The Seahawk World According to Dr. Garp
Monologuing on how inEVVVVVIITTTTable Rodgers' defeat was

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Coupla Seahawk posts first.  And then I was thinking about using this site to start a baseball blog.  What are your thoughts, Hobson?  :: take your hat off, please ::   Huh?   :: please ::

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I'm so sick of this narrative and it's only been 18 hours

That was the biggest choke job in NFL history and you could use this game as example 1 A why playing not to lose always backfires. Aaron Rodgers doesn’t deserve the mvp after not being able to get a td twice at the goaline. The guy is an overrated choker who won a super bowl in a down year. I kinda of think Green Bay figured Russell Wilson out yesterday can’t wait to see what the hoodie does to him in 2 weeks.

Good luck Hawks against a team with a competent coach, good QB and bruising ground game last time you faced a team with those 3 things you lost at home to the Cowboys. I hope Gronkowski throws Sherman "out of the club"

Ok Hawks fans get your stupid passive aggressive snide Durpa durpa durpa go Hawks comments ready. I mean nobody on sb nation can avoid you guys these days…… ANYWHERE

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Dr. D's analysis, thusly:

1.  My first thought is ALWAYS to ask:  What was the biggest thing you ever won, dude?  :- )

2.  ... and why did you lose, get cut, give up, or quit when you left organized sports.  (Not rhetorical.  I mean:  WHY did you leave)

3.  Aaron Rodgers visually looked as calm as if he were playing Pinochle with his maiden aunt.  Compare Jay Cutler's body language, eyeblink rate, etc

4.  Aaron Rodgers "deserves" to be, like, President of the United States.  He's got a somewhat rare skill set.  What Dr. D means to say is, like, we could do worse than to have Aaron Rodgers be President.

5.  Elliott Hulse (Strongman / Life Coach):  most Americans live their lives watching others live their lives (sports, movies, 'net problems, etc etc).  Go do something yourself, pardner.  We mean it in a good way

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[Doug Baldwin's anti-doubters tirade was] an entirely reasonable rant, and I don't really have much of a problem with it. You've won, you can call out the doubters. Of course, I have to assume Baldwin was including the Seahawks fans that left the game early, and unsuccessfully tried to get back into the game when the Seahawks made their amazing comeback.

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1.  Personally, I "disengaged" rather early in the 4th quarter.  I disengaged completely after the 4th pick, with 5 minutes left.  I didn't re-engage after the 19-13 score.  Only when the Seahawks recovered the onside kick did I sit up in my chair, and go "this is a 50-50 ballgame now.  How could this happen?"

2.  That cost me a LOT of enjoyment of the victory.

2a.  So many times, character flaws are their own punishment.  No external application needed at all.

3.  The fact that Wilson never disengaged, even an inch, had something to do with his postgame weepfest.  Dr. D has no words for his admiration of Wilson's heroism.

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The truth is...

For the first 50+ minutes of the game I witnessed a nightmare. DangeRuss was being exposed, every negative concern you heard about him from the haters was coming true. He was inaccurate, he was indecisive and he was making seriously bad decisions. We weren’t just losing, our QB was being stripped of his cloak of cool. It was much more than disappointing, it was almost as if Wilson was being shown to be the short, inconsequential, 3rd round pick he was accused of being. I said to my wife, "He’s not just being crushed, he’s making bad decisions, he’s being exposed, his mystique is being torn off him… it’s like they were right and we were wrong…he’s not what we thought he was."

A tiny bit of that fear still remains ...

That DangeRuss came back and played like we know he can play was somewhat reassuring ...Brady be prepared – a force of nature your way comes – and you know Tom – it’s a waste of time to try and oppose a force of nature….

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1.  The above is inaccurate.

2.  The basic delusion occurs because the non-ex-athlete-fan projects his own "Superman" fantasies onto the TV screen.  He would be better advised to appreciate the athletes for what they are actually doing out there.

3.  Sports contests like the NFC Championship aren't Avengers movies.  They are slugfests between gladiators who ask no quarter and receive none.  Wilson never had a "cloak of cool," an invisibility ring, anti-gravity boots, etc, except in the minds of the Elvish screenwriters.  

How INEVVIITTTABLE the victory was, Dept.

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Sports are exciting enough as the real human struggles that they are.

4.  Wilson was never stripped of his, ahem, poise and focus.  (He showed this when he led the final 3 touchdown drives.)  

The problems had been technical.  In technical terms, "those feeb wideouts couldn't get open to save their lives."  That, and the fact that young Wilson doesn't yet see the field the way he will in year seven.

It's fascinating that technical problems are so often re-assigned to the "moral failings" department.  Perhaps Dr. D is exaggerating the issue here ... wait!, here's the next fanfest:

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1.  The Seahawks were lucky to recover the onside kick (and unlucky to have interceptions bounce off the hands of receivers).  Without the unlikely bounces of the ball, we're discussing a loss today.  Actually not discussing it :- )

2.  Titanic battles like these, if they're not blowouts, are usually decided by luck.  The 1970's Steelers dynasty started with the Immaculate Reception by Franco Harris.  It didn't mean that Pittsburgh's defense wasn't legendary, nor that the 1970's Steelers weren't epic.

3.  When an MLB champion wins 3 World Series games by skill, and 1 World Series game by a gasp-inducing stroke of luck, I'm not apologizing.  The champion did a whale of a lot to get into that situation.  Every other team did less.

4.  Yep, a dice roll different here and a dice roll different there, and the fabric of sports history would be different at many points.  The champion's fate was not "inevitable."  This ain't a movie script.

5.  Luckfest for 3 years:  Things like the Fail Mary occur more often, for athletes who refuse to quit.

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Maybe Wilson has been figured out

We will know in two weeks

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1.  The Seahawks are NOT an invincible juggernaut.  (They're merely one of the best NFL teams ever to take the field.)  They can lose, when their offense is shut down.

2.  The best shot at doing that, is to put pressure on their (feeb) receivers to make plays, and

3.  ... to make Wilson find open receivers.  He's still a 3rd-year QB, after all.

4.  Green Bay did this magnificently, as other teams have done ... what, 20-30% of the time the last three years?  It's not rare for the Seahawks offense to struggle.

5.  The Seahawks have counters to this strategy.  It's a game of adjustment and counter-adjustment. You can be sure that Belichick will have a hard time imitating Green Bay's approach.

Power to the People,

Dr D

 

 

 

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The Seahawks made the better adjustments at the half but it's still surprising how flat they were to start the game. Dumb mistakes, dumb penalties...can't do that against the Pats.
Green Bay's d-ends did a tremendous job of setting the edge and keeping Wilson bottled up. I'm sure the Pats will try to do the same.
Schneider is a great GM but he has to find a front line receiver for Wilson. Where would Baldwin and Kearse sit on the Green Bay depth chart at WR? Fourth and Fifth? Fifth and practice squad? It's the one glaring hole on this team.

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@darrenrovell: Nielsen #'s show 19% of the US watched Packers-Seahawks into overtime.

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That's a great point Grizz.
Combine the penalties, with the Seahawks' O not seeing the field very well ... I wonder what causes a lack of sharpness like that.  And against Carolina, they played well, but didn't seem razor-sharp (except for Wilson).
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Great teams have games where they are "on" and games where they're not ... the 1988 49'ers lost six games in the reg season, but crushed the Vikings and Bears like pop cans in the playoffs. Then almost lost the Super Bowl to a "meh" team as Super Bowls go.
In tournament chess, a lot has to do with the opening and pawn structure you "happen" to get that day.  Sometimes you just happen to like the situation you've wandered into.
I think sometimes a QB just sees a set of defenses that he happens to like, and other times he doesn't.  The matchups have a lot more luck involved than people realize. 

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You'd think the NFL would be more invested in the Seahawks, going forward, than Tom Brady.  Sports CEO's tend to think in terms of the next five years.
Was surprised that Rodgers didn't get a thumb on the scale yesterday.  Perhaps the NFL has decided that Pete Carroll is a good thing for their $25 billion/year target?

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The ref's seem to let everything go for the most part yesterday - in BOTH games. All receivers seemed to get mauled especially in the Pats / Colts game.
There were at least 3 missed face mask calls in the Hawks game, and so many holding calls missed that it made sacks near impossible.

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and are too good to be beat even by themselves. Last year's NFCCG was a classic fight between two heavyweights. This game was more the Seahawks shooting themselves repeatedly in the foot and Green Bay wasn't good enough to put them away. That's sort of the interesting story about this season. Seattle has played absolutely terrible football at times this season, yet they haven't been blown out this year. Green Bay had their socks knocked off several times and after the first few weeks there were questions if they would even make the playoffs. Earlier this season people were questioning whether or not Tom Brady should be benched. Yet the Seahawks have had a chance for a late game winning drive every game this season. I'm not sure what that means, but it seems like it should mean something.

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even when our team ends up on the short side of the deal, like seemed to happen yesterday vs. GB. There were tons of holding non-calls on both of our premier pass rushers, but I didn't mind because for the most part they were letting the contact go in the defensive backfield.
Let the boys play. It's a much more interesting, fun, engaging experience for all involved.
But Clay Matthews needs to be suspended when he does stuff like he's shown himself eager to do this year. That KO on Wilson was, in my opinion, a HUGE reason why RW3 had such a terrible day. He wasn't seeing things like he usually does (at least that's what it looked like to me) and he only seemed to shake out the cobwebs in OT. Both of those passes on the winning drive were tear-jerking things of beauty.
I think Wilson was concussed from that KO shot delivered by Matthews. Watch his head snap sideways right before his leg briefly folds beneath him after he gets hit; that's a classic drop-shot reaction in MMA that results in a swarming ground-and-pound victory by the hitter (Matthews) 90% of the time. Wilson got KO'd, in my opinion, but apparently passed the concussion test battery and fought through the rest of the game.
Dude's a warrior I'd gladly follow into battle. I don't say that of many people, especially those I haven't shared a room with, but there is no question that guy would bleed out for what he believes in, and I'd have no problem standing right there with him.

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I think yer right amigo ...
Not sure how I feel about ref's helping the big-name QB's up, after they get knocked down.  RW3 is in that category too now, it seems, but still - 
If the NFL wants to stabilize pass protection, in basic terms that's fine by me.  We use 1-mississippi, 2-mississippi in our flag games.  Having a bit of time back there makes for a more coherent game.

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His team has been out of it, halfway through the 4th.  There's something profound in that, but like you I'm not sure what it is.
It's probably a testimony to Pete Carroll's view of the world.  He had a bansai tree, he's shaped it, and as it turns out the tree is majestic.  Not all of our visions turn out that way ...

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That and a historically awesome defense. They just suffocate offenses.
I honestly cannot remember such a vanilla defense being this great. Maybe those 70's Steeler defenses, I guess, but I was so young that I don't remember. Very little blitzing and few gimmicks - they pretty much play a plain 4-3 with some substitutions on passing downs. It'll be interesting to see if Quinn can repeat it with the Falcons or if he can only do it in Seattle because of the extreme level of talent and speed.

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Did what he was supposed to do. When the QB gets in there and tries to tackle the ball carrier, anyone who has the opportunity is going to give them the best shot they've got. It wasn't a late hit, it was in the middle of the play. I had no problem with what Matthews did. That was a hockey enforcer move and frankly we're really lucky Wilson wasn't ko'ed, unexpected chin shots like that are the ones that are lights out bye bye in MMA, like you said.

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Does not function well. FG did an article on it earlier this year, showing that Wilson's performances in rain have been mostly dismal. I think it's a combination of Wilson not being experienced enough to work through the chaos or get his grip right, but it's just as much because our "pedestrian" receivers drop balls and have trouble getting open when they can't cut as well. All our guys are more technique route runners, not pure athletes.
Wilson's trump card though, and a big reason he's so "clutch", is his running ability. Once he gets near the end of the game and can just cut loose and not worry about saving his legs, he becomes pretty unstoppable against most defenses. The Hawks no huddle Wilson-Lynch zone read + Baldwin outlet game is just beautiful to watch. Did the exact same thing to Denver in OT this year.

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I'll take the other side of this one amigo.  :- )  There's a difference between (1) what Matthews did, and (2) going for a K.O., with a clean hit, mano-e-mano against a guy carrying the ball or trying to block you.
Sure, if the placekicker is trying to tackle on a kick return, you can block him, and feel free to deliver your weight through his and send him flying.  Doesn't mean you go for the side of the knee or the helmet on the little feeb.
Linebacker seeing his chance to injure a quarterback, creating high contact in hopes of injuring Little Brother, that goes against even NFL code, I think.  How about we try and give the punter an ACL?  
Fair fights are one thing, take-em-out-at-any-cost, that's another thing.
Could be wrong.

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Their passing game is *more* affected by rain than other teams' are?
Now that you mention this, I was wondering why Rodgers blew some throws.  Hm.

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John Madden once said of Conrad Dobler -- dirtiest lineman in the NFL -- "get five guys like that together and you've really got something."  Sigh ...
But if you want to win AND you want respect in your retirement years, win honorably ... as much as Niners Nation likes to believe otherwise, the "Cheathawks" seem to me like they play more honorably than the average NFL team.   For example, the prophesied that the defensive holding rules would be the downfall of the Hawks defense.  In reality, guys like Sherman were flagged less than expected and played well. 
Could be a reflection of Carroll's integrity.

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In which he hasn't had the lead at least once.
Let that sink in.
He has never trailed wire to wire. He has well over fifty games now as a Seahawk. On the TV broadcast they quoted the same stat but included the streak all the way back to college and the number was in the 80s. That is just insane.

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When I listen to his post game comments I'm consistently struck that he seems to talk much less about savoring the victory than he speaks of his pride in teaching and mentoring his players.

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What if the Mariners hit the All-Star break in 2015, having had a lead in every game of the first half?
I'm not even sure what KIND of excellence that would speak to.

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Within the game he may have been inconsistent but in every single game he shows up with his game!
Sunday was as close to a game as we've seen where he just didn't have it and he still found a way to "clear the mechanism". In golf it's never unusual for a top name to not make the cut. Some days you just don't have it. 50+ NFL games in a row of essentially making the cut is incredible consistency.

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Given his play this year, would y'all still make him the highest paid QB in the league?

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Did you just end that comment, Doc, by using the words 'Carroll' and 'integrity' in the same sentence--and mean it in a positive context?
We are talking about the same guy, aren't we?

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I was watching the TV very intently, showing him on the sideline while waiting to get the ball back after that last interception. I can read lips, and I distinctly saw him say, "Dear Lord, if you can help me find a way to win this game, I promise to not be greedy in my contract negotiations and share the wealth with all my teammates."
Well, it was either that or, "What the heck was I thinking, throwing to Jermaine again. What kind of fool am I. He's not seeing the ball until we have at least a tie game, that's for sure."
It was one or the other.

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When it comes to the physical tools and skills that involve passing, there are a number of quarterbacks better than he. And we've seen a number of games where his passing accuracy is just not there. With regard to leadership and "makeup," nobody exceeds him, and perhaps nobody is even his peer. He's off the charts. As Doc say, he's just winding up his third season, so he has more to learn in recognition, field vision, pocket skills, and decision-making, though he has progressed in those skills much farther and faster than expected. Then you have his running skills, which set him apart, even more so than what I remember from Fran Tarkenton (wait 'til his pocket skills improve!).
The real question to me is how good CAN he become as a pure passer? Have his passing skills been retarded or limited because the lack of pass rush protection has frequently been a real problem? Have they been retarded or limited because of a lack of front line receivers. A related question...is his passing skill potential such that, if needed, you could eventually, if meeded, build an offense around them?
To me, I think what Wilson brings to the game deserves great reward. But the highest? How would he do without Marshawn Lynch at RB? Granted that the QB position is more than just passing, are his other skills enough to merit being the highest paid quarterback?
I can't answer that, yet. If Lynch retires after this season, and we get some better receiving talent, I might be able to answer after next season. But not now. If it's me, I don't reward him with the #1 QB contract yet. I find some way to guarantee that to him if he demonstrates that his passing skills are better than he's shown so far, and that he can if need be sometimes carry the team with his passing, given adequate protection and better receivers.
What happens if you give him the best contract up front, and Lynch retires, and you strengthen his protection and receiving corps, but his passing skills don't progress as much as you hope? Don't you need to see them demonstrated first?
I don't know how you structure a contract that would achieve protecting both sides, but I think you need to accomplish that.

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The hands up palms forward catch seems to be kryptonite to our receivers with the exception of Baldwin. All of the big catches Kearse has made have been over the shoulder underhand catches, same with Luke Willson. My first instinct is to assume that since our receiving corps is short statured it's the small hands that are the issue. But the worst of the group for dropping almost every overhand catch is Willson and he is definitely no small guy.
Is there something about Wilson's passes that contribute to this? Is he really throwing that hard... or maybe the passes are starting off too close to the ground? Heh!

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bsr, you're dead on. Wilson's ability to run for 10-15 yards seemingly at will in late game situations is what makes the Hawks near impossible to close out. Remember the OT Bears game at Soldier Field? The Hawks offense transforms from Lynch + playaction off of a fake to Lynch into something considerably more dynamic.
I also assume that Bevell et al know how wonderful this trump card is, but are unwilling to put those miles on Wilson's body unless its 4Q and close.

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Great point - Bevell gets a lot of grumbling from the FG crowd at times for his play calling, and I will say it was a bit mystifying why they waited until desperation time to break out the read option in a win or go home NFCCG...yet, you have to assume there is a reason they don't run read option all game. Probably a combination of keeping the mileage down, as you say - and also it may just be more effective vs a tired defense (in particular, because it just gets harder and harder to stop Beast Mode, so the outside lanes start opening up for Russ).
Another point for RW - that he has the discipline to follow his coaching in this area and hold off on the heavy running until late in game, and not go for the cheap runs early on (unless it's a glaring hole). Compare to RG3 who doesn't seem capable of following the plan that is designed for his own benefit.

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I get the desire to save the wear and tear. I also get that the earlier in the game it is the more disciplined the defense is to contain the read option, I do. But...
Wilson reminds me of what I see in a lot of fighters, both boxing and MMA. Many fighters will come out tight. They jump in jab and jump back, reset, over react to a fake, leap sideways reset, look, head bob, hop back, reset. etc, etc, etc,,, It isn't until they finally get popped by a shot that waters their eyes that they finally let the leather fly and start throwing in combinations. After that first hard hit they stop worrying so much about it.
I think Danger Russ comes out tight. It's telling to me that his accuracy gets so much better in the two minute drill. It just so happens that the two minute drill is when Bevell cuts loose with the read option. I think a couple trips around the corner gets Wilson's blood pumping and he stops over thinking, goes with his instincts and just lets it flow.

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I think it's at least possible that Wilson's fourth quarter heroics and read-option success are tied to latter part of the game because it takes that long for Marshawn Lynch to break the will of opposing defenses. Once it's Lynch on the rampage, it opens up a lot of things for Wilson that aren't there earlier in the game. I'm not saying I believe this is true, just that it's possible.

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That is...interesting. I wonder if they will cut him loose early in the big game? I mean, what are you holding back for at that point? It will be important to put points up early against the Pats.

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So is a 15 yard penalty. At some point with headhunters like Matthews you really do have to start docking playing time. They need to implement a rolling total of personal foul penalties which, when exceeding a given threshold, causes the player to be unavailable for the next regular- or post-season game. A second threshold means three games. A third means a year's suspension without pay, while the team takes a cap hit at least equal to the player's salary even if they don't have to pay it.
E.g. After a player has committed more than five personal foul penalties in a rolling 20 games active period, he's suspended from play without pay for a game. If that number rises to eight total personal foul penalties in a similar period, he is suspended for three games. If he commits ten such penalties in said period, he is suspended for a year.
I saw Matthews do this kind of thing like six or seven times this year, and I only watched maybe five GB games total. Personally, I'm not *against* letting old-school hits like the one he laid on Wilson be part of the game, but the rules pretty clearly state that his style of cheap shots are flagrant violations. What's a $20-50k fine for a 5% chance at removing the opposing team's QB early?
Like he wouldn't make ten times that on the apology tour alone. Either the hits are ok, or they're not, but don't go trying to convince anyone that a $20k fine is going to deter men making five to ten million per year when their job is to hurt people. Playing time is the only thing that will make the players, and teams, stand up and take notice. If you're not actually willing to punish them in a way they'll feel, take the rule off the books (about cheap hits) and stop talking about it.

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In the Premier League, five yellows mean a 1-game suspension.  One red is a 1-game suspension, and two yellows same game = a red.
Their threshold for yellow cards is fairly low - a mild personal foul, arguing with the ref, taunting, stuff like that.  Matthews' hit would have equated to a red card.  So would Suh's stomp on Rodgers' calf.
If that doesn't slow the player down, he's soon hauled in front of a disciplinary board, to explain why he should stay in the league.  If he does a good job arguing, he only misses like 8 games.
Somebody tell me, in 1-syllable words, why the NFL doesn't implement something similar?  Would cut into the injuries quite a ways.

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Asked and answered.
But then why is there a subset of hits that the league cracks down on, hard?  Healthy QB's make the dough, too... hand out the yellow cards when you are messing with the league's livelihood...
Good stuff Auto5.

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The elite QB's are worshiped like Gods and the gladiator like carnage is loved by the fans. Both bring in money and put butts in the seats. How do the two coexist? Even the new Movement towards player safety seems only half hearted in some ways. It so goes against the history and aura of a league that has immortalized the Jack Lamberts and the Dick Butkus' of the game.
I once saw an interview with an NFL ref who said when an interception occurs he immediately looks away from the play to locate the Quarterback because SOMEBODY is gonna take a free shot at him.
I wonder if the game wouldn't be better if the QB wore a different jersey the way a goal tender does in soccer.

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