Chat: 12/6/15 7:18pm
Chat: 12/6/15 7:18pm
Shouts
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<p>JeDi banking on:<br />
Miley performing well<br />
Bullpen performing well without Carson<br />
Elias imploding</p>
<p>M's sacrificed a DOMINANT relief pitcher and club control. I don't love the deal but I can see the justification and I could write a script for how this turns out to have been a better deal for the M's in just one year.</p>
<p>LOL. Will have some stuff up shortly amigos. I see everybody is feeling warm-and-fuzzy about JeDi/Sith ...</p>
<p>The only thing you can say is that Dip has conviction, almost Carroll-#Style. The difference is that it's a little bit harder to get overproduction from players, especially fringe players, in #Baseball.</p>
<p>Aro looks like Smith clone, numbers-wise, and everybody had Elias as a #5. Now we have a decent #3.</p>
<p>Seriously...Dipoto thinks he's a God among #Men for his judg#Ment of players and their character. He thinks he's invented a new moneyball. Either he has...and we're about to get a big lesson...or he is just another GM...and he's awful.</p>
<p>A dumb switch...we don't need groundball guys to succeed...we need dominance</p>
<p>A ground balling lefty for Safeco. That's a switch.</p>
<p>I couldn't agree more, Matt: Elias is essentially Miley's equal right now. He's averaged 170 innings per year over the last two.....and we've held them down intentionally. His WHIP is actually better than Miley's. Elias has a ceiling above where he is now. I would rather have him. And Smith is true stud. This was a bad move. I can't get my hands around it.</p>
<p>DiPoto is staking his tenure on the fact that he knows these players we're getting better than we do. If he does, he'd better be able to IMPROVE them, because if we get the versions they've always been then all these trades are losses. I hate these kinds of deals.</p>
<p>This reminds me of when Beane's right-hand man DePodesta got hired as a GM and crapped the bed instantly because he thought he could trade his way into a WS team.</p>
<p>I like the look of Aro. Low WHIP almost every step up the ladder. Hopefully he'll be able to carry it over to MLB now that he got his feet wet last year.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure Dipoto is a plant. His goal is to destroy us as a favor to the Red Sox or Angels.</p>
<p>Buster Olney<br />
@Buster_ESPN<br />
#Boston getting big-time rave reviews from rival executives on the Carson Smith acquisition.</p>
<p>Another way of saying nobody anywhere thinks this makes sense? Meanwhile, every team in #Baseball suddenly has a first baseman available and are lining up outside DiPoto's hotel suite.</p>
<p>I like Elias MUCH better than Miley...Miley is absolutely pointless to get...Elias is riskier but with much...much higher upside.</p>
<p>Wait.... What am I missing here... Seems like Elias is ALREADY a better option than Miley... And Smith is our Uber 8th inning guy!!! Surely Dipoto knows something I don't...</p>
<p>Truly epic in badness...as in...there is absolutely ZERO justification for this trade. ZE...RO.</p>
<p>#2 on Miley's B-ref similar pitchers = Jarrod Washburn. This really sounds like a Bavasi move. But, I guess we'll see.</p>
<p>this...is a TERRIBLE tgrade. Dipoto is a idiot savant. Un...believable.</p>
<p>Aro's pretty good. Lifetime minor league ERA of 2.84, 8.7 Ks against 2.2 walks. He doesn't have Carson's walks or dominance, and he's a little guy (maybe six feet tall). No way would I trade him for Smith straight up, so Miley cost more than Elias. Quite a bit more.</p>
<p>I'd be OK with Lind if we hadn't just screwed up our bullpen. Is Lind going to be able to drive in enough late&close runs to make up for bullpen failures?</p>
<p>How are we going to replace our best bullpenner from last year? Now signing Benoit is not much better than treading water. But Smith was CHEAP! We thought with Benoit we were heading towards a KC-#Style multi-headed monster bullpen. But we just let that whole direction go "poof" because we had to replace an eminently re-signable Iwakuma.</p>
<p>So Lind is supposedly next?</p>
<p>If so, I'm guessing Seth Smith, Alex #Jackson and Edwin Diaz.</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - okdan - 12/7/15 12:28pm<br><p>Probably in the right ballpark, sadly.</p>
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<p>It can not be possible, can it? So to get Miley's 200 innings of 3.8 FIP ball, we give up 170 innings of Elias at 4.2 FIP and Smith's 70 innings of 2.1 FIP?</p>
<p>I don't even know who Aro is and I don't like it. Elias and Smith are essentially free but we give up their greater number of innings for $27M over 3 years?</p>
<p>Sigh. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. </p>
<p>Do you spell F-L-E-E-C-E with a capital F?</p>
<p>Please, Jerry (JeDi no longer suits you). Have a major move coming. Something that makes us say, "Oh! NOW I get it!" PLEASE??!!</p>
<p>I thought the whole point of keeping the core was to WIN now. All of these moves are adding up to a worse roster.</p>
<p>We still have all the important pieces in Felix, Cano, Seager, Cruz, Walker, Marte. We haven't been to the playoffs in 14 years. Blow it up Dipoto, try something else. No judgement until all the moves have been completed. I love that Dipoto is not shy get down to business and build the team he wants.</p>