Chat: 9/7/15 1:32am
Chat: 9/7/15 1:32am
Shouts
<p>Whew, looks like Edgar is staying though, per Divish:</p>
<p>Edgar Martines, Chris Woodward, Chris Prieto will return for next season</p>
<p>— Ryan Divish (@RyanDivish) October 9, 2015</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - Browns8625 - 10/10/15 2:43pm<br>Edgar deserved and earned the stay</div>
<p>Bat... what about, well, Bats? It was all our batters in the minors falling on their faces that was so disheartening, did they turn it around in the 2nd half as well? Any standouts?</p>
<p>Oh Boy.... Looks like Lloyd is out as Manager... I have to say I am kind of surprised... but kind of not... Who would be on your guys' short list for new Manager???</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - Browns8625 - 10/10/15 2:45pm<br>Didn't get a lot of time, but I hated him.. good question on what now though..cuz if your options are not any better than it is what it is</div>
<p>Admin - the site is chewing up 50% CPU time on a quad-core Intel i5. And then it won't let me edit to format a bit. Any fixes coming?</p>
<p>I'm feeling encouraged by the minor league stats, particularly 2nd half in the lower minors. There's a real Kiddie Korps down there.<br />
Daniel Missaki missed most of the year with TJ, but is only 19.5 years old. Add Luiz Gohara (19.2), Nick Neidert (18.9), Nick Wells (19.6), Dylan Thompson (19.1), Zack Littell (20.0), and Jio Orozco (18.1) and there's some talent supported by performance on the way.<br />
Then in the drinking class, there's Andrew Moore (21.3), Tyler Pike (21.7), Edwin Diaz (21.5), Jake Brentz (21.1), and Anthony Misiewicz (21.0). That's a dozen guys with a real chance to be starters if they can keep it up. Even if 25% pan out, that's a new Cerberus not too far ahead.<br />
The system had a poor start this year, just as the Ms themselves did. But it looks like the farm system is not completely bereft, and a fresh development team might be able to get a good harvest yet.</p>
<p>Couple of posts in the hopper ... just waiting for it to carousel around and post ... thanks homies...</p>
<p>With the slit experiment, a light photon is in two places at once until someone watches it. And who counts as someone? If a #Dog were watching, would the light photon choose a side? What about recording the event makes a difference on what happened? This takes the whole world that I thought I knew and throws it in the garbage.</p>
<p>yes...that post hurt my brain muchly...so...more please! I like a challenge.</p>
<p>I would be up for a Konspiracy Korner, but I'm still trying to think about the slit experiment. That has bothered me for about three weeks.</p>
<p>I would be up for a Konspiracy Korner, but I'm still trying to think about the slit experiment. That has bothered me for about three weeks.</p>
<p>sorry to those whose heads I've hurt with my admittedly dense shouts...LOL...as I'm now at a loss for how to proceed, I'll spare the crowd any further torment</p>
<p>Per MLBTR, Ted Simmons has been removed from his position in the M's front office. <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/hisashi-iwakuma-three-year-deal.html" target="_parent">http://www.mlbtrader...</a></p>
<p>Your shouts hurt my brain, Matt</p>
<p>A rumination: how often does the best batter in the big leagues "beat" the worst pitcher in the big leagues? What are the odds of the best batter in the game reaching base (generating a positive run expectancy added) in that situation? The way I have the Elo function scripted right now, I am setting those odds at roughly 64%, which seems reasonable to me. Run expectancy is a measure of the typical number of runs that will score given the starting base/out state, so it already accounts for the probability of reaching base (which is significantly different from 0.5)...this allows us to get a 50/50 frame of reference even though #Baseball is not symmetrical in this way...what ends up happening is that successes are worth more than failure costs (outs are worth an average of -0.25 to -0.29 runs while even a walk is worth +0.35 runs on average and the typical homer is worth +1.4 runs). The problem, as I see it, with Elo for #Baseball, is that the difference between failing and succeeding is too small to create a large gap between the great players and the bad ones - this lack of separation is reflected in the seasonal Elo ratings themselves...and thus, we cannot measure player performance against "better" or "worse" competition and see patterns.</p>
<p>sigh...discovered my results from yesterday were based on a typo in my MATLAB code...today's findings, which have been cross-checked, are far less encouraging. Inherent problem: not getting enough rating spread between players for the Elo ratings to have much of an impact on the scoring of each play. #Baseball plays don't tend to be unambiguous wins or losses often enough to generate much of a score at any one time. So...going to have to consider other elo scoring options.</p>
<p>I have a theory I'm testing today that may explain why, when relievers are included, the pitching correlations go down generally, and specifically are lower in the highly-leveraged relief pitching era and why hitting Elo doesn't seem to add any value - it may be that weighting events by leverage index is a bad idea...it may be that Elo picks up on real differences in a player's ability to perform against higher levels of competition (or inability at such), but that leveraging the events to try to capture "clutch" performance is messing up my ability to see it. So I'm rerunning Elo calculations today with leverage index removed. Will let you folks know what I find.</p>
<p>Ditty-bopping I got from former AccuWeather forecaster Joe Bastardi, in case anyone is curious about where I picked that phrase up...I believe it traces its origins to a dance #Style that involved hopping back and forth from foot to foot...I looked it up once. But I think it's a perfect description of random oscillation / movement in data.</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - PickeringPast - 10/6/15 8:36pm<br>I first (and last?) heard the term ditty bopping while in the military in the 1960's. It was used to refer to a type of walk deemed to street, too loose for the military. It suggested moving in ways Lieutenant Scheiscopp (sp?) in Catch 22 would not approve.</div><div class="indented">Reply - SABR Matt - 10/7/15 6:09am<br>That's funny...I use a lot of out-of-date or rarely-seen lingo in my everyday language though...I like words and enjoy my entire vocabulary. :D</div>
<p>early result of paired player correlation trials...I've examined every two-season pairing for players with at least 100 PA of PBP data in any two consecutive seasons, comparing the Elo rating they would expect to receive based on the mean of their linear-weight generated batter winning percentages with the Elo rating they actually received in both seasons in the pair and correlating them. I find no significant relationship for batters, but a VERY significant relationship for pitchers. The typical r-value for hitting pairs was 0.1 and ditty-bopped as low as -0.05 and as high as 0.25 from season to season. But for pitchers, the typical value was 0.4 and it didn't ditty-bop much at all, except in a multidecadal pattern that peaked around 0.5 in and around 1973 and declined to around 0.25 today. If I exclude player pairs for pitchers where, in either season, they failed to face at least 400 hitters (so I'm mostly looking at starters), the multidecadal trend disappears entirely, and the R values increase to consistently above 0.5. This implies that leverage index is not the cause of the significant relationship at all, and that the strong relationship is more likely due to real skill either in clutch performance or in performance against better competition.</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - anonymous - 10/6/15 6:01pm<br>Thanks for posting, Matt. Sounds compelling. Wish I could spare the time to help you on this, but I enjoy reading about your work.
Also, ditty-bopping is a great term I've never heard in this context. Could come from the style of dance, as in the numbers dancing with high variance, or from the urban dictionary definition of 'the way you walk,' like a random walk. Both are suitable visuals of what is happening!</div>
<p>Have successfully completed an alternate method for computing Elo ratings for #Baseball players by plate appearance level data...switched from a direct batting winning percentage calculation to a "winning percentage" that is based on run expectancy added as a percentage of the maximum that can be added or subtracted given a starting base/out state and this seems to produce more balanced results. Have just finished testing the correlation between basic offensive metrics and batting/pitching Elo scores (the drift from average rating per plate appearance in the database), and found that Elo does not correlate TOO perfectly with normal batting stats (an R value of, say, 0.9 would suggest that I'm not adding any value beyond surface batting stats, an R value of 0.2 would suggest that I'm not measuring any sort of skill...I'm getting R values in the 0.65-0.7 range). I am now testing whether the difference between a player's Elo rating and what you would expect based on his batter winning percentage is predictive from year to year (that is to say...whether Elo is measuring a real secondary skill (beyond simple offensive or pitching performance) or whether it is just adding random noise).</p>
<p>His nickname is JeDi, DaddyO...Angels fans already coined it...and it is good.</p>
<div class="indented">Reply - DaddyO - 10/6/15 11:23am<br>JeDi. I like it.</div>
<p>Excellent point, SammySoso, wondering how DiPo (an attempt at at nickname, gotta have one for the newGM, right?) views the catcher position. Clearly the M's have for years coveted offense (unsuccessfully) but prioritized defense (mostly successfully) behind the plate. With Zunino the ultimate question mark with high upside but obvious downside if he doesn't figure things out swinging the bat, DiPo is faced with a difficult decision. He has to allow a path for Zunino's return to starting should he figure things out. But is there any real reason to believe he will figure it out early enough next year? DiPo has a number of issues to address and limited resources, how much of those resources does he expend on the catcher position?</p>
<p>But OF can be mixed and matched, and I expect it to. I am deeply concerned about catcher and what happens if Zunino is lost. He needs a capable veteran timeshare. I like A.J. Pierzynski if he's ready to move into that role, but he may still see himself as a starter, and his 2015 should make him coveted to do just that for a team in need of a stopgap until a prospect is ready. I guess it would be nice to glean Dipoto's stance on offense from C, and if he follows the existing mantra of defense first, and whatever he can do at the plate is icing on the cake.</p>
<p>I'm with Matt. In fact, put me down as in favor of Smith as part of a LF platoon, with probably Guti. (It seems LF is their solution to keeping him healthy, and if that's what it takes, that's most important) Scanning the TradeRumors list of OF free agents, it's very lefty-dominated. I think you try to bring in a RH OF to compete with Kivlehan, Romero, and O'Malley (I'm not sold that a utliity spot is his to lose) and pair with Miller. You might swap 1-for-1 in favor of more athleticism, but there is no minor system to afford Dipoto much trade wiggle room. Athleticism and CF/RF means maybe - again, scanning the list: Rajai Davis? Ryan Raburn? Torii Hunter? Things not to like about all of them, but on a minor league contract, I'd like to see who wins a role in a rotating OF situation.</p>
<p>FYI, I put a brief article up in the #Football section. Nothing brilliant, just my reaction to the game last night.</p>
<p>If we trade Smith, I'll be totally shocked. Dipoto really likes him. Miller and Gutierrez can be had for a cheap RF platoon, O'Malley is your UTL and can back up on the infield against righties while playing LF against lefties. Trumbo should be the 1B, but it is possible that Dipoto will prefer to spend that #Money on Morrison plus a better CFer or relief help.</p>
<p>That's where I am, Matt. Mostly because I think that's the way the M's will operate. I love Pompey, but #Toronto is probably not going to cut a guy like that lose without us ponying up large pitching talent. A guy like Jay is a great fit, then. MId-level $ and likely swapable. I have been pretty confident that the M's will let Morrison go in favor of Trumbo at 1B, but I am less sure today, for some reason. I wouldn't be surprised at a Morrison/Montero deal in '16 now. And I won't be too surprised if the only returning OF starter of ours is Miller, with Cruz going to DH. I"m not sure we don't trade Smith. I don't see BOTH Miller and Smith in COF spots. For the past 4 seasons, Smith has OPS'ed .521, .621, .744, .571 against LHP. in '14 and '15, Miller was .542 and .513. Keeping them both with platoon pards consumes a bunch of lineup space, unless a utility guy like O'Malley is one of the platoon guys. You're going to keep an O'Malley-ish guy up anyway. Of course, you could keep Cruz in RF but I'm not sensing that is the way DiPoto wants to go. Flores doesn't seem to have much of a split differential and neither does Kivlehan.Guys like that might get a look, being "athletic" and all.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don't think it makes sense for us to get expensive contracts this off-season other than, perhaps a high priced closer. I think Dipoto needs to work on depth, not make the roster even more top-heavy.</p>
<p>I saw a comment in a Times story from someone that was at the season ticket holder meeting with Dipoto. Per this anonymous source, Dipoto said something to the effect that the club would not be pursuing big name free agents this off season.</p>