Erasmo, 3.15.12 - Dr's Prognosis

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=== Curve Ball ===

Erasmo's curve is his third pitch.  For most guys, a curve is a "deuce."  For Erasmo, a curve ball is definitely a "trey."

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It has a bit of an unusual shape -- it stays up pretty much, and breaks wayyy in on a LH hitter.

He throws it about 78-80 mph, whereas the change is 80-82, so here's your "snake tongue" effect, two pitches with the same velocity that break in opposite directions.  Halladay, Lee, and Haren use this factor to star in the big leagues.

He threw 7 of them, 6 for strikes.  He did get one of them hit hard, an 0-2 curve belted deep to CF for an out.  Blowers chewed him out on TV for getting that much of the plate on 0-2.

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The curve is definitely useful, but is a rather pedestrian pitch.  The Giants' hitters didn't have a lot of trouble timing it; they got the top half of the ball several times, as is usual with curve balls.  On the other hand, he did not "hang" any curves and I don't figure he will.  It's almost more like a slow cut fastball than something that would roll and hang.

So, that's a cool thing for a third pitch.  Usually you're scared of something bad happening on your worst pitch.  With Erasmo, that's not really the case; it's just that the curve is not a putaway pitch.

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We're talking about one game.  Maybe when he gets the curve ball down, it bites better.  We'll see.

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=== Grades ===

Here is the effectiveness of his toolbox on March 15th.  "Fastball" considers velocity, location, movement and deception -- just how good it is at beating hitters.

50 is average; 60/Plus is better than major league standard; 70/Plus-Plus is a special weapon that can win games in MLB all by itself; 80/Plus-Plus-Plus is like Rickey Henderson's speed or Randy Johnson's fastball.

60% Fastballs 60, Plus Established it easily.  Good zip
24% Changeups 60-70, Plus Defied Giants hitters with impunity
14% Curve balls 45, Mediocre 6/7 strikes, but not much bite
Makeup 70 How does a little rookie act like this?
Pitchability 60-70, Plus Stayed ahead in count, mixed well, but little knowledge of hitters
Overall 60 Pitched like a good SP in majors, right now

If Erasmo executed those pitches exactly, he'd be like the 25th- or 30th-best pitcher in the American League in 2012.

If, on the other hand, Erasmo started showing the Doug Fister, Dan Haren command he gets credit for ... then, yes.  You'd be talking about a Fister type of landing in the American League.

Dennis "El Presidente" Martinez was a guy who used to pitch in the template that Erasmo showed Thursday -- short RHP with good command of a 92 fastball, hump up to 94-95 maybe, good curve, good change, pitch ahead in the count.

If Erasmo has better command than this in him, somewhere, then he could be a pretty exciting young pitcher.  Doug Fister didn't throw 94 mph.

My $0.02,

Jeff

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Every pitcher in camp seems to be throwing harder now. Eliot's program seems to be working.
Pineda 3 straight starts with his velocity around 90mph. At this point, Cashman has to be worried. Some guys gradually warm up in ST and some guys juice a little extra in shorter outing, but Pineda was never this slow last ST.
Hype on Walker is out of control. Stock waaay up. Bet if you tossed him on the market he'd be valued similar to a young proven ace. Walker+Franklin+Liddi for Lawrie? Just saying.. Would love to hand Longoria deals to both Montero and Lawrie. :-)

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Give G huge credit for touting Erasmo all along.
I don't really buy into the 94+ on the gun, but he doesn't need that -- he's got the east-west, up-down, faster-slower, all right-around-the-zone mix that ought to work at 91ish just fine.
My thing on minor leaguers is looking at XBH + BB either produced or prevented.  Erasmo gave up XBH or BB in only 11.8% of batters faced.  Not as good as Campos (who was pure death on batters -- only 9.0%), but better than Walker (14.3%) and Paxton (17.3%).
He's certainly moved ahead of Beavan -- does he move ahead of Noesi or Iwakuma?
 
 

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Lonnie and I don't always agree on prospects, but we always have with Erasmo.  When he was throwing 90 I liked him.  His attitude and his changeup are definite weapons, as is his control.
And as for the radar gun...
In Tacoma, he reads 94 on the gun.
In Colorado Springs? 94.
In Peoria? 94.
It may not seem like it (and I don't think his FB looks to hitters like it's 94) but he'll hit it on the gun.
Dude is a pitcher.  It's kinda incredible to me how many of those we have AFTER trading away our #2 and #3 pitchers.  I'd still rather have Fister back than the return we got for him, but if Erasmo can give me most of that then I've got very little to complain about.  Especially if Ruffin and Furbush help stabilize the pen.
I'm hoping Beavan is working on a long-relief role.  He might find a couple mph and maybe a K that way too.
~G

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no wonder Z keeps talking him up.
So Ramirez and Noesi both bring it 94+ and they're, what, about our 6th or 7th best starters?
Guess we can fit Felix in as a long reliver in 2014.

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He's short and even at 94 he does not overpower anybody.  Like it's 2-0 and Pineda, Verlander, CC, Felix can come right in and say "here it is, hit it," and beat the hitters just mano-a-mano?  Erasmo can't do that.  He doesn't have a top-10 fastball.
But he is plenty long, and he loves to take batters up in the zone.  It gets on the batters real quick.  
If they aren't dialed up for the fastball, first time every time, they'll be embarrassed.  His fastball is so sharp that his change and curve play way up.
Am groping for the right phrase here:  it's not an overpowering fastball but it commands respect at all times.  John Lackey, Matt Garza, Jon Lester.  That kinda fastball.

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