Sitting "In Between"

Q.  What if a guy like Luke French develops a plus changeup?  Does that change the equation?

A.  It doesn't, no. 

For a guy throwing 86 with a plus curve, a 79 change doesn't really mean that much. It tends to play (for this template of pitcher) like a hung curveball. Not totally, but to some extent.

You saw this in April with Ryan Rowland-Smith.  RRS *did* have a nice hook, and an 85 fastball, and he *did* throw a pretty decent 78 change.  The result was strawberry jelly on the pitcher's mound.

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Jamie Moyer had a great hook, and a VICIOUS change (maybe THE best in ML baseball) and even he needed super-precise location at 87 to succeed.  Without location, even the 1996-2001 Moyer would have scuffled to stay in a rotation.

Moyer's fastball was a "55", solid to plus, fastball when you combine velo with location.

Even! Then!, Moyer said that he only succeeded because of ML hitters' macho in never wanting a FB thrown by them.

Bernie Williams was a non-macho player who tormented Moyer by looking offspeed first, reacting FB, and hit like .500 against Moyer.

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Q.  What's this thing, "In Between"?

A.  There is a point, with a fastball that commands no respect ... at which hitters just SIT IN BETWEEN.

They keep the hands back as if guessing offspeed, read the pitch whatever it is, and hammer it.

When the hitter can guess CB, react FB, and turn on the FB, you are in huuuuuuuuuge trouble my friend.

It says here that hitters will do this to French on a game-in, game-out basis, but we'll see.

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Q.  So why is Luke French in the big leagues, whereas some other AA pitcher is not?

A.  Well...

Where Luke French DOES stand apart from a billion double-A lefties is here:  French throws a curve ball so good, that hitters can guess curve ball, get curve ball, and still not do much with it.   THAT is the 12" wooden shield that keeps French alive where some other AA pitcher would get immolated by the dragon.

Don't get carried away:  *nobody* throws a curve ball more than 30%, 40% of the time.  But the more French throws it, the more I allow :- ) for him to get by as a #4-5 SP.

I worry that ML insiders are so hypnotized by the beauty of French's curve ball, that they're overlooking what we're noting here.  Naaaahhhhhh...

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Q.  Do you allow for his FB being not as bad as y'think?

A.  Give him two games to change my mind.  How's that fer square :- )

You have to deep-sea dive quite a ways down the velocity list, like 95% down it, to get to French, and then there are a lot of names around his that won't be in the majors long.

The run value on his FB is terrible.

The eye tells you that he ain't going to make hitters respect his FB.

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But for all that, you know what?  A better man than me -- the guy who traded Jarrod Washburn for him -- thinks that French can pitch in the majors.  So my working assumption is that there's some light bulb here that we don't have turned on.  Good location?  Or potentially good location?  Or what?

Here is a neat little article that spells out how a slow FB might become effectively average.  Not sure these brownie points apply to Luke French, but if we're missing something, this is where it's bein' missed.

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Q.  Finish on a little more upbeat note, can'cha?

A.  No problemo.  Maurico Robles.  Money guarantees us that he's a 20-year-old Erik Bedard.  >:-}

Give y'the last word,

Dr D

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Taro's picture

Sitting in between is the breaking point I'd agree.. thats why guys with minus-fastballs are so dependent on their breaking stuff/deception.
You throwing quality breaking stuff enough that guys can sit on it and still not hit it on occasion, then guys 'can't sit in-between on you. The fastball serves almost as a breaking ball for pitchers like Jorge Campillo who slow your bat down. I think French needs to pitch 'more' like that, although not as extreme as a guy like Campillo since he has a tad more zip.
I'd call French's upside sort of like a lefty Sonnantine with a tad less command, more Ks (before Sonnanstine lost his breaking stuff). J.P. Howell is also a similar 'type' pitcher and might be French's upside in the pen.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8245&position=P
Howell throws even slower than French and is the best reliever in the game.
I'm not saying French is going to reach that SP upside, he could easily wash-out if he doesn't do respectable enough against RHPS. I just don't like how hes been so easily written off as an Olson-type pitcher and had his fastball compared to the likes of Halama and Moyer (who throw 4mph less than him). Theres no reason to 'hope' he can be a Halama type.. The guy may not have Halama's command, but he has a higher ceiling.
I think French has #3-4 SP upside and would be a great fit for Safeco. I think his absolute downside is a dominant loogy.

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If French can show good location, that's a fair pitcher to compare him to, if you're bullish on French.  Good stuff.
Am guessing Capt Jack would be right there with you on that pairing.

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Taro's picture

Thanks Doc... I didn't mean to get so argumental in the other thread, I just think theres an upside scenario here that isn't being considered. Sure he could phase out as a starter as well, but I like him better than most.
French probably isn't going to have command as sharp as Sonnanstine (few do), but he has slightly better stuff considering the left-handedness and slider. His command is still above-average though if you go by the stats (good strike%, low HR rate). Sonnansine solved his problem against LHBs with a cutter, we'll see what French can come up with vs RHBs.

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I don't believe I've ever seen you "argumentative."  You don't enjoy arguing for the sake of battle.
Sometimes you do hold your ground, and that persistently.  Always for the sake of the ideas.
The Taro-nator is part of the fabric of MC/DOV :- ) and fortunately so...

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Is a dream pairing for French fans.  :- )  Nice to know that at least it CAN be done with that toolbox.   
As always, the Jamie Moyer caveat applies.  Moyer doesn't imply that every 86 mph lefty has a chance to star.
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I absolutely love the fact that Howell comes into a game and throws Does Howell have plus-plus command of that FB, though?

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