Don't Look Back, Something May Be Gaining On You

Flip:  The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, as good-guy Ronny rips along at .132/.185/.250. 

25 strikeouts and 4 walks, despite the cut-down swing, has the ref stepping in for another standing 8-count.  Stop da fight. 

The Mariners just claimed an infielder off waivers.

Chop:  You might get a chuckle out of this Jan. 28 SSI take on the Aaron Heilman trade.   Heilman was dealt for "just the kind of player the Mariners should be acquiring."  Definitely, if your goal is to get relegated so that you can stomp the league below yours.

D-O-V's position, day of trade, was that Cedeno was a writeoff.  Let's close this one out :- )

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To be fair, Aaron Heilman has had a mediocre first half, and much to my amazement, Don Wakamatsu has somehow wrung champagne out of a turnip in the late innings.   And, admittedly, Aaron Heilman's personality is nothing like Cedeno's or Olson's.  Capt Jack had a big job to do, in overhauling the ballclub's chemistry.  In retrospect, I don't blame him for prioritizing chemistry over talent.   The dry rot had to be torn out and fresh lumber laid in.  He's done that masterfully.

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But the D-O-V shtick doesn't shy away from the far edge of the tree limb.  The limb here, coming into 2009, was that Ronny Cedeno had absolutely no chance to help the Mariners.  A 62 OPS bat in the National League isn't going to suddenly become a respectable stick in the American League, much less Safeco.

Capt Jack's idea was evidently to overhaul the attitude, to press Betancourt, and Cedeno helped do that.   But as our assessment was uncompromising then, so it is now:  cut Ronny Cedeno.

He seems like a good guy, and he did his part in the 180-degree culture reversal.  He'll hang around the bigs for a long time, I betcha.  My guess is, in the NL as a 4th infielder, and he may get a couple of fulltime seasons.

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San-Man aptly challenged us, when does Betancourt cease to be a prospect.  My $0.02 is, a while ago.  If I could get a no-hit glove wizard for SS and powerflush the incumbent, I'd do it yesterday.

Is Josh Wilson the kind of waterbug-with-a-cannon that can hold down a defensive infield by himself?  Sure doesn't look like it to me.  His value may be at org level, i.e. he positions some Rainier to replace Cedeno.

Is that SS out there, the one who could enable Capt Jack to flip Beltre and go bat-first at 3B as Cool Papa says.  I'm sure he is, but have no idea who.  Maybe JFro could help us out.

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FLIP:  Endy Chavez with possible ligament damage.

CHOP:  Hate to see it.  Poor guy had it rolling as a key part of the M's battle for the division.

Again, D-O-V's position on Chavez is that he can be a VERY nice bench player in the 200/250 AB mold.  Glove specialists who can steal you a base, those guys can help you win.  And in Safeco the glove specialist in the OF is a very, very effective choice for 4th outfield.

But let's take a breath. "Nice bench players" don't matter that much.  Not unless they're Mark McLemore or Tony Phillips.  Endy is a crowd favorite, he's a poster boy for a lot of the debates, he's been doing a good job, but -- he's a backup outfielder.  Swapping out your backup OF isn't like trading Jarrod Washburn.

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Glove men CAN help in spots -- when you have flyball pitchers like Washburn, and when you match them up against their favorite pitchers, and when you need to protect a lead, and when you need to pinch-run.

Those things help, but are not indispensable!  Having a quality speed burner OF on the bench is not make-or-break.  Few managers think that late-inning defensive replacements are high priorities.

My own opinion is that in terms of impact to the club, losing your glove specialist isn't a big deal.   Of course, on a personal level, Endy deserves the chance to play with this team.   Endy makes a whale of a lot more money than I do (though perhaps a tad less than Adam Dunn and Raul Ibanez do).

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In terms of the impact to the Mariners, It's a little inconvenient to see the glove man go, but that may now open up *two* spots for those wallbangin' Rainiers.  Endy's and maybe Wlad's if he doesn't show something pretty soon.

If the fallout from this is that Carp and Saunders/Clement/whoever help put some runs on the scoreboard, even with Griff or Carp in LF, then .... I know I sound like a jerk for saying it, but objectively speaking, the swapout may be the M's best chance to get better and contend this summer.

My $0.02,

Jeff

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Taro's picture

I've got to agree here on all points...
I was never high on Cedeno at all despite his flukish BABIP driven AAA numbers. Hes an easy cut.
I don't want to get too giddy about the Chavez injury...but hey, if gets Saunders up here its a good thing for the long-term outlook of the club.
Griffey just popped a mid 90s outside fastball into the seats so he moves back into the regular lineup for now to see if he can keep this up. I'm not even opposed to throwing him in LF and Carp at DH for now. Do the Weaver lineup, get the bats going, and then throw your regular lineup back out there again once the bats come alive.

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The problem I have with this Mariner roster...there's no good solution to some of the line-up issues.
Calling up Saunders leaves Carp without a job...Griffey is just starting to heat up and he has to play...there's no need for him in left if Saunders is up so he plugs the DH slot.  Calling up Clement doesn't help unless he can catch, which he can't.
I think step one is choosing either Carp or Saunders and platooning them with Balentien.  Griffey is my starting DH and if he platoons with anyone it is certainly NOT Mike Sweeney, who needs to be DFA'd immediately.  Call up Chris Shelton...maybe he'll provide a spark against the lefties.  Moving Branyan to third would be a spectacularly stupid thing to do right now...Beltre is still one of our better hitters and our only credible defender on the infield, and despite protestations to the contrary, it is not a flyball rotation...only Vargas and Washburn are flyball guys.  Morrow is neutral once his command improves and Felix and Bedard are groundball pitchers.  Now if Olson takes Morrow's rotation spot once Bedard returns...then we need to worry more about the outfield than the infield. :)
My roster, as of today, would be:
C) Rob Johnson (like it or not, he's helping the pitching staff a LOT)1B) Russell Branyan2B) Jose Lopez (after his berievement period...I hope he will be OK)3B) Adrian BeltreSS) Cesar Izturis (call the Orioles and offer them some pittance...I don't honestly care what)LF) Mike CarpCF) Franklin GutierrezRF) Ichiro SuzukiDH) Ken Griffey Jr.
OF4) Wlad BalentienMIF) Oswaldo Navarro (yes, really...best defensive middle infielder in the system)BC) Jeff Clement if he can do it at all, Adam Moore otherwiseBAT) Chris SheltonGLOVE) Jerry Owens
SP1) Felix HernandezSP2) Erik Bedard / Garrett Olson til he gets backSP3) Jarrod WashburnSP4) Brandon MorrowSP5) Jason Vargas
CL) David AardsmaSUR) Mark LoweSUL) Garrett Olson / Ryan Rowland-Smith til Bedard gets backMR) Sean WhiteMR) Miguel BatistaMR) Chris Jakubauskas
This is not a team in dire need of a 7-man bullpen despite the lack of comfort Wok expresses with the concept.  This is a team in need of moveable parts and reliever swith rubber arms (*cough* Jak/Batista/Olson *cough*).

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OBF's picture

Seriously.  And after glancing at Woodward the last game (and his carreer .675 mlb OPS, which would place him sixth on the entire team right now incidentally) I think that the answer has been right under our nose this whole time.  I would install Mike Morse and Woodward in a platooning situation at SS for the rest of the year, defense be darned.  It isn't like Morse would be much worse than Yuni defensively anyways, and Woodward is an upgrade with the glove AND the bat.
Also don't forget that the Heilman trade was for OLSEN and Cedeno, NOT Cedeno and Olsen, that order is important.  Cedeno was the throw in NOT Olsen!  And while you may not be super high on Olsen, some people are :)  I see Olsen as a prime candidate to pull a good couple of #3 like seasons out of his hat as soon as he figures out how to throw his fastball with a little more control.  Lefties who throw 90/91 with a plus change and a plus slider do NOT grow on trees.  He IS what we were hoping RRS could be, that is if RRS hadn't misplace a mph or 5 ;)
I HATE to see guys get hurt, seriously that just sucks, especially when it is because of poor on field communication.  It may be unfair, and it may not be his fault, but this is just one more black mark against Yuni.  Maybe it was Endy's fault for not pulling up, but since I already don't care for Yuni it is easy for me to lay blame at his feet on this one.  Since Carp is already here, and since Saunders has only just gotten his first sip of AAA coffee and is currently in a slump I platoon Griff, Wlad and Carp in a LF/DH trio, leaving Sweeny out in the cold most of the time.  He can stay on the team, but the other three players will be getting the bulk of the playing time.  Both Carp and Griff need some time against lefties.  Carp to see if he can hit mlb lefties (no reason to just assume he can't) and Griff to prove that he can still hit lefties.

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Morse and Woodward are both right handed.  So I'm lost as to how they could be platoon buddies.
They're also both horribly ill-equipped to play short at this point in their careers...they might actually be worse than Yuni.
I wouldn't mind seeing Woodward get some of the SS PT, but I really think we should be looking for someone who can add 3-4 wins in the field alone...a great defensive shortstop.

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OBF's picture

I simply meant that they should split time.  At least until one of them really took over the reigns at SS.
Anyways I thought Cedeno WAS a great SS or did you like the Pokey Reese experiment better?  Forget uber d if they can't at least OPS 650 then they are no good to any one Omar or not!
Woodward certainly brouhgt his htting shoes with him from Tacoma what is he 5 for 8 getting on base or something?
And he would definitely be an upgrade defensively over YuBet.  Yeah he wouldn't be all world there but he would be at least average and if he brought a semi useful bat to the party as well then he would be a big upgrade over the black hole we currently have playing SS (his double tonight being the exception not the norm :) )
As for Morse sure his defense it cruddy but it would be no worse than Yuni's and he probably wouldn't be running into any out fielders :)  He offese would certainly be a BIG upgrade over Yuni's.
So like I said if this was my team to run Cedeno would be history and Mike and Chris would battle it out for starting SS and utility man.
P.S.  Doc the stupid Captcha thing says I type it in wrong all the time even though I am sure I am typing it in correctly, either I REALLY suck at those things or there is a bug in the system.

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