This article is a powerful reminder that talent will surface in any context. +10
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One thing that I'll sheepishly admit: I hadn't heard of any groups there, other than Radiohead and of course the Paul Simon character (whose music I always loathed, except for Kodachrome ...). Dumb question, but where did you find these, Jim?
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There is occasional recent stuff I've heard that hit me with as much impact as Led Zeppelin or Van Halen or ZZ Top or Boston or Elton John or Michael Jackson. It seemed as clean and substantive and "inspired."
e.g.,
Kryptonite by Three Doors Down
Monster by Eminem (most of his stuff shows elite talent IMHO) (would have been Nirvana's best song)
Hot and Cold, Katy Perry ;- ) ... the engineers bring some of her stuff up to Fleetwood Mac / Supertramp level
Nirvana stuff of course, Pearl Jam a couple songs, if you want to go back to the 90's
Metallica - I'll credit them with as much talent as any hard rock group from earlier
Lady Gaga seems to be the 21st-century comp to Madonna. Does she actually write her own shtick?
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Here's a Q for you though Spec. The songs you imbedded are quality. But which do you think will get played a lot in 40 years? Not quibbling, just curious.
I heard "The Logical Song" on the radio yesterday for, what, the 500th time. Which songs of the last 10 years will have that kind of resonance, to where our grandkids will hear them 100's of times?
To those expressing dismay at the state of popular music:
Top 40 is awful because Top 40 can afford to be awful.
Why?
Because now -- unlike 25 years ago -- there are sufficient means for alternative and indie artists to attain and maintain success without striving for Top 40 success ... and there are sufficient means for grown ups with grown up tastes to find things to listen to without resorting to Top 40 radio.
Mutual self-selection.
If a restaurant stops serving seafood, eventually the people who want seafood stop going to that restaurant.
But so what? This is ultimately a good thing, and there's certainly no reason to dispair.
I dare you to tell me that this couldn't have been a huge hit in the mid-80s:
And how is this 2011 song much different from what the same guy plastered all over the radio in 1988? It would never sniff Top 40 today:
But so what?
If you can find an audience with good, smart music and maintain success with it ... why try to be Katy Perry?
Even if you don't like the folk-ier stuff, there's plenty of bouncier synth-poppy stuff that's not all same-old, same-old:
Even with rock, why try to break on to stations that are happy to just recycle Bob Seger and Rush?
For some reason, good old straightforward rock gets categorized as "alternative" now:
But, again, so what ... if you can find your audience?
And Jeff wanted a Pink Floyd ...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project
The Music Genome Project(link posted above) has changed how most people become exposed to new music. Less and less people listen to music on the radio, preferring instead to stream it. Pandora being one of the biggies for that, and at its core Pandora uses the Music Genome Project.
Even most people who do listen to top 40 dislike a good number of songs played but listen through them to hear what they like. With Pandora that's gone. Creating you own channels you never really get exposed to what you don't want. New stuff is mixed in but it is tailored to be what you already are predisposed to like.
Another change is in how the music itself is made. Heard an interview on the radio with Sir Mix a Lot. When he was asked about changes in the music industry over the course of his career he pointed to the massive increase of commercial grade music editing software available to anyone. Albums no longer need expensive studio time and can be made with a fraction of the upfront costs. He said that much smaller selling albums can now set an artist financially for life.
Think about the effect that has on the artists. Instead of trying to write the next "Thriller" They can focus on making what they are passionate for and still stand a chance to be financially wealthy.
BTW Spec, how can you throw up a list of music like that and not include the Black Keys? Edit maybe?... please.
of the internet, and technology in general (laptop computers which can be charged up with $500 worth of software that makes lil ol' me a better editor than any major publishing house from the '80s?!) when it comes to connecting artists with their audience.
And I'm all for people choosing precisely what they want in their entertainment media - I constantly harp about social agendas being far too prevalent in the stuff I consume for entertainment - but the downside to it is that there is very little chance for consolidated 'movements,' artistically, when everything goes meta as things are trending today.
The Beatles revolutionized pop music precisely because they had the bully pulpit. They had every microphone in a five hundred mile radius jammed into their faces whenever they showed themselves, and whenever they performed. The result of that is very similar to what world-wide communication has done for scientific advance: it creates a 'bedrock' or 'plateau' of substance and/or style from which everyone else can leap off. Generally speaking, in science at least, this is categorically a good thing since it consolidates knowledge and research to the degree that fewer lives are wasted copying each other's work in relatively fruitless directions of inquest. Now, some of the greatest discoveries have been made, essentially, by accident (the CMB, for example; you just had a couple of guys who were extremely diligent in creating a sensitive detection device, and it ended up detecting something even they could have never dreamed possible to detect).
With music, or any other entertainment media, this 'plateau' effect is understandably less important than it is for something like hard scientific inquest. But the effect, I think, can essentially be viewed as similar. Without the plateaus established by groups like the Beatles, the system begins to crumble into tiny islands which further crumble until there's not much value remaining, at which point it becomes a little more difficult to 'move forward/up' from the established position because that position was, itself, a decaying one (creatively speaking).
The great bands of yesteryear did indeed 'battle' each other artistically, and this competition drove them to explore avenues which had previously either been off-limits, or impossible (generally due to technological shortcomings of the prior period). The result was some of the finest music we'll likely ever hear.
I'm not arguing against the segregation of entertainment media, though. Far from it; I think the record labels and presentation medium (radio stations, popular culture, etc..) are genuine obstacles nowadays, as opposed to facilitators of great art. There was a time when I think they did, in fact, view their role (speaking of the media/presenters of music) as that of facilitators who were only too happy to take a slice off the greats on their way up the ladder. Nowadays, it seems the labels and popular media are more interested in creating solely-owned properties from thin air and then stamping them out before they get enough steam to head off on their own.
Bah, that's probably just incoherent rambling. Never mind...
Here's a couple links to Epic Rap Battles of History, an indie channel started by a couple of comedians that has rocketed to #1 status on Youtube. Several of their videos have over fifty million views, and one even has over a hundred million (Romney vs. Obama, I think). There are plenty more than these two that are great, but most of these guys' videos have language that isn't site-appropriate. This pair is clean, though...and the first one has Weird Al in it ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yis7GzlXNM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HZ5V9rT96M
This is a great song and a very cool/strange/funny video:
I'm blessed with a wife who liked music well before she like me, and was only willing to meet me because she saw me at an R.E.M. concert in 1989. My brother-in-law also likes to share songs he likes. Our kids have similar tastes (mostly) and also share things they like.
Sometimes I look at reviews and the charts for alternative and adult-alternative. I don't listen to the radio for music anymore, though a few times a year we get a free sample of Sirius XM and then we'll listen to that. That's how my wife found "Pumped Up Kicks" by Foster the People way way before it became a big hit.
Anyway, I guess I find bands or songs I like and then kind of explore around from there.
I use grooveshark.com mostly because you can make your own playlists or use ones that they've made for you, and not interrupted with ads. I don't know how long they can keep doing it that way, but it's great for now.
Since you're not familar with Death Cab for Cutie, Jeff, you probably don't know that singer Ben Gibbard wrote a song about Ichiro, so I'll post a link to that here (can't embed since it doesn't seem to be on youtube):
https://soundcloud.com/gibbstack/ichiros-theme
That will at least tie things back around to the original point of the blog.
I don't know about 40 years from now, but I can tell you that two of the most influential people of 40 years ago barely made a dent on the radio.
Alex Chilton had only one real hit, which was "The Letter" by his band the Box Tops, but later made more famous by Joe Cocker.
But his later band Big Star, while pretty much completely unknown to the mainstream, is a huge influence on all kinds of bands today.
Lou Reed is known to radio only for the novelty-ish "Walk on the Wild Side" and maybe known more broadly for his artsy stuff, but his early songs with Velvet Underground were hugely influential even though not widely popular.
Has most of the bands listed above, plus a bunch that would never make it to MT. A song will come out there, and if its huge (car commerical background huge) then six months later clear channel will play it here. The Matt&Kim's, Panama Wedding's, Big Data's, and Junior Prom's will never make it to MT though, which is why I keep my XM membership current. So at least I know what the kiddies are listening to, even if it is more sythesized than I prefer. There's not alot of new, good music, but there's some. Any contribution to the new AND good music should be appaulded considering all the 3 chord songs have been done before....cool thread.
My son, a student at the UW, started a band with his high school friends (living the dream, right?). They produced this song with an apple computer. My son is the lead guitarist, his best friend on drums and does the studio mixing. Anyway, this is there best commercial sounding tune so far (not my favorite, but...wow):
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1IQ6aSxpMP0
Currently working the bar scene here in Seattle. But man, it is tough to get noticed.
I thought, "hey, I've seen this one before" then remembered you shared it a couple years ago when you were a co-author at this site. Loved it then, LOVE it now. My kind of humor.
The Black Keys was a big influence on my sons, and the earlier music of their band CON reflects it. This is my favorite from their earlier sound (by earlier, I mean a year and a half ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJhJSSh3BOs