Trayvon and Granderson - Mechanics

Q.  What do Trayvon and Granderson have in common?

A.  First of all, the profile, the K/BB, the gap power, the age-arc, etc ... see this article.

Curtis Granderson tackled AAA at age 24 ... in 111 games he had a 48:129 EYE, had excellent gap power.  ... 

Trayvon's K's and BB's were both a bit higher, but the EYE (the ratio of BB's to K's) is exactly the same and Trayvon was pushed a little faster.

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Q.  Do they swing the same?

A.  They swing exactly the same, yes.

In this gorgeous video, watch Trayvon prep the swing in Nick Franklin style:

  • Lead foot goes six inches forward
  • Weight sinks onto back knee
  • Bat handle goes straight back (not up) a few inches, "stretching the rubber band"
  • Bat wrap cocks quietly, hands twitch comfortably
  • Trayvon goes to the ball *suddenly*
  • The bat speed (launch and throughspeed) is extra class

It's a beautiful swing, short, graceful and explosive.  It's not as magical as Nick Franklin's more upright, more centrifugal Teddy Ballgame swing -- for example, Franklin has the flowery Joe DiMaggio finish, whereas Trayvon has a very short, Alvin Davis finish.  But the physics involved are sweeeet.

Now look at Curtis Granderson's swing.  Especially at the 0:17 mark in this video, you can see the same angle of bat wrap, the same prepatory move of the hands, the same bat speed and swing shape, the same compact followthrough, same LD/FB results ... check it out.

You got the same unusually-high back elbow, the same distance between hands and shoulder, the list goes on.

Both players are lower to the ground, in the box, than a Nick Franklin is.  It's a quicker swing, more fast-twitch, less leveraged.  Trayvon Robinson and Curtis Granderson have swings that utilize their physical attributes.

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Trayvon is young and Curtis Granderson is now fully mature; the last two years Granderson has taken to clearing his front knee and his belt buckle early, for extra power.  (This is exactly Jack Nicklaus' swing key for smooth added yardage.)

But other than that, you're not going to find a more lookalike swing than those of Trayvon and Granderson.

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Q.  Does this fall into the category of a Kyle Seager "Keep the Bat In the Zone a Long Time" (KBIZLT) swing?

A.  It does, yes.  

Here is an explanation of the KBIZLT concept.  For Trayvon, it's not quite as much as Seager's - the followthrough isn't extended through the swing plane quite the same way, and Trayvon doesn't make a conscious point of staying inside the ball as much as a Seager or a Derek Jeter does.  

But pretty much.  His path to the ball, and the throughswing, are unquestionably KBIZLT.

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Q.  Why so many strikeouts, then, for both of them?

A.  Bat acceleration through the zone.

Anybody can drag the bat through the zone lifelessly, as Chone Figgins does, and avoid a strikeout.  These guys attack.

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Pitch recognition plays in.  Old players' EYEs improve.  Curtis Granderson fanned 174 (!) times in his first full year ... now that's down to 110, 115.

I'm not saying that the pretty, and clean, swing guarantees contact.  But it certainly suggests that the swing shouldn't be the root cause of the K totals.

Hey, if he's an inner-city kid on a pheenom's timeline, you figure he's gonna win some and lose some.  LOL.

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Comments

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Taro's picture

Curtis Granderson had a 18.8% minor league K-rate. Travyon is at 25%.  Guys who show "old-player skills" in the minors usually fall flat at MLB.
Travyon and even Wells are the type of prospects I try to trade in packages to other teams. Travyon is someone I wouldn't want to invest PAs in. You waste the audition time and hurt his stock as a prospect along the way. You have to make that call early on the guys you believe in.  
Maybe we can do a quantity for quality deal this offseason once we figure out who sticks.

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ghost's picture

Without meaning disrespect to you as a talent evaluator...there's a HUGE difference between a guy hitting 10 doubles and 25 dingers and stealing zero bases and hitting zero triples in a normal park...and a guy hitting 9 doubles and 26 dingers and stealing 20+ bases and hitting 6 triples. Old man skills? I think not. Take 7 of those homers and slide them inot the double pi9le to adjust for his park and his line becomes 16 2B and 19 HR...with 6 3B and a bunch of steals and pretty defense and a disciplined approach at the plate that leads to a roughly 0.5 EYE most of the time. That's not an old man skill set.

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