The Dynasty Is In Full Swing

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We sent the Blues out against the A's Opening Day lineup, and they never stood a chance.  Halfway through the first spring game, the M's have four HR's and counting.  These include the two most important ones possible - a Boone-style, off-field shot from Jesus Montero -- while playing the catcher position -- and a two-run GWRBI from Michael Saunders.  

Admittedly, the Japan-bound M's have been in camp a lot longer than anybody else, but baseball isn't a sport in which game sharpness matters very much.  Let the march of the SoDo Hit Men begin.

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Zum-Bro' sez,

Anybody getting a '90s Cleveland Indians vibe here? Quietly put together a bunch of kids and let them blossom together. Didn't do any free agent spending, just patiently got really good. And stayed good for quite a while, too.

While M's fans wring their hands over Gutierrez being out for a couple of months, I see a chance for Wells or Saunders to show their stuff in center. Or even Robinson and his new glasses.

Figgins a bust? There shouldn't be any "Oh, man, why didn't we sign a third baseman? Catricala, Liddi, Seager, Martinez. Any one of them could put the position in a hammerlock for ten years.

The point is, there are now multiple, intriguing choices at most positions. Jack pulled that off in under three years. Look at a roster with young talent like Smoak, Carp, Ackley, Montero, Hernandez, Paxton, Hultzen, Walker, Catricala, Franklin, Robles, Wells, Seager, Ramirez, Robinson. Even guys like Saunders and Moore are young enough to take jobs from good players.

If we'd gotten Fielder in here, Jack may have taken a different direction this year. Like keeping Pineda and trading some of those prospects to take a real shot at contending this year. I'm not so sure I don't prefer to sit back and watch all these kids come on. A lot of people are going to be surprised at how fast it happens.

This could be an amazing year.

 

Great stuff Zum-Bro'.

One of my clearest memories of earliest Bill James text:  about 1992-93 somewhere, the Indians had lost for 40 years in a row, but a very young corps of Lofton, Belle, Baerga and the super young Manny were up ...

James goes something a la "The Indians have a deserved reputation for mismanagement.  Fine.  But don't say that none of their young guys can play, because some of them sure as shootin' can."

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How fast can it happen?  In 1993, the Indians were #6 in a 7-team division; in the strike year they were on a 95-win pace before the strike, and then in 1995 they went 100-44 and would have won 110-115 in a full season.

Cleveland:

1993 - 76-86

1994 - 95 wins (per 162 games, strike year)

1995 - 112 wins 

1996-2001 - five playoff appearances in six years

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Tampa Bay:

2007 - 66-96

2008 - 97 wins, World Series (Upton, Longoria, Price, Zobrist, Garza)

2008-2011 - three playoff appearances in four years, despite playing in division with NYY and Boston

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The Arizona Diamondbacks went from 97 losses to 94 wins last year ... and a few years ago they went from 97 losses to 100! wins the next year, and won the whole enchilada two years after that.  You can count up other examples.

The Mariners have done pretty much the same thing in 2012, with four home runs already in half a game.  Last year they went all of June, July and August with fewer than 4 home runs the whole summer.  At least that I ever saw.  And, hey, Baker says this game was our second string against their Opening Day lineup.  Just let the rodent A's hope we never send the Nazgul out.

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=== Sizzlers & Fizzlers ===

If Michael Saunders actually did figure out a swing, that's fine by me - if and when he assumes his .260, 30-homer incarnation then he's a lot better Safeco player than Gutierrez was.  If the wind-aided CF stats can give 6.0 WAR to Gutierrez, they should be able to get 10 or 12 WAR to Saunders.

Jesus Montero took a foul ball and had to come out of the game.  Just don't let it have anything to do with his hands.

We went back and listened to a January podcast with Zduriencik and he stated that although James Paxton was "a bit of a longshot" for the rotation, "We're going to give him a good fair look" to make the rotation out of spring training.  "The same with Danny Hultzen."  The longshot comment was nothing more than a nod to good ole boyz.

In that show, he also said that Forrest Snow, "who pitched so well in the AFL" had a shot to make the rotation out of spring training.  They had the kid on the show and his pitches have been given the nicknames "Forrest Fire" (for the fastball) and "Snow Flake" (for the fluttering changeup).  Remember, Snow is the guy with the unusual RPM (and therefore life) on his fastball.

In another year, Snow would be the exciting story of camp.  He is completely buried in the avalanche of 2012 kids.

In 2012, there is no excuse whatsoever for that stuffy, dreadful "More Objective Than Thou" nonsense.  The appropriate response to this team is to get excited by it.  

The 2012 Mariners are absolutely everything you want in an up-and-coming team, plus some.  Whether they win 70 or 95 this year, Jack Zduriencik has already proven himself a top major league general manager.  At least as pertains to the first half of the plan.

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ghost's picture

It wasn't the hands...he was hit in the head on consecutive foul tips. The second one sent him to the ground like a boxer who'd been right crossed twice in a row. I think he'll be OK....but it's early in the spring and they don't take chances.

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ghost's picture

The arms who appeared in this game:
Blake Beavan
some reliever who seems to be missing from the stat sheet...weird...but that guy induced a DP grounder to escape Beavan 3rd inning jam
Oliver Perez
Shawn Kelley
Chris Jiminez
Steve Delabar
Chance Ruffin
only Kelley is a near-lock to make the club and only Delabar and Ruffin have legit shots to crack that seventh relief spot

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ghost's picture

I don't know why my phone ap box score was missing Delabar and Fox...I'm glad I remembered that Delabar pitched.  THe phone was also missing one pitcher from Oakland.  Strange

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ghost's picture

Let's divide the current Mariner ST roster into a U26 team and a veteran team.
Over-26 Mariners:
PITCHERS:
Felix Hernandez
Jason Vargas
Hisashi Iwakuma
Charlie Furbush
Kevin Millwood
Brandon League
Tom Wilhelmson
Hong-Chih Kuo
George Sherrill
Shawn Kelley
Steve Delabar
Shawn Camp
CATCHERS:
Miguel Olivo
John Jaso
INFIELDERS:
1B) Mike Carp
2B) Breandan Ryan
SS) Munenori Kawasaki
3B) Chone Figgins
UT) Carlos Guillen
MI) Luis Rodriguez
OUTFIELDERS:
RF) Ichiro Suzuki
CF) Franklin Gutierrez
LF) Casper Wells
OF) Darren Ford
OF) Mike Wilson
Now...the U26 Mariners
PITCHERS:
James Paxton
Danny Hultzen
Hector Noesi
Erasmo Ramirez
Blake Beavan
Stephen Pryor
Forrest Snow
Mauricio Robles
Chance Ruffin
Lucas Luetge
Taijuan Walker (getting his feet wet as a swing man...he is still 19 afterall. :) )
Steve Garrison
CATCHERS:
Jesus Montero
Adam Moore (** had to put Moore somewhere...he's still a prospect, so he goes here **)
INFIELDERS:
1B) Justin Smoak
2B) Dustin Ackley
3B) Alex Liddi
SS) Nick Franklin
MI) Nick Franklin
CI) Francisco Martinez
OUTFIELDERS:
LF) Vinny Catricala
CF) Michael Saunders
OF) Trayvon Robinson
OF) Carlos Peguero
OF) Chih-Hsien Chang
I'm not at all certain which one of those teams would do better on a full 162 game schedule against the rest of baseball...but I don't think I would absolutely hate watching EITHER of those teams. LOL

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I was rooting for Michael Saunders back in 2008 when the Mariners traded their previous highly touted Center Field prospect.  I more or less gave up on him last season like a lot of people.  This season, after reading about yet another swing change, but also an attitude change, I don't know, maybe it's the fact that it's worked for Mike Carp, or maybe it's the idea of Saunders turning into a home grown Ray Lankford/Brady Anderson/Curtis Granderson/Grady Sizemore type that has power with a healthy dose of patience and a quality Center Field Defense.  With Gutierrez hurt again to start the season, I believe this really is Michael Saunders last chance to be an everyday player.  I very much hope he seizes it.

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And Charlie Furbush is 3 days younger than Felix (April 11 vs. April 8, 1986).

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ghost's picture

This is Felix's age 26 season.  The team is divided along the lines of who is officially 26 or older in the record books.  Anyone born prior to July 1st gets credit for being the older age in the books.

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I once thought Saunders could be a valuable platoon player who could hit 20 homers a year vR.  "Once" being the operative word.
Now? He's a 4th OF type, I think.  Nothing more.
The marinercentral article compares him to late-blooming Raul.  It isn't much of a comparison, really.
In his three trips up, in more than 600 PA's, Saunders hits .196, slugs .306 and OPS+'s 59.   In his last three trips up (I'm not including his 1st two where he had only a handful of PA's), before he took off,  Raul was hit .248, Slugged .389 and OPS+'ed somewhere in the vicinity of 80.  This was in slightly less than 500 PA's.  Ibanez hit .255, .258, .229.  Saunders hit .221, .221, .149.  Ibanez slugged .408, .421, .329.  Saunders was at .279, .367, .217.  Essentially Raul's worst trip up was equal to Saunder's best.  I'll give Saunders credit for hitting AAA pitching last year, well....for walking aginst AAA pitching last year. I hope he's found something.  If so, he could help.  But even against AAA pitching last year, he still didn't mash.  7 homers in nearly 300 PA's isn't indicative of a guy who is going to beat up on RHP in the majors.  And I'm not sure the Ibanez comparison is worthy.  I agree, that some guys figure out MLB pitching late, but using Ibanez as your Saunders template is a biug stretch.

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I read somewhere that his mother sufferred from cancer and she in fact died last year (or was it in 2010?, may you RIP madam!). This could somehow mitigate his performance the last couple of years.

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Brady Anderson.  Anderson was smaller than Saunders is (6'4"/225 vs. 6'1'"/180) and walked more in the minors but homered a lot less.  His first 3 seasons were .216/.305/.301, over 960 PA, and his 4th wasn't much better (.230/.338/.324), but at age 28 he finally morphed into the .270/.370/.450 guy he would be for the rest (minus '96) of his career.  Steroid allegations aside, that's my hope for Saunders, although I'd prefer if he got around to being that kind of player (I imagine Saunders as more of a .260/.350/.450 kind of guy) before he was 28.

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August 5th of last year, by then he had been in the minors for months and it didn't get as much attention as Justin Smoak's father.

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Not even BAKER is commenting on every game this spring...that's annoying to me...am I seriously the only one around that wants to talk Mariners baseball daily right now? Doc? G? Anyone out there paying attention? :)

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I can't LISTEN to the games at work.  They've blocked me from streaming em.  I'm dying over here - I can only catch games on the weekend.
Tomorrow's televised game on the MLB Network is a godsend.  7 PM tomorrow I'm sitting down to watch me some Mariners baseball.
Lonnie's rubbing it in since he'll be down at Spring Training where I want to be this coming week, so he should be giving daily reports as well.
Anything you wanna add to the party, ADD IT.  My life will not be crushed by more discussions about the Mariners, believe me.
~G

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On the M's site, it says "12:05, MLB.TV, MLBN (delayed)."
Let's see - MLB.TV would black out M's games in Seattle and on the internet or ?
MLBN delayed - does that mean it's on TV later or ?

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