POTD Charlie Furbush - Upside

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Q.  How good was Furbush against the Red Sox on August 14th?

A.  He was a number 2-3 starter in that particular game ... a second-day-of-season starter on the Royals, a third-day starter on the Tigers or Indians.

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Q.  He had some hard-hit balls, right?

A.  During the game, I thought, wow, two balls to the warning track, a couple more line drives snared... he wasn't far away from giving up five runs, right?

But it was a normal, BABIP-style "far away from five runs."  His BIP profile was:

  • 6k
  • 2bb
  • 0hr
  • 5 line drives (on 19 balls in play; that's within typical range)
  • 7 fly balls, 6 grounders -- that's exactly average (and he's LHP in Safeco, anyhow; don't matter)

So I was definitely exaggerating the "narrow escape balls in play" in my own mind, due to prejudices against Furbush.

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Q.  Sharp stuff, eh?

A.  Reaaaaalllllll sharp stuff.

As we scouted after his first game, Furbush definitely has 7-strikeout stuff.  He's 92 mph, left hand from a tough angle, with Sherrill-type deception.  He gets swingthroughs on straight heaters, that's number one.

You could divide SP's into two categories:  (1) those who get plenty of swingthroughs on fastballs inside the zone, with Brandon Morrow and Michael Pineda being the apex predators in that equatorial region, and (2) those who don't.

You could divide SP's into two categories a lot of ways, of course, but you know what I mean.  Start with the question, can he throw the ball by people.  Charlie Furbush is a clear "Yes" here.  Maybe that's part of why Zduriencik, the old-school scout, was inclined to him.

I've got nothing against that kind of starting pitcher, my ownself.

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Ed. note - we ran over to Brooks to make sure it hadn't been just a foggy memory the next day, and guess how many swingthroughs on fastballs?  Seven of them.  59 fastballs, 7 swingthroughs, and a bunch of lockups, badly taken strikes, off the fastball.

That would be an excellent FB/SwStr result for Pineda or Morrow.  Here Furbush was, doing that to the Red Sox.

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But! Furbush has two other sidearm lefty pitches and they are both quality.  Crucially, he uses them both 20% plus.  Few SP's get 20% usage on their #3 pitch.

When he's locating, he's legitimately tough.

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Q.  When he's locating?

A.  Our first take on Furbush was that his mechanics are so herky-jerky that he's going to have gopheritis -- too many pitches missing OVER the plate.

Worse, he's not naturally coordinated.  Bill James' first rule on a lefty:  he better have grace and balance.  It's not an absolute, but it's one of the most important generalizations.

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Then Charlie Furbush came out yesterday and BOOM!  his mechanics and rhythm were ten yards down the football field.  Wowza!

Hence the stinging little 92 mph fastballs to the low-away corner, hence the 6 K and 2 BB to the Boston blinkin' Red Sox.

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For about the 1,000th time this season -- how many games have they played so far? --  Eric Wedge came out the next day and, in Baker's column, re-stated SSI's exact plot theme.  If I didn't know better -- which I most assuredly do know better -- we'd think that Wedge had bought a subscription :- )

 

"I thought Furbush was very good today,'' Mariners manager Eric Wedge said. "He did a great job of repeating his delivery. And because of that he was really consistent with his fastball. He was able to move it around, hit his spots, did a good job with his breaking ball...and was very poised with good tempo. There was a lot to like out there.''

[Baker] You'll remember the Texas start, when Furbush kept missing his spots. Had no command. That's what happens when your delivery is inconsistent. Think of it like trying to throw a basketball through a hoop from the free-throw line. Once you make the net swish, what's the first thing you do? That's right, you try to throw the ball exactly the same way. It's the same thing with pitching. When you use the same mechanics in your delivery, you can keep making the ball do the things you want it to.

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Q.  So the M's are attending to this issue.

A.  And the light comes on:  you know what, Charlie Furbush is a young pitcher.  Those guys smooth out their mechanics sometimes.

If Charlie Furbush were to iron out his mechanics, C.J. Wilson would be the appropriate comp.

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Q.  You think Zduriencik was thinking this way?

A.  For sure he was thinking that way:  --- > Furbush has upside, and that upside is in improved technique.

And, it's almost for sure that --- > Zduriencik thought that Fister, while solid, was becoming overrated.  And you know about Z's fondness for left hand "swing man" RP's/starters who've been used lightly and stored in the shed when it rains -- Laffey, French, Robles, Vargas, Furbush.

I have an inkling that Capt. Jack SECRETLY preferred Charlie Furbush to Doug Fister, even steven.  And that's why the chuckling inside, poker face outside, after the deal.

I don't think he'd say that to you, even now.  But I'll bet you he did.  Bet you he thought that, by 2012, Furbush had a good shot to outpitch Fister straight up.

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Q.  Casper Wells has a 182 OPS+ in Seattle?

A.  He's .333/.415/.583 here, baby.

12 career homers, 12 career homers that would have been out, if hit in Safeco Field.

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Furbush gave us a glimpse yesterday.  I don't care about his beating the Red Sox.  But watching him throw those pitches to spots in the strike zone, watching him repeat a "finish" once in a while, it was prettt-ay.

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Eyes slideways,

Dr D

 

Comments

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ghost's picture

...has 15 punchies and 4 BB (right aroud that .3 line Doc mentioned as critical...but slightly on the wrong side of it), 3 HR and ZERO doubles (he's been a bit lucky on fly balls), and .500 BABIP (ROFLOL!). So right now...he's not actually hitting all that well in Seattle in the abstract sense...he's just been very lucky.

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I thought Furbish had an upside as a 6th and 7th inning guy.
His start the other day opened my eyes.
I thought he looked effective enough to face a guy 3 times a game...or 4...and still get him out.  He looked like a starter, and not a #5 guy. 
And, I thought he looked rather smooth (even commented on it to my wife), not like some flapping bird.
He can throw. 

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Hit and Run's picture

Not only did Furbush have a nice last outing, we had five pitchers, one from each of our top five farm clubs, go 7 or more innings with no BB's and at least 7 K's in their last outing. Check this out.
Jose Campos 8 IP 0 BB's 7 K's
Anthony Fernandez 9 IP 0 BB's 9 K's
Nathan Reed 8 IP 0 BB's 7 K's
James Paxton 7 IP 0 BB's 10 K's
Erasmo Ramirez 8.1 IP 0 BB's 11 K's (If you are wondering, they gave up a total of 5 earned runs)
In fact in their last ourings, we had twelve starters in our system give up 1 or less BB's in their last outing with a total of 82 IP, 6 BB's (!) and 85 K's (Starters were Walker, Kohlscheen, Butler, Elias, Fernandez, Campos, Paxton, Reed, Ramirez, Stanton, Carraway and Hensley). You may have noticed that includes the entire Clinton rotation.
Is the Mariner farm system suddenly emphasizing control or something? . . . Nah, probably just a freak coincidence; but a happy one. : )

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RockiesJeff's picture

2001 proved that consistent pitching where they could repeat deliveries add up into wins. It is great to have Felix but then to surround him with several guys who you can count on, good news for the future!
Thanks for the report. It is fun to see them win with a bunch of kids in the line up!

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OBF's picture

Carp and Wells taking over the offense baby!
And how bout Trayvon with 2 doubles! (three hits total)  Ackley took the night off (ofer), and the M's STILL score SIX runs!!!  Wow didn't see that coming! Trayvon, Well, Carp, Smoak, Guti (another double tonight) looks like we are starting to get a bit of a log jam in the OF/1b/DH rotation!  I like it!
It's been a while since we won a game with homers, and man, I LIKE IT!  :)
Carp is has pretty much written his name on the 2012 starting lineup card as 1B/LF/DH in ink by now right?  And Wells, is looking for the pen :)
Should would be nice for this to be a real Guti turnaround as well.

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.500 BABIP?  Lies, blamed lies, and statistics amigo...
Furbush had 36 AB's as a Mariner:
9 singles, 9 in-field putouts
3 HR
15 K's
So, arbitrarily take away three (3) singles so that he has a .333 BABIP, and where's he at?
9-for-36 with three dongs, 4 walks and a HBP ...  .250/.366/.500.  That's "not hitting well ... just very lucky"?
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Tonight, ANOTHER dong, a thunderbolt rising line drive to LF, and another single.  Leaving the BABIP at .500, LOL, based on a grand total of ten singles.
The disconnect here between our two positions was that I'd been watching him hit. ;- )  He's looking real good at the plate.
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Anyhow.  The thing to take away, is that early on, it doesn't look like Safeco is going to impact his power much.  That was a trade-day point of discussion.

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Good to see you bud...
Wow.  Good run through this week for our best 7 brightest.
Capt Jack, on the radio tonight, said that Erasmo Ramirez was probably an NRI for 2012.

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It lends credence to our hope that he might have gotten a certain % of those K's because of choosing to dial it up to 11.
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In the last two days, I think that Mike Carp nailed down the 2012 DH job.  Not in my mind, but in Wedge's.

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ghost's picture

I didn't just focus on BABIP.  Take away the BABIP small sample fluctutaion AND move a couple of his homers to the double column to better represent what normally happens on his flyballs...what's his line then?
I'm not saying he's not hitting at all...I'm saying you can't make much soup off a mini-stretch of apparent high slash-line when he hasn't changed at all as a hitter.  My point is...if I'm projecting Wells off his current line, then I project no change in his performance for his existing MLB line.

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OBF's picture

 
But he will get a lot of time in the field too; I was impressed by his play in LF, and have been VERY impressed with his play at 1b.  There have been a couple of nice diving stops on smashes up the RF line, and a couple of VERY nice scoops, including one where he practically did the splits.  I have been way more impressed with his athleticism than I thought I would be just listening to reports about him from the minors.
I think what we see now is what we will get in 2012 a true and honest rotation of LF/1B/DH where DH is used for it's true purpose which is to rest a player now and then and get the pitcher out of the lineup, not to cement a guy who can’t field in the starting lineup (ala Ortiz and ...gulp... Edgar).

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OBF's picture

or does Casper Wells look a lot like Richie Sexson while hitting a home run???  Particularly the fact that he watches the ball contacting the barrel of his bat and THEN looks up to see where it went after the swing is done, just like Richie always did.
Also it always felt like Sexson caught the ball with his bat and then slung it over the fence like Jai-alai or something, I get the same feeling from Casper.  Stances look similar as well, Casper is just a bit shorter :) (6-2 vs 6-8)

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Presuming that there was any reason to edit his stats down in a bunch of different critical column then --- > he's still slugging .500.
The syndrome here, m'man, is that you (1) read somebody's original material, (2) flatly contradict it with no tact, (2a) often mistakenly so, and (3) when they rebut, you get annoyed and defensive.
Idea exchange, counterpoint, we like.  That syndrome, we don't.
Free advice dept:  when you disagree, disagree like Taro does.  Then the discussion rocks along.
:daps: 

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Great catch OBF!
It *does* remind.  Sexson would sort of drop his nose down onto the pitch, use his mammoth strength to simply rotate his shoulders, and sort of "drag-bunt" the ball out of the park.  :- )  You know, "steering" the ball on the trajectory he wanted.
Wow, there are a lot of physical similarites there.  Yeah.
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Wouldn't credit Casper with 100.00% of Richie's raw power but the general template is clear, the use of the physical attributes to get to the pitch more cleanly.  Good stuff.

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