POTD Tyler Walker

Q: Who IS this guy?

A: If you want a frame of reference, think of a right-handed George Sherrill. Am not saying he's a mirror image, but it's a good way to organize your thinking. If GS52 went Shirley McLaine on us and came back as a right-handed bouncing baby from India, he'd move to the US and become Tyler Walker.

Walker is a big guy, like GS52. He short-arms the ball from behind his ear. He pitches with a high front side.

Walker has a good crisp fastball -- probably 2 mph faster than Sherrill's, which makes it equivalent, since lefties' FB's look 2 mph faster. Walker also brings a plus slider. He mixes the two very nicely, depending on plus deception to get late reactions from hitters. (Batters rely on subliminal clues to read the spin of the ball. You tell me if batters can read Walker's grip from the position in which he's holding it in the picture.)

Walker's FB-slider whipsaw works, pretty much. Walker does mix in a change as well, which a right-handed Sherrill would want to do, also.

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Sabermetrically, Walker fans a lot of guys but also walks too many (he isn't a starting pitcher, now, and shouldn't be walking 4 guys a game). He tends to tateritis, which is another reflection of the fact that he's kind of wild in the zone. Not "wild" in the scouting sense, but wild in the dictionary sense, unpredictable.

If you check out those bogue PLATE DISCIPLINE graphs at HBT, you'll notice:

1. Walker gets a lot of called strikes -- he freezes a lot of hitters; they watch strikes go by.

2. Walker gets a lot of swings at pitches outside the zone -- he gets guys fishing.

3. Walker also gets a lot of swings and misses INSIDE the zone, meaning that he's not just confusing guys; he's also just hard to see.

The fact that he's real hard to see doesn't mean he's a star, because he does get splashed against the fences when he makes a mistake. He's not quite as good as GS52, but it's a pretty fair way to look at him.

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Q. Big platoon split?

A. Not really. Didn't check it, but you can bet his BABIP's were unlucky last year. He fanned more LH than RH, if I recall correctly.

Walker comes straight over the top, high front side, and those guys don't suffer vs LHP's. That's part of what Capt. Jack Sparrow was talking, you can use him in any role.

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Q. Is he a sabermetric pick?

A. Obviously not. Those amigos who were kinda hoping we just hired Voros McCracken to GM, just got served. We mean it in a good way.

The move doesn't prove that Capt. Jack is a good ole boy, either. But the fact is, that his first move was decidedly not a sabr-find off Paul DePodesta's laptop. It was a visual-scout judgment that Tyler Walker brings the attitude, and forward growth, and versatility, that will work out well in 2009.

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Q. Do you think he'll make a big leap in Y3 after Tommy John surgery?

A. Probably not. Fangraphs has his average velo as higher in 2007 than in 2008.

Whether that is an important piece of data or not -- I don't see a short-armer like Walker as adding a lot more velocity beyond where he's at now. Just my $0.02.

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Q. So how good is he? What's the bottom line?

A. He's an average-solid major league short man, emphasis on K's rather than on control and command. Among the group of average-solid short men, he's a bit to the hard-throwing, wild side of the spectrum.

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Cheers,

Dr D

Comments

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Taro's picture

What it comes down to is whether or not Walker is a good pitcher...He isn't, but maybe Z sees some potential there.
Clearly Walker could be an impact releiver if he could figure out his command. Maybe Z has identified a mechanical flaw that can be fixed or something?
If hes buying Walker as the pitcher he is now...I don't like it. If he see sees him as a guy with breakout potential, then I can get with it.
I don't know, I've liked Z's moves so far but I'd like to see what he has to say on this one.

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Doc...Wlkaer does indeed have a gigantic platoon split.
Career OPS allowed to lefties: .838
Righties: .721
That's not an insignificant split. The BABIP against lefties was unlucky last year, no doubt. just as his BA agaisnt righties was reDONKulously lucky. But there ya go.
I don't buy it...I don't see what Z sees...if I'm wrong, then I bow to the master. :)

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misterjonez's picture

Saito would seem to have made more sense. And seeing as it's a new administration, I'm not going to automatically assume that he's a BP arm we can count on improving during his tenure.

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Sandy - Raleigh's picture

My take? He's the bargain basement replacement for the soon-to-be-departed Miguel Batista.
While the pundits may be posturing that he's a closer candidate, I think that's more a case of the Ms bullpen roles for 2009 are just completely unknown at the moment, rather than he's actually "intended" to move into that role.
The thing that frustrates me about the net-speak these days is that every move continues to be treated solely and completely as a "talent evaluation" assessment - with no consideration whatsoever for anything else.
Closer situation for 2009: Heilman? Jimenez? Batista? RRS? Morrow? Walker?
At this moment, NOBODY knows anything. They don't know what Z's thinking is. They don't know what Waka wants. They don't know what the scouts had to say after watching Walker. At the moment, it's all speculation.
Me? I'm still trying to get a sense for the "big picture" of what Z is attempting to do -- and again, I am seeing a ton of moves that from my perspective seem to be focusing on COMPETITION.
The net is wild with requests and speculation about going to get AUTOMATIC lineup inserts. Teix -- Dunn -- Griffey. "Let's get somebody from outside the organization, who can step in an immediately be bequeathed the throne of baseball Godhood in Seattle." To my way of thinking - what that APPROACH does is simply reinforce the "culture of losing" that has grown over the organization in the last 4 years.
Part of the reason I REALLY didn't like the idea of Teix -- and I was skittish about Dunn, (without knowing Dunn's contract LENGTH requirements), is that the instant you go out and sign these guys, you pretty much tell everyone at those positions in the minors to pack it in - they will *NEVER* get a chance to play for THIS club.
I truly believe that when your stars are homegrown and your fill-ins are imports, that the task of building team chemistry is just vastly easier.
My take on Walker is that he's another name into the closer drawing the will ultimately be won by PERFORMANCE. To me, it doesn't matter whether Walker succeeds or flames out. The BIG picture is what impact he has on the other pitchers attempting to EARN a spot.
The Braves were actually pretty poor at bullpen assembly during their long run. BUT, they eventually changed their methods from attempting to identify talent and "tweak" it into stardom. When they started having success was when they started assembling 15-20 "who cares" arms in Spring Training -- and then started the season with the best 6-7 out of the bunch.
Ty Walker 2009 is a lot like Darren Holmes in 2002 for the Braves -- a cheap and expendable arm. But one that somebody in the organization may have seen something in that they can work with or make better. Only a few stat-crazy Braves fans will remember the Braves 2002 bullpen -- but it was perhaps the ultimate example of simply throwing lots of pasta at the wall to see what sticks:
Chris Hammond: 0.95 ERA (76 IPs)
Darren Holmes: 1.81 ERA (55 IPs)
M. Remlinger : 1.99 ERA (68 IPs)
Smoltz got all the glory with his 55 saves, (and 3.25 ERA). But how many pens run THREE guys out there for 200 innings of ERA under *TWO*?
It may sound simple - but the only way to do away with Veteran Entitlement (tm), is to do away with Entitlement.

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Dan's picture

Absolutely killer response, Sandy. You make some really great points, and it makes me more optimistic! You're comment about still trying to figure out Z's overall vision is a good one, and I think you're right that all of these moves seem to be focused on competition rather than entitlement.

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Ya, your typical high-quality H20 Sandy. Love the counterpoint.
IF Capt Jack's idea is to put the entrenched M's on notice -- as opposed to his idea being to bring in a pitcher HE VIEWS AS bona fide for the 9th and for bases-loaded pinches -- then it is a variation on the same thing we're talking about. Creating a tougher attitude in the 'pen.
If this were Pat Gillick choosing a castoff reliever, the guy would go out, throw 70 innings and fan 80 men. :- ) Relievers CAN be on the brink of jelling, and some GM's can call those shots.
Tyler Walker is a good litmus test for Zduriencik's feel for player talent.

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M-Pops's picture

If what Sandy posits as Z's plan for the offseason is true - purging entiltled loseritis - I am extremely excited! Trading/releasing Washburn/Silva would be moves that would be in line with this plan.
There may be something to be said about "contract equity" on a team. One aspect of the civics roster construction is that it lends itself more to eqaulity among players than the "stars and scrubs" strategy.
Equality is extremely important to the overall success of any group or society, but I would imagine it is even more important to a professional baseball team because of the amount of time they share over a full season.
It would be interesting to see a list of teams broken down by "contract equity" and see how they have performed relative to their Pythag.
My guess would be that the teams with smaller average differences in salary among players would be the ones outperforming their pythag.

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Taro's picture

The problem Sandy is that you're comp'ing great releivers to a guy who is barely above replacement level. IF Walker takes that jump, then yes hes a great sign (thats the KEY though).
I don't buy him as closer insurance. His performance in clutch situations has been bad, and his overall Save% isn't even that good. In fact hes BLOWN his last 5 save opportunities.
Batista has actually performed better as a releiver, so I don't like the idea of signing Walker as closer insurance at all. As a potential breakout candidate he IS interesting, and we'll see if Z sees something in him that others haven't.
He needs to break out, if he doesn't hes a DFA candidate considering our depth in "roogie" type bullpen arms. Its a low risk signing so its not a big deal, but the key is how Z views this signing. If he sees a guy that could potentially break out, then ok, it makes sense. If hes looking at him as closer insurance, then I don't like it at all.

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misterjonez's picture

Great post all around, Sandy. I agree somewhat with taro about the caliber of a guy like Walker compared to prime Remlinger/Hammond, but your point is still sound. Throw enough spaghetti at the wall and you'll get something to stick, and occasionally it'll stick OUT.

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It seems to me that short-arming leads to poor command. Just try out at home the throwing motion you see in the picture: shoulders square towards the batter but the ball way behind your head. It's not comfortable to me and doesn't feel very conducive to accuracy. If that's the case then Walker probably won't be able to take a jump forward in command without changing his motion. Sherrill also has a problem throwing strikes. He's so effective against lefties because they go fishing for his slider way out of the zone. It doesn't look like there is much upside with Walker.

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I agree yet again.
1. Short-arming absolutely reduces the connection between your CG -- your weight transfer -- and your arm.
2. As you point out, Sherrill is one of the many short-armers who have command issues.
When we speak of pitchers with great command, the first thing we ask for is balance and a delivery that is harmonious from belly button to fingertips.
Would tend to agree that Walker and Sherrill have about maxed out, but those levels of abilities (respectively) are nothing to sneeze at...

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Eh, they aren't actually very good. Our view of Sherrill is distorted because he was spotted against lefties as a Mariner. But once he was made closer and had to face a balance of hitters, his ERA balooned to 4.73 with a WHIP of 1.50. They really are merely situational guys.

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Oh, I wouldn't undersell them that hard.
Sherrill for his career has 196 strikeouts in 181 innings -- and that's with more righties faced than lefties.
I don't say he's Tug McGraw, but George Sherrill can pitch. He's a high-strikeout guy with more BB's than you'd prefer. He's white-knuckle, but he's better than average.

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Taro's picture

Sherrill is a much better pitcher than Walker, but I'd have to agree that '08 may have exposed him a bit (Although even in '08 he was almost worth a full 1 WAR).
I thought he'd dominate in similar fashion to his '06 and '07 seasons as a closer, but it just didn't happen. I'll try not to get fooled by that skillset next time..you've gotta have Guardado esque command to pull that off.

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Sandy - Raleigh's picture

A note on Sherrill -- he was "exposed" *AFTER* he had been pitching for Baltimore for 3 months. His first half, he was great.
My point is that Seattle has had a strong track record in regards to bullpen performance. What if it is not simply that Sherrill was spotted against lefties in Seattle -- what if it was Sherrill was *IN* Seattle. That the park and/or coaches, and/or defensive philosophy for relievers in Seattle was just vastly superior to Baltimore? With the exception of the uber-talented strikeout machines, Baltimore in recent years has seemed to be the place where formerly decent bullpen arms go to die.
If Sherrill can leave Seattle and become Ty Walker -- is it REALLY that much of a stretch to think that Walker might have some hope of coming to Seattle and become Sherrill to some degree?
Personally, I think the 2007 bullpen for Seattle had massively suspect control all over the place, but they managed to succeed anyway.
Walker doesn't have to pull a Chris Hammond to have value. What if the Seattle arm-trust can make Walker just "slightly" better? After all, it's not like San Fran has a stellar rep for developing bullpen arms. They typically buy expensive closers, and watch them fall apart. (I think their last multi-year closer success was Nen - whose career ended abruptly after his age 32 43-save season).

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Taro's picture

Actually Sherrill was lucky in the first half. Even in '08 he was about over 3 times more valuable than Walker.
Still, if Walker can get better ya I agree it'd make sense.

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