Taro on Franklin Gutierrez

Roto-monsta Taro argues against Dr. D's wish for Chavez to get some PT in center field.  The logic being that Franklin Gutierrez is good and Endy Chavez isn't.

We're posting his analysis here, with kibitzing, NOT for the purpose of correcting or debating.  :- ) It's promotoed to front-page because the analysis is worth emphasizing.  My own noodlings are in there just roundtable-style.

Thanks amigo.

Taro sez:

I don’t think Endy Chavez’ streak is going to continue (a guy who I think should be in an OF rotation) and I don’t think hes as good of a fielder or a hitter as Gutierrez. By this logic you would bench Ichiro, Beltre, Lopez, and Griffey too.

Huh!  Okay.  So if Chavez isn't as good a FIELDER as Gutierrez, that does change the conversation.  From the 3rd deck, my impression has been that Chavez is at least as good defensively as F-Goot.  That is nothing more than a first impression, though.

Chavez is a scamper-y little waterbug -- we say it affectionately -- and he can really pick 'em up and lay 'em down.  He's camped, waiting, under deep balls that look like they might fall.

Still, I might have lost sight of the fact that Gutierrez is a ballplayer that you are invested in, and Chavez is an (impressive) 30-something veteran bench player.   You wouldn't have given Cameron's AB's to Willie Bloomquist.

Gutierrez is showing that his BB spike at the end of last year WASN’T a fluke. While the results aren’t there yet the approach is:

10.9 BB%
18.1 O-Swing%
83.6 CT%
17.1 K%
0.71 BB/K
.146 IsoP
18.2 LD%

If you only looked at his OPS line you’d think this is a guy thats struggling at the plate. That just simply isn’t the case.

Will cheerfully admit that early on, Gutierrez' 5/7 eye ratio is encouraging.  That's going in the right direction.

BUT I do have to put an asterisk on it:  a lot of guys have one month's worth of positive BB/K results.  A lot of those early eye ratios will veer as the ballclub faces different pitchers.

Still, 5/7 is headed in the right direction.

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One thing to be aware of: Mike Cameron was destroyed by Safeco. Assuming! that Gutierrez’ component offensive skills — eye ratio, LD%, etc, continue to progress — you’re still left with the prospect of his hard-hit RH balls dying in the gaps.

I don't notice that Gutierrez has been robbed of many hits, do you?  So why is the AVG/OBP/SLG poor despite the strike zone control improving?

Don't get me wrong.  Gutierrez is young and deserves a chance to develop.  But let's be aware too, that Gutierrez could hit the ball well and continue to get poor results in Safeco.

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EVERYTHING is improving. So far early this season hes showing that hes getting better. His been more patient. Hes making more contact. Hes not swinging at bad pitches. Hes hitting for decent power. Hes squaring up the ball better. That .242 BABIP ISN’T going to continue if he keeps hitting like this. The guy HAS been hitting like a legit 800 OPS hitter so far early in the season.

If Gutierrez continues like this hes going to be the current answer to Mike Cameron in his prime. He’d be THE best position player on the team including Ichiro.

Hmmm :-/

If you’re optimistic on Gutierrez, you’re still left with the fact that Chavez is a scrappy LH hitter who can help him out with the tough righties.   Chavez is a nice fit for Safeco Field.

So now I'm torn.

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Taro does remind me that (1) I do like Gutierrez' stroke very well, (2) he is young and early in his development curve, and (3) developmental time should be spent on the players you believe in, rather than on 30-something vets.

:taps chin:

Well, we're not talking about benching Gutierrez here.  We're talking about cutting his AB's back from 550 to 400-450, so that in a pennant race, Chavez can use the lefty hot-groundball approach against the Roy Halladays of the game.

I guess Taro would have talked me into making sure that Chavez' AB's in CF remained the lesser half of the jobshare.  We'll see what Wok thinks as we get into June and Gutierrez is slugging .380.  :- )

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A few things..
-I think Franklin Gutierrez is unquestionably a better fielder than Endy Chavez. Chavez has more raw speed, but Gut's instints and routes to the ball are unreal. Hes Cameron/Andruw Jones good. You look up the numbers in the past by any defensive system out there and hes off the charts.
-Gutierrez won't suffer as much at Safeco since hes an extreme GB hitter unlike Cameron.
-Its true that Gut's hitting could fizzle off and maybe he reverts his past self, but what makes me encouraged about him at the plate is that his progress is CONTINUING from the strides he made at the plate at the end of last year.
I covered that when the trade went down...but you can check it here for yourself:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7644/splits;_ylt=Av6aRUsMNC0ZXWndGJj...
Notice his production in August and September (878 and 842 OPS respectively). His BB rate SPIKES in those two months, and his K% similarly goes DOWN.
Whats happenning so far THIS season? The BB are spiking, the O-Swing% is diminishing, the contact rates are increasing, the LD% is increasing, etc. These are VERY GOOD signs. Will it continue? We don't know for sure, but I'd encourage for his great ABs and tell him to keep it up.
If Gut continues this we may have just pulled the steal of the offseason.

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Doc...F-Gut strikes me as the kind of player who will struggle if he is not playing regularly...it's not an accident that he did better when he got back into the line-up full time in Cleveland last year. If that's the case...you don't bench him. Ever. Even if he doesn't hit power righties that well.

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Oh, I dunno. Maybe.
All players could say it's easier to hit when playing every day, but there's also the overexposure factor. It can't hurt a young righty's batting average too much to skip the Roy Halladays of the league :- )

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10 days later and Gut's BABIP normalizes:
.278
.366
.403
Thats one of the better hitters on the team.
With the increased plate patience and continually improving O-Swing%, contact%, and LD%, I expect Gut to run an above-average OBP all season long.
Look for somewhere around .270/.350/.415 this year. And theres UPside to that.
What a STEAL this guy was.

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