Bill James on Allen Craig
No doubt headed down I-5 with his stepfather

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Hi. You fielded a question one or two days ago, about Allen Craig. I don't really have the chops to formally determine whether or not one player's career statistically nearly mirrors that of another, but I hope this comparison is at least nearly apropos. I recall when I was a kid, Red Sox first baseman George Scott had about the worst seasonal numbers one year that anybody could imagine a player having. He'd had some success before that date. He later experienced further success.
 
Since your questioner was looking at a player, Craig, who had exactly one stunningly bad year, I wonder whether the comparison might be apt. And perhaps a cause for hope in the possibility Craig may recover his career.
Asked by: articmike
Answered: 11/20/2014
George Scott was 24 years old when he had his terrible season; Craig last year was 29. That's certainly a difference.
I'm quite sure I could find a dozen players who had terrible off seasons at age 29, then recovered and had good careers after that. . ..well, [hey], I suppose I can do that much. Jermaine Dye, after driving in 100 runs in 1999, 2000 and 2001, was George-Scott-level terrible in 2003, aged 29, hitting .172 in 65 games. He would hit 20 homers the next six seasons, including 44 homers and 138 RBI in 2006, aged 32.
Darrell Evans hit 41 homers, drove in 104 runs in 1973, drew 124 walks that year, 126 the next, 106 in 1975. In 1976, aged 29, he hit .205 in 136 games, 471 plate appearances--.641 OPS. He would hit 286 home runs after that season, including 40 home runs at age 38.
Fred Lynn, after winning the MVP Award in 1975 and hitting .333 with 39 homers, 122 RBI in 1979, aged 27, hit .219 with 5 homers in 76 games at age 29. He hit 20 homers in each of the next seven seasons.  [plenty of Fenway players on here - Dr D]
Victor Martinez, a great hitter from 2004 to 2007, hit only 2 homers in 266 at bats in 2008, aged 29, his OPS slumping to .701. I’ve heard he was doing OK in recent seasons.
Tony Phillips in 1988, aged 29, hit .203 79 games, 212 at bats. He would have just short of 1500 hits in the major leagues after that season. Pete Runnels, after hitting .310 in 1956, hit just .230 in 1957, aged 29. Over the next five seasons he hit .322, .314, .320, .317 and .326.
Willie Horton, who drove in 100 runs in 1965 and 1966, had an OPS of .855 in 1970, .845 in 1971. In 1972, aged 29, he hit .231 with a .681 OPS. He would drive in 92 runs three years later, and 106 runs seven years later.
Travis Jackson, a Hall of Famer (although not actually THAT good), hit .246 with no homers as a part-time player at age 29, 12 RBI on the season. He drove in 101 runs at age 30, and hit .301 (as a regular) at age 31.
Ethan Allen, inventor of the table top baseball game with the spinners and baseball coach at Yale, was a regular and .300 hitter 1925-1929. He was absolutely terrible in 1932 and 1933, ages 29 and 30, then was a regular and hit .330 in 1934, and had 198 hits in 1935.
Deron Johnson, who hit 32 homers and led the majors in RBI in 1965 (130 RBI), hit .208 with 33 RBI in 137 games in 1968, aged 29. He recovered somewhat in 1969, then hit 27 homers, drove in 93 runs in 1970 (aged 31), then hit 34 homers, drove in 95 runs in 1971 (aged 32).
There are many, many similar examples; I could give you a dozen more at age 29, and of course equal numbers at ages 28 and 30. It is not uncommon for a player who has a terrible season at age 29 to recover and have many good seasons after that.

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James is giving detail, which is his wont.  For my purposes, I'd be just as glad to hear him say "Oh yeah, you see this happen all the time, a good hitter have a terrible off year and then just get right back to it.

This basic "template problem" for Craig cuts across several issues:

  • Are we real solid about the player's hitting skills before the bad season?
  • Do we have some handle on what happened that year, to cause a bad season?
  • Are we confident about betting on him before he bounces back?

The Red Sox already made several of their statements about Allen Craig, when they traded for him during a downslide.  Now, if they're going to trade him, they've got little choice but to Sell Low.

Bill James' (implicit) judgment, implied above with respect to Allen Craig, represents (to me) the best current argument you could make that Craig has good years ahead of him.  And I don't think that James would use "Hey Bill" as a misdirection opportunity on behalf of the Red Sox.

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Allen Craig is not unlike Kendrys Morales, a .300 hitter with walks and gap power, except that he favors his right side.  His career comps had a surprisingly strong performance from ages 30-36 as a group.  Among his best career comps are Hal McRae, Moises Alou and Jeff Conine.  As the 2nd man in, as a value add, I'd fancy him a bit.

Or not,

Dr D

 

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I've laid off mentioning Craig this week because I felt I had made my point (about his likely going-forward value) as well as I was able.  Imagine, Bill James making that point way better than me.  Will wonders never cease?  :)
He is truly the master.
Gimme some of that Deron Johnson/Willie Horton/Darrell Evans stuff.
Craig is still my favorite get.  He remains pretty cheap, he's going to hit and there's a deal to be had.
Off to mow my lawn before the next monsoon sets in.
Moe
 
 

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And if we ever get a Saturday morning, it's a stroke a hole.
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I saw youse' guys remarks that Craig has a "slider-speed bat," which is not off-putting to Dr. D necessarily, but didn't see what the Think Tank has for us, re: Craig's off year in 2014.  Gordon did that to perfection in Hanley's case.

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If we get Craig it's a deal.  A $2 Nassau, beverage of choice at the turn is on me.
A perfect day would be capped off with Craig hitting a 3 run, bottom of the 9th dinger to win.

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The same to you and your family! I have one of my sons (the pitcher) back for Thanksgiving so assume you are enjoying having your daughter home as well?
I keep meaning to write and say hi so thanks! Much appreciated!
I hope you are doing great...and Jeff, hope that you are feeling better!!!!

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