Echo Box: 'Analysis' with a 4-Hour Shelf Life
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This is a baseball chat, not an application for internship.  Take a hike, LrkrBoi.  Your friend, Jeff.

Our best buds sez,

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KingCorranChurchill says better than Upton, worse than Harper. Bautista? zobrist? cargo? Braun? Adam Jones (by his definition, not mine)? Can't see werth or holiday...4 hours 47 min ago
moethedogIf this isn't a deal that comes together easily it probably isn't a guy like Byrd, even though Crasnick is a Philly guy. Darin Ruf K's a lot but has hit 20 homers in less than 400 MLB AB's. But a guy like that shouldn't be too hard to deal to get. If it takes that long there may be several pieces to the trade. He has links to Boston. Victorino should be easy peasy. Craig? Werth in Washington is likely way too expensive. Interesting....5 hours 22 min ago
malcontentI've been thinking it might be a good idea to switch Jackson and BJ Upton for that purpose (having a Justin Upton bargaining chip). With Austin Jackson looking like the latest bug to splat into Safeco, BJ might be as likely a bounceback candidate as Jackson is, so if it brings the asking price on Justin down, I'm all for it.5 hours 45 min ago
Bat571Crasnick tweets it's a RH bat that hasn't had a lot of speculation about it - that doesn't sound like Upton!5 hours 51 min ago

- See more at: http://seattlesportsinsider.com/article/echo-box-actual-value-mlb-rental...

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I think Crasnick said, "His sense of it was" that it was a new idea, right?  Ask me what I think of a beat writers "sense of things" :- ) 

No worries, mate.

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Better than Justin Upton, huh.  In related news, the Seahawks have a trade in place for somebody better than Percy Harvin.

Yet, worse than Harper ... OK, I'll buy in.  Harper does set a ceiling a decent ways above Upton.  Not that we're putting tons of stock into that particular window framing, but ... like Corran sez, Jason has an ear to the ground at times.  "Upton?  Harper?" goes the e-mail one way.  "Better than Upton, but not up to Harper," comes back the e-mail.  Conceivably!  we sez.

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Corey Dickerson?  Jose Bautista?  You might conceivably peg Ian Desmond as "better than Upton."  Marlon Byrd wouldn't have been that at age 30, much less age 38.  Ben Zobrist?  He's equal to Upton in his UP scenario.

B.J. Upton as a 4th outfielder, to entice the Braves to relinquish Justin Upton?  Now we're off topic, but Dr. D would need a lot of convincing on B.J. Upton even to justify the #25 roster slot.  

Shannon Drayer thinks the incoming bat would be one considerably less talented than Justin Upton.  The Seattle Times agrees, saying that the M's just won't give up "big prospects."  You'll have to explain to me, in one-syllable words so I can understand it, how you put 37 people onto the 25-man roster, two years from now.  Must be the New Math.

Andre Ethier is considered over at The Think Tank.  He certainly isn't better than Upton in any sense, except in the sense that he won't be digging into the batter's box with one eye glancing back at his National League free agent tour coming up.

Carlos Gonzalez?  Another matter of opinion where he ranks vis-a-vis Kemp and Upton.  Denver, Colorado ranks him higher.  The surgeons don't.  Sea level is conflicted about the matter.

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Wil Myers?  Is he considered better than Kemp, axs John Pierce?  Why give up Taijuan for Myers?   No doubt at this point the "net value" enters in.  Myers would have allowed the M's to recoup a lot of 2017-18 options that wouldn't exist with Kemp on the payroll.

Ron Shandler's characterization on Myers is "a wild card with enormous upside."  Equals Brad Miller.  I wouldn't bet anything I was afraid to lose, that Miller won't outhit Wil Myers starting now until the end of time.  

But!  Jack Zduriencik is known to love Myers.  Very conceivable that ZDURIENCIK would characterize the return as better than Upton or Kemp.

Thirteen sez, on Twitter:  Taijuan for Myers:  who sez No?  Dr. Detecto sez no, with Post-Hype Myers v2.0 now being redundant against Miller or D.J. or some combination thereof.  But he doesn't feel strongly about it.

And apparently doesn't need to, since at this (later) writing, the press is fitting Myers for a Padres jersey...

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On Twitter :: ssssiiiiiighhhhhhhh dr d sells out ::  we see this:

Source says the Mariners big hitter acquisition is Jose Bautista, which will complete the Michael Saunders trade.

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Jose blinkin' Bautista?  You'd have me wavering as to my death grip on K-Pax his ownself.  But why stop at Bautista?  Is Miguel Cabrera not available?  We thought it was only Boston that lusted after the multi-sport championship rampage.

At long last, you are speaking Dr. D's language here.   Fun, if only for an hour.

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If what I'm seeing on B-Ref about Bautista's contract is correct, the M's would get his 2015 season and a team (not mutual or player!) option on his 2016 season, both at $14 million. Bautista turned 34 this past October.
Buatista for 2 years would be worth a lot, because it gives your OF talent in the farm that long to develop.
We can hope for a few hours until news comes out about whatever player we are really getting...and who knows, in a few hours we might be nearly as giddy as we were after the Cano signing, or at least the Cruz signing.

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We might be talking the Cubs' Justin Ruggiano. Never heard of him, he appears to be a late blooming RH OFer who burst on the scene in Miami late in 2012 at the age of 29, showing some real pop in less than 300 AB's in 2012. Blah season in 2013, traded to Chicago where he got a couple hundred AB's and put up a VERY modest .281 avg with only a .429 slug.
PREDICTION: We will land somebody with a talent level between Jose Bautista and Justin Ruggiano.

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