Lonnie's James Paxton Video - Conclusions

=== CENTERLINE ===

Though Paxton does not use the "stand tall" principle to line himself up, he achieves this anyway.  His CG and head have excellent "trueness" down the CL.

His acceleration is picture-perfect, thanks to the fact that he uses his front hip to move his weight.

Per DrMikeMarshall's "driveline mechanics" paradigm, Paxton scores a perfect 10 out of 10.

Per the aiki paradigm, Paxton's amusing "lead with your butt" acceleration is also off-the-charts effective down the CL.

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=== BALANCE ===

At any point during the delivery, you get the impression that Paxton could pause and hold his position for a couple of seconds.

Well, not literally, of course, but at each point the symmetry of his extremities, around the CG, are model.

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=== BODY CONTROL ===

Paxton has very nice power-to-weight ratio.  For example, he does a deep knee bend and comes out of it with an effortless impression.

Many LHP's are more centrifugal than RHP's and Paxton is Exhibit A.  He is using a sling, rather than tossing a shot put, and at times almost seems to be "along for the ride" as the baseball slings itself around the arc.

To watch James Paxton throw the ball, you would never believe that he was throwing 96 mph.

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=== Health and Command ===

Paxton might get injured, but it won't be because of his pitching mechanics.

In this single bullpen session, Paxton's motion repeated as well as, say, Felix Hernandez' does.

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Why do we like Paxton's mechanics even better than Lincecum's?  Despite having a bit less power -- no trunk turn, and a shorter landing spot -- Paxton's mechanics are more compact, at very desirable points in the motion.

Paxton is, in essence, Lincecum with a cleaner motion.

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=== Dr's R/X ===

If it were SSI's call, which last we checked it is not ....  SSI would advise the Mariners' pitching coaches that they have zero role to play in "improving" James Paxton's mechanics.  

The primary fear that Paxton's agent would have, during his first year in pro baseball, would be that overzealous coaches would try to "put their fingerprints" on Paxton's career.

Coaches might help point it out, if and when Paxton ever got away from the mechanics he showed on Lonnie's video.

Some athletes are naturals.  Nobody ever changed Ken Griffey Jr's swing; he was born with the right one.

James Paxton's pitching stroke is simply a model of LHP mechanics.  Talk to him about setting up hitters, or about how many miles a day to run, or about why he has to carry a pink bag through the airport.  But if you have to talk to him about mechanics, limit it to "attaboy."

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My $0.02,

Dr. D 




Comments

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The kid has a natural ease to his motion that  I love.  Nothing contrived.  I love the Sidd Finch comparison.  Here's Bob Feller in a similar position. (more on that below)

However...I think he does have a slight trigger at the start of his motion.  Before his front leg moves up, I think his hands move DOWN. Most pitchers have an up then down move with the hands...his is just down.  I think it is slight, but there.  It is a very simple move.
The Sidd Finch move is really unusual only in today's baseball world. The long reach and high leg was  a natural move in the "ancient" baseball world.  It was a kid throwing rocks move.  A few guys you may have heard of have used a similar move.
Dizzy Dean
 

Warren Spahn

Juan Marichal

Robert Leroy "Satchel" Paige

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Will dang....Pictures didn't paste in...Drats.
 
But if you do a quick search of "Bob Feller" (etc) photos you'll see of which I speak.  maybe somebody would be nice enough to do so and post the pics.  dI obviously haven't figured that out.
moe

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LOVE it.  And you can see from his college stats how his ability to repeat the motion improved.  He went from 8BB and 5K per nine as a frosh to 4.3 and 7.4 as a soph to 2.3 and 13.2 (!!!) as a junior.
The complaints about him?  Some folks mentioned that they didn't like his arm action and pegged him as a future reliever, but I think they're just following the "27 Points of Professional Pitching" manual.  Lincecum fell with those people too.  His motion looks smooth as buttah, so I don't see the one-inning relief necessity.  Pryor, yes, but not Paxton.
The other questions? He doesn't have a plus third pitch (because 2-pitch lefties who throw in the mid-90s NEVER work out...) and he has some command issues. 
Yeah, he walked 2.3 a game (showing good and much-improved control) and had command issues. "doesn't work the third base side of the plate well," that sort of stuff.
Now remember, he comes from Vancouver.  None of this 12 month baseball season like they have in Florida, and there are better places to learn the game and get the best instruction.  He's raw.  You can see his ridiculously steep learning curve as he starts to "get it."  And then he gets interrupted thanks to Boras and getting fired from college ball, and has to go to the Indy leagues - also not the greatest coaching instruction in the world.
Paxton's arm is terrific.  I'm with you, I hope they don't mess with his motion, just try to get him to repeat it flawlessly.  He was getting better at it, then lost it a bit in Indy ball. 
If he can hit an easy 96 mph throwing that way, with command and control...he's a dream arm.  I believed Paxton would be the best starter in our system the minute he stepped foot in it, and I don't believe any differently now.
The kid's got everything it takes to be a force.  All he needs now are health and time. 
~G

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Taro's picture

Doc, Have you seen Jose Campos?
Here the latest scouting report from JC:
"Jose Campos, formerly known as Vicente -- that's his middle name -- ranked at No. 30 this offseason and hit 99 mph Thursday, also showing one or two power curveballs that got a 'wow' out of catching coordinator Roger Hansen. Campos, 18, is a big, strong kid at 6-foot-4 and just over 200 pounds, and offers tons of projection.
The Venezuelan could be the next big find by International Scouting Director Bob Engle and his scouting staff."
Lonnie had video on him at 0:16 here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr49wUrxuyQ&feature=player_embedded#at=26

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The complaints about him?  Some folks mentioned that they didn't like his arm action and pegged him as a future reliever, but I think they're just following the "27 Points of Professional Pitching" manual.  Lincecum fell with those people too.

How much do you want to bet, that if we draft Gerritt Cole, that he'll throw one bullpen, and then --- > 40% of the M's field employees will press the idea of his becoming a super-closer?
I'm serious.
Same would happen with -ANY- college superstar the M's drafted.  There would immediately begin a movement to see how great he was as a reliever.
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Glad to see you can sign off on the mechanics, G.  :fistbump:  Always comforting to pass the reality check :- )

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Being as Paxton is basically a two-pitch guy, and given his finished mechanics, and given that he's already 'back' to the mid-90's ... what's to stop him from moving as fast as Lincecum, Weaver, and Verlander?
To me, as soon as he can hit both sides of the plate with his FB, he might as well learn to set up hitters (if he has to at all) in the big leagues.  As Lincecum did.

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... is that Paxton didn't bounce a single pitch during the bullpen that I saw him throw.  Granted, this was like his fourth bullpen (I think, it could have been his third), so maybe the majority of the rust has sloughed off by then.  Still though, nearly all of his pitches were in the vicinity of the strikezone!
I have hunch that Paxton may not be spending much time in extended ST and might make a move to HD or Clinton in fairly short order.

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As is Lincecum's, since neither are fighting a pike-plant off a short front foot...
REAL good chance that Paxton blows away high-A, moves on to AA this year and does very well there... after that, who knows...
SSI would not at all rule out his coming to camp in 2012 and pitching for a slot the way Carnage is this year...

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