Bobby Valentine: These Guys Could Use a 600-lb Gorilla (3)

Q.  600-lb. Gorilla managers can spark rebellion.

A.  So can guys who try to set records for letting the umps do what they want...

No, seriously, there are a few Piniellas and LaRussas and Bakers out there who transcend a clubhouse.  Those guys can command a ballclub.  Bobby Valentine, unless we're mistaken, is in that group.

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Q.  Any other successes he had, besides the Rangers and Mets?

A3.  Valentine's managerial success in Japan cannot be dismissed.  That is a challenge he was given, a difficult one.  He aced it, big time.

His Japanese success speaks well to Valentine's intelligence, to his agility and to his people skills.  And it was just flat good baseball managing.

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Q.  What else would we judge Valentine on?

A.  This is just a quick primer as to why Valentine interests:  he's a sabermetrically good manager, one who has had good on-field results.  He's 600-lb. gorilla for a 3-5 year span.  It's not easy to find those guys.

But a serious evaluation of Valentine would include a bunch of stuff:  how well does he develop young players?  How do pitchers hold up under him?  How well does he recognize talent?  How well does he coach technically, find swing flaws and stuff like that?

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There is major advantage in bringing in an "opposite" to follow Wakamatsu.  Sees the problems Wok didn't.

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Q.  You think maybe he's persona non grata?

A.  Earlier, we wondered about that.  A guy with Valentine's very decent success, it's weird that he should be out of baseball for several years.

But here he is, making noises about the next opportunities.  That strongly suggests he's still in the club.

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And, of course, gives you a taste for what is good and bad about Bobby Valentine, that he's publicly lobbying for jobs currently held by other men.  :- )

BTW, now that we look around the net a bit, we see that Valentine has been seriously linked to the Marlins this summer.  Evidently that puts the kibosh on these SSI concerns.

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Q.  Is Valentine a Chuck and Howard kind of guy?

A.  Yeah, I think so.  He's photogenic, likeable, positive, well-spoken (they're not going to put Lou Piniella on ESPN in heavy doses).  Presentable in corporate circles and to the media. 

From Zduriencik's point of view, here's a shot at another NL guy.  No disrespect intended, but Capt Jack will know Valentine, respect him, etc.

Valentine's a Japanese manager into the bargain, and I hear the M's are a bit of a Japanese org.

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Q.  Leaving us where?

A.  I dunno if Valentine's the best choice for next manager.  But I do know that he should be on the 4-man short list.

Give NYM a nickel for a rundown on the dude.  Or anybody else who knows more than SSI does about him.

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BABVA,

Dr D

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G_Moneyball and I got together Friday evening for some brews and to talk baseball.  We touched on quite a few topics, but we did spend some time on the Bobby V idea.  Together, we both love the idea of Valentine managing the club with preferably Darrin Brown as his bench coach or even 3rd base coach.  Darrin has intimate knowledge on what makes a lot of these players tick (Saunders, Moore, Tui, Josh Wilson, French, etc.) and what it takes to get the most out of them.  The tandem of the two would be "perfect". 
Valentine would be the glue that holds it all together, and Brown would be the guy who interfaces a bit more directly with the younger players.
I like this idea.  I like it a lot!
 
Lonnie

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But if you, G and D agree on any one thing, you know it gotta be so.
Huh!  Thought the Valentine idea would be considered crazy, but here it is endorsed by the best.  Guess we're in like flint, eh? :- )

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If Kruk works, Sweet Lou is a shou-in...
Think we heard that Lou did some TV for George back in the day, so it's not like he couldn't clean up for ESPN, I guess.  Stand corrected.
Can't imagine that Howard appreciated hearing the KJR guys laughing about Piniella's dirty undershirts, though...

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