And What About the Mariners, Then?
Bad decisions, lame communicators or tough crowd? or all three? Part III

 

In Part I and Part II, we identified "old-school" and "new-school" ways of getting information about decision-making out from behind the "insider" curtain and conveyed to the general public.

So we have three variables that might be at play here:

     (1) The actual Mariner decision-making process

     (2) The manner in which Mariner decisions are explained/justified

     (3) The audience receiving the explanations/justifications

Let's explore some possibilities:

  • The Mariners are uniquely bad at making baseball decisions
  • The Mariners are not uniquely bad at making baseball decisions, but are particularly inartful in their choice of cliches/buzzwords to describe their decisions
  • The Mariners are neither uniquely bad at baseball decisions nor particularly inartful in their choice of cliches/buzzwords, but happen to face a particularly "tough crowd" on the receiving end

Needless to say, the chances are that none of those things is completely true to the exclusion of the others, but that all three have some degree of truth.

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My sense of the Mariners blog-o-sphere is that:

  • Where there is variation between Big Data vs. Insider-y "you had to be there," it has particular faith in Big Data
  • It has particular skepticism of the proverbial "middle-aged white guys in suits" (Eric Wedge's uni counting as "suit" in this case), who also tend to be the ones shoveling out the cliches/buzzwords
  • And as a result, it has a particular aversion to those types of justifications being offered for decisions

This probably comes from a combination of tech culture and Seattle culture ... but I don't know.

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My sense of the Mariners brass is that:

  • It is skeptical, but not necessarily uniquely skeptical, of the idea that Big Data can overcome "old-school" thinking
  • It places particular value on the "old-school" ability to dodge and fudge and bury their true intentions in platitudes and cliches without being "called on it"
  • It harbors some level of resentment at the "new-school" ability to "call them on it" (resulting in the "9-year-olds" comment)

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As a result, there is -- maybe not a "perfect storm" -- but ideal conditions for "getting wrapped around the axle" and producing "more heat than light" (cliches again!).

So: it is bad decisions, lame communicators or tough crowd?  I do think it's all three.

But I also think the situation appears worse than it is because of the "old-school" communicators conveying their message to a "new-school" audience, and a lot of "heat" gets expended in that clash -- which is, at the end of the day, not particularly useful (as I said, a battle over a Potemkin Village).

At the same time, that very "heat" makes it easy to be dismissive of "Internet know-it-alls" who huff and puff at every "non-analytical" decision.  And that's not helpful either.

 

 

Comments

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I get somewhat frustrated at the new-style blogs who use a lot of unattributed gossip and turn it into a meme about the organization. I appreciate Matt has to be careful, but I'm far more willing to accept that the Ms are viewed as dysfunctional when I hear it from him rather than "an AL scout". I know several stringer scouts - guys-who-own-a-sporting-goods-route-and-keep-track-of-local-players types. Some played minor league ball but never made the show. All know baseball well, but all have their own foibles and prejudices (the "good face", "good pitcher's build" kind). That's why clubs have full-time scouts and cross-checkers. When I hear reports that "scouts say", I wish we had a way of sending out a cross-checker!

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GLS's picture

This is a bit off-topic, but I used to work with this woman that did some sort of scouting for the Red Sox in the Puget Sound area. I don't know if she was actually paid, or just a friend of the organization and part of their informal intelligence network. Anyway, she was heavily involved in youth baseball and knew most of the big name local players. She told me that Matt Tuiasosopo was a tremendous athlete but that he didn't have baseball instincts. That was right after he was drafted. She also told me early on that most people in the Mariners organization thought Ryan Anderson would never pitch again. I forget when that was, but I'm assuming he was in the midst of one of his rehab stints somewhere around the 2002-2003 time frame.

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The Mariners blog-o-sphere guys should come take a tour of Yankee Stadium.
The guys who run the tours there talk all about how the 90s Yankees "knew how to win". And even most of the fans kind of roll their eyes. :) The same is true of the tour I got of Fenway Park when I visited Boston some years back.
So the cliches are everywhere...not just in Seattle. Even baseball orgs that are perceived by the Mariners as being smartly run such as the Braves, Cardinals, As and Yankees frequently explain moves to their fanbases as "this guy knew how to win" or "we like his veteran presence in the line-up"

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They've certainly gotten to use the "veteran presence" one a lot this year in the Bronx ;-)

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Ace's picture

Another bad call on leaving the pitcher on with full bases loaded and losing the ball game to Boston,Wed 7/31/13, never fails coach.

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