Charlie Furbush, 2013 Team MVP?
Furbush vs Scot Shields vs Alexi Ogando

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Jeffy with an info-taining Eleven Thoughts On Charlie Furbush.  How does LL keep coming up with these completely new article templates?  I want the yellow sticky note on the side of your monitor there, captain.

He's more flexible, at the moment, than I am when it comes to Furbush's future career path.  So if you're saturated with the SSI Kool-Aid on Furbush's role in the 'pen, that will give you a va-cation from carbo-nation.

We'll recap SSI's position briefly.  As Dr. D sees it, the "starter's rhythm" is a key factor to consider when choosing roles; you want starting pitchers who can exploit their 3-mile run in order to obtain superhuman levels of finesse and precision as they face the same batter for the third time. 

Bill James put it another way -- three bucks a month, kiddies, for access to baseball's Aristotle -- 

 

Let’s go back to the issue itself now, the rights and wrongs of bullpen usage.   Even though my old ideas from fifteen years ago may have had nothing to do with the Closer by Committee, those ideas may still have been right, and they may still have been wrong.    Were there things I was wrong about, things that I didn’t understand back then?

                Well. …yeah, there were some things.   I’ll get to them in a minute.   There is a narrative about the failure of the Closer by Committee that goes like this. . .pretend you are hearing Tim McCarver.     It takes a special person to handle the pressure of being The Closer.  It’s one thing to get outs in the 7th inning when you’re three runs behind.   It’s another thing to be out there on the mound when every man who gets on first is potentially going to cost your team the ballgame.   You’re going to lose the game for your team sometimes.   You have to shake it off and come back the next day and get people out.   Not everybody can handle that.

                To me, that argument is insulting to the players.   I have known very few major league athletes who couldn’t handle the pressure of failing sometimes.

                I reject that argument because I don’t like the argument, but I also reject it because I don’t think it’s generally true.   It’s true sometimes.   There are probably some pitchers who have difficulty with the psychological pressures of pitching constantly in game situations.   I didn’t believe ten years ago, and I don’t believe now, that this is why the Closer by Committee failed.

                As my friend Sam Reich used to say, "If you can pitch in the sixth inning you can pitch in the ninth inning."    But here’s what I really did not understand ten years ago, starting with the broader subject of the sprinter vs. the middle distance runner.  You can run a lot faster in a short sprint than you can run if you are running two or three miles. For the exact same reasons, most pitchers are more effective when they’re throwing 20 pitches in an outing than when they’re trying to throw 130 pitches.     Actually, they’re a lot more effective.  

                It is a simple point with far-reaching implications.    Seventy years ago, I don’t believe that anyone in baseball understood this difference or understood the full implications of it.    It may be that the first person who truly got the implications of this was Casey Stengel, in making a short-outing reliever out of Ryne Duren.

                In 1956, pitching for Vancouver in the Pacific Coast League, Ryne Duren struck out 183 batters in 205 innings.   Not a bad strikeout rate, but pitching for the Yankees in 1958 and 1959 (combined), Duren struck out 183 batters in 151 innings.    When he pitched fewer innings his strikeout rate shot up, even though he was pitching against better hitters.

                As a starting pitcher in the minor leagues, Dick Radatz had ERAs of 3.04, 3.69, 3.79, and 3.50.  Moved to the bullpen in 1961 at Seattle, his ERA dropped to 2.28, and he was on his way toward becoming The Monster. 

                The obvious implication of this is that some pitchers who are not very fast in a two-mile run can run really fast in a sprint.   Therefore, you can get more innings of quality work from more pitchers if you just ask them for a sprint.  

                While the implications of this may seem obvious, it took baseball generations and generations to overcome the resistance to it.    I might argue, radically, that even now we have barely started to overcome the resistance to it.   We still would prefer, if we can, to have one pitcher pitch seven innings—the same mindset that gave baseball, for many years, a preference for distance runners rather than sprinters.    Westill are not at the point where we are comfortable turning the pitching staff into a series of sprints, rather than a two-mile run with a couple of sprints at the finish line.  

                When I was writing the things that I wrote about relievers ten or fifteen years ago, I either did not understand this sprinter/distance runner dichotomy at all, or I had not come to terms with its implications. Sparky Anderson understood it in the 1970s; Whitey Herzog understood it in the 1980s; Tony LaRussa understood it in the 1990s.   The rest of us have struggled to come to terms with it.

                Closers are sort of "super-sprinters" who come into the game when the finish line is so close that you can smell it.    There are advantages that go with being a reliever, as opposed to a starter, and there are advantages that go with being a Closer, as opposed to a piss-ant reliever.   (My text editor is trying to change "piss-ant" to "puissant."  I don’t even know what "puissant" means.)  Anyway, the Closer is in a unique position because, more than anyone else, he knows when he will be coming into the game.   He can manipulate his adrenaline flow, his heart rate and his metabolism to peak at the moment when he is called on.    He can take a nap in the 3rd and 4th innings, stir around in the 5th, play a little light toss in the 6th, stretch in the 7th, do some calisthenics in the 8th, and be ready to fire in the 9th.    Nobody else can do that.

                Also, the Closer has a more regular schedule than any other reliever.   If he has pitched the last two days in a row, he’s given the third day off (usually).   He knows he has the day off; the manager will tell the press that he probably is not available.    He won’t usually be asked to pitch three innings because the team needs him to.   If he hasn’t worked for a couple of days, he will be given the opportunity to get an inning’s work in even if the team doesn’t need him to.

                Other relievers are given these benefits as the opportunity allows the manager to bestow them, but Closers have priority on them.  This makes Closers different.

                Because they are different, some of them are super-effective.   Records are broken all the time, but there will never be a miler who runs as fast as Usain Bolt.  There are no starting pitchers in history—none—who are effective as Mariano Rivera or Jonathon Papelbon, adjusting for the era and the context.  Because they are sprinting only when they are perfectly prepared for a sprint (overstating it a little), those guys reach a level of effectiveness that no starting pitcher is ever going to match, even Verlander or Pedro Martinez.    Papelbon’s career strikeout rate, per batter faced, is a whopping 32% higher than Verlander’s.

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This means, of course, that in the bullpen you want pitchers CAPABLE of running faster for 1.0 innings than they can for 7.0.  Felix Hernandez probably would not pitch any better in the bullpen, for one inning, than he can in the 6th inning of a Yankee game.  Probably not as well, right?  Starter's rhythm.  Felix probably throws the ball better in the 5th innings of games than he does in the 1st.  With Papelbon, it's the opposite.

Sabermetricians don't fancy this territory:  "How do you create good seasons for your players?", but real baseball people can't afford to ignore it.

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I saw some reader at LL who wondered what Bill James' proof was, that Charlie Furbush has an unnatural, undesirable delivery.  That is a lot like asking what your proof is, that Kam Chancellor can deliver a tackle harder than Ichiro can.  When you are asking for something like that to be proven, you have taken one too many college philosophy classes.

There is such a thing as syllogism only for syllogism's sake, logic as a hobby.  Logic in and of itself is not a goal.  Logic is a means to an end.  Logic is the servant of Truth.  If something else gets you Truth, then use that.

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Furbush's delivery is royally fouled up on ten different levels, and if you have to ask you wouldn't understand.  In the rotation this causes him to be wild in the strike zone, meaning that he centers pitches accidentally.  You would predict that this would cause gopheritis.  In the rotation, Furbush actually has gopheritis.

In the bullpen, Furbush's max-effort delivery still causes him to center pitches, but a particular batter doesn't get 16 pitches that day to wait for one.  Also, in the bullpen Furbush only has to execute two pitches, so his execution is incomparably simpler and more consistent.

Furbush's history as a starter should be seen in one light only:  That he can deliver Scot Shields-type 3 IP outings out of the pen.  That is a huge advantage.  Yes, Furbush used to start.  Yes, Furbush has a rubber arm.  Yes, that means that we have a 3-IP reliever out there.  Yes, that's vunderbar.

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Okay, SSI is convicted on the matter, as are the M's ... the incredibly awesome website Lookout Landing would like to continue to consider the matter.  Fair deal.

Let's move on, though, and ask this question:  just how good IS Charlie Furbush going to be, as a left-handed Scot Shields?

  K BB HR FIP
Furbush, RP, 2012 10.3 3.1 0.6 2.81
Shields, 2005 (BEST year) 9.6 3.6 0.5 2.75
Ogando, 2012 (!) 9.1 2.4 1.3 3.82
Rafael Soriano, 2012 9.2 3.2 0.8 3.32

Granted, there are closers who fan 10-12 men per game, and walk 1+.  Charlie Furbush is not like that.  Furbush absolutely will never have the PWR + PRCSN of a Kimbrel, Papelbon, or Nathan.  He is not that good a pitcher.

But on the other hand, Furbush is a 1.0 to 3.0 inning pitcher, and I think he would be perfectly fine throwing 100-130 innings per year.  And Furbush is LEFT HANDED.

It just hit me.  I'd probably rather have Charlie Furbush than Alexi Ogando.  And Scot Shields was probably the 2004 Angel that I was most jealous of.  I thought that Shields was the Angels' stealth MVP.

It's going to take a long time to get used to the idea that Furbush is a stealth Team-MVP candidate.  But in the bullpen, he could be that.

 

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madedskillz's picture

Believe it when I see it. I've been following the M's as a die-hard fan all the way down to their AFL & Winter League games for the last five years... watched probably 90% of televised games before that since Junior and A-Rod were hitting their strides - all I have to say is that I love what Jack Z has done with the farm but I haven't seen anything that tells me in the last ten years that this team cares seriously about winning. I give Jack the benefit of the doubt for due process & doing what he can with the cards that he's been dealt... but there is a reason why Mariner's attendance is at an all time low and dropping more rapidly than any team in major league sports for the last ten years - people go to the games... and therefore draw their friends & family to the games... and therefore increase television viewership.... because of winning baseball. Period.
Its going to be real easy to renegotiate a huge contract in 2015 for our cable broadcast with the reality of what has been the Mariners since 2001.

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The other masters have been no match for the Cardinal school and its 1000 arms of fury technique.
Master La Russa, who, some say developed the style while serenely watching six hyenas maul a buffalo, teaches the principles of this style.
1. Many arms are better than one.
2. Weakness must always be exploited with blows that can not be seen or defended against. This means that every enemy should be attacked at his greatest weakness.  This is not possible with a single arm.
Other masters have scoffed at the thousand arms technique.  One master stated: "We laugh at Master La Russa and his cowardly 1000 arms style.  This technique has disgraced Kung Fu and the Cardinal school is only a den of thugs and robbers."
La Russa, upon hearing the insult, sent his six finest students over to assasinate the insolent master while he slept.
 
 

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The refutation to your statement is right in your very own post. You say that the team doesn't "seriously care about winning", and then you say that wins draw viewership and attendance. Even if the Mariners' owners' ultimate goal is to make money, the way to do that is (as you said) winning. Every baseball team, even including Jeffrey Loria's Marlins, cares about winning. There's no reason to think the Mariners are an exception to the rule.

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Everybody's got dozens of them, and to an extent the priorities compete with each other.  MLB teams want to win, and they also want a pretty yearly cash flow, and they also want longterm appreciation, and they also want prestige when they hobnob with VIP's, and they want a bunch of things.
Most well-moneyed MLB teams put less priority on year-to-year cashflow than the Mariners do.  As Armstrong once put it, "you can't get carried away" with winning.  But getting carried away with winning is precisely why you see $150, $200M contracts in other cities.
Sure the M's would like to win.  Just not as much as the Angels and Rangers would like to.

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I remember an ESPN broadcast in which a La Russa Oakland team got like 4 holds, bringing in Gene Nelson and Rick Honeycutt and Eckersley and a bunch of guys...
Broadcaster one.  YOU CANNOT LET THE A'S GET A LEAD LIKE THIS!  CAUSE THEY JUST KEEP PUTTING THESE GUNS TO YOUR HEAD!  AND THEY JUST KEEP PULLING THE TRIGGER!
Broadcaster two.  You ought to try some decaf, Pete.

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The Mariners would like to win within the parameters they have set, within their comfort zone. Those parameters appear to include a higher commitment to annual balance and lower commitment to winning than other teams. It's not that they don't want to win. Hey, there were a whole lot of young people who wanted to become astronauts in the mid-'60's. Only a very few paid the price, made the sacrifices to even be considered, and only a very select few mad the grade. And among those an even more select few got to experience a moon mission.
In addition to a relative lack of commitment, another issue with the Mariners and winning, at least traditionally, has been their competence. Even when they tried to win, even when blessed with a rare perfect storm of all-time-great draft picks and trade acquisitions that led to an impressive roster, their actual accomplishments did not match their blessedness. And when they decided to throw serious money at the problem it blew up in their face as well.
It takes both commitment and competence. Many here see Jack Z as incredibly competent. There is no doubt he is great at spotting talent. To me he has yet to prove his overall competence as a GM. He may yet do that to my satisfaction. But the only way the M's, with all the disadvantages that accumulate because of their remote geography, will ever truly accomplish what we hope they will is if commitment and competence enter the arena together at a high level. A lack of the kind of commitment it will take can short-circuit a very competent GM (unless you're Billy Beane or breath the air of the west coast of Florida).
Let us hope this twin hydra rears its head in Seattle, or Jack channels some Beane or Florida air.

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