<p>You're right, bpj - but the Ms have to make sure they're getting THAT Hanley, and not an out-of-shape malcontent. My vote would be, if the Ms are going to do it, do it fast and now, so Acta &amp; Co. can get to work ensuring we've got a guy that will help.<br />
If Dombrowski really wants to be shot of him, though, I'd really like to see the Ms lever that into solving multiple problems as well. Maybe the guys going out need to be changed, but getting Hanley at a reasonable price while also getting other guys who can help might make the whole process worthwhile. And it seems to me leading off by including Trumbo in the swap and getting a high OBP, high character 1B prospect back is a start. And, of course, I still would like to see Ozuna in blue-and-teal!</p>

<p>Bp. Not a terrible trade idea, but those that are wary aren't going to be persuaded by Hanley's career numbers where the majority of that was accumulated from 2006-2010. The last few years speak more about what the player is now, and signs suggest he's no longer committed or able to play at his previous star levels. It's not clear what he is now, but he's probably not worth $10 mil plus good players. There are probably safer ways to make the upgrade. -didycel</p>

<p>(well...we traded for him...but close enough)</p>

<p>If I were to do a splash trade, it would be for a front-end pitcher, rather than an aging, slow, un-athletic slugger coming off more injuries and with a bad record of inconsistency. But I don't think the Mariners are in the greatest place for making deals...anything we trade will be guys we kind of need...and then we're just trying to plug more holes. We don't have much surplus.</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - bpj23 - 11/30/15 3:05pm<br><p>I believe there is plenty of room in the budget for two ~$15mil players.</p>
<p>It should be a given that they'll go after a #2SP.</p>
<p>The question is if the best use of the remaining money should go towards a guy like Hanley or to a #3SP?</p>
<p>For my money, I'm letting Karns/Paxton/Walker/Elias battle for the 3-5 spots.</p>
<p>At this point I think Elias may be an overpay, but I think Jesus Montero+Mike Montgomery looks ok to the Red Sox if they're really wanting to dump Hanley and they're both out of options and not likely making the 25 man roster anyways..</p>
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<p>I'm interested in your trade ideas Matt?</p>

<p>Roenis Elias is worth considerably more to the Mariners than Hanley Ramirez. That entire deal is thus completely uninteresting to me.</p>

<p>Meanwhile, James Clifford does the Montero-magic conditioning program with Hanley to get him ready for ST.</p>

<p>Since he's owed $68M, and Trumbo is owed ~$9M, that should then be ~$30M coming the M's way. Manny Acta gets Hanley as a "project" to get him back to WBC-standard, using Cano and Cruz as wingmen. Hanley plays 1B and DH on an amplified/extended version of the Ozuna/Martin/Cruz rotation we've discussed, while Travis gets ready in Tacoma to take over when needed.</p>

<p>You can't call a player a "buy low" guy if he costs 15 million a year and is known to be a clubhouse cancer and terribly inconsistent. Seriously...look at his year to year fluctuations, his careless defensive play, his #History of dogging it on the field, his #History of making enemies in front offices, his total lack of interest in staying fit...</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - anonymous - 11/30/15 12:00pm<br><p>Disagree. I think anybody that could provide surplus value over their contract is a buy-low candidate. </p>
<p>If that's not how you'd define it, that's fine. I just don't buy it.</p>
<p>The dollars involved make it not cheap. It would be a gamble. So would giving 4 years $60 million to Zobrist.. Or Cruz...</p>
<p>Cruz was a risk. A potential albatross. It's worked out ok so far... Ramirez is, what, 4 years younger? Cruz has an .843 career OPS... Ramirez, .861...</p>
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<p>Kendrys Morales only got a couple years, but he also only has a .795 career OPS to Ramirez's .861.</p>
<p>There's a #Whale of a difference between Kendrys and Hanley talent-wise.</p>
<p>8 career WAR for Kendrys compared to 38 for Hanley.</p>

<p>My guess is that Felix doesn't feel anywhere near enough pain to want to stop pitching, and the Mariners respected his wishes.</p>

<p>bp, Manny R. ran 155 0PS+ numbers out there like clockwork. He hit .300+ like clockwork OBP was .400+, like clockwork. Go back to 2009 and you find a Hanley R. that was close to that player for a full season. He's $90M of 1B headache...or DH.</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - bpj23 - 11/30/15 9:42am<br><p>They can move Cruz to 1B if they want. Doesn't mean there's not still room at DH for Hanley. </p>
<p>Personally, I think the idea of moving Cruz to 1B when he hasn't played infield is a much worse option than Hanley at 1B, but to each his own.</p>
</div><div class="indented">Reply - bpj23 - 11/30/15 9:46am<br><p>Also, $90M??</p>
<p>On the high end, the M's would be into Hanley at 3/$45...</p>
<p>Good luck signing any free agent who is 31 years old with a career .861 OPS to even DH for that.</p>
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<p>The other problem with acquiring Ramirez is that you're basically stuck with him at 1B or DH and that makes it more difficult to move Cano off of 2B for a defensive upgrade in the next few years. Something the Mariners have said that they want to do eventually.</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - bpj23 - 11/30/15 9:37am<br><p>Yes, that's exactly why I would acquire him. </p>
<p>But, as we concluded here not all that long ago (when I suggested the best move would be Cano to 1B), they're not going to do it now and probably not in the next couple of years.</p>
<p>Having Hanley on the roster gives the M's three years before they move Cano. I think that window is right.</p>
<p>Otherwise, Trumbo leaves after 2016, they'll have a gaping hole and their hand may be forced at that time to move Cano</p>
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