Chat: 12/17/15 9:56am
Chat: 12/17/15 9:56am
Shouts
<p>Adding to that -- John Jaso signed to platoon with Michael Morse as the Pirates 1B.</p>
<p>I enjoy waiver claim season because it frequently exposes me to lots of former Mariner names. This time around, we have Andy Wilkins being passed around the league like a cheerleader around the #Football team, Robert the Raspberry (remember him??) heading to a new organization, Edgar Olmos getting claimed again, Tyler Olson...so many guys we once hoped would do something and never really did...</p>
<p>And I would say that it is pretty unlikely we see Paxton moved after all the chatter about JeDi loving the rotation depth.</p>
<p>I think he is done, yes, other than some NRIs and minor league signings for reliever depth. The only thing that might happen is a flip of Paxton for Ozuna and a flip of Seth Smith for a power reliever...but I'm guessing if that was going to happen, we'd be hearing something about it by now.</p>
<p>The sum of the offseason is definitely greater than its parts. Is he done?</p>
<p>I have noticed shouts and shout replies are not posting or if they do it is minutes later resulting in lots of double posts and/or less activity in the shouts... I know I have had several shouts gobbled and didn't take the time to retype them... Did they tweak something recently?? Is a database getting full??</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - DaddyO - 12/22/15 2:33pm<br><p>Same here.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - DaddyO - 12/22/15 2:34pm<br><p>Same here. As you can see, I tried editing my original shout reply to Matt below in case something I had typed was preventing it from posting. After a number of tries I quite, only to see them all show up later!</p>
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<p>I am coming around on the Mariners' off-season moves, even ignoring the late addition of Iwakuma and looking at each move in isolation. Here's what I am seeing:</p>
<p>1) Who would you rather have: Wade Miley at 7 mil per year for 2 years or Mike Leake at 16 mil per year for 5 years (or, say, Yovanni Gallardo for 14 mil for 4 years) and the trade windfall you might get from using Elias elsewhere?</p>
<p>2) Who would you rather have: Adam Lind for 8 million on a one year deal or Mark Trumbo on a one-year deal or Bour as part of the return for Elias? Or Adam LaRoche for like 12 mil?</p>
<p>3) Who would you rather have...Iwakuma for non-guaranteed 3 years and 47.5 Mil or Kenta Maeda for 5 / 80?</p>
<p>Here are the facts...the Mariners, as constructed heading into this off-season had MANY holes. Like it or not, we had to fill those holes on a limited budget. We aren't the Dodgers or Yankees. I would say that JeDi (yep...I went there) was paying a premium from time to time in trade for the privilege of NOT paying an even bigger premium in the open market for the same returns so that he could fill the holes. I would also say he did a remarkable job filling the holes.</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - DaddyO - 12/22/15 1:42pm<br><p>:gasps: Matt gives a Mariners GM a title of highest honor. </p>
<p>:gasps again: Well shut my mouth wide open.</p>
<p>Springtime will give the planet a chance to return to its normal orbit.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - DaddyO - 12/22/15 1:42pm<br><p>:gasps: Matt gives a Mariners GM a title of highest honor. </p>
<p>:gasps again: Well shut my mouth wide open.</p>
<p>Springtime will give the planet a chance to return to its normal orbit.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - DaddyO - 12/22/15 1:43pm<br><p>Gasp!<br />
Matt gives a Mariners GM a title of highest honor. </p>
<p>Gasp again!<br />
Well shut my mouth wide open.</p>
<p>Springtime will give the planet a chance to return to its normal orbit.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - DaddyO - 12/22/15 1:43pm<br><p>Gasp! Matt gives a Mariners GM a title of highest honor. </p>
<p>Gasp again! Well shut my mouth wide open.</p>
<p>Springtime will give the planet a chance to return to its normal orbit.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - DaddyO - 12/22/15 1:44pm<br><p>Gasp! Matt gives a Mariners GM a title of highest honor.<br />
Gasp again! Well shut my mouth wide open.<br />
Springtime will give the planet a chance to return to its normal orbit.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - SABR Matt - 12/22/15 3:32pm<br><p>Haha...I apparently truly stunned DaddyO...he's in an infinite loop!</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - SABR Matt - 12/22/15 3:33pm<br><p>Haha...I apparently truly stunned DaddyO...he's in an infinite loop!</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - MtGrizzly - 12/22/15 6:12pm<br><p>This off season has been fascinating to watch unfold. I was definitely on the "this guy doesn't know what he's doing" bandwagon for a while but it's tough to argue that the off season as a whole has been a success. I hated losing Smith and Wilhelmsen but I get it. The rotation and lineup are deeper than they were last year and the bullpen is seemingly a crap shoot anyway.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - DaddyO - 12/22/15 7:05pm<br><p>Now it becomes clear. Yours truly is only a mythical creature, a bot run amok.</p>
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<p>I could see Wilson someday coming up in arguments as to who is the best of the 2010s alongside the aging stars from ths 2000s and up-and-comers like Cam Newton</p>
<p>I was watching a show on Joe #Montana and was surprised how much he and Russell resembled one another. Same type of throwing motion, mobility in the pocket and fairly good accuracy. It dawned on me, while watching clips of #Montana, how easy it was to project Wilson as the QB in the clios. jokestar</p>
<p>Yup, McNabb was definitely great for a while, only knock on him was not winning in the Playoffs... of course you can say the same about a LOT of QB's... only one winner every year... </p>
<p>Cam Newton is proving himself pretty "Elite" these days as well... </p>
<p>Daunte Culpepper went to a couple of Pro Bowls IIRC. Steve McNair also went to the Pro Bowl a couple of times... even had a MVP one year right? Yeah I think I would consider Culpepper and McNair as elite.</p>
<p>Mike Vick was definitely top 10 in the league for a while until the #Dog fighting fiasco. </p>
<p>Depending on your definition of Elite... Kordell Stewart was pretty good for a couple of years and had a cool nickname (Slash)...</p>
<p>So that is at least six candidates that aren't Moon or Wilson that could be considered Elite (ok probably not Kordell)</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - anonymous - 12/22/15 3:29pm<br><p>Hmmm...I don't see many of these QBs as elite. Capable, good. But I think "elite-ness" eludes them.</p>
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<p>Donovan McNabb</p>
<p>It's really amazing how Wilson took the league by storm. All he has done from day one is win, win, win. He's an amazing athlete- fast, smart, tough, and it all adds up to wins. Refresh my memory, but will he be the first African American "elite" quarterback? Maybe since #Warren Moon, who he reminds me of (I was a fellow student UW student and remember how he likewise led the Huskies to an unexpected and fully gratifying Rose Bowl with his talent, leadership, cool demeanor and ability to win.</p>
<p>Coupla-three posts up in the next couple hours. Fair warning Dept.</p>
<p>Great game by Michael, but I don't see anything different in his game. He's still an explosive talent that leaves the ball vulnerable when he runs. That'll do til Lynch gets healthy, but I don't see it working in the playoffs.</p>
<p>10 hours moving stuff from old apartment to new apartment on Saturday, 6 hours of sleep...19 hours spent moving stuff on Sunday...2 hours sleep...5 more hours moving stuff and reorganizing some things at new place today. EVERYTHING. HURTS. And I'm still giddy about swiping Iwakuma even uner those conditions.</p>
<p>We talk a lot here about young Mariners who don't learn the necessary lessons, get traded, and excel elsewhere as the experience forces them to now be prepared to work and learn. So it's real gratifying to see the Seahawks get Christine Michael back after wandering in the practice squad deserts and providing an rushing game for a depleted team in that area. Hope he's ready to fulfill the tremendous promise the coaches saw in him.</p>
<p>I would love to see a 6 man rotation where instead of throwing a bullpen between starts, they get an inning of relief pitching between starts. Would allow for the 6 man rotation and even a chance to poach a few wins here and there as a middle reliever.</p>
<p>I know "wins don't matter for a pitcher", but I think it would be a fun experiment. Why have them throw for free in the bullpen? If a guy needs to work on something in the bullpen rather than just getting some work in, by all means, have him throw in the bullpen.</p>
<p>Shannon Drayer had mentioned interest in Antonio Bastardo for the pen earlier in the off-season - a nice LH complement to Benoit if Furbush isn't fully ready. I suppose with the budget already exceeded that isn't in the cards now, but boy, would that make for a shutdown pen if Benoit, Bastrdo, Zych, and Scribner backed up a revitalized Cishek. Bastardo is apparently looking for 3/$18M (i.e., what Sipp got).</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I expect #Montgomery would go if they did sign Bastardo, but might stay in the pen otherwise, and I still think Steve Pearce instead of Montero as a RH bench bat/1B is a better idea since he can cover so many positions, while Montero is limited to 1B/DH.</p>
<p>But it's still not yet Christmas and we're talking bench bats and bullpen depth. While I would like to see 1 more really good OF, whether a Piscotty or Naquin (or Ozuna, if #Miami would work with the Ms on a 3-way), or at least 1 more almost-ready guy like Powell (although Robertson may yet clear waivers), I am amazed that DiPoto has done such a job so far.</p>
<p>The club just went from having it's sixth best starter being #Montgomery to it's sixth best starter being Karns or Paxton. That's worth quite a bit, especially with Paxton and Kuma on the roster. The risk is real that one or both of them will miss chunks of time time during the season. I like the depth.</p>
<p>SP's may gain even MORE value than now by the end of spring training.</p>
<p>Grandpa DaddyO says, let's see if spring training sorts things out before we go trading one of the six SP's.</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - Jazzman - 12/19/15 1:01pm<br><p>Grandpa Jazzman says congrats on the new little one. Enjoy the ride - they are a blast.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - DaddyO - 12/20/15 10:09am<br><p>Thank you, Jazzman. Has been a LONG but WONDERFUL weekend, capped by a midnight Saturday birth and some good time yesterday with our first grandchild.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - okdan - 12/21/15 9:21am<br><p>Congrats, DaddyO! I hope everyone is healthy and happy.</p>
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<p>I think the interesting thing will be, if all are healthy, whether Paxton or Karns starts in the bullpen, on opening day. I can't imagine one of them opening the season in Tacoma. I'm betting it's Karns, assuming Paxton is whole again. On the other hand.....St. Louis needs pitching, in case you missed it. Piscotty is interesting. Well, really interesting. If you offered Monty AND Montero, would they take it? Maybe not. But if you offered Karns and Montero for Piscotty and RP Siegrist they just might think about it. Hmmmmmm........ Should add that sans Heyward St. Louie is less likely to swap an OF'er.</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - bpj23 - 12/20/15 10:08am<br><p>I think a trade of Montgomery is almost a certainty with no options remaining. </p>
<p>They'll ship him off to excel somewhere else for a younger player with an option remaining like they did with Erasmo for Montgomery.</p>
<p>I don't think Montero has any shot of being traded to an NL team, personally.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - bpj23 - 12/20/15 10:08am<br><p>I think a trade of Montgomery is almost a certainty with no options remaining. </p>
<p>They'll ship him off to excel somewhere else for a younger player with an option remaining like they did with Erasmo for Montgomery.</p>
<p>I don't think Montero has any shot of being traded to an NL team, personally.</p>
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<p>Yeah, I'm down with #Montgomery in the bullpen. If he, Nuno and Bass are all in the pen then it's likely that your #7, 8 and 9 starters are all in the pen. Would that allow them to carry a five-man bench? 'Cause a five man bench is about the only way I see Montero making this squad.</p>
<p>There was talk of keeping #Montgomery as a reliever.</p>
<p>M's DFA'ed Dan Robertson to make room for WBC-san. With Andy Wilkins, that makes two roto-#Style adds and drops this winter :- ) if you don't count Hultzen. Mystified though what they do with #Montgomery, who's out of options.</p>
<p>DiPoto said, when they heard about the Iwakuma holdup, it was "less than 5 minutes" to get consensus. Very, very impressive. ""Sometimes you have to get lucky and you have to have an ownership group that is as giving as this one seems to be," Dipoto said. "From Howard to Kevin to our ownership group, Nintendo of America, it truly took less than five minutes to get everybody on board with this one. It was very easy to communicate, and there was never anything but an 'Absolutely, let's go for it.'"</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - MtGrizzly - 12/19/15 6:27am<br><p>LOL. I like to read that as if he caught Lincoln after a few drinks at the holiday party.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - MtGrizzly - 12/19/15 6:28am<br><p>LOL. I like to read that as if he caught Lincoln after a few drinks at the holiday party.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - DaddyO - 12/19/15 6:48am<br><p>If in fact this possible scenario had not already been worked out prior to the public becoming aware of it, then I must give credit where credit is due to M's upper management for their quick approval.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - DaddyO - 12/19/15 6:48am<br><p>If in fact this possible scenario had not already been worked out prior to the public becoming aware of it, then I must give credit where credit is due to M's upper management for their quick approval.</p>
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