Lonnie MC on Adam Moore

That Lonnie chap can really light it up when he's feelin' it, and dig his hard data on Adam Moore.

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=== Weight and WAIT, dept. ===

Lonnie's hitting charts on Moore are comical, especially for a catcher of Moore's size and strength. 

The charts brought back childhood images of Vince Lombardi chalk-talking a Power Sweep in the 1960's, with every X blocked inside a little semi-circle, two wavy lines indicating the seal inside and outside, and the runner advancing the football 80 yards on 1st-and-10.

In case you're wondering whether every ballplayer's scatterchart looks as randomly-peppered as Jemanji's dartboard, the answer is No.  Left is the hit chart for the last Mariner catcher; notice the blood-red clot designating the 6-3 and 5-3 artery.

Or look up the same thing for Jose Lopez.

Or look up the same thing for Adrian Beltre.

Or look up the same thing for Yuniesky Betancourt.

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We can't emphasize enough the way in which off-field hitting -- for a right hand hitter vs the 80% RHP's -- slows the game down.  Taking the ball up the middle is exactly the same thing as slowing down the pitcher's speed by 2-3 mph, but better.  Because you stay balanced, not lunging.  You retain options of swinging either later or earlier.  Taking the ball up the middle creates a syndrome of calm alertness, flexible reactions, at the plate.

Teddy Ballgame would fix hitters in slumps and the very first thing would ask them was whether they were taking the ball up the middle.  That's the starting point for beginning an attack on a superior pitcher -- as all pitchers will be to the rookie Adam Moore in 2010.

Somebody told Wade Boggs that if he waited on the ball, he'd have more time.  And that if he kept his weight back, he could put torque on the ball late.  Boggs noticed that the next time he tried this, he rifled a shot into LF for a hit.  He decided to rifle about 3,000 more of them.

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=== WEIGHT and Wait, dept. ===

Endy Chavez can take the other way, but Lonnie's charts show all sorts of blue HR dots to RF -- even right down the RF line.

The bathead has not accelerated yet when you don't get the ball in front of the plate, so you're talking about mammoth strength.  (How many times have you seen our hero Ichiro hit a home run to left field in Safeco?  Has he ever done it once?)

But assuming that a hitter is so strong that he gets extra-base hits up the middle, into the right-center gap, over the RF fence, the game is slower for him than for everybody else.

Here's a Gammons roundtable in which Ted Williams demonstrates to two HOF'ers* that they don't understand hitting.  :- )   Excerpt:

GAMMONS: Ted, who was the toughest for you?

WILLIAMS: Boy, Bob Feller had great stuff. I can't name one who was toughest for me, but Eddie Lopat and Whitey Ford were really tough because they never gave me a pitch to hit. Bob Lemon was as tough as anyone.

Now, if I could give you any advice, it would be that the tougher the pitcher, the tougher the situation, the tougher the count, the worse the light, the worse the umpires, the tougher the delivery, the single most important thing to think about is hitting the ball hard through the middle.

You'll never go wrong with that idea in your mind. As long as you hit, and especially as you get older, hang in there and be quick.

BOGGS: If your name was Webster, not Williams, what would be your definition of a slump?

WILLIAMS: The inability to get hold of a ball and hit it with authority according to my potential.

BOGGS: Are you hitting the ball hard at all?

WILLIAMS: No, I'm not hitting the ball hard. If I'm hitting the ball hard and not getting hits, I didn't worry. I would say, "The law of averages is going to catch up with this ."

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=== Career Arc ===

Tracking minor-league hitters, the number one thing you want to see if you're looking for special gifts:  smooth progression, a new league each year, fulltime play.  You'd be surprised how few minor leaguers fulfill that.

As Lonnie emphasizes, Moore has a classic impact hitter's progression through the minor leagues, facing a brand-new set of (tougher) pitchers and handling them all with ease.  That's talent.

True, he slowed down just a bit at Cheney, but now let's "normalize" his hitting lines for the fact that he's a catcher.  And paying most of his attention to that.  ... once he got to Cheney, we have little doubt that the real pressure on his catch-and-call game went through the roof.

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You take Doug Fister or Franklin Gutierrez or Mark Lowe and the more you look, the more you remain intrigued.

You take Adam Moore, and the more you look, the more you expect prime time play out of him.

Go baby,

Dr D


Comments

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Taro's picture

Lonnie deserves a lot of props regarding Moore.
When most of us were salivating over Jeff Clement, Lonnie was pushing Moore (most of us didn't take him seriously). Time has proven Lonnie right.
I was not aware that Moore was a spray hitter or that he had the power to go out in center and right. Given his GB tendencies hes likely a top-spin hitter as well. Overall, he could be a better fit for Safeco than your typical RH batter.
I also love the fact that Moore has such a healthy disrespect for the MLB game. He is not in awe of these MLBers, because he knows he belongs.
Moore's stock is UP. You could make the argument that hes the #2 prospect in our system right now. Its hard to find catchers with this much promise.

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Taro's picture

"But assuming that a hitter is so strong that he gets extra-base hits up the middle, into the right-center gap, over the RF fence, the game is slower for him than for everybody else."
This is really a great way of putting. The key to pulling off an extreme up the middle or opposite field approach is "Strength".
I've always wondered why more power hitters don't stay back on the fastball. It is just a superior approach. It gives you extra time to recognize pitches and stay back on breaking balls.
Mauer is a perfect example of a guy who excels at this. Hes probably the most extreme opposite field hitter in the game today.

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And we remember that the two RH hitters to play very well in Safeco -- Edgar and The Boone -- had tons of doubles to right-center.
Moore is exciting, ain't he Champ?

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misterjonez's picture

quite a bit when I first read it. I've gotta say, I was more or less married to the idea of Jeff Clement with his tower-power lefty swing in Safeco, but Moore really has proven himself at the plate.
I was going to do a comparison between Moore and Kurt Suzuki, but there isn't a lot to compare if I'm being honest. The OPS results are likely to be similar, and I don't know much about Moore's defensive prowess, but if he can OPS north of .700 then he becomes a fairly important part of this team for the near and long term. Looks to me like he can do that pretty well in his sleep.

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Lonnie of MC's picture

Moore was better behind the plate while he was at High Desert then Clement could ever have wished to be, and he has gotten better each year. He's not perfect, but when you combine his offensive potential with his defense you end up with a player who grades out as at least above average MLB.
Lonnie

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misterjonez's picture

is that he's pretty much as ready as you can be, I would think. He's not going to come out and blast 20 HR's with an OBP over .350 or anything silly like that, but his offense should clock in at or near league-average, and six years of club control on an average MLB player up the middle is a thing of beauty.

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Until you put it that way Jonez.
Moore shows you as solid a bat as Wok thinks he might, you've got a value comparable to Gutierrez and Lopez.

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Lonnie of MC's picture

There are at least two other players in the Mariner system who are showing the same tendencies as Moore. One of them should make the team coming out of ST this year. Yep, I'm talking about Matt Tuiasosopo.
The other guy? Alex Liddi. I've got a "Hitter Evolution" post up at Mariner Central now in the minor league side of the site. After going through Liddi's stats and charts I've got just one thing to say.
BABVA!
Lonnie

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