Get Well Cards - linkage 3.30.12

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=== Michael Pineda at Lookout Landing ===

Sully with his typically likeable-and-brainy musings on last year's SSI darling.  The SSI follow-on here:  let's recall that Taro flatly stated that he did not like Michael Pineda's chances to stay healthy.  Here we are, sooner rather than later - scratch that, much sooner.  

Here's an ominous report about his shoulder soreness during the game.  In the mood to see what Yankee fans are saying after the shoulder report?  Here's a thread at River Ave. Blues.  The comments post starts it off with "heads better roll in the front office" and things degenerate from there.

Dr. D has a queasy feeling about Michael.  The jury's not in and the story ain't over.  But the first returns weigh in on Taro's side.  If the Mariners were to try to deal Pineda for Jesus Montero right now, March 30th, they wouldn't have a chance.  As of March 30th, the Mariners "won" the trade, huge.  Stocks can go up and can go down, of course.  But as of today, Zduriencik has purchased stock in a start-up company and seen it split a couple of months later.  

Anybody else feel like it's going to be a while, before a star young pitcher is traded for a star young hitter?

It's a funny thing.  That slide rule tells you to multiply a pitcher's ROI by 0.70.  He has a roughly 30% chance of being injured.  In this deal, was that slide rule applied?  Did Pineda's All-Star rookie season, times 0.70, equal Jesus Montero with his much shorter rookie trial?

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=== Baker on Kelley ===

Reports Shawn Kelley as saying that his slider is his "go-to pitch."  I'm not saying that's flatly wrong, but I don't get it.

First of all:  the "slider" breaks armside, like a changeup - we're talking 8 inches' run away from a left hand hitter.  Why that would be called a "slider" I haven't the foggiest.  And F/X run values don't show it to be effective (2011 run values are based on just a few pitches).

First-and-a-half of all:  as a changeup, I don't care for the arm action, don't care for the "parachute" on it, he doesn't seem to keep it down and finish it... hey, I'm not an alien from the future with total wisdom.  Am just saying that if you ask me, I dunno why he thinks so much of the pitch, yet.

Second of all:  Kelley's signature, when he was good, was a hellacious 94-mph fastball that had (1) Michael Pineda location, and (2) unusual cutting, Mariano Rivera type movement.  Check it for yourself.  The green line shows you that his FB was actually breaking gloveside, just like Rivera's.  That's one whale of a pitch, and it could have made Kelley a closer.  For precisely the same reasons that Mariano Rivera has ridden a 92-mph cutter to fame and fortune.

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Kelley's FB still cuts ... some.  Not nearly as much.   And it's FAR slower.  And it's not precise in its location.  What's G-Money's term?  The Alaskan Sled Dog bullpen, heavy on the Mush, babe.

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Maybe Shawn Kelley's arm will return to vintage.  Some day.  Like Mark Lowe's?  I dunno.  All I know is, if Shawn Kelley is saying that his fastball is gone, that his slider is his #1, I don' like it.

It's like Freddy Garcia going from 94 mph to 88 mph, and trying to sell you on his wisdom and experience.  My reaction is a dreary one:  that the old Freddy's gone, and the rest is conversation.

Two games in, the bullpen's in a state of emergency.  People will tell you that you gotta wait 20 games before deciding anything, but ... that's just because they need those 20 games to figure out what's going on.  ;- )  If you can figure it out in two games -- and Eric Wedge did, judging by the way he got Capt. Insano up in the 7th Tuesday night -- well, then do something after two games.

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ghost's picture

...apart from all of the sarcasm and back-biting so common among Yankee fans...(cracks me up to read from a distance)...
...is the aura of invincibility that is now evidently accruing for our man Jay Z. The folks are saying that Seattle is dangerous to trade with...Z seems to know more than everyone else...can't trust the ones he trades...he played Cashman like a fiddle for Lee and then played him again for Pineda...eating all of their cookies...
That...is AWESOME. We are the bullies at the table now...it's nice to see.
Get well soon, Michael...we miss you in Seattle now that our #3 starter is Hector Noesi...ew...
But it is nice to realize that not only dud Z abuse the Yanks to get Smoak and Beavan and Lueke (who is now Jaso) from the Rangers...but he also got the goodies he would have gotten from the Yankees. And all it cost was a replaceable power pitcher.

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In St. Louis they talked about this trade for decades. It's close to 50 years later and if you bring up lopsided trades that were hitter for pitcher, that one will pop up in the minds of a Cubs fan. At the time Broglio was the higher regarded player but you never know when it comes to a pithcer.
I really hope that Pineda becomes the man in NY but I am much more confident that Montero will reach stardom in Seattle.

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RockiesJeff's picture

Trading for Montero for Pineda? What do they say about a bird in the hand? Best wishes for Pineda but the trade was created by studs in the minors. Great to see Z get both guys he had wanted and not have the minors depleted.

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ghost's picture

Seattle wins 6-1 while resting....EVERYONE. LOL
The line-up was entirely composed of, at best, fifth stringers (Poythress, Morla, Almonte, Sucre, etc) and we used our #5 starter (Millwood) against a split squad, but mostly big-league San Diego club and won 6-1. It means nothing...but it is hilarious to me.

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Taro's picture

The more I watch, the more I think that pitcher health is primarilly about mechanics.
In Pineda's case, it was the extremely high elbow that was his major deliver flaw.
You look across baseball and nobody has stayed healthy in the rotation very long with an elbow as high above the shoulder as Pineda gets right before foot plant. Other delivery flaws such as early pronation and timing 'inverted W' just increased the risk.

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