Konspiracy Korner: Jeremy Lane
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Q.  Does Jeremy Lane get a pass?  Or is our 'recreational outrage' reserved for the 49ers?

A.  I don't know that I'd characterize the SSI Kaepernick thread as overly emotional or motivated by indulgence.  Seems more like intelligent discourse to me, responsibly carried out.

My own reaction to Jeremy Lane was just about the same as it was to Colin Kaepernick.  Mostly, a roll of the eyes.  There's a difference with Kaepernick, though.  He has quite a bit of history, though, and chooses a pivotal moment (for him and the 49ers) to be controversial.  Milton Bradley was a Mariner and I'd have regarded him as having burned a lot more of his political capital than (say) Taijuan Walker has.

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For sure there are police who adapt bully mentalities and wade out into the fray looking for a chance to crack heads.  Such police, when they commit crimes, deserve long prison sentences.  Such as the time Rudy Giuliani prosecuted one of his own NY cops for assaulting a black man with a nightstick and got him a 25-year prison sentence, which the ex-policeman is currently serving.  And Guiliani had the entire precinct fired over that incident!  From the top down, police on the street need a clear message that policies and procedures are important.  My impression is that the vast majority ARE very careful about this.

It has been pointed out, Yes, American soldiers commit crimes, as Iraqi soldiers do.  The difference is, when we find out about it, we prosecute.  We've got different ideals.

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But my question with the BLM-style "keep the white cops from shooting our young black men" agenda is, Why not, at the same time, deal with the far more prevelant black-on-black violence?  At the current time, a Chicago citizen is shot and murdered every 14 hours - rarely shot by the police and even more rarely, in a police-on-citizen "murder" case that holds up in court.

So why the hyper-shrill focus on only those incidents that are (say) 1-5% of the real problem?  The BLM-style protests come off to many citizens, including me, as "Agitate against the police and be divisive" Matters than it comes off as "let's actually do something to better the lives of young black men."  THIS comes off as the recreational outrage.  Granted, when Colin Kaepernick donates $1M to community causes, it buys him a lot of credibility.

Jeremy Lane wants to point his finger at white cops and call them the big problem in racial relations in 2016.  He doesn't say anything about the mobs in the streets chanting "What do we want?  Dead cops!  When do we want them?  Now!"  And why doesn't Lane comment on that?  Because this is not an attempt to solve problems in an even-handed and systemic way. 

Based on this type of one-sided agitation, I roll my eyes and consider Jeremy Lane part of the problem much more than he is part of the solution.

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What is the real fix?  Maybe the problem is not lack of attention to the issue; how exactly are we supposed to pay any more attention to this than we're doing now?!  And maybe the problem is also not a too-low level of tension between races.  

Maybe the real fix is more along the lines of cell phone cameras and real prosecution where real crimes are committed.  Maybe the fix is along the lines of, if a crime is committed, press charges and bring evidence.  Oh, wait.  Everybody does have a camera, and I missed the part where an epidemic of court cases blossomed.  SO much easier to claim there's a genocidal epidemic than to simply YouTube it to everyone's satisfaction.

Jeremy Lane's fix for white-cop-on-black-male violence is greater visibility for the issue.  :: shrug :: Maybe he's right; maybe if we yell at each other a little louder, things will get better.  But while we do that, I would also be interested to know what his suggestions are, if any, to deal with black-on-black crime.

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Hope that answers the (mostly fair) question.  I think that most of the BLM-style protests are coming from a place that is not helpful.  Kaepernick had dug himself a deep hole before he ever joined in, but he's also climbed a fair way out of it.  I wasn't especially annoyed with either man in the first place, but am definitely concerned about where race relations are going in America.

My two cents.

Respectfully,

Jeff

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I don’t wear this on my sleeve so I didn’t mention it in the Kaepernick thread. During my military time, I spent some time on the post Honor Guard. I’ve carried enough flag draped coffins and watched enough devastated widows clutch the folded flag like it was the last lifejacket in the middle of the pacific to know using the flag to protest is just cruel. Survivors of those lost don’t just look at the flag as the symbol of our nation they see it as the symbol of lost loved ones. It’s the equivalent of protesting by stomping on kittens.

If a group of athletes decided use their free speech rights to salute the flag with a chest thump, straight-arm palm down salute would we say the upset relatives of Holocaust victims were engaging in “recreational outrage”?

There are an infinite number of ways to draw attention to a cause without bringing the flag into it.

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I think of the POW survivors in WWII, what they went through, and the few who survived to present a salvaged flag with a salute to their liberating superior officers.  I can't imagine how the C.O.'s brought themselves to salute the POW's back.

Great last line, Auto5Guy.  Thing is, in some places (not on SSI, but elsewhere) that's the very essence of the point, that humankind should think less of the American flag than those POW's did.  Anti-Americanism is the nature of the debate very often, though it's often more implied than overt.  And it's nice that Kaepernick clarified that he loves his country.

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The college kids tend to argue that --- > some time, some where, there was the first cop who bullied the first 'inner city' youth and that's how the bullets started flying.  So let the police be the ones to fix it, or we (the youth) set things right by any means necessary.

Thing is, without any evidence, I sympathize with this point and might even stipulate it as a given.  No doubt in the 1960's the violence flowed almost completely from blue lives to black lives. 

Where modern police racism is indeed institutionalized, it should be punished harshly.  

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The flaw in the "you drew first blood" paradigm is this, however:  when (not if) a jerk in a blue uniform pulls me over, he's in authority over me and I'm the one who needs to cooperate.  It's my job to get along with him, not the other way around, because society has agreed on that.  

It wouldn't matter if his grandfather billy-clubbed my grandfather.  Society has given this new policeman, not me, a badge.  If it didn't want him to have one, that was society's choice.

If today's police officer is truly a Gestapo type, looking to hurt a cooperative citizen, then he's risking a lot in our society.  He's got a lot of cameras on him these days, and our court system is basically functional.

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Give us concrete ways to solve problems. more accountability, body cams, for example. The American people are reasonable. We want a better police, while understanding it is a very difficult job. But these generic protests to protest fuzzy, generalized problems and complaints? Not very helpful. 

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an extension of a concept that will be quite familiar to baby boomers: Marxism.  More specifically, it appears that large swaths of my generation have come up with a variation specific to this bizarre and utterly destructive social force: Cultural Marxism.

I'm far from a scholar, but my understanding of the theory goes something like this: the proletariat and the bourgeoise which Marx described are the paradigm into which victims and oppressors are most easily fit in order to achieve fast, effective penetration into a person's mind.  So the remedies suggested (implied?) by Marx are then applied to every other instance of oppression, real or otherwise.  In today's terms, that seems to drive people to gut the oppressors of their power, make them supplicate before their former victims, and keep them submissive lest they resume their previous oppressive policies.

Naturally, there are a few assumptions one has to accept in order for this Marxism angle to be revealed most clearly, chief among those assumptions being a significant power disparity between a relatively few elite and a relatively many sub-elite.  Again, I'm not a scholar but I am a reasonably smart person who spends a lot of time thinking and learning about this kind of stuff.  It's probaly my number one hobby these last few years.

The whole paradigm, however, rests on maintaining--or even ADVANCING--the total victimhood of the oppressed group.  If the oppressed are no longer viewed as legitimate victims then they lose their impetus, mandate, and moral high ground for persisting in the class war.  This is where a concept called 'intersectionality' has bubbled up in the last coupld decades of grievance/victim politics.

Christina Hoff Sommers, a long-time ally of Camille Paglia and resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, just had an interview posted in Psychology Today where she discusses, in the context of modern feminism, subjects like: victimhood/grievance politics, intersectionality (the idea that, essentially, the more Oppression Points a person has, the greater their mandate and moral authority to impose change upon the system which they perceive to be oppressing them), and a few other factors which in her view are wholly destructive forces in the quest for true equality between the sexes.  But much of what she talks about could just as easily be applied to race, ethnicity, nationality, or any other quality which might be employed in this Cultural Marxism machine that genuinely seems aimed at undoing Western Civilization as we know it.  The link is below.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/more-mortal/201609/is-modern-academic-feminism-harming-women

I enjoy Christina Hoff Sommers' work greatly, but I wouldn't have found her without Doc's linkage to Camille Paglia's Salon articles.  The above article seemed to touch on some of this stuff, so I thought I'd link it.

In short: the idea of addressing or even acknowledgint the reality of black-on-black crime would only lead to a better understanding of the reality of crime in large tracts of black communities, and that better understanding would probably negate a significant portion of the 'Victim Points' currently enjoyed by the community (or its leaders--I genuinely don't know enough about the specifics to comment on whether this is more grassroots or leader-driven behavior).  So instead of being open to new information which accurately describes the situation, the leaders (who I have no idea whether or not this is conscious or subconscious) reflexively and categorically deny any evidence or information which doesn't fit their narrative.  It's hard to whip up an angry mob when they're well-informed on the matters at hand--just ask Thomas Jefferson about whether a well-informed populace can be trusted with its own governance.

Anyway, just one more data point to toss on the scales.

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*Outside of SSI* it would be hard to find anybody who was open to your argument.  Point-by-point, though, if we didn't see at least SOME parallels between previous Marxist revolutions, and the anti-Americanism component of today's debate, I'd say we weren't learning much from history.

Same playbook can apparently be run any number of times.  If you transplanted children to a desert island, it would only take one generation for them to be back to Square One, trying to invent fire and the wheel.  We forget the lessons of just 50 years ago, much less of 1917 or any previous time.

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The murder capitals of the United States in no particular order are Chicago, Camden, Baton Rouge, St. Louis and Detroit.  Chicago had thirteen murders this weekend.  Like Doc said, police violence is 5 percent of the problem.  The biggest problems are young inner city mostly black men shooting each other, and bystanders, and other people who look like their enemies for inconsequential reasons. 

I imagine that police in that sort of environment are often put in a few very sticky situations.  Some police probably also become jaded and mean after a few too many gun battles.  Here's some questions:

Given the current bad press, how is an inner city police department to recruit good police officers?  

What does an inner city war zone turn police officers into?

What incentive do police officers have to do good work or enter into dangerous or sticky situations?

How does a city break out of this cycle of violence?

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