The 1970's Dodgers
Assembly-line baseball

 

Mo' Dawg and others have talked about the 1970's Dodgers, who had a 10-year infield, albeit no Big Boppers.  Gordon finally spoke for the (bored and annoyed!) crowd, asking who the 1970's Dodgers were ;- )

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So are those Dodgers the team we look like?

It was well before my time, so I have no reference really.  Going forward, who is this team?  I mean, how many teams have a 3B / SS / 2B trio looking like 110 OPS+ players, or more - I mean how high could those three go? If Smoak is also now for real, our entire infield is full of offensive forces, except for catcher - oh, wait, isn't that what Zunino is supposed to grow into?

I mean, it looks like a Yankee lineup, except they'd get all those guys once they were on 200 million dollar contract.

The 2006 Yankees infield put up these OPS+ numbers: 134, 132, 126, 122, 72.  This version of the Ms so far with Miller and Franklin? 141, 141, 133, 124, 69.

And Zunino has some growth to get. *laughs* BTW, Ibanez at 146, Morse at 117 and Morales at 126 really makes us dangerous... for a couple more months.

Now, that ain't gonna stay, but seriously a basically free infield, all of whom are not just plus for their positions but plus amongst all players?  Yeesh.  I don't know who's ever had that - all club-controlled, young, plus bats.

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What the 1970's Dodgers LOOKED like

... to me, as a 10-year-old who was introduced to baseball by the Big Red Machine, and who thought that Morgan-Rose-Bench was just kinda my good luck...

... was the Dodgers looked like a pitching team.  They always had 4-5 All-Star starting pitchers (a la the Braves of the 90's, pretty much), and you'd look in the paper on May 15 and their Big Three would be 21-2.

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Their offense?  They always seemed to have a lineup completely full of "pesky" hitters.  There was no DH, of course.  The Big Red Machine would go into Dodger Stadium and I couldn't figure out how we'd lose 7-5 all the time.

Nowadays I realize that Ron Cey, Reggie Smith, Davey Lopes etc were a lot better than "pesky."  But that was the thing... how come these guys always had a good player at EVERY position, offense and defense?  It created an impression like they were IBM, manufacturing quality at will.

Obviously this was all made possible by the fact that the infield was ALWAYS stacked.

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The IBM assembly line... we once went through and figured out that the Dodgers manufactured 11 top-of-rotation starters in 5 years, or something.

The year I started following baseball, they had Don Sutton, Tommy John, Andy Messersmith was actually their ace ahead of those two ... they had Claude Osteen in the #4 slot and he'd have definitely been our Opening Day starter on the Reds.  Al Downing was #5 and he was a good starting pitcher ... 

Just a few years later they had Rick Rhoden, the famous knuckleballer Charlie Hough, they'd pull some guy named Doug Rau out of nowhere and that guy would win 16 games with a 2.57 ERA.  Of course I didn't know about park effects, but still.  Al Downing.   

Then in 1977 -- that's still in a Jack Zduriencik 5-year time frame -- here are Bob Welch, Dave Stewart, and Rick Sutcliffe.  These ain't one-year pitchers... add up the career W's for those 12 guys we just listed.  

Obviously somebody better ask Tommy Lasorda about pitcher longevity?  Not sure whether we have the Lasorda / Alston section in this factory or not.

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Ah-Nold "What, Do You Guys Come Off An Assembly Line or Something?" Dept.

They had relievers, too... Mike Marshall won the Cy Young one year.  Ahhh, pardon my indulgence.  Somebody asked me what it was like, watching baseball when I was a kid.  :- )  How can you resist?

Anyway, like we say ... the Dodgers LOOKED like IBM.  Just stamp off one tin can after another ...25 good players in 25 good slots.

Is Jack Zduriencik within reach of achieving the same situation?

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M's Watcher's picture

I was a big Dodgers fan as a kid in the Puget Sound area, pre-Mariners. The Pilots were an aberration, and were quickly stolen by Bud and company to Milwaukee. The Dodgers were one of my Strat teams and I followed them closely, or as much as I could with the Sporting News and Baseball Digest, back in the day. Cey had a couple big years there, and I got to watch whenever they played in Tacoma. My mom frequently got the Weyerhaeuser box seats by 3B. Cey was always harassed for running like a Penguin and for wearing "Red Goose Shoes", as the uniform had them wearing red shoes.
Also on those teams were Davey Lopes, Tom Paciorek, Steve Yeager, Charlie Hough, and a bunch of others.

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Played high school basketball against Cey in Tacoma in 1965-6. He was an excellent basketball player: quick not fast, heady, great hands, very solid jump shot, understated athleticism. Fun to hear people relive his MLB exploits. Seager has a lot of similar qualities to Cey, but I think Kyle is a little faster.

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They imported big-time talent to supplement the big-time prospects they developed, else they'd have never got where they got in 1974-78.(Three World Series, the last two competing with the Big Red Machine in all it's glory.
In '72 they added Tommy John (from the White Sox) to the rotation.
In '74 they imported two key players, The Toy Cannon, Jimmy Wynn (from Houston), and Mike Marshall (from Montreal), who provided some all-time great closing. Wynn's power and RBI bat and Marshall's 200 IP out of the pen propelled them from being a young up and coming team to a World Series team that year.
In '76 they brought in Dusty Baker (from Atlanta) AND Reggie Smith (from StL) to bolster offensive production and hold down 2 OF positions.
In '77 they added the third out-of-towner to the OF, Rick Monday (from the Cubs), and Burt Hooton to the rotation (also from the Cubs).
In '78 they added Billy North (from the Oakland A's).
So yes, they had a homegrown core, but that core alone, for all it's success, would not have allowed them to do what they did. The farm cranked out infielders and SOME of their pitching needs, but they add BOLDLY from outside talent to put the full recipe together. History, in this case does NOT allow ourselves to think one-dimensionally, that somehow homegrown talent alone created the Dodgers of the '70's. It just ain't so.
And we should not fool ourselves into thinking the same about the Seattle Mariners. We need to remember something, and think long and hard about it. Where would this team be, even with Seager, Miller, Franklin and Smoak, without imports Raul Ibanez and Kendrys Morales? Oh, and we imported Iwakuma as well, didn't we?! And Oliver Perez? Where would this team be without them?!

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A pretty impressive lot:
Ron Cey: Got the full time 3B job in '73, held it for 10 years. Had low OPS's of 104 & 111. Had high numbers of 142, 143, 143. B-R has him as the 250th best hitter of all time. Tony Perez, the slugging 3B for the Big Red Machine is # 235. Paul Konerko is #234. Bill Madlock, a hitting-machine 3B is 236, Cey was in that class. Very good. Underrated.
Bill Russell got the fulltime SS job in '72. He held it for 12 seasons, basically averaging almost 90 OPS...in an ERA where SS's weren't expected to hit. He was a gritty out and a better than advertised hitter.
Davey Lopes: Became the fulltime 2B in '73, stayed there for 7 seasons. His low OPS was 87, his high 128. But those numbers are low because he was one of the very best base-stealers of his generation. He led the league twice (77, 63) and in his age 33-34 seasons he swiped 89 bases and was caught 8 times. He once hit 28 homers. He was a very good offensive player. B-R says he's number 274. Johnny Pesky is 281.
Steve Garvey RBI machine. Got the 1B job in '73 (converted 3B). For the next 7 seasons he neer hit below .297. B-R says he's the 163rd best hitter ever. Albert Belle is #165.
Imagine an IF of Perez, Pesky, Belle and a good hitting SS.
That's what the Dodgers had for 7 seasons.
We have something like that in the works, Lord willing and the creek don't rise.
Be glad.
moe

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blissedj's picture

Mustache ratio for young M's is too low. Ackley tried to compensate by growing a full beard, hasn't hit since and got kicked out of the infield picture. I propose a soul patch for Franklin, mutton chop sideburns for Seager (closely cropped), and thin pencil mustache for Miller.

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Thank you for sharing your memories. I remember Lopes and Cey as always getting hits, always being on base. I have never been a Dodger fan, Willie Mays, Lou Brock and Bob Gibson held my attention and affection. The Dodgers put up a stiff challenge to the A's for top team in California in the 70's. Tacoma has seen some great ball players come through. And John Halama is still the only PCL player to pitch a perfect game, right?

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The Card dynasty of the late 60's featured Orlando Cepeda (MVP) and Roger Maris. Flood, Gibson, Brock, McCarver and Carlton were not enough. But it is so great to see these kids push past Morales and Ibanez. They showed the way, and these kids are responding.

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No 'tats, no 'staches, and get Smoak to drop the gawd-awful chaw. Let these guys looks like kids. They'll be stealthy assassins that way.
Maybe Z can lay down some kind of Marge Schott law for the new M's.
moe

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M's Watcher's picture

Yeah, I like the look from Reggie Smith and Dusty Baker, ha, ha. I like Miller's stirrups, along with the no batting gloves. I can't stand the marching band pants look, a la Barry Bonds. Bonds looked like a drum major and maybe could have pulled off the look, if only he wore the Willie Davis/Oscar Gamble big 'fro.

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