That is a model of what a case-against should be.
:c-points:
Very few people are happy that Casey Kotchman is the Mariners' First Basemen. The defense is nice, but hardly anyone sees his upside, at 27, as more than a .790ish OPS, and a lot of people not even that. We all know the argument by rote: Kotchman's mediocre power is supressed by a ludicrous percentage of groundballs, which is especially bad since he's too slow to beat out a decent percentage of infield hits. The consistant talk of Wakamatsu leaning toward batting Kotchman third is no doubt blood curdling to most fans. I, however, think it's a great idea, and there's a lot more potential in Casey Kotchman's bat.
The first reason to expect a big improvement from Kotchman are the homeparks penalizing right field homeruns. Angel Stadium wasn't very bad (but below average), but Turner Field was worse, and Fenway is awful to Right. By contrast, Safeco is among the league's easiest parks to homer to right, which makes Casey Kotchman a near perfect fit. Kotchman hits nearly 47% of his balls in play to right, Ken Griffey pulls 49% and gets the shift (these numbers are 30.5% and 34% per Baseball-Reference).
The suppression of Kotchman's earlier home stadiums shows up in his home/away splits, since 2007, he's hit 10 Homers at home and 22 on the road, since 2008 it's 4 at home to 17 on the road.
Moving on to his groundball tendencies, whether you believe he's exeptionally slow or not (he's scouted as having good speed for a firstbaseman, and hits into double plays at a league average rate, AL players GIDP on 6.72% of ground balls, Kotchman is at 6.73%), he is certainly among the slowest players to average over 50% groundballs in play, which is the major part of his game holding him back. There is once again a solid ray of hope though, since 2007, when he plays on the road, his balls in play divide up thusly: 18.1% LD/48.2% GB/33.7% FB/10.2% HR/FB, each rate better than his career averages (and significantly better than what he ran at home obviously). Why the Jekyll & Hyde act? I would guess that playing games, and maybe even in batting practice, Kotchman realizes that his flyballs tend to fall short more often than at other stadiums, and adjusts his swing. In Safeco, he won't feel like he has to make any sort of adjustment.
Another question has been, who can you compare him to so that you might guess what he'll do at age 27 and beyond. Baseball-Reference isn't much help, most of the comps it displays didn't hit a lot of groundballs (or there isn't any data one way or the other), or they didn't have good plate discipline, or they were part time players in their age 27-30 seasons. So I've drifted through Baseball-Reference looking for players that matched up physically, and in balls in play tendency, and in plate patience. I found two.
The first is Sean Casey, who is a good representation of what I believe Kotchman will look like if he gets his overall groundballs down to his road rates. When Casey was healthy, he generally put up good, if inconsistant, numbers, ranging between a .750 and .900 OPS until he flamed out at 33. The major thing he did better than Kotchman was line drives, where he stood at 25%, leading to a .320 career BABiP) compared to Kotchman's 17%, but then Kotchman strikes out less and hits a higher percentage of his balls in air for home runs despite hitting in unfriendly parks.
The second is none other than Joe Mauer. In terms of groundball to flyball ratio, and home run ratio (for their careers, obviously Mauer ran away with it last season), the two are practically identical. Here, the major difference (in terms of batted balls that is, Mauer walks significantly more often) is once again BABiP, where Mauer leads Kotchman by 70 points, but unlike with Sean Casey, the gap can't be easily attributed to line drive gap as Mauer at 20% is better, but not 70 points of BABiP better. Mauer might once have been faster than Kotchman, but after so many years of catching he's probably slower if anything now and last year he put up the best BABiP of his career. Artificial turf...sees him produce a nearly identical BABiP to grass. Maybe Kotchman has been unlucky this whole time, he's running a .433 BABiP in spring training so far and if he carries that into the season, he's golden.
The point is that both those players have put up several .850+ OPS while looking very similar to Casey Kotchman in most of their stats except for BABiP. The line drives are better for both players, but Kotchman has generally had more success with turning balls in air into home runs, plus his BABiP has been unlucky the last two years, at least after he was traded each year (.279 to .252 in '08, .292 to .272 in '09).
Among things that Kotchman does well now, in opportunities for productive outs, Kotchman succeeds in advancing the runner 45% of the time, compared to major league average of 32% (this stat doesn't inlude hits or walks in opportunities), and more interestingly, scores 17% of the baserunners he inherits compared to a major league average of 14%. Other things he has going for him: He's coming to an organization that is emphasizing plate patience, which could lead to a higher walk rate for him, Dr. Elliot may coax more line drives into his swing, and batting third, you can expect his BABiP to improve, as the first basemen covering the bag opens the right side of the infield to him (of course there is the danger of double plays, but with the hitters being the fleet Figgins and Ichiro and Kotchman's 90% contact rate, there will be a lot of hit and runs).
Finally, what do I think you can expect from him this year? If only some of these things break right for him (improved BABiP, easier home park) I think an .800-.850 OPS is well within his reach. But if most of this stuff goes the way I think it will (Better batted ball profile, improved line drive rate, better patience) he could easily top a .900 OPS in the same way that Mauer or Casey have before.
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I appreciate the compliment.
Interesting arguments all around.
His BABIP actually isn't unlucky considering the extremely low 17.6 career LD%, career 12.6 IFFB% and high GB% combined with slow foot speed. I'd have to calculate his xBABIP, but for now hes right around where he should be career-wise (probably even a bit high).
His foot speed is an issue. He has a career speed score of 2.7 vs league average of a little over 5. Hes scored as a -7 run baserunner consistently thoughout his career according to BP. His runs scored percentage at 26% is much lower than the league average of 31%. In terms of runs scored, he scores 72 Runs per 691 PAs vs league average rate of 86 runs scored.
Also, the majority of his career production is actually to left field (career 23% LD rate to left field) so Safeco is more likely to hurt than aid. Safeco doesn't aid HRs to right, its just far easier than on HRs to left and center. Over the past 3 years Safeco has actually depressed HRs from lefties by about 5%. Safeco isn't going to aid Kotchman's career 15.7 LD% or 64.4 GB% to right field.
The impact of a productive out is really, REALLY small. Kotchman creates 7.5 more productive outs over average over 691 PAs which comes out to a whopping 0.33 runs.
Basically the impact of his productive outs altogether aren't even worth a single GIDP (over a regular out) in run value over a full season.
Yeah, that's funny. James said he ran well for the Sox -- but his Shandler speed scores are in the 30's. 100 being average.
On the bases he doesn't accomplish much -- few R per times on 1B, few SB's, presumably few 1B-to-3B's.
But maybe he's beating out a dozen two-bounce GIDP's a year. And certainly he has excellent range on defense. There is no denying Kotchman's rangy defense.
I think the only saving him from grounding into 25-30 double plays a year is the fact that hes lefty. Lefties have a head start out of the batter's box.
I have a copy of it on my computer, they have him at .292 in '07, .285 in '08, and he hit more line drives in '09, the xBABiP calculator doesn't work the same as the tables, I guess it's a bit more limited, I put in his exact '08 stats and it spits out .310. Speed, if anything, is the one thing that can be measured far more easily by scouts than by stats, so the speed score doesn't mean much when people keep saying he's quick for a first baseman. That said, the stolen base rate could just be that he sucks at reading pitchers, the runs scored stat depends extensively on the other players on his team, but Kotchman was still at 30% in '07 and 29% in '08, he's being dragged down by a 20% rate from '09 when he batted 6th, 7th, and 8th most of the time and needed to be batted in by either the eigth batter on the Braves (.692 OPS from that spot last season) or the pitcher, and if he was lucky, the leadoff man. As far as runs scored, he would have got 87 in '07 at the rate he was going and 78 in '08, he was once again held back by his position in the lineup in '09, dragging down his career average.
Ibanez was better at Safeco 3 out of 5 years, Ichiro better 5 out 8(with one draw), and Griffey was certainly better at Safeco last year. The study I'm using is Home Run Park Factor—A New Approach , that says it's easier to hit a home run at right field in Safeco than almost any other ballpark (not accounting for wind that would help, or humidity that would hurt).
I wrote this to you on the other Kotchman article, maybe you missed it there, if you look at Baseball-Reference, Kotchman's a .900 OPS hitter to left OR right field, and .600 to Center. Baseball-Reference I assume is a little more liberal with what counts as Center Field, maybe, but still, my point about being limited by his park stands, it's hard to hit a high OPS when what power you have ends up as deep flyballs, he does pull nearly twice as often as he pushes. Safeco's right field is not supposed to aid his line drives or groundballs, it's supposed to turn his career HR/FB% to right from 25% to 30 or maybe 35%.
And the Productive out bit was a toss in, I'm well aware that those aren't necessarilly that helpful, however, his baserunner scored rate is still well above average despite below (his own) average power when runners are in scoring position. So I think his productive outs score runners more often than most players, that and I think he's got a very manageable ego that lets him aim primarily not to strike out (his career K rate is 8% with runners in scoring position, 9% when they aren't) or hit for much power when he has a chance to score a runner.
if the lefty hitter has the speed to beat out a close play ;) A lefty hitter that pulls the ball to the right side 47% of the time (using fangraphs since it has the wider net that certainly includes 2nd base territory) and hits those balls as grounders 60%+ of the time is giving those ground balls to the easier side of the infield to turn (the reasoning being that a second baseman covering is always going away from the throw, whereas the shortstop covering, who also generally has the better arm, is moving towards it.)
Yeah, but lefties have a head start from the box and Casey isn't hitting those grounders to the right side very hard. You can check the THT article from yesterday (lefties generally have an advantage over righties)
Like I said in the other thread, I think Safeco is unlikely to help his HR/FB%. If anything, its more likely to depress it (Safeco penalized Lefty HRs by 5% the last three seasons), but perhaps the overall effect will be neutral considering the parks hes played. From the standpoint of basehits though, Kotchman will suffer with the majority of his production to left field (hit-wise as opposed to HR wise).
Which calculator are you using btw? They had his '07 xBABIP at .280 over at fangraphs. I really need to double-check that one (too lazy right now), but for a guy whose normally a little under 18 LD% career with an above-average IFFB% and questionable footspeed, .280 is probably about right.
I don't see evidence that Kotchman has been anything either than a poor baserunner. He scores significantly less than average when on base and hes been poor every single season in advancing 1st to 3rd, 2nd to home, etc.
Perhaps hes a bad technical baserunner or very conservative (as opposed to a guy with a total lack of footspeed like Edgar), but regardless hes been conisistently one of the poorest baserunners in all of baseball.
Kotchman so far has had a 953 OPS with runners on 1 and 3rd and a 1.143 OPS with runners on 2nd-3rd. Call me skeptical, but I expect those stats to regress heavily in the future.
Your phrase "I don't see any evidence." Could you pass that around the house in lieu of the conventional "No Evidence Exists", please.
Who are the hitters being regressed? Are they guys that hit homeruns to Center or Left ever? Because Casey Kotchman doesn't really do that.
I got it from the THT article, http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/fantasy/article/simple-xbabip-calculat... I didn't realize fangraphs even had a spot for that and can't find it. And advancing 1st to 3rd or 2nd to home isn't on Kotchman's plate, from the things his stats show and the way he's talked about, he does what the coaches tell him, so that's most likely their misjudgement.
The BABiP on 1/3 is laughable, certainly, but the 2/3rd BABiP I would bet on, as that's a position where coaches almost always bring the infield in, and it becomes so much easier to shoot one through the gaps.
They're all choppers to the right side? Did you watch a lot of Braves games last year, or are you that sure of your memory from 2008? The article actually has Kotchman as being ever so slightly above average at staying out of double plays last year, which he was even by normal observation. Raul Ibanez, Andre Ethier, Brian McCann are all left handed and significantly lower on the list (admittedly in either '07 or '08 Kotchman would have finished around the same place) but there are also right handed speedsters such as Rajai Davis down there, are you telling me that if Rajai Davis spotted Kotchman 5 feet in a 90 foot race that Kotchman would win, but he's still slow even for first basemen??
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You might be right there. Opposing managers play into a groundball hitter's hands when they bring the fielders in. That only happens in very tight games though.
A 1.100+ OPS in that situation is kind of rediculous though. That should regress like by 350 OPS points in the future.
His 1/3 is in the realm of possibility, it was 2/3 that was crazy, so yes, regression is likely. I doubt 350 points though, as that would be regression from a .500 BABiP to a .200 BABiP in a situation that favors Kotchman. I could see it coming down to .900 to .950 though.
Yes, but I wouldn't assume a true talent level that high. I'd assume a true talent level around career average + any extra base hits he gets with the infield drawn in. 770 seems about right.
This was getting too much into semantics. Needless to say, I disagree.
He has 58 career PAs with 1-3rd and 46 PAs with 2-3rd. He has an OPS over 1.050 in those situations so far which accounts for 62 of his career RBI.
We can agree to disagree here. I see those lines regressing much closer to his true talent line in the future.
I had written a post, talking about his BABiP and how you regressed it too hard, then after I posted, looked at it...and laughed at myself for what I was trying to do with the itsy bitsy sample size. I wiped it and changed it to the explanation of why it was there. Didn't mean to cause offense, you're right, we just have to agree to disagree in this case as we've run out of stats.