Call Me a Square ...
But if Dr. D ain't "a" zoid, he don' know who is

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There is an archived Bill James article in which he smiles at "quadrangular" players.  Who do you know?  who has the SAME amount of:

  • Walks
  • Strikeouts
  • RBI
  • Runs Scored

You don't know anybody like that, is 'cause the saberdogs (thanks Matty!) have forbidden you from thinking about runs in baseball.  Created runs that are calculated by an algebraic formula, sure -- but actual runs like RBI, Runs, ERA, runs anything -- those are out of bounds.  Anyway, James does think about runs in baseball.  

If you have a guy with 70 BB and 70 K, we already knew that we loved that.  But had it occurred to you that if a ballplayer has 90 R, and 90 RBI, he can either hit cleanup or lead off?

In fact you can draw a "quadrangle" representing any good player.  Bill points out that you cannot draw a quadrangle that is 30', 17', 15', and 105' on a side.  Those were Tommy Agee's numbers in 1968.  If you think about it, you'll realize that of course the 105 side measures the strikeouts.  That ain't good.  The most "undrawable" (Dr. D's term) players ever include Cito Gaston, the dude who used to manage the Blue Jays.  He had seasons like 20-25-30-115.  Yowch.

Speaking of hitting coaches, which Gaston was originally, Dr. D knows of an ex-Mariner whose career quad sides measure 1219 x 1261 x 1283 x 1202.  INCREDIBLE!  And now you see how these squares turn out to be guys you like?

Papi indeed
Papi indeed

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Jose Bautista had an epic-ally "square" season in 2014 with numbers of 101, 103, 104, 96.  (Does it matter which number goes with each category?  Nada.)  Bill lays us out a table of very square, very excellent players:

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First

Last

YEAR

R

RBI

BB

SO

Score

Jimmy

Wynn

1974

104

108

108

104

.978

Dolph

Camilli

1939

105

104

110

107

.975

Jose

Bautista

2014

101

103

104

96

.965

Mike

Schmidt

1979

109

114

120

115

.961

Mark

McGwire

1996

104

113

116

112

.954

Ron

Santo

1967

107

98

96

103

.951

Rafael

Palmeiro

2002

99

105

104

94

.950

Eddie

Mathews

1955

108

101

109

98

.949

Jason

Giambi

2002

120

122

109

112

.946

Duke

Snider

1956

112

101

99

101

.943

David

Ortiz

2007

116

117

111

103

.943

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What do they have in common?  James goes down the list and it suddenly hits him; the "square" player lists are heavily laced with his favorite players.  He didn't realize that he liked these players for this reason, until he did the study.  Then it dawned on him that he likes "basketball triple-doubles in baseball terms."  (My phrase again.)  He was surprised to learn that favorite Royals players from his childhood, like Norm Seibern and later Darrell Porter, were on the lists.

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Who are the Squarest Mariners and the most weirdly Quadrangular?

Mike Zunino just had a 28-28-21-132 season.   HEH!  Nowhere near being able to draw his EYE, runs, and RBI diagram.  Hey Matt:  if Zuumball had twice the R, RBI, and BB, could you draw the quadrangle then?

... it suddenly hits you:  that season is worse than Cito Gaston's most quadrangular most undrawable season.  Zunino may have just had one of the most catastrophically un-square seasons of any player who ever lived.  

The year before, 2014, he was 51-60 for runs and RBI, along with 17-158 (!!) in EYE ratio.  Chalk up one more for EYE-ratio short term forecasting.  Mikey was headed down, not up.

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Robinson Cano is superbly square for his career:  

  • 1,000 runs, give or take -42
  • 1,000 RBI, give or take -17
  • 454 walks
  • 864 strikeouts

And last year he was good too:   82-79 with a 43:107 EYE ratio.  In the second half, when he reverted to Classic D.R. Form, he was 46-49-26-43.

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Kyle Seager last year was 85-74 with a 54:98 EYE.  Pret-tay.  And Kyle is getting subtly more square with each passing season.

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R.I.P. Brad Miller was not square, with only 40-odd runs and 40-odd RBI in 144 games.  He's got crazy legs and the ball jumps off his bat :- ) but by the James My Kinda Player metric, he don' look too good.

Boog Powell, when he went to AAA, was 22-18 with a 32:41 EYE in one-third of a season.  That's on pace* to be a "favorite little contributor," a guy who might get 60 runs and 60 RBI with 40 BB and 70 strikeouts some day.  Edit to add, probably not the RBI, huh.

Dexter Fowler ain't square; he's got 550 runs versus 300 RBI lifetime, plus or minus.  But they tell us on the MLB Network that the M's don't want a square player this offseason.  They want table-setters.  Friendly little reminder that insights do not equal absolutes or simplifications.  They're just insights.

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Here is the M's b-ref card.  Plot spoiler:  Seth Smith kewl, Mark Trumbo not so much.  Ketel Marte, you'd probably rather have him hit #1 or #9 than have him hit #4.  But Seager, Cano, Cruz, Seth Smith -- you could use them to score runs, or to knock 'em in.  Either way they'll give you a pro at-bat.

Enjoy,

Dr D

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Edgar photo:  Jeff Gross, Getty

Comments

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My goodness those early Padre teams were terrible.  In '69, Cito Gaston scored 20 runs in 419 plate appearances.  He hit 2 homeruns, so he actually was driven in 18 times.  He was on base 113* times to score those 18 runs.  Yowza is correct.  11 times he whacked doubles and 7 were triples.  I wonder how many times he was driven home from 2B/3B,  Uh...those teams were lousy.  I've always felt that Enzo Hernandez is the poster boy for lineup futility.  In '71 he lead-off in 137 of the 141 games he played.  He had an OBP that year of .289!! Quite the lead-off hitter.  Even worse, he was .194-.254-.218 in his 134 PA's leading-off games.  Sigh.  Ollie "Dowtown" Brown, with his .346 OBP, was the natural lead-off hitter with that team.  But no, he batted 5th with his 9 homers.  Sigh.

Zunino was driven in 17 times (minus homers) and was on base 76 times* to get do it. The M's were a model of efficiency compared to those Padres.

*Not counting the times they ended up on 1B when grounding into FC's.

For his MiLB career, Dario Pizzano is 201-208-178-159** (and the lowest number is the K's)!  No wonder I love our little Ivy Leaguer!

As Huey Lewis said, Doc, "It's Hip to be Square!"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB5YkmjalDg

**Pizzano can't help being square!  '12=35-29-30-37   '13=75-70-61-48   '14=65-76-68-54   '15=26-33-19-20

Give him a Kewpie Dolly and ticket to Tacoma with a June Uber ride on standby for the dash to Safeco!

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The Nate Colbert Padres were my own boyhood icon for sports futility (that's any sport).  Helpless on the field, the ugliest uniforms humanly possible, the weirdest players imaginable, had NEVER done anything but lose 100 games ... they were the Washington Generals to my Big Red Machine.

WOW you gotta love the Pizzano square!  Starting to get me wavering on the lad ...

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On a decent team, he would have been a household name.  He could rip.  On teams that were the picture of dismal dismality he OPS+'ed 127, 126, 133, 145, 128 from '69-'73.  I always felt sorry for him.  After '73, at age 28 he essentially collapsed and was done.  I figured he was plum worn out from packing a lineup full of maroons for 5 years.

From '69-'73 he was basically as good (with the bat) as Joe Morgan. He was as good or better than Santo at that time.   Garvey never had a year at 145.

Nate, we hardly knew ye! 

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In a five year stretch BEFORE 1969, Santo ran off consecutive years of 128, 164, 146, 161 and 153--along with five straight gold gloves.

But agreed--Colbert was buried in a sea of failure.  

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Someday I'll update folks on what I've been doing with my Year of Not Following the Mariners.

This approach has some things in common with what I've been doing and produces some of the same names, so it's heartening to know that Bill James has some similar thinking.

Thanks for cluing us in, Jeff!

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it couldn't possibly be as important as contributing your M's material.  Bah Humbug.

... :- ) Interesting that James' "wide-scatter" emphasis on skill sets, tracks along with you to some extent.  Lookin' forward to it.

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It's Spec!  It's Spec!!

Hey, no fair whetting our appetites then not delivering.  What'cha got?

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I'll try to keep it short.  I'm hoping to publish it as a book to be called "Paradox at the Plate: Searching for Baseball Greatness at the Intersection of the Improbable."

  • Two imperatives for hitters: avoid outs, generate offense
  • Two imperatives for pitchers: get outs, prevent offense
  • Four skills for hitters: Launch, Spray, Walk, Anti-K (oversimplified, but allows measuring through all of history)
  • Four skills for pitchers: K, Anti-Launch, Anti-Spray, Anti-Walk (same)
  • The four skills are (mostly) independent (which can be verified), and some (as in Launch and Anti-K) are, in fact, self-contradictory
  • Therefore, we can conclude that it is highly improbable for individual players to be highly proficient in all four skills at once
  • We can create a Venn Diagram of Greatness to analyze which players have succeeded in making it all the way to the "improbability bullseye" where all four skills intersect
  • 11 hitters make it into the center of the Venn Diagram of Greatness prior to the '90s -- all are Bona Fide Immortals
  • Hitters with Dead Ball Skills (Ty Cobb, Wade Boggs, Rod Carew, Ichiro) don't make it due to lack of Launch, and achieving Launch while maintaining the other skills is the key to Improbability Greatness
  • During the Circumstantial Evidence Era (1993-2005), suddenly Jason Giambi and Gary Sheffield and a multitude of others are doing what only Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, et al. could do in prior eras, and what George Brett, Eddie Murray, Jim Rice, etc. never did
  • After the Circumstantial Evidence Era, only Pujols joins and becomes the 12th Bona Fide Immortal
  • The "weaponized K" doesn't really emerge for pitchers until the '50s, but the ability to employ the "weaponized K" while maintaining the other three skills doesn't appear until Sandy Koufax -- The Babe Ruth of Pitching
  • Only 5 pitchers make it all the way to the center of the Venn Diagram of Greatness so far
  • The 2010s appear to be perhaps the greatest pitching era of all time, with several guys on the verge of emerging as Bona Fide Immortals
  • I'm now working on applying the Venn Diagram of Greatness to teams
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Sound like a bit of an intersection between your past numbers paradigms and James' theory that hitters differ by 4 things (how often they swing, how often they pull, how often they make contact, how often they miss).

Wow.  Some interesting turf.

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Seriously, I want mine signed :)

Unless it is a e-Copy then...  I guess you can just sign my chest :)

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I"ll buy a copy!  Sign it please!   Cool stuff, Spec!  I hated the Circumstantial Evidence Era.  It trivialized the Mays, Aarons, Allens, Robinsons and Ceys that I grew up with.  

A pox on that era, I say.

Except for Greg Maddux.  The greatest RHP I ever saw.  Clean as a whistle I'll bet'cha.

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