Ackley and Ethier

Spec found a recent player he comps to Dustin Ackley...

... In terms of tons of hits and walks with hardly any strikeouts.  It was in 2005:

23 G, 82 AB, 30 H, 7 dbl, 3 tpl, 2 HR, 21 BB, 10 K

.366/.495/.598/1.093

The very next year in the bigs:

396 AB, 122 H, 20 dbl, 7 tpl, 11 HR, 34 BB, 77 K -- .308/.365/.477

Career MLB: 124 OPS+, .291/.363/.491

It's Andre Ethier of the Dodgers.

Of course, Ack's AFL season is better, with 8 dbls, 4 HR and 23 walks in only 18 games, and he's 4-for-4 on stolen bases.  And playing a tougher defensive position.  And it goes on.

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=== Joe D, Dept. ===

I have an inkling for Spec's "tons of hits and walks with hardly any strikeouts."  We have a tendency to judge hitters based on RC/27, or OPS, or ::shudder:: wOBA ... but as The Founding Father says, baseball is about the strike zone.

Not often you simply ask, who were the guys with EYE over 2.00?  And who hit for power and stuff?

Simply I like Spec's turn of phrase.  That's all.

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Many years ago, when baseball people were dumb as bricks, they used to admire batters who hit the ball hard and who never struck out...

DiMaggio had five seasons in which he homered more frequently than he struck out.  Think about trying to pitch to him.

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=== Ethier ===

Quickly became a LH hitter (like Ackley) with 40 doubles (like Ackley) and 20 homers (like Ackley, hopefully) who has posted a 130 OPS (which Ackley would exceed with BB's if he panned out).

Ron Shandler is very excited about Ethier's potential to do even more.  For example, in the 2H of 2009, Ethier did this:

  • .337 AVG
  • .415 OBP
  • .597 SLG
  • Despite only 25 homers, pro-rated

The key being Ethier's performance vs. left hand pitching.  In the 2H of 2009, Ethier's EYE, CT, etc etc all went wayyyy up vs LHP's.

As G-Money has indicated, Ackley's performance vs LHP's is not yet up to par.  It may be that very factor that becomes the icing on the cake for him, eventually.

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=== Quick Splash ===

In his rookie year, 2006, Ethier slugged .577 in his very first month with the Dodgers.  In his third month, he did better than that.

This is what Ackley's talking about "I'm real comfortable with any pitch in any count."  It's reflected in the huge AFL eye ratio, and can be reflected in being able to deal with confusing ML pitch sequences.

Personally, I swoon away madly in love with Ackley's comment "I'm real comfortable with any pitch in any count."  I like the extension of ki involved.  Too many American hitters go up to the plate demanding easy success.   Japanese hitters think in terms of two people involved in the pitch.

Can't write Ackley into the HOF over the winter, but he sure gives a 101-loss city something to chat about.

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Cheerio,

Dr D

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John's picture

Dr.  love the Ki reference..I printed this out for reference..
 

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Auto5guy's picture

Hey Doc, with your focus on EYE I've been waiting for the reference to Joltin Joe.  I really don't see Ack raking 25+ dingers a year but how many prospects can you even think of breathing their names in the same sentence as the Yankee Clipper?
 
BTW went and looked up DiMaggio again and man that 41 year... in 139 games, 13 strike outs vs 30 home runs. Think I'd die on the spot if someone could pull that off today.

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Auto5guy's picture

Who doesn't love Albert?... oh yeah, pitchers.
 
That was a pretty close ratio he ran that year and in doing so laid out the template for doing it in the modern era.  The home runs have to rise to meet the strike outs and not the other way around.  I don't think we'll ever see the plate discipline of Joltin Joe again.  I wonder if he had dialed back on the power that year if he could have held his strike outs to single digits for the year.

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And it may be that we *shouldn't* see strikeouts fall.
There used to be a social stigma against them, but a hitter probably gets better overall results letting the bat fly.

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...that a big part of the reason DiMag didn't fan back then was that NO ONE fanned back then...right? The strike zone was the size of a feather from a Parakeet...smaller than it is TODAY!...especially side to side...the league average BB/K ratio was 1-ish. the best strikeout pitchers occasionally managed 7 K/9 and the average pitchers were running 3 K, 3 BB lines. If DiMag played today, he would still be a great hitter...but he'd be fanning 60 times a year, not 30

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What was the league K rate in 1941?  Would bet you the K rate is close to double that now, yeah.
Yet Pujols approaches 1:1 HR:K in some seasons; Joltin' Joe put up 30 HR's vs 13 (!) strikeouts n 1941...
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The sportswriters of course went unduly bananas over this K rate ...
Teddy Ballgame had 147 walks vs 27 strikeouts that year... that is letting the count go deep and THEN never missing on a strike-two swing...

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Ted Williams' line is still spectacular on any grounds.  THe league average K/BB today is about 1.9.  Back then, it was 0.9 (literally)...and the walk rate was a tad higher...so if you double the Ks and subtract 10% of the walks from Williams' line, you still get 130 walks and 54 Ks...which is...um...good, right? :)

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Auto5guy's picture

Thats what moves guys up into legendary status, when you can double or halve their stats and still be looking at something really special.  Double DiMaggio's strike outs for that 41 year and you're still only talking 26 strike outs for a season!...from a power hitter.
 
I get why the Doc loves to throw out that James quote about splitting Ricky Henderson in half and having two hall of famers.  It's just fun talking about the guys with alien DNA.

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