Michael Pineda: Dr's Prognosis

Part 2

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Q.  So what's Pineda's future?

A.  Well, if the reports on Pineda are anywhere near accurate, he is one of the five or 10 best pitching prospects in all of organized baseball.

Let everybody else take a year or two to come up to speed on him, and to get comfortable thinking of him as a superstar.  At SSI we call things by their right names.  Pineda's a monster Grade A+ prospect, one of the 10 best pitching prospects in baseball, health questions notwithstanding.

Pineda was a blue-chip, Grade A prospect back when he threw 92-96.  Now, he has apparently put on a bunch of weight and throws upper 90's.  That's pretty much like going from Don Sutton to Bob Gibson.

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Q.  Yeah, but his career arc?

A.  Again the caveat:  if the reports are even close to accurate, he'll go to AA and incinerate the batters there.  Learning absolutely zero as he does it.

Presumably, if his elbow is holding up -- guess here is that it probably will -- the ongoing joke in West Tenn will be cut short around June, and we'll get to enjoy his performances in Cheney for the second half.

But, the M's did call up Lowe straight from AA when he was, quote, "throwing the stuffing out of the ball."  If Pineda's feeling good, I suppose that's not impossible for him too.

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SSI will consider this entire Pineda season a bit of a charade, as Strasburg's tour of the minors will be a lot of a charade.

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Q.  Oh, c'mon.  Pineda can work on stuff in the minors.

A.  As he could in the majors, like RRS is working on his cutter, Kelley on his change, Vargas on staying away from his curve, etc.

How's he going to work on location?  He's already got better location than any Mariner pitcher other than the two Cy Young guys.

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Q.  How do you tell whether he's a starter or pitcher?

A.  I had to find my own tendinitis limits by trial-and-error.  There was no other way.  Biofeedback.

You throw 80 pitches* and you need three advil?  Fine. You throw 110 pitches and your arm still hurts three days later?  That's too much (although a lot of ML pitchers do precisely this -- and go into their next starts still hurting from the last one).

You figure out your own limitations by the pain after the game (and there will be transitory pain, every game, for a guy with tendinitis).

There isn't a thing in the world to do but to pitch Pineda, keep an eye on what bothers his elbow and what doesn't.

Last year, he threw a nice string of 8 starts and, at age 20, pushed way past his limitations, since he had to be shut down for the year.  The year before, he started 20 games and was fine.

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Q.  Exec Sum?

A.  Having shared something that sounds a lot like Pineda's elbow syndrome, Dr. D can say that the elbow thing doesn't scare him nearly as much as it does most amigos.

Most young pitchers get hurt.  The rest of them pitch in pain.  It will be fascinating to see how Pineda does in 2010.  If he does shut down early again, sure, maybe he's made of paper and will have to be a closer.  If Pineda handles 20+ starts, all's well by SSI.

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Pineda right now is getting credit for being an exciting prospect.  Nada.  He's one of the 10 best pitching prospects in the game.

Cheers,

Dr D





Comments

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But I do believe I was one of the first aroud here last year to be putting Pineda in my top 4 org prospects. LOL
I look forward to watching Pineda detonate AA/AAA and get a September call-up. :)

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Honestly, given my (insular) feeling that the bullpen isn't nearly as strong as many others believe -- if Pineda does blow up AA -- I think he could be in Seattle by June.

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I took a look at Pineda's numbers from last year at High Desert and saw a few rather eye-opening things.
1 - Pineda struckout 37 and walked 4 in 29.2 IP AT HOME.  He K'ed 21 and walked 3 on the road. 
2 - Pineda's BAA was .172 and his BAbip was .250 AT HOME.  On the road, his BAA ballooned to .282 and his BAbip jumped to .346.
3 - Pineda's WHIP was a stellar 0.71 AT HOME.  On the road, Pineda ran a WHIP of 1.19.
Now, what I get from those numbers, even though the sample size is rather small is that Pineda appeared, to me, to be trying a bit too hard to overcome the environmental issues at High Desert.  Had he been a hitter he would have been attempting to hit a 5-run homerun with each at bat.
The funny thing is, he was actually succeeding until his elbow told him to stop the nonsense.  Get Pineda out of High Desert, and have someone talk to him about pitching within himself and he'll be fine.  I'm willing to bet that his elbow issues will evaporate.
Lonnie

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If your earliest 5-alarm bell predates mine, or JFro's :- )
ML scouts were talking #1 SP after he'd pitched eight games in his first year.  Sometimes those guys are slightly ahead of us...

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There's an outside-the-box take.  :c-points:  I can definitely visualize an extra gear to overcome the park.  Who knows.
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In Pineda's case, from a skill standpoint he could help the 2010 M's ... but if they can spend this year teaching him to smooth out a little, listen to his elbow, all that jazz, it will be time very well spent...
Not sure, of course, that the same couldn't be done by Mariners coaches :- )
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But we digress.  No major-league franchise is going to move a kid from A+ to the AL, so let's hope it goes as you say Lon, and after Pineda detonates AA and AAA maybe they'll think about it for Sept.

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Not that it really matters much to the conversation, but Doc Gooden destroyed the Florida league after being drafted out of HS, made the Mets out of ST, destroyed the NL as a rookie, and then went 24-4 in his sophomore season.  Talent trumps experience.

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I didn't get to see him pitch until after the scouting reports were in and that took a lot of youtube searching to find any footage.
But the scouts saw the potential long before his velo jump...you have to give them props for that.

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Dr. Gaff and I agree without footnotes required.  :- )
:daps:

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Lonnie of MC's picture

I wouldn't put a Doc Gooden tag on Pineda quite yet.  He *might* be the best pitching prospect in the Mariners system (shoutout for Nick Hill).
Lonnie

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No such thing as a pitching prospect...
Long, long ways for Pineda to go, starting with having a healthy season...
SSI stands by its evaluation:  if the elbow holds up, Pineda is one of the 5-10 best pitching prospects in O.B. ...

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I still owe you some shtick on the hitter evolution analysis you wrote.  Anything else I forgot to get to? :- )

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