he's got a nice bat for a glove position with a good eye and doubles pop. But not everyone is convinced he's an MLB catcher.
Marlette seems like the better all-around catching prospect, and is famous for hitting a HR with a wood bat at Petco Park, which there may not be that many Mariners that could do right now.
Marlette has a college commitment to Central Florida, but if he signs, there is a lot to like, and a lot of reasons for Steven Baron to watch his back.
HS outfielder, kind of a mystery pick. Put up pretty good numbers and had 12 SB in 27 games.
Best thing is that he played in the same HS area as Taijuan Walker, so presumably the same scouts that saw his potential were the ones scouting Zamarripa.
Part 3 of the UVa trio. 6-2, 215, hits RH.
Finally, a 3b (oh, sorry, Alex Liddi, is that where you play? Cut down that K%, and we'll talk. I suppose if Greg Halman can turn patient, there's hope.)
Anyway, Proscia has nice enough numbers, but nothing that makes you think he'll be the one to show Chone the door. Reportedly OK on defense.
Another big RH pitcher, not to be confused with Carter Capps (and I already have).
6-5, 215, reportedly a raw kid with a big arm that could have upside.
Helped Texas State make an NCAA regional and went 9.0 IP in the opener against Kent State, with 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K before his team went down in extras.
Then he came back on one day rest against Texas and pitched the bottom of the 9th with his team tied (imagine that, if they'd won then Texas State would have elimiated the mighty Longhorns). Unfortunately for the Disney Channel Original Movie scenario, Smith gave up a walk and a hit and the winning run to the big boys. Anyway, you have to like the "Unit-like" desire to come back and pitch in relief to try to save your season.
Another wild-card pick, from a military HS in Germany.
Apparently he's a SS and/or OF or just "athlete."
He reportedly runs a 4.3 40, and he looks pretty good in his youtube video.
Paolini crushed 19 HR with the new bats after getting 26 last year with the old bats, which is impressive for a 2b, even in lower-level northeastern college ball (Siena College). Also showed an impressive eye.
Most folks don't see him continuing at second, though, so we'll have to see how his bat translates to a corner position. Worth watching, anyway.
At the point we drafted him? I'm MORE than okay seeing if he can be a cludgy thumper at 2nd. Uggla's bat would have played in LF too, so that's not a bad fallback position. He's another chip-on-the-shoulder guy since he could only get one scholarship as a hitter (to Siena) after he ripped his shoulder up as a pitcher, which WAS his ticket to college ball. He's a fiery, passionate guy and the role of the underdog fits him well.
He's the MAAC's all-time HR leader, the school record-holder in both average (.380 career) and obviously HRs with 56, and I would expect him to hit the ground in Everett in a few weeks. Now being the MAAC leader in a division that was founded in 1980 with teams like Army and Fordham isn't as impressive as setting the Pac-10 HR record, but I don't need him to be Mark McGwire, either.
Paolini fell in the draft, funnily enough, partly because he didn't do well with wood bats in the Cape Cod league last year. That plus his defensive question marks kicked the player College Baseball Daily called the 53rd best college player down to the 10th round.
He's got steal written all over him...if he can use that mitt at all.
2011 - .346/.440/.664, 10 2B, 0 3B, 19 HRs, 32BB/36K in 211 ABs, 11 errors, .962 fielding %
2010 - .368/.439/.816, 13 2B, 2 3B, 26 HRs, 22BB/27K in 212 ABs, 4 errors, .981 fielding %
Seeing how little his stat line dropped with the new bats is ridiculously impressive. Looking forward to seeing Paolini swing a wood bat for us shortly.
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Based on post-draft enthusiasm.
Kevin Cron. His brother was maybe the best all-around power hitter in college, and he appears to be bigger, stronger and maybe even a better hitter. Major upside. And G likes him enough to interrupt his vacation to send along a youtube vid. Hope they can sign him away from TCU.
Danny Hultzen. The Glavine comp makes sense. Not necessarily a glamour guy, but a guy who can be a huge part of making a good team into a winner.
Tyler Marlette. If he signs, he looks like the complete package at catcher, and the collective Clement/Moore/Johnson faceplant leaves us lacking there.
Brad Miller. Actually has some Ackley-like numbers. 77 hits, 40 walks (vs. 34 K) and 21 SB in 56 games. Top-20 nationally in OBP at .498 (Rendon was 5th; C.J. Cron 7th; Miller 17th). If he can stick at SS, he brings a lot to the table.
Cavan Cohoes. His intriguing youtube has been removed, but, if you saw it, you could see that the kid's a great athlete. Runs a 4.33 40 (reportedly) and clocked at 94 throwing (reportedly) and was one of the best high school tennis players in Europe as a sophomore. Not Bubba Starling, but a very interesting and less expensive alternative.
Hultzen (and Hicks and Proscia) and UVa were expected to face Cole/Bauer and UCLA, but UC-Irvine (the Anteaters!) got in the way. The best-of-3 super-regional is on ESPN-U and espn3.com. I assume Hultzen will pitch Saturday. Usually when the games are on espn3.com they can be replayed on demand at a later time as well.
It's almost as if the M's draft for solid contributors and seek the big upside in Latin America, Haarlem Netherlands, Italy, Korea, etc.
I view it more as looking at floor in their college picks and ceiling in their teenagers. Baron was a ceiling pick, because his floor is "not a major leaguer." Nick Franklin was an upside pick though few realized it at the time. Walker was barely a pitcher when they drafted him. All the international kids are high-upside, million-dollar risks. No safety there.
But the college guys...Jack has shown a preference for bat-first college hitters and trying to keep them at harder positions. He's not taking age-20-something hitters and hoping for upside in their swings - he hopes for it in their defense. Seager at 2B is a great pick, and proving it. Miller staying at SS or even 2B is a good pick if his hit tool is what it might be. Heck, Braun was drafted as a 3B, with the fallback position being LF. With his bat, it didn't matter that he couldn't stick to the harder glove position.
But he doesn't seem to draft college starters with the idea of converting them to closers. He drafts college starters to start, and college relievers to relieve. Capps, Burgoon, Bischoff, Kesler, Pryor... he goes after college arms that are already good at what they're being asked to do.
He can't be waiting 5+ years for upside-college guys to get decent. Occasionally you'll get a James Jones selection from a tiny college where he was more of a pitcher than a hitter, but normally he seems to want the college bats to play stopgap or to prove they can manage a tougher defensive position, for college pitchers to own their role as a #5 starter or bullpen arm, while the teen picks are the fliers taken on greatness.
Unless it's the #2 pick, of course, or a Paxton situation where a first-rounder drops. WE view Hultzen as some sort of reluctance to take an upside risk - which it might be - but I bet Zduriencik views him as the best convergence of potential and the chance to reach it...quickly.
Keep in mind, we have a 2 million dollar hitter in Pimentel, the reigning AZL top prospect, hitting Everett this year and two more million+ dollar teen bats coming into AZ I would think. We have the 800K arm of Shipers, the 300k arm of Taylor, and whatever we paid for the 98 mph Campos all as teenagers arriving in short-season to back up Taijuan Walker, Brandon Maurer and James Paxton as high-quality arms.
We are fielding quite a contingent of teens in a few weeks. I have other teens I would have preferred to the college bats we drafted, but there's a budget and a host of other concerns to take into consideration.
I agree with you that we look in different places for the upside between college and teenage players. I don't think it's a domestic vs. international issue, though. Jack just seems to think that if a player isn't impressing him by 22 then he's not gonna be impressed, and he has plenty of information on that player's growth arc. Teens have an unknown growth arc and Jack is more willing to bet upside on them.
I don't think that's a bad plan at all.
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Some of the catchers are high ceiling guys. IMO, that's the biggest weakness in the organization and they did what I hoped they'd do - grab a bunch of upside gambles and hope one of them sticks.