Gubicza on the Young M's Greed for Success
And don't doubt this was one kewl pitcher, dude

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TJM sez,

With MLB blacked out locally was forced to watch the Angel's broadcast of this series. Mark Gubicza, one of their color guys and a pretty good sinker-slider righthander before injuries slowed him down, repeatedly made the point during the broadcsts that Ackley, Franklin and Miller all try to cheat to pull the ball at bat after at bat and end up pulling off the ball instead of pulling it. He's completely right. These guys apparently think their value is derived from hitting homers into the right field corner. Why would three guys who came up as middle-infielders think they had to be power hitters in order to stick in the majors? Gubicza said he would never thrown anything inner half to any of them. Throw it away and let them get themselves out. This seems so obvious you wonder why these guys keep doing it.

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Very convincing, Mr. Pulitzer my friend.  Coming from Mark Gubicza you know that is what the Angels pitchers are thinking too, and that's kind of relevant.

We've talked about the "greed for success" that is epidemic with some of these prospects.  But Gubicza said it better.

Let's not be too hard on the M's infrastructure, either, for the attitudes of the Golden Boys.  If Zduriencik & McNamara & co. get blame for these three, then they also get credit for Mike Zunino, whose success effectively is cancelling the failures of the three names given ... I'll give you a SS, a backup SS and a backup 2B :- ) for Kyle Seager, Mike Zunino and Roenis Elias...

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Flavor text:  Mark Gubicza was one of the quintessential 1970's-1980's Royals, the beloved team of the Founding Father.  Those Royals were known for intelligence and gutsiness.  Although the franchise was born only a few years before the M's were, the Kansas City Royals, and Gubicza, were the "anti-Mariners" of the 1970's and 1980's. 

Bill has since (painfully) given up on the Royals as a fan, I believe, "divorcing" them because after 2 decades of genuine pathos, he just couldn't watch any more.  Times change, leadership changes, and we'll cheerfully take the Mariners since Junior :- )

But you see why Gubicza's remarks are poignant to a senior M's watcher.

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SABRMatt sez,

concurred tjm - I was talking to my wife while watching there game last night...I spoke for about forty straight minutes on the lack of upside in most of our prospects based on the data - Smoak is never going to change. Ackley is never going to change. No amount of instruction by the Mariners is going to cure them of what I now believe are innate character flaws that can't be fought. If the upside with Ackley is either a) a guy who finally stops pulling the ball but gives up on hitting for power at all to do it (.280/.340/.380) or a guy who hits occasional line drives and XBH but can't hit for a high average (.250/.300/.400) and we have to put up with long periods of ineptitude to see it - do you want that guy?

It does seem like an innate character trait that is unsolvable, doesn't it?  ... the other day Art Thiel grumped that Franklin's cockiness "borders on irritating."  Borders on it, eh, Art ... are you saying you are not yet irritated?  :- )

Cockiness can be good; the kid has seen ML pitching and he still thinks he'll be a HOF'er.  That counts for a lot.

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It's a funny thing in sports.  One day somebody says something to you in just a certain way, and the light clicks on, and you're a different person.  

The story goes that the young Martina Navratilova was having trouble with her volley game at the net.  She was looking the wrong way at the wrong time, like at the sideline as the ball came in.  A fellow women's tennis player said, "No peeking.  This isn't a math final where you get to copy from your neighbor's paper," or somesuch.

For whatever reason, the visual of "NO PEEKING!" made all the sense in the world to her, and her volley game transformed.

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Ackley, Miller, and Franklin no doubt feel entitled to hit glory homers and jog triumphantly.  But one day the right person may say the right thing.  Baseball's a tough game, isn't it?

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FWIW, he's still really cool. Looks like he could go a couple innings. Man was blessed with HOF genes.

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Remember him, Doc? Tough out, batted cleanup for the Yankees for a while, career 121 OPS+ and he choked up. Choked up. Hitting the ball hard and hitting the ball out are two different things. Ask Roy White......

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I certianly remember him. Good average, high OBP, medium power; good left fielder with an arm Ackley would be ashaed of. Not only that, I copied his batting stance - hands really low and body upright. Did he really bat clean-up? That, I don't recall. I know he played in the lowest period of modern Yankee history, but it's hard to believe he was their best power hitter. Here's what's striking. A couple years ago I was thinking Ackley could be George Brett. Now I'd be thrilled if he was Roy White.

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7735 career PA's and 1639 were batting 4th, according to B-R.
When I was a kid there were two great sport related magazines: Sports Illustrated, of course and Sport (long since dead).
I hve since then remembered an article (I think it was a cover story) titled, "The Yankees have a cleanup hitter who bats cleanup." I would have sworn the artice was in SI, but when I do a search of that title I find that it was in Sport. Here's and article on White that mentions that story.
http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/b0667516
All the same, I remember him as a quality MLB hitter, dangerous and a tough out. If Ackley were only him.
PS...I think the story's title actually began with "Psssssst..."

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Was confused for a second, because I was thinking of Roy White as a Royal.  Was thinking of Frank I guess.
Yeah, Roy White seems to represent everything about baseball that, somehow, has just seemed to elude the Mariners (since 1976) - being a Cartelua, being better than people realized you were, being super professional, being a "gamer," whatever it is...
Funny thing about his B-Ref.com page.  That was long, long before people appreciated OBP, or defense in left field, or OPS+.  But somehow the Yankees knew they had a terrific left fielder.  I wonder how?

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B-R has him as the 271st best hitter of all times, two behind Juan Gonzales, three spots ahead of Thurman Munson and 6 spots ahead of some guy named Maris. Here's some vid of him hitting in Japan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4dL5WM0vBU You can easily find one of him hitting three HR's in a game over there.
I didn't realize he had finished in Japan, but he had three good years in Yomiuri from ages 36-38. .283-.365-.461
And indeed he chokes up.

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That amazes me. I was a Yankee fan then and I have absolutely no memory of White batting 4th. But those were some dreadful teams, so it makes sense. I notice, too, that he went to the same high school as Dr. Dre.

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