Konspiracy Korner: KomPete Forever

There are three or four people you ever meet in your life … you go, “What a used-car salesman.   I wish just once in a while he’d drop the veneer and be real with me.”  And then you find out that it’s REALLY who he is.  Those three or four people might teach you quite a bit. 

Pete Carroll’s day-12 press conference is up.  He uses the terms “compete,” “competitor,” and “competing” about ten or twenty times, as he always does.  His book, written after USC and before the Seahawks, explains it.  After about 20 years of coaching, he resolved to figure it out … coaching, that is, and life.  He sat down and nailed everything that mattered to him, he canceled the fractions, and found out that it always had involved COMPETING. 

Absolutely everything.  Which is why Carroll turns his practice drills into competitions, turns 7-on-7’s into bitter rivalries, and makes coaches compete to deliver better pep talks than other coaches.  He does everything with a view to instilling a blood-deep instinct to compete.

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A dictionary definition of COMPETE:

 strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others who are trying to do the same: 
"universities are competing for applicants"

That, for once, is a picture-perfect definition.  Somebody at Oxford was competing on that entry, babe.

As Bruce Lee tried to do – “It’s not about winning; it’s about perfection,” - Pete Carroll has abstracted the idea, so as to derive positivity from it rather than anger.  He loves his opponents for providing the chance to compete, he says.  Compete against yourself.  Compete against the challenge of cancer; establish superiority over it.  Compete against the temptation to blog mediocre entries about the Mariners.   Compete against your fingernail chewing.  Compete against whatever you want to defeat.

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You’ve probably seen the story on Jesse “Tha Monstar” Williams, who will be competing tonight despite the removal of a cancerous kidney 3 months ago.  Carroll bestowed his own version of the Congressional Medal of Honor onto Tha Monstar:  “He’s a real competitor.”

By the way, I didn’t realize that Williams has benched 600 lbs. (?!) and was a potential 1st-round draft pick before a knee injury.  Another inspiring Seahawk player to track.  Carroll is full of ‘em.

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Bill James recently said,

"It's just that a big, big gap developed between the ways that we thought about the world and the way that older people thought about the world. You can't really explain it to young people, because so many of the accepted beliefs of older generations have almost disappeared, and it's hard to get people to understand what it was like." Would you be willing to try? I'm in my 20's and have very little knowledge of how previous generations differed.

Asked by: izzy24

Answered: 8/12/2015

Well, I'll do what I can with the limitations of my attention span. Our parents generation saw the world as a very tough place, and believed to the core of their being that one had to BE tough to make it in the world. You had to behave yourself; you had to follow the rules; even the liberals tended to see the world this way. They had been raised in (a) the depression, which was economic hard times far beyond what we can understand, and (b) World War II. . .and even before then, they had been raised by parents for generations who believed in toughness. …If somebody insulted you, you confronted him. If it came to blows, it came to blows; so what? If the Russians got out of line, you had to fight them.

People had to learn to take care of themselves.

… We adopted a values system based on kindness, acceptance, enjoyment of life and trust, rather than toughness, hard work, correct behavior and self-reliance. It wasn't a perfect system, either; acceptance runs casually into laziness, enjoyment of life into self-indulgence, and trust into naivete, but then, the old system wasn't perfect, either….

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This is what Dr. D, as a guy from the Older Generation, sees as the tragic disconnect.  Will we teach our kindergartners that they will have to take care of themselves?  At what point does the K-12 system bestow toughness?  Where, in our insistence that everybody get the same 32 crayons, have we taught self-reliance?

Or maybe that's the goal of some.  To remove the instinct for self-reliance, and instill the instinct to rely on society.  That way society's control increases?  By the time 51% of Americans receive government benefits, they're going to vote the party of government benefits.  Society forever, baby.

There's a fatal flaw to the whole paradigm.  Where is society going to be when you're sitting in the chemo chair for five hours, watching three big bags of yellow poison drip into your aorta?  Society can pay for the oxaliplatin.  Can it teach you, at that late date, how to compete with your own body?

Entitlement just doesn't work.  Mephistopheles presents his bill, and when he does it's too late.

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The Judeo-Christian ideal, of course, is for YOU to be tough, while being ever-ready to show compassion on those who legitimately TRIED to take care of themselves but who honestly could not. 

In Dr. D’s view, the American value is drifting ever-closer to entitlement, to what wages we ‘deserve’ and to anger over income ‘inequality’ (read:  injustice, unfairness, evil) and to the Lives Matter protestors who storm the stage to whine about the death being inflicted on them … right before strutting off the stage to drive through McDonald’s and flick on a DVR movie at home that night.

It's relevant here, so we'll mention it:  Cindy and I just ran out to Western Union funds to Third World hungry who will, as a result, eat Grade B rice rather than Grade C rice.  We believe in mercy.  We just don't believe in demanding that YOU show mercy.  There's one and only one reason we mention:  loudmouthed protestors do not have a monopoly on compassion, though that is certainly what they are trying to lead us to believe.

Do they even pull their fair share of it?  Of compassion?  The ladies at Bernie Sanders' press conference didn't strike me as the types who themselves excel at seeing the world through others' eyes.  Do they take pity on the hungry?  Too many such protestors, themselves in ease and comfort, want to demand that Bernie Sanders take pity for them.

Let's get both values together:  personal toughness, along with compassion for those who have tried to be tough but who need more.  As Clint said, there's a difference between a hand OUT and a hand UP.

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But that’s the wonderful thing about pro sports.  There’s a Seahawk game on tonight, which means there will be a hard, sharp, fair struggle.  One that despises petted favorites and breeds heroes.

And the people who do not even realize that they deeply value toughness, will go and scream their lungs out for their Seahawk favorites to be as self-reliant as humanly possible.  Who knows.  Perhaps sport will save America.

Respectfully,

Jeff

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Camille Paglia.  She's a real gold mine, Doc, and I'll forever be grateful for your having turned me on to her.

 

She routinely decries the mindless destruction of the values and principles which got us where we are, as a species and as a society.  It's amazing, and more than a little depressing, that there aren't fewer people who view the issue as clearly as she does.

 

In my wanderings of the internet's darkest corners, I've discovered a few people like her.  Christina Hoff Sommers is one I'm fairly confident you're already familiar with ;-) and I first encountered her a year or so ago on her Factual Feminist Youtube series done with the American Enterprise Institute.  She's an OG feminist from the 60's, like Paglia, and has referred to Paglia as her 'hero' in interviews.

 

Another one I unearthed just a few weeks ago, who is deeply involved with the #GamerGate situation, is Milo Yiannopolous.  He's a colorful character who is as opposed to most modern progressive issues as one can get, and he does a good job of articulating his reasoning for that opposition.  He writes at Breitbart, and as I said is fairly colorful, but if you haven't already read him he might be worth a few minutes scouring their site.  He's a provocative read, that's for sure.  He's a self-described homophobic gay man who has argued that his subculture would serve themselves, and society, better by going back into the closet; and he's been one of the few people arguing that the current transgender conversation is ignoring damning evidence regarding suicide and depression in post-operative gender reassigned people.  Needless to say, he's a provocateur, and he often cites Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers when making his arguments.

 

If you're not familiar with the #GamerGate situation, which started late last year, I would advise that you start with Milo's earlier entries on the subject over at Breitbart and work your way through them until you've got a feel for what it's all about.  #GamerGate might end up being the most important social movement of the early 21st century, and I'm probably underselling the probability by an unacceptable amount.  What started out as an honest examination of poor journalistic practices in the gaming industry was quickly countered by all-out warfare being declared on pretty much all things masculine in video games, and the gaming community has pushed back with reason, fact, and evidence to disprove the usual accusations of prejudice within the community and medium.  Needless to say, their opponents weren't expecting such stiff resistance, and people like Hoff Sommers are hailing #GamerGate as the greatest consumer uprising in human history--and as providing a model by which future uprisings in other venues might succeed against totalitarian agendas.

 

Ok, so I said all of that to say ;-)

 

What's fascinating is that, as you suggest, pro sports are one of the few areas (I cringe at the use of the word 'spaces,' though it might be apt) where openly masculine displays are not only acceptable, but are actively encouraged and celebrated.  The #GamerGate situation was essentially ignited by invocation of nonsenical ideas such as 'toxic masculinity' and 'socially-ingrained misogyny,' which were fairly well disproved by the gaming community in the opening rounds.  But, naturally, the recursive nature of the accusations of so-called 'toxic masculinity's influence on anyone who gets accused of it essentially silenced men from defending themselves against such accusations.  What's been interesting is how many O.G. feminists like Hoff Sommers, gay men like Milo Yiannopolous, and even porn stars are jumping up to defend traditionally masculine men--who have, essentially, been denied the opportunity to defend themselves by the carefully-constructed argument that everything masculine is inherently destructive.  Strange bedfellows, indeed, but the accusations of toxic masculinity and other irrational, baseless theories have been functionally disproved by these people on behalf of men, at least as it pertains to the gaming community.

 

It makes me wonder, as you seem to do above, just how long it will take for the pendulum to swing back the other way.  To my mind, #GamerGate might mark the turning point.  But that might just be wishful thinking.  Still, with the rising popularity of MMA, the NFL, and the gaming community's active pushback against the forces which accuse masculinity of being the root of all evil, it's encouraging to see that people like Carroll--who unabashedly encourages competition, which is nothing if not inherently masculine--enjoying so much success.  I think, as much as being the result of his profound wisdom, the resonance of his message and philosophy is a product of the times we live in.  A hundred years ago members of society would have shrugged their shoulders and collectively replied, 'Duh!' to his suggestion that competition is at the heart of everything we do, or at least it should be if we want to achieve our potential.  But we've undergone such radical ideological shifts at the vocal fringes of society that we do seem to have lost touch with an important part of what got us here.

 

Anyway, that's the best I can do at the moment to reciprocate your linkage to Paglia's Salon articles a few months ago.

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I take it you've read this lecture of hers?  Practically the Bill James of the territory.  She gets a lot more pounds-per-square-inch than Paglia.  ... Camille of course has her own signature culture-acid, but Sommers is quite remarkable.  (No, I hadn't heard of her; I actually read far less politico than most people would imagine.)

Can't wait to read Milo and wallow around in some of her and Sommers' thoughts.  After being drenched in Seattle-area "ovulars" for twenty years, it's pretty cathartic.

:: gracias ::

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[excerpt from the intro]  Just as an aside, I should tell you that all of this notoriety has not been easy for my parents -- who are very liberal and dismayed to find their daughter reviled by people they admire -- like the feminist leader Gloria Steinem--or, much worse, admired by people they regard as diabolical. (My father was driving along a country road in Vermont when he heard conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh praise something I had written. He almost smashed into a snow bank.) But of course, whatever their reservations, my parents remain loyal fans. When a columnist from Playboy magazine interviewed me, my father was eager to get hold of that issue. The problem was how do you buy a copy of Playboy when you are an old-fashioned gentleman, living in a small Vermont town where everyone knows you. He solved the problem by quietly crossing the border into Keene, New Hampshire where no one knew him. He was still more than a little embarrassed: feeling the need to explain himself to the sales clerk he told her, “It’s OK, I’m only buying this because my daughter’s in it.” page3image12488page3image12648

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That MisterJonez might be "applauding threats of rape and death"?  And, if he is, then you'll disfellowship him?  

You've known Jonez a long time and you are well aware that he is a respectful, reasonable man.  Your insult would be uncalled-for no matter who you attacked, much less MisterJonez.

C'mon, Diderot.  We'd like to be able to exchange ideas as if we were adults.   If Jonez' position is not viable, then please do demonstrate that.  With the same tone that Jonez uses.

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I strive to be worthy of it, and I really do try my utmost to be worthy of this outstanding space you've crafted.  You're a mentor of mine; among the top ten most influential people I've had the pleasure of intellectually interacting with in my young life.  That may sound silly since we've never met, and might never do, but you've taught me things about how to think that I could have never gotten even in university classes designed to impart that particular skillset.  I am, and will forever be, eternally grateful for our relationship--narrow and sporadic as it might be.

Just today, about fifteen hours ago I think, a much-anticipated live-stream event called SPJ AirPlay was concluded.  The topic of discussion was GamerGate and how situations like it can be better analyzed by the media, more accurately reported on, and how the broader subject of online hashtag movements necessitate certain changes in journalism practices as well as in the loose leadership of hashtag movements.  In attendance was Milo Yiannopoulos, who had been selected by GamerGate's most popular supporters, along with Christina Hoff Sommers herself who had also been selected!  I was shocked when I saw that she was involved, and though the format wasn't conducive to a great breakdown of GamerGate as a phenomenon, how it happened, and what it really means to the people most affected by it, it was still an excellent half hour or so of examination on how the situation arose.

Unfortunately, eleven proved to be the magic number--the magic number of bomb threats called in on the event's venue, that is, before the authorities had to shut the proceedings down for the safety of all involved.  There didn't turn out to be an actual bomb, but the hour and a half interruption was enough to torpedo at least a half hour of content.  This is the second public gathering of GamerGate's supporters where a bomb threat has been deemed sufficient to warrant measures be taken by local law enforcement--that same cannot be said of the anti-GamerGate crowd.  Draw from that what you will, or draw from it nothing, as is every person's prerogative.

Fortunately for me, and anyone else interested in hearing the thoughts of people directly involved in this issue, Milo prepared a pretty good written statement which he had intended to read during the proceedings but, obviously, was unable to do so given the unexpected truncation.  In it he outlined what he thought were six egregious violations of basic journalism which led to the mischaracterization and, ultimately, that horrible Law & Order episode being produced and aired.  I'll provide a link for anyone who's interested.  However, regardless of one's opinion of GamerGate itself, to my mind there can be no disputing that it is one of the most significant social events of the last quarter century.  It's not getting a lot of press for all the wrong reasons, and what little examination it has been given has probably been done for even worse reasons.  I'll leave you here with Milo's link below.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/15/what-i-meant-to-say-b...

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Hey Jonez, i know you are a good person from the years I've spent reading your posts and comments on this site. But respectfully, that is a very misguided interpretation and recounting of #GamerGate. GG was, is, and always will be about sexism and misogyny in gaming, and the horrific and disgusting harrassment leveled at women that resulted from the exposition of it.

I don't dispute that what you wrote is what the most entrenched male POV is on the subject. But I would really encourage you to spend some time learning about the situation from the female side of the conflict. Women gamers such as Anita Sarkeesian and Brianna Wu have literally been threatened with death and rape for even suggesting that there is sexism in the gaming industry. Of course this type of behavior isn't unique to gaming (places like reddit and other places online have been this hostile towards women for years.

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GamerGate became a thing--and even before then.  I suggest you head on over to Breitbart.com and read Milo's articles on the subject since he entered the arena without any dog in the hunt.  He was a quasi-failed entrepreneur who essentially returned to his journalism roots after his business difficulties.  But if you choose not to do so I'll still try to demonstrate what the situation *actually is* rather than what the mainstream media has told you what it is.

The first step in this whole debacle came a few years back when Jack Thompson infamously lobbied for video games to fall under some form of censorship agency due to what he cited as insidious effects on the minds of our youth with all of the violence and rampant disregard for all of the things that keep society humming.  His claims that video games somehow promote socially unacceptable behavior in a real world context were haphazardly disproven, but when he was llobbying for the creation of a red pen over the video games industry literally every single video game entity in the world united, lock-step against him and fought back with everything they could manage.  They did win, but it felt like a close-run thing at the time (I know; I was a small part of it and I'm not given to histrionics).  But what came from this was the collective understanding that this wouldn't be the last time the video game industry and community would face accusations of this nature, so in a sense the seed was planted and it grew for the better part of a decade following Thompson's defeat.  Video games were left to operate essentially within a free market, and they've continued to grow to the point that they now out-sell Hollywood movies on an annual basis.  Go ahead and google it if you like; they're that big of a deal.

The first thing is that Sarkeesian (who, I must firmly correct you, is not, has not been, nor will ever be a gamer) was very publicly acting distraught about being unable to make her speaking engagements (which, I might also add, only became a possibility for her AFTER she entered the arena of video games to criticize the medium, its products, and those who consume them).  She actually pulled out of several engagements citing fear for her safety, though none of the investigations conducted by campuses where she threatened to, or actually did, pull out of a prearranged engagement revealed situations where they felt it necessary to do more than assign her a personal security guard, which isn't really all that unusual for controversial speakers (as Christina Hoff Sommers can attest).

The second thing that needs to be understood is the nature of how this whole thing kicked off.  So I'll give a little history lesson :-)  This whole GamerGate situation began when Zoe Quinn released a game called Depression Quest which, according to all but one person I've spoken to who actually played the game, was downright dreadful and probably didn't even qualify as a game but rather as an interactive novel of some kind.  The topic was, naturally, psychological depression and examining some of the things people do to themselves, their lives, and those around them when depressed.  But the game itself was horrific, according to the people who played it, and yet it got rave reviews from one of the most powerful games review sites in the world and so a whole slew of people went out, got the game, played it, and were so disgusted with what they felt was a misrepresentation on the part of the supposedly dispassionate reviewers that they decided to dig around and figure out how this reviewer could have gotten it so wrong.

Well, it turns out that Zoe Quinn was having a sexual relationship with one of the prominent figures at the games review site, and a little more digging revealed actual coordinated efforts on the part of this person and colleagues in the field to promote the game because they thought it was an important subject and they knew it would need a little help to get exposure.  This is where the first bit of proverbial feces hit the air circulation system.

Fast forward a bit to Anita Sarkeesian, who leaps into the fray (after publicly declaring herself to be nothing of a video game player during a college presentation on themes in video games, even going so far as to say that she had to spend several weeks researching video games in order to understand the terminology and landscape of the industry; this is all on YouTube for you to peruse at your leisure) ostensibly to defend Zoe Quinn against what she and the people who had attempted to promote her game were terming misogyny and bigotry.  Understand that the people who had the bully pulpit to start this issue were the very game-centric websites which had proven to be corrupt (there was a whole cascade of information brought to light, including an email where major personalities at these games journalism sites secretly tried to determine how to essentially circumvent the free market in bringing what they thought were important issues to the table), and those same games journalists IMMEDIATELY began declaring that anyone who criticized them was a misogynistic, neckbeard, basement-dweller--and THEN the games journalists circulated a slew of articles declaring that gamer culture was dead, and that the aforementioned neckbeards needed t oget over it.

Understand that, until this point, you have NOTHING coming from the consumer side of the argument except, "We want journalistic integrity, meaning primarily objective analysis, in our games journalism.  We don't want agendas forced down our throats; this is a hobby and a lifestyle, so please just report facts objectively and let us make up our own minds."  But right about the time the 'Gamers are dead!' articles hit the e-presses was when the consumers rolled up their sleeves and decided that things were only going to keep going in the direction they had gone if they didn't stand up for themselves.

Back to Sarkeesian for a second.  She has a YouTube channel called Feminist Frequency, and she started a Kickstarter campaign where she asked for I think $6,000 to create a series of videos criticizing sexism in video games.  She received like $150,000 for the campaign, owing primarily to her entering the debate about Zoe Quinn and hurling accusations of bigotry and hatred of women at the people who disliked Quinn's game, Depression Quest.  She routinely crows about this massive amount of money she raised whenever she speaks on campuses about whatever it is she chooses to speak about, which often includes video games but not always.  An interesting point is that she has failed to make the videos she promised she would make, in the time frame she promised to make them, after her Kickstarted was successfully funded.  I don't think it takes tin foil around the ears to suggest that she wasn't really interested in making the videos, but rather she was interested in using the situation to leverage exposure for herself and her ideas.  And she has largely succeeded, so good for her :-)  But she has not been, is not, and likely will never be a gamer--again, you can find the evidence for this if you read people like Milo or listen to YouTube videos made by her many critics--chief among them being the Honey Badger Radio group, which is an eclectic mix of WOMEN including Karen Straughan, whose online alias is GirlWritesWhat and has been an outspoken anti-feminist for several years.  She's also probably the most, or at least top three most, recognizable anti-feminist in the world, and she's like Camille Paglia's ideological sister with the polar opposite personality--that personality being calm, hard-nosed, and ruthlessly brutal in favor of being theatrical, agile, and razor-sharp.

So where does that lead us?  Well, Milo Yiannopoulos is a...let's call him a 'colorful character' who understands and gleefully accepts the role of provocateur.  But when he got involved in GamerGate, he openly confessed that he was not a gamer nor did he ever see himself becoming a gamer.  He had also written several critical articles about gamers where he, too, joined in the bashing of what he thought was an entirely straight white male industry.  So he embarked on this quest to discover what all the fuss was about in GamerGate, and just a few months into his involvement--and after firmly aligning himself on the side of the consumers--he received a syringe and a rodent corpse in the mail at his apartment (the rodent corpse had an artfully placed razor blade in its neck, the meaning of which Milo glibly pontificated about on one of his YouTube videos).  To date, I know of no such analogs for Sarkeesian, Quinn, or Brianna Wu--and every time they've been asked to publicly present these threats, they have refused to do so.  Interestingly, also, is the fact that the FBI's website quite clearly states that if you receive what you deem to be a death/rape/violence threat, you should report it to the authorities and not mention it publicly under any circumstances.  Sarkeesian, Quinn, and Wu immediately made the threats they had allegedly received public affairs by storming to Twitter and tweeting about them (but, again, without providing the actual threats themselves).

Interestingly, Milo went to the police with the evidence of the not-so-sublte threats which he received (syringe and dead rodent) and then continued to do what he does best: investigate and describe the fruits of his investigations in his own peculiar style.  So we've got an interesting situation where champions for the side accusing the other side of threatening gestures doesn't produce evidence of their threats, though they go out of their way to make known that such threats have been received, whereas a champion of the side being accused of intimidation is abiding by the rules by informing the authorities publicly when such gestures are made.

Ok, so now it's time to examine a Twitter hashtag called #NotYourShield to get another angle of the GamerGate story.  #NotYourShield sprang to life after the games journalism sites ran their anti-straight-white-male articles, declaring that their gaming culture was dead and that it was time they accepted the changes that were a-comin'.  Since the games journalists were by and large accusing straight white men of being the heart of the supposed misogyny in GamerGater and, more generally, allegedly in the gaming community, this de facto suggested that anyone who was NOT a straight white man was not only apart from the SWM (sorry, sick of typing 'straight white men' out long-hand) but had every reason to jump onto the anti-GamerGate bandwagon.  Indeed, the anti-GamerGate journalists started invoking minority rights and interests, suggesting that these minorities NEEDED the games journalists to fight on their behalf against the straight white male horde that was oppressing them in their gaming spaces.

This backfired rather spectacularly.

#NotYourShield was comprised ENTIRELY of NON-SWM, and they took to YouTube, Vine, and other video outlets to create videos where users would sit in front of a webcam, clearly showing that they were either not white men or, if they were, then publicly declaring themselves to be not straight.  Latinos, Blacks, ASians, women, trans-folk, gays, and any other non-SWM identity you could think of joined the hashtag movement and said, "Don't use me as a shield to hide your agendas and accusations behind.  I love my gaming culture, the gaming medium, and the community I identify with as a gamer just the way it is, so I am Not Your Shield.  Go make your argument on its merits and leave me out of it because I love my games the way they are."

There is more, but I think I've laid the groundwork here.  People like Christina Hoff Sommers have been publicly interviewed and offered effusive praise for, and support or, GamerGate, calling it the greatest consumer revolution in human history--and a genuinely successful model to fight against totalitarian control in future arenas.  Bear in mind that Hoff Sommers is an OG feminist from the 60's, who stood beside women like Camille Paglia and even present-day enemies like Gloria Steinem back when they were fighting for equal opportunity for women and collectively railing against the injustices committed against women.  That such a high-profile figure would publicly endorse GamerGate, and that she would do so as one of the most recognizeable feminists in the entire world, should give one pause before he/she hurls accusations of misogyny.

What we have is a fast-growing artistic/entertainment medium in video games which sits firmly outside the corridors of power in the Western World (those corridors being Hollywood and the Old Media, which one would assume would gleefully accept the opportunity to impose censorship and/or thematic controls over this terrifyingly powerful new medium).  Is it any wonder then that we see the mainstream media (including popular police procedural television shows!) casting in on the side of the anti-GamerGate crowd of which Sarkeesian, Wu, and Quinn are such prominent figures?  Video games are going to continue to devour market share from Hollywood and television, and we all know that the pie is finite in nature.

This is a consumer revolt against intrusion into a medium, pure and simple.  Nobody is arguing that games like Depression Quest shouldn't be made--my sister played it and liked several of the themes, though she's the only person I've known who didn't roundly condemn it--but GamerGaters started off with the (absurd?) notion that games journalists should be as objective as possible when reporting on, or writing reviews for, new games.  What GamerGaters object to is the coopting of a medium which they enjoy, and which they often feel is their only real outlet in a world that makes less sense with the arival of each successive dawn.  GamerGaters love the idea of artistic games like Depression Quest getting made, but they are (rightly) opposed to having those games presented as deep, fulfilling, rich experiences rather than the quirky, narrow-themed, and less enjoyable ones they actually are.  We all watch indie art house films, and we all watch summer tentpole blockbusters.  What we don't want is the indie art house film to be represented as two and a half hours of rip-roaring fun for the family when, in reality, it deals with the sad, harsh reality of something like suicide, rape, or murder.

The sequence of events, however, has been truly fascinating to see unfold.  The anti-GamerGate crowd's arsenal is well-and-truly depleted (the best they could do at this year's E3 was to declare that the GamerGate movement is done with, for better or worse, so let's all forget about it and move on--ha!), and the GamerGaters are standing strong with victory banners waving over the majority of the field.  Were lines crossed?  Of course they were; that's human nature.  That doesn't excuse line-crossing, or efforts at intimidation.  When such efforts of hostility are made, one should notify the authorities and would generally be wise to follow their advice.  But the willful association of people like Hoff Sommers, who was nowhere near this thing when it began, should probably encourage a person to be a wee bit careful before invoking rampant/embedded misogyny lest he/she end up with rotten egg on his/her face.

I'm not even offended that people assume I'm blind to the 'reality' of this situation; it's what opponents of free speech always claim of those who support freedom of expression (which is, oddly, what this whole situation has morphed into, since only a few weeks after Sarkeesian entered the fray there were calls to soft-censor the entire industry--calls which were quickly retractedwhen the people making them were reminded that this would make them just like Jack Thompson--this was what got me interested early on).  I've been doing this longer than most, and I've been engaged in heated debates on the subject from day two (I wasn't involved in the first week or so of Gamergate, so instead of saying 'day one,' I'll go with 'day two').  I've seen more accusations of bigotry from people who seemingly have no interest in investigating the subject any deeper than reading a Kotaku article.  Frankly, that phase of the conversation is a few hundred miles in my rearview mirror.  The primary advantage of an opinion born of reason is a lack of emotional involvement with it.  I roundly condemn people who have engaged in genuine intimidation attempts against anyone involved in this incredibly important debate, and I do so because I'm on the side holding the evidence and a position born entirely of reason.

I also know nobody in the gaming community who condones the use of threats or intimidation as acceptable beahvior in public life.  For sure there are fringe people on both sides of any given issue who will employ such reprehensible tactics, and those people should be punished according to the law.  But I'll also note that I only ever see GamerGaters saying as much, as a group, while their opponents choose to do nothing but accuse GamerGaters of condoning such tactics.  Taking places like 4chan and 8chan and claiming they represent anything except the absolutely extreme fringe of society is either A) extremely naive, or B) purposefully misleading.  My sister used to lurk there, and it always made me cringe whenever she would cackle darkly at whatever their latest abomination was that sprang to life.

So what has happened as a result of this consumer uprising?  The games journalism industry has been functionally decentralized, with the entities that engaged in collusion and cronyism at the outset of this situation giving way to YouTubers who hadve actually improved on the old model and streamlined gamers' ability to make an informed decision about a game before buying it.  People like Quinn, Sarkeesian, Wu, Yiannopoulos, and others have risen to public notoriety and continued to engage in the debate as often and best as they are able.  And people like Hoff Sommers recognized the magnitude of what was happening in the greater context of freedom vs. totalitariaism and applauded, with no personal/financial stake in the debate, the efforts of those who defended the former in the face of vastly more powerful foes who sought to send them scurrying 'back into their basements' but only ended up poking the bear once too often.

And, most important of all, games designers are still free to create the games they think their consumers will enjoy or, at the very least, which they think convey important themes and conversations about who we are as a species and where we're going.

Freedom won this round, and I'll be forever grateful that it did, though I hope the next time this arises (probably in 5-6 years) we can conduct ourselves with fewer histrionics, more evidence, and generally greater degrees of compassion for people who are different from ourselves.

Also, please refrain from hurling accusations at people when they say things you don't like.  Someone with thinner skin than I might actually be discouraged from participating in the debate...and doesn't that basically mean they would have been intimidated into withdrawing from the debate?  Think about it, please.

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I did find a few examples of rape/death threats that looked like they originated on 8chan or 4chan targeting Brianna Wu.  That kind of thing, as I've said, is deplorable and should be punished to whatever extent our society's laws dictate.  I genuinely don't know what laws would cover the virtual world in spaces like 8chan, but people should abide by whatever laws exist precisely because it's how society wishes to conduct itself.

So I'm saying that I did actually find evidence of death/rape threats against Wu.  I thought it best to say so in a reply rather than via editing my novel above.  Still, anyone familiar with the situation from its outset can see that Ms. Wu is a pretty controversial figure even among her own relatively closed social circles.  But I was following Sarkeesian developments with extreme interest during the height of her initial involvement, and no threats were publicly presented or acted upon by law enforcement officials.  Predictably this led her critics to suggest that she was faking her victimhood in an attempt to garner attention, but I don't need to take it that far--nor would I.  But I would say that the silence on her part was pretty deafening, and it was a major component of the situation as it unfolded in real time since she clearly had no issue with declaring she had RECEIVED the threats, but was unwilling or unable to produce evidence of them.  It does smell fishy, but in the end if she was actually threatened then law enforcement needed to be involved so they could investigate and punish whoever threatened her.

The real tragedy of the intimidation accusations is that they were so far from the center of the original issue, yet somehow managed to coopt the narrative.  I think someone did a breakdown of the tweets sent with the hashtag #GamerGate and found that an identical (and tiny!) fraction of inappropriate words or hostile terms were used on both sides.  Again, this doesn't excuse the behavior, but I think it's naive to think that millions of people can interact on a hot topic without a few poo-flingers getting involved and trying to ruin things for everyone else.

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A few quick things:

- I've read your entire post, and will respond at some point. But there's A LOT to respond to.

- Please don't insinuate I didn't think about my accusations that you were misrepresenting GG.

- You have a lengthy understanding of how you think all of this has unfolded from one perspective, but if I'm going to go spend my time reading Breitbart, I'd encourage you to try to view the situation through another POV as well. You have routinely (and predictably, I have to say) downplayed every single female voice, statement, and point of view in order to further your argument. Sarkeesian "isn't a gamer", and Zoe Quinn's Depression Question "barely qualified as a game".

- You say that those two women, and Brianna Wu should "present evidence that they were threatened" but then you slammed them for making the threats made against them public. Which way would you prefer they handle it?

- You said there was no analog for the dead rat sent to Milo, yet there are multiple well documented examples of people DOXXING and publicly threatening to kill Brianna Wu and her entire family.

- 4chan is not the extreme fringe of the industry, it has millions of users.

So I will go read the Milo writer you mentioned on Breitbart. I think Breitbart is some of the worst content that the internet has to offer, tabloid level quality. But I'll do it.

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My grandparents are from that WWII generation and there is no question that they were tougher than their kids, their grand kids and their great-grandkids. I think that's true for most gen-ex - grandpa was on a destroyer in the South Pacific in WWII or a tail gunner in a bomber in Europe, grandma welded ship hulls or manufactured ammunition. They will tell you that their parents were tougher than them and I believe it. My great grandma came to Montana in a covered wagon as a young girl. From her perspective, my grandma had it pretty good growing up. I wonder about her grandparents. Starving Irish peasant tough, I'll bet. 

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This is what I read:

--"What started out as an honest examination of poor journalistic practices..."

--"The #GamerGate situation was essentially ignited by invocation of nonsenical ideas such as 'toxic masculinity' and 'socially-ingrained misogyny..."

This is simply, and factually, incorrect.  It did not start as any attempt to attack traditional masculinity.  It began as quite the opposite--an overt and real threat of violence against actual women.  Why misrepresent this?  

And because those are the facts, then I would disagree with this: 

--"If you're not familiar with the #GamerGate situation, which started late last year, I would advise that you start with Milo's earlier entries on the subject...."

To me, that's the equivalent of saying a good place to start understanding race relations in America is the recent controversy over flying the Confederate flag.  There may be interesting opinions on both sides of that issue, but that is certainly not the right place to begin understanding the issue.

This may all seem like quibbling to some, but my questrion remains: why misrepresent the facts in order to make a point?

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Though I note that you express no regret for implying that MisterJonez might be applauding threats of death and rape.  Still:

.....

1) What "ignited" the Revolutionary War?

2) Is Maureen Dowd "honest" when she "examines" the state of racism in our country?

When I analyze questions like these, I don't regard my positions as "facts."  I regard them as conclusions, judgments, or opinions.  Perhaps for my benefit you would explain how Jonez' assessment of the "ignition factors" could be "factually incorrect."  

That the Revolutionary War occurred is a "fact."  Why it occurred, that's rather different.

.....

I don't know anything about Gamer Gate and for all I know, the media had a legitimate reaction to recommended violence.  I certainly know that when women are raped in Grand Theft Auto, I'd be all for laws prohibiting the material, but usually my view is not taken seriously.

Appalling material that bothers the left seems to receive calls for suppression; appalling material that bothers the right ("P*** Christ") seems to receive defense in the name of free speech.  This extends to pro-violence black militant groups whose motto is "Equality by ANY MEANS NECESSARY."

I know also that the Vagina Monologues are poisonously pro-gender war, because I've read excerpts.  Do these bother you similarly?  Or no?  Honest question.

.....

But if Wikipedia's (left-wing) representation of the issue is anywhere near accurate, then I'd be all for laws against the "harrassment campaign," as I'd be for laws against all such behavior on both sides of the ball.

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...and I sincerely mean that as a compliment.  It's one of the best things about your site--it promotes conversations that don't often exist elsewhere--at least with two sides of an issue allowed.

But in the end, I guess I have to surrender.  I do not have the bandwidth to respond to the Revolutonary War, Maureen Dowd, Grand Theft Auto, P*** Christ, the Vagina Monologues and the supposed leftward slant of Wikipedia all at the same time.  You win!  (For what it's worth, I thought the BLM disruption of Saunders was unconscionable, and should have reulted in arrests.)

However, I do want to repsond to your (and MJ's) point about 'ignition'.  I stick with my assertion.  It was 'ignited' by threats and anti-female outrages which I know you, and any mentally balanced individual in any society would condemn.  And I say this not as a matter of opinion, but because I have been following this as part of my job since the beginning.  

If the discussion went along different paths in some places, that would not surprise me.  But the irony couldn't be more pronounced.  Gamer Gate was not 'ignited' by trumped-up charges of  'male toxicity'.  Quite the opposite is factually correct.  It began with actual male toxicity, voiced by some unknown number of mentally disabled.   

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be an emotional argument, rather than a rational one with you diderot.  But let's examine what you finished the above post with:

Gamer Gate was not 'ignited' by trumped-up charges of  'male toxicity'.  Quite the opposite is factually correct.  It began with actual male toxicity, voiced by some unknown number of mentally disabled.

I humbly submit to you that you may have just proven my point better than I could have done, and did in fact attempt to do, myself.  I mean no snark, sarcasm, or insult by that; rather, I want to honestly thank you for clarifying one of the central issues of GamerGate.  Again, I intend ZERO snark/insult when I say that.

You seem to presume in the above that toxic masculinity is a hard truth, and that arguing against its existence is intellectually dishonest.  The argument coming from the side of the ball opposite yours is quite simply this: toxic masculinity doesn't exist; bad people exist, and they will behave badly largely independent of societal conventions or other factors like sex, race, or hair color.

The inexorable march against men's rights for the last century or so was nothing if not predictable, and in truth I sympathize with many of those who view masculinity as something that can be inherently dangerous.  It doesn't take a genius to see that the majority of criminals in prison are men, and that men are physically more capable of inflicting violence, as a group, than women are.  But I take genuine offense when considered people condemn men on the basis of their sex as possessing some inherently destructive quality--especially when that quality is at the very heart of what it means to, in fact, BE a aman.  The whole idea of toxic masculinity is naked sexism.  Think about it for a moment.

If one accepts toxic masculinity as being present on a spectrum which includes masculinity and femininity on opposite ends, one must logically then conclude that masculinity is a 'risk factor' for undesirable behavior and should therefore be constrained or monitored.  Again, this is sexist discrimination (masculine bad, feminine good), and it's pretty easy to demonstrate why that's the case, so I assume you're able to make that relatively modest leap for yourself.

Also, you *seem* to acknowledge (after slipping in the notion that toxic masculinity is even a real thing that should be acknowledged, which I steadfastly disagree with) that the people who were most incendiary and vocal in their attacks against Kotaku and Gamasutra staff, or against individuals like Sarkeesian, Wu, and Quinn, were mentally disabled.  I'm not *sure* I'd go so far as to call them mentally disabled (I don't know much about them save for a few of their more creative or incendiary creations, some of which were genuinely clever and some of which were reprehensible) but I would definitely say that they were acting in an unacceptable fashion and the whole discussion would have been cleaner and more efficient if they hadn't entered the fray--especially because theirs was a finge-y issue in the affair which got lodged center-screen by the people they targeted. 

But the sad thruth is that people gonna people (meaning that we, as humans in large groups, will invariably exhibit extreme, unacceptable behaviors given a long enough timeline and sufficient opportunity), so whenever something broad-reaching falls under the public eye you're bound to have nutjobs throwing their hats into the ring trying to coopt the situation for their own agenda (which is EXACTLY what happened with feminists like Sarkeesian, Wu, and to a lesser degree Quinn by invoking that this whole thing was a sexism issue, so it should come as no great surprise that nutjobs opposite them would do likewise).  To indict an entire culture or community because of the unsanctioned actions of its lunatic fringe is pretty well agreed, by the entire Western World, to be unfair at the very least and outright bigoted at the very worst.  Just look at the current conflict the West is having with Islam if you need proof of this unanimously-held Western cultural belief.
 

So this leads to a conundrum of conflicting standards, it seems, and in my opinion that is why this debate hasn't gone away.  If one is willing to indict an entire sex based on the simple fact of their birth by labeling them all 'potential rapists' or other truly insane demonstrations of logical fallacy based on the notion that toxic masculinity is a real thing, then one must logically be willing--eager, even!--to also indict all Muslims as 'potential terrorists,' or all poor people as 'potential criminals,' or all teenagers as 'potential thieves,' etc. ad nauseum.  I'm not saying it's internally inconsistent to hold those particular opinions (that Muslims are all potential terrorists, or that all men are potential rapists, and so on), but it *seems* to me is that the dissonance caused when people who pride themselves on tearing down labels and undoing stereotyping across society run headlong into the reality of their argument relying on stereotyping huge swaths of men as being misogynistic or bigoted, has only grown as this GamerGate controversy has raged on.  But we don't see this patently unfair tool employed against groups uniformly; instead, we see it selectively applied and only when it suits a politically vogue purpose, and that should be enough to cause anyone to stand up and take notice.

Also, what's wrong with starting a conversation about the Confederate Battle Flag based on the last six months of political discourse?  The flag itself was nothing but a rag with some ink on it; the context of the debate raging over its status as a social symbol is ALL that matters, in my opinion, so the immediate period preceding its widespread condemnation becomes more than just important to understanding what that flag represents to societ at large--it is the central point of the discussion!

We should probably transplant this whole subthread to another post before going much further, though.  I don't want to associate all this negativity with a Pete Carroll post :-(  T'was not my intent.  And honestly, Doc, if I need to put my head down just say the word.  I have *NO* wish to turn this particular patch of Holy Ground into a field that serves host to battles you have no interest in.  This is your place, more than anyone else's, so lemme know if you'd prefer I butt out with my stronger, non-sports opinions.

Also, an important clarification: 'anti-feminist' does NOT mean 'anti-female.'  That's like saying 'anti-NAACP is anti-Black people,' or 'anti-Union is anti-workers.'  Those are among the clearest examples of nonsequitur statements as a person can possibly make, and the clarificaiton I make above between 'anti-feminist' and 'anti-female' is *critically important* for the purposes of discussing GamerGate.  So you might have actually intended to say 'anti-female,' or you might have meant 'anti-feminist.'  Either way, I'm saying there's a clear, undeniable distinction between the two and it's important to communicate using workds and ideas we understand to a roughly equal degree.

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A few random thoughts on the original post... This likely won't be coherent - warning!

Contrary to the commonly help view that millenials are all softies for being raised as "special snowflake," I actually find the opposite to be true. As a result of that upbringing, in addition to coming of age during the great recession, and seeing all of the generations-old establishments crumbling around them, I find our generation to be resilient, resourceful, and intrinsicly motivated. I don't know if that's orthogonal to the "toughness" issue, but it does surface a level of self-reliance and independance that may seem unexpected. Entrepreneurship is more valued than ever (vs. landing a 30 year gig at IBM for example). Self expression, the blurring of gender lines, and the acceptance of different lifestyles to me convey extreme confidence, not weakness. I think freedom of thought, in that way, allows us to stop worrying about whether we are doing things the right way, and instead focus on new areas of interest and accomplishment that weren't previously thought possible.

Told you this might get incoherent ;)

Regarding the BLM protests at Bernie's rally, I think it's interesting and uncomfortable for many people. There's a trope accepted by white "liberals" that even if you're trying to make change, you need to act respectfully. When it comes to structural racism in America I think respectability as a tactic has been proven worthless. So BLM is taking a different tact. What's super interesting is that it flies in the face of "progressives" that love to think of themselves as above racism. A recent episode of This American Life regarding school integration in rich, white neighborhoods shows how much of a fallacy that is.

I'm not really going anywhere with this, so I'll wrap up. I think it's hard for people to understand the POV of Black Lives Matter completely. And so the best thing to do, for me at least, is to just stand and listen carefully and try to understand.

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++ When it comes to structural racism in America I think respectability as a tactic has been proven worthless. ++

Are you saying that Barack Obama, Will Smith, and LeBron James are no better off than they'd have been two generations ago?  Race relations in the USA are no better than they are in Nigeria?

I know you to be a reasonable guy Dan, so I'll ask.  Isn't this drastically overstating black victimhood in 2015?

President Obama is eminently respectful in his approach to race relations.  We should regard his efforts as WORTHLESS?

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Certainly those three examples you mentioned are much better off than they would have been two generations ago in America. Perhaps me calling respectability worthless was going overboard.

But it hasn't retruned the dividends that those in power (generally white men) have promised over the years. I think Barack himself has admitted that he has to be twice as good as if he were white, and even still he won't be treated the same by some in the MSM.

Take a look at how the police interact with african americans. If they don't respect an order in the same way that a white person does, they generally get a much worse fate and no "benefit of the doubt" that their counterpart would get. And even if they do follow the orders, that often doesn't matter either.

Would we be having the conversation about policing in America without widespread protests and confrontational behavior? I doubt it. Asking nicely doesn't get you to A-1 in the newspaper. And having this conversation isn't a nice to have if you are in that community - it's existential.

See the rates of suspension for wihte vs. black children. Even at a young age they are seen as more suspect and worthy of punishment.

Martin Luther King Jr. his ownself, preacher, well known pacifist and practitioner of non-violence was routinely met with death threats from every direction INCLUDING from the FBI. And was ultimately assassinated of course. What better example of respectability is there, and still that's how he was treated.

So while I certainly think Barack Obama has done a lot for race relations, namely his election in the first place and how amazingly well he has represented our country... look at where we still are wr/t/ policing, Ferguson, etc.

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A provocative idea, Dan, that Washington D.C. correspondents hold President Obama to a much higher standard than they hold (say) Mitt Romney.  Do you have a couple of names to toss at me?

Is it genuinely your impression that the NY Times, and their 300-odd newspaper cohorts, generally are tougher on Obama than Romney or Palin?

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It's a problem.

If you talk to real cops, they'll tell you they profile because the vast majority of their "customers" do in fact fit the general characteristics they're looking for ...

... but in this case I definitely empathize with your side of the ball.  Supposing it WERE true that 50-year-old bald, bearded white males are disproportionately guilty of carrying bombs onto airplanes, relative to 81-year-old females.  I STILL want a (black) TSA agent to assess me freshly, as a new individual, rather than glaring at me, gathering three friends, and demanding I take off my shoes.... 

Which they do, LOL.  I have a menacing physical appearance, I've been told, and authority figures have always treated me exactly that way.  Particularly minority women, in authority, *react* to me resentfully in the first few seconds, as if I'd done something in the past to harm them.

.......

Even if you could demonstrate that Group X had a tendency to commit Crime Y, the right thing to do is to treat the next Group X'er you run into as an individual.  I don't receive that courtesy, but I do believe in it.

........

My question is --- > to what extent ANYONE, on either side of the ball, is capable of avoiding that first-3-seconds sizing up that the human mind seems to do.

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That's a compelling illustration of the self-reliance of today's whiz kids.  There are some young people who seem to take problems in a breeze -- "yeah, I lost my leg skiing.  That sucks."  :: with big chuckle ::

Enjoyed it thoroughly.  +1

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By millenials, I mean people in their 20's. I think that's the right definition. Anyway, all I wanted to say is that these people mostly impress me, the ones that I know personally anyway. For the most part, they seem like they have their "stuff" together in a way that I certainly didn't at that age. It took me until my mid-30's (about 10 years ago) to start figuring things out.

Of course, the bias in my perspective is that I live in Seattle in a higher income area (Queen Anne) and I work in Redmond, and so I suspect that the millienials I'm running into on a daily basis are more of the upper echelon than the norm for that generation, but still, these are the ones that the media tells us are so self-absorbed with a sense of entitlement, and I just don't see that a whole lot. 

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Um, yeah :- )

Also the 20-something medical professionals I've run into are just as resilient as their forbears.  

I think the discussion started with the faces we see on TV, the professional victims, and the 50th-percentile K-12 grad whom I personally KNOW to be much less inclined to schoolwork than students 50 years ago.

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You know, I think there is something to this, to the erosion of notions of traditional masculinity. Yes, there has been a change in gender dynamics. But I think it's largely overblown and exaggerated. I've certainly never felt that contemporary culture is constraining my inherent masculinity.  

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Because, in the words of Camille Paglia, I "cannot speak in my own voice; I must speak in one coerced by feminists."  Discuss Frank Clark, anyone?

Also, I've been to marriage counseling, both times with state-licensed, state-educated female counselors and ... you don't want to know.

But yeah.  Your point is well taken GLS.  I'm hardly a Jew in Iraq.  :: daps ::

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I think part of the frustration is men coming to terms with how it might have felt to be a woman since... forever :) Men speaking our mind has always been the default, and when confronted with the idea that our opinion isn't the most valid just because we said it, it feels strange.

Doc I'm not saying that's you – just one read on it, though.

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I've got zero need to have my opinions validated before I say them.  I'm perfectly willing to try to validate them after I say them.  You and I are not meeting for the first time here.

;- )

My fight, as you have observed for 10 years, is to BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK IN MY OWN VOICE without PC backlash.  I'm unable to identify a case where this works the other way around -- where a feminist is not free to say whatever comes to mind, up to and including the accusation that all males are potential rapists by their very nature, and should be treated as such.

What we in the minority are after, is a free exchange of ideas, both sides able to offer their views without (for example) being accused of "applauding threats of rape and death" right out of the chute.  Perhaps this mirrors the plight of women 100 years ago; that's a topic well worth exploring.

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1.  Jonezie has given a lot to respond to, no doubts there.  He's argued fairly, but it's the prosecution's turn :- )

2.  For whatever reason, I'm finding this subject much less info-taining than the typical Konspiracy Korner, with fewer audience members showing interest, and more irritation back-and-forth than normal.  Best thing might be to let Dan close.

Dan, how 'bout you let me know in the Shout Box when you're ready to comment and then we'll open the comments up for yer.

Warmly,

Jeff