In hardball negotiations. "We're offering 6x3 with a 7.5 team option, first guy to tap the buzzer gets it." If Iwakuma thinks he can do better he can try, but that's probably about where he'll be. And it's a little less than Vargas might get, but he can crush his value with a few mistakes and he wants to be here, so he'd probably take it.
Of course, negotiating with Japanese players is bad form - it's an affront to face. We should just give Japanese players what they want. So we'll see if we're "allowed" to fight with Iwakuma instead of rolling over. But I expect Vargas to take a deal like that and Iwakuma to try the market again.
But I'm with you, I'm starting to like Iwakuma more. I think we need one of em. We'll see which one stays.
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Q. Which version of Iwakuma was that, getting beaten by the Yankees?
A. The second version. Or the 2 1/2 version. As we recall, there have been three iterations of Mr. WBC:
- The spring training version with a short fastball and a nibble-and-pick game, the one who had MLB hitters standing on the plate and swinging from the back leg.
- The sharper version, with a 90 fastball he'd use inside and up in the zone, the one who is demonstrably an MLB middle-of-the-rotation starter. The Shaun Marcum comp.
- The elite version, the one with a 82 MPH "change-slider" who dominates. The James Shields comp.
Against the Yankees, I didn't feel the arm action was as snappy on the slider -- in fact the fastball velo was down, too, and it seemed that his arm was fatigued from the 13 K's or something. But the slider was good, all his pitches were good, and he needed about 47 unlucky breaks to give up three earned runs. Jason Vargas has done worse.
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Q. Bad breaks, like what.
A. There's a fine line between making excuses and --- > Felix Hernandez fanning 8 guys but seeing a cheap home run go 335 feet and beat him 3-1. Sunday was the latter.
Just as a f'r instance, what say we rubberneck the big NPB-on-NPB matchup in the second inning:
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Look at the quality of those first two pitches? Angel Campos visibly sneeeeeered at both of them. Mike Blowers was all over the ump throughout Iwakuma's start. Listen, amigo. I'd like to see you pitch to the New York Yankees if the ump is making you throw the ball through an area the size of a license plate.
So did Iwakuma get blasted? Did he get KO'ed in the fourth, having given up nine hits, five doubles and homers, and seven runs? No, he cobbled a rawhide-tough near quality start. He pitched into the 6th, gave up three runs. Four strikeouts, only two walks despite that strike zone, and of the seven hits, two or three of them should have been outs.
In Shandler terms, this was a PQS score of 3/5 - a point for domination, a point for command, and a point for mistake avoidance. No points for stamina or hit prevention, though he'd have had both those points if two plays had been turned behind him.
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Q. You said 43 bad breaks, not one tight strike zone.
A. We're not even going into the 43 other things ... To score in the first? Iwakuma threw Robinson Cano a hellacious shu'uto Right. On. The. Black. and 4 inches below the knees, swerving away from it. Cano reached out and hit a 4-bounce dribbler to Kyle Seager. Except Seager, showing the range of a Smart car on gravel, didn't get to it. Also, the M's defense parlayed this into a 2B-and-3B situation (!?).
Men now on 2B and 3B, one out, Iwakuma facing Mark "$23M" Teixeria. On a 3-2 pitch, Iwakuma threw Teixera a diving shu'uto that was six inches outside. Tex leaned out and pulled a grounder to Kyle Seager. The GameDay reads "Mark Teixeira singles on a ground ball to Kyle Seager."
And that was one of the earned runs. Check the unearned run in the second - off an error by the FIRST baseman Ackley. Not a good day for the M's defenders out of position.
Four times the Yankees scored one run, and three of those times it was magnificent damage control by Iwakuma. This kind of game is almost a better testimony than an easy wipeout of the Royals.
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Q. Look, he lost, idjit. Let's not make this out to be a good thing.
A. It's a funny thing. We know that W's, L's, and ERA can be misleading when you're talking about 30 starts. But take it to one start and we think W and ERA are the bottom line. :- )
No, Sunday was a whale of a start for Hisashi Iwakuma. On a lot of levels.
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Q. Okay, just quickly, what did he do well. Other than nails-tough damage control.
A. I was delighted to see him go to the shu'uto so much when the pressure was 10,000 PSI. They used to say about Gaylord Perry, when he got in a jam that's when he threw 95% spitters.
He threw 21 sliders, 17 of them for strikes, and 4 swing-throughs. Remember, whiffs on the slider are what keys his elite game. He wasn't elite Sunday, maybe, but the seismo's are there for sustained TOR pitching. Of those 21 sliders, 14 of them were "Strikes Not In Play" (SNIPS). That is a rockin' posse of sliders, considering it is a right hand slider to (awesome) left hand hitters.
He expanded the zone (off the plate away) with intelligence and virtuosity. He maintained his velo well through 100 pitches ... well, pitches 90-100 were off juuuuuuust a skosh.
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Q. So this was an okay start, or a good one, or a great one gone sour?
A. Hey, if Iwakuma were making mistakes, we'd be glad to say so. That was not what happened. The Yankees scored their runs on pitchers' pitches. Give the other guys credit, too. They're part of the game.
The home run was on a pitcher's pitch, a quality jam pitch in a pitcher's count. What's he supposed to not throw the ball over the plate, where the umpires call it a "strike"?
You go through GameDay and it's hard to find even one really lousy pitch. They're all well-thought-out and well-located. Iwakuma would have butchered a lot of lineups with those same pitches.
Granted, all of this does mean that Hisashi Iwakuma is not Justin Verlander. He's never going to be able to go out and just knock people over with overpowering stuff, in Bedard, Pineda, or Felix style. The same is true of James Shields, Shaun Marcum, and Doug Fister - they don't embarrass people, either. Iwakuma is a Hershiser type, not a Clemens type.
With that damage-control game, Hisashi Iwakuma moved firmly into SSI's adopt-a-player mode. We don't say he's going 17-9, 2.95 next year. But I'll take him over Jason Vargas, and that's saying a fair bit.
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Q. Wait, what.
A. If my choice is Iwakuma or Vargas, same $8M, and the meds are good on Iwakuma, I'll go to war with Mr. WBC. I think he outpitches Vargas in 2013, especially in any kind of neutral stadium (such as all the M's road parks). But Iwakuma will probably be cheaper than Vargas.
Go through the GameDay yourself. Look at where those pitches are, in what counts. Look at the variance in velocity. ... Vargas does that too, but Iwakuma's arsenal is more incisive. He throws harder, he's got the shu'uto, he's got three good pitches not two, and he's got an eephus curve.
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Q. A best bet like Pineda and Seager?
A. No, he's not in that territory - more of an adopt-a-player. Coefficients of confidence:
Mariner | Confidence level |
Pineda March 2011 |
98% |
Seager April 2012 | 95% (hasn't changed) |
Ackley |
90% |
Iwakuma | 85% |
Vargas | 80% (and that's saying a lot) |
If Iwakuma executes the pitches that he is throwing -- the shu'uto, the good slider, the precision-guided fastballs, the pitchability - he is going to be fine. The question is whether he'll execute, not whether his pitches will work. Will he execute? Has he ever done anything but?
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Q. Leaving Iwakuma where?
A. You guys know that I am dearly fond of NPB pitchers. There's a bias there.
But there's also a bias towards courageous, intelligent pitchers who have command of four pitches. And a bias towards starters who have a legit finish pitch, such as the shu'uto. Right now I'm very comfortable in comparing Iwakuma to Shaun Marcum in any case, and to James Shields in the best case.
I dunno where Iwakuma's health is going to be in 2013. But if he's hitting 90 MPH, he can pitch in my rotation any time. I wonder what kind of money he'd want.
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...I'd keep Vargas over Iwakuma based strictly on track record.
Vargas definitely has it over the very deliberate Iwakuma.
Every baseball fan on the planet except me wants a fast tempo, but I've never been able to understand why. It's totally opaque to me, why a two-hour movie is better than a three-hour movie. People sit and watch TV for like seven hours in a row. Okay, it's 9:00, time to leave Safeco. What are we doing next?
Bill James once observed that 3-hour ballgames have the same number of pitches, but more dead space. That answer didn't jell with me either. While they are lining up the next pitch, I'm thinking about the game.
Maybe you can 'splain it to me EA. :- ) To me, JASON VARGAS is like watching paint dry, because of the lack of incisiveness of his pitches. Iwakuma is fascinating because he speaks an alien pitch-sequence language.
3 x $6M, with an option, sounds sweet like ice cream and maybe do-able. I wonder if they would put that kind of thing on the table now, before the off-season? Don't remember many deals being cut in August and September, but could be wrong.
That arb estimation program on MLBTR.com has Vargas at $8.1 for one year. You'd think if he could lock in close to $20M he'd be tempted, but maybe not.
My only thing is, whether Iwakuma's shoulder is going to hold up. I guess if you get him for $6M per, he's going to earn that in 10 starts per year, like Bedard did....
I think you have multiple factors here but they all touch on rhythm. You have a general pattern where the pitcher receives the ball, he collects himself, he gets the sign, he gets himself ready both physically and mentally to make his pitch, and then he executes his pitch. As a fan you sort of mimic along and you can relax and have a sip of your beverage of choice between pitches. You don't really focus in until the pitcher looks like he is almost ready to start his windup. When the pitcher is going slow he is essentially forcing you into a state of alertness for a longer period of time but you aren't getting any payback for the extra mental exertion. Not a big deal here and there, but over 250 pitches during a game it really starts to add up. I think this ties in to players talking about how it is more difficult to focus in the field for slow pitchers and they have to worry about batted balls flying in excess of 100 MPH flying towards their heads.
And then you also have the aesthetic effect of events not happening when they are "supposed" to happen. An artist may actually use this to achieve some desired reaction in painting or music. The brain has a visceral reaction to something being out of place. It would probably happen if a pitcher was somehow too fast but I think the realities of human physiology prevent us from reaching such a point during live action. I find that if I've recorded a game that I'll skip commercials but I'll otherwise leave it alone as long as I have the time and the pitchers are moving at a reasonable pace.
As to a 2 hour long movie vs. 3 hour long movie: How do you feel about a 4 hour long round of golf versus a 5 and a half hour long round of golf? Or take a 2 hour long movie you like and then pause it for 5 seconds between each line of dialog.
I am a little late to the party here but...
If the 2 hour movie was extended to a 3 hour movie because they added an hours worth of extra content, well ok then, but if all they are doing is adding in more pauses and dead air, count me out. In most baseball games there will always only be 27 outs per side, the action will never be extended, only the the amount of wait time. And I am an american so any waiting time is a direct personal affront to me :) Even if the content itself was extended, more is not always more. Just ask my wife and how she feels about my weight ;)