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SABR MattLet's hope Alex Jackson has a big year too, G17 min 1 sec ago
SABR MattAnd...I feel you, G...my Grandmother is still hanging on and semi-conscious on occasion, but I feel like I already lost her, since she can't talk or move much anymore.17 min 46 sec ago
Gordon GrossAnd yes Matt, that's my thought too - we lost our fallback position, both on trading Elias (because that's what Sanchez was) and trading Deej (since now there is no Choi). Maybe Lara steps up, or Landazuri stays healthy and we get that secondary piece back to enable more flexibility at the deadline. That's what this Spring and Summer are for. Let's hope to see some progress for some of our minor league talents, and more health than many of them had for last year (lookin' at you, Wilson and O'Neill and Lando).18 min 37 sec ago
SABR MattWell, let us hope we haven't lost Victor's Vector forever. Even if he never pitches again, if he lives through this, who knows what he might accomplish?18 min 46 sec ago
SpectatorNo sweat, G. Don't disagree. Glad to have you back as a regular contributor.18 min 57 sec ago
Gordon GrossNot you, Jim - it's an anniversary of sorts for me w/r/t losing someone, so I took the way you wrote it in a way that you did not intend. Like I said, I know you wouldn't mean it that way. :) I'm just in an "everyone is important and losing someone does damage the fabric of the universe and the tapestry woven thereon" sort of mood, I think.22 min 58 sec ago
mojicianHeh!27 min 38 sec ago
SpectatorTiming and wording inartful. Mea culpa.36 min 12 sec ago
SABR Matthe didn't die, moj...not on the outside. But a part of him died inside. Explains why his second half numbers were so horrendous.37 min 30 sec ago
mojicianHey, its Derek Norris! I thought he died when Kuma cleaved him with the shuuto last year. Maybe there are clones.41 min 54 sec ago
SABR MattIn that sense, G, losing Choi removes a crucial arrow from the quiver if LoMo falters...which is decently likely. Montero would have been first in line and then we'd be down to Choi or Peterson. Now we definitely cannot trade Peterson and we'd better hope Montero is for real finally.42 min 13 sec ago
SABR MattAh good. Furbush should have a normal Furbush year since it's starting the way it usually does (he's usually awful in ST)44 min 1 sec ago
Gordon GrossI know Jim wasn't trying to make like of their situations, one of which the guy might not live through. Just a strange take, to me. Guti wasn't one of our very best players either, but if we'd had a healthy and productive Franklin we'd have made the playoffs last year - and based on what the Royals were able to do we could have gotten to our first World Series. So maybe injuries to non-frontline players really can make a difference, and yeah it might matter in the big picture, if not this year then in the next couple. You can say we have a lot of equivalent talents, but not having the RIGHT one available is could make all the difference in the world. If Seager had gone down back when he was just a dude, we wouldn't know how much we'd miss him. I'm glad for our increased depth, but the injuries do make a difference. Even if you just want to talk about willingness to trade one player since you have a spare.44 min 18 sec ago
SABR MattLOL...relax G. Spec's point is accurate in this case - the club is exceedingly deep at all levels in guys who are interesting/useful pieces to have around. We obviously feel horrible for Choi and even worse for poor Victor Sanchez. The point, though, is that if those types of things had happened in 2005...it would have been completely devastating.49 min 21 sec ago
Gordon GrossWe didn't miss Halman either, so obviously that wasn't tragic.53 min 17 sec ago
Gordon GrossYeah, that's pretty cold.53 min 43 sec ago
SpectatorNot to be cold to Sanchez or Choi but the organization can lose two of its top dozen or so prospects to freak-ish accidents (in addition to the guys traded to fill needs) and it won't hardly be noticed in big-picture terms. Obviously hoping for the best for both of them personally.1 hour 2 min ago
MtGrizzly:) @Mariners: Middle of the order is filling up the stat sheet early today. Cano, Cruz and Seager combined: 5-for-6, 2B, HR, 3 RBI.1 hour 5 min ago
Gordon GrossI seriously can't WAIT for the season. I have a grin on my face just listening to these games. Tom McNamara: we traded 3 bullpen arms for 3 everyday lineup starters, and we have more arms like that left in the minors. Nice to have depth in the minors, even if just a ton of complimentary pieces, while the big club is pretty well stocked.1 hour 7 min ago
SABR MattK-Money continues to be clutch...Boomstick went boom...can life get better?1 hour 12 min ago
SABR Mattthis is going to be a fun year. :)1 hour 12 min ago
Gordon GrossCruz, on why he chose Seattle in FA: "I want to win." Words that have not been spoken about the Emerald City in a long, long time.1 hour 18 min ago
Gordon GrossCruz too. *laughs*1 hour 22 min ago
Gordon GrossCano and Seager are in mid-season form based on this game so far.1 hour 23 min ago
SABR MattNote to Farquhar...your cutter sucks. Stop throwing it.1 hour 27 min ago
SABR MattLuckily...it was just a glancing blow...he was laughing with the 1B Coach about it...think I read his lips saying "welcome back, Mike"1 hour 28 min ago
Gordon GrossLandazuri is getting some pen time with the big league team. Glad to see that - I still believe in his ability to be a major league pitcher. Just needs some health, or a bullpen gig. If the Ms are investigating the latter before they send him back to the minors to work on the former, that's fine with me.1 hour 36 min ago
Gordon GrossMight well be. Quite a shame. On that note, Zunino gets HBP in his first AB today. Wait til the regular season for that, Mike!1 hour 51 min ago
SABR Mattit looked just awful on video. Entire season is gone for him, IMHO2 hours 15 min ago
Gordon GrossYep, beni, it basically is. Rendon had a worse injury and is doing just fine - it's not a long-term drag on his career. I just hate seeing him lose the developmental time. I really like the kid and would hate to see Choi get healthy somewhere else. Of course, if he has to be DHed to preserve his health then we don't really have a place for him here for a few more years, now that Cruz is here. The open position is first, and DJ is aimed there. Thankfully HIS legs are currently okay.2 hours 42 min ago
benihanaBob Dutton @TNT_Mariners re Choi - "Hear it was fibula right above the ankle" - that's probably G's worst case scenario for 'just' a fibula break.3 hours 28 min ago
mojicianAnother year down the drain for Choi. This is lame.3 hours 34 min ago
Gordon Gross*#$#*)@~!!! Yeah, that's what I was afraid of, beni. Broken lower leg bones can be a nightmare for recovery time. Maybe he'll be able to get back after the ASB. Maybe. Poor Choi. Just snake-bit. Any snakes reading this: that is not an invitation! Back off!4 hours 57 min ago
SpectatorBummer. I really feel bad for Tyler Smith too. He's reported to be a steady glove guy, so I guess he just got the yips on the big stage and sailed one way over Choi's head. Here's the video: http://m.mariners.mlb.com/sea/video/v40401183?game_pk=4298765 hours 51 min ago
benihanaGreg Johns ‏@GregJohnsMLB -" Ji-Man Choi having surgery today on fractured fibula in leg. Likely out 4-6 months."6 hours 52 min ago
MtGrizzlyLikely opening day lineup, methinks.7 hours 6 min ago
MtGrizzly@StoneLarry: Today’s #Mariners lineup: Jackson 8, Smith 9, Cano 4, Cruz DH, Seager 5, Morrison 3, Ackley 7, Zunino 2, Miller 67 hours 6 min ago
moethedogSo Deej, Montero and Kivlehan are the hitting stars in the 1st spring game? Be afraid, LoMo, be afraid!16 hours 7 min ago
Gordon Grossyep. "Just" a fractured fibula is one thing. Damage to a joint or fractures in other leg/foot bones is different.19 hours 35 min ago
GrumpyInitially I assumed he got hit with the ball on a bad throw, but I saw a gif of the injury... it was a fall. My concern would be not so much the fibula but possible other injury to the ankle19 hours 42 min ago
Gordon GrossI'm hoping for 6-8 weeks, Grumpy. Still leaves him with a lot of season to learn and get better. If it's sooner, great!19 hours 49 min ago
GrumpyFibula fx are usually not a big deal (that's the little bone in the lower leg).20 hours 33 min ago
Tacoma RainSorry to hear about Ji-Man. I had high hopes for him. However, Choi's injury probably opens a spot up on the 40 man now though, as Choi will most likely be placed on the 60 day DL20 hours 56 min ago
Gordon GrossTyler Smith is getting coal in his stocking from me for that throw. So, so sad for Choi. I'm hoping it's the sort of fracture that can be healed in a couple months, but lower leg fractures are tricky. I'm really hoping Choi is more Rendon than Snelling - dude has to stay on the field to take advantage of all that talent. Poor kid. Heal fast and come back strong.21 hours 39 min ago
MtGrizzly@StoneLarry: Ji-Man Choi fractured his right fibula in a play at first in the eighth.23 hours 8 min ago
Lonnie of MCToo bad about Choi.23 hours 14 min ago
Gordon GrossYeah, I was wondering if Lara found any dynamism in his swing - he did not. So he'll need to have a good eye and make really solid contact on what he swings at. Not sure that he can do that against more advanced breaking balls, but we'll get to find out.1 day 22 min ago
MtGrizzlyLara is burnt toast with that swing.1 day 29 min ago
MtGrizzly@shannondrayer: Walker on throwing new slider-"I'm fighting for that 5th spot so I'm going after them throwing everything-I'm not working on anything".1 day 40 min ago
Gordon GrossNext group of guys: Choi gets hit by a pitch, Lara has a powerful but slow swing, long fly ball. Kivlehan had a very professional AB and hit a single the other way behind the runner. I really can't help but love that kid.1 day 50 min ago
okdanLara, Choi, and Kivlehan in the game now...1 day 54 min ago
Gordon GrossJones gets a hit off a diving glove, but tweaks his ankle a little and gets replaced by a PR.1 day 1 hour ago
Gordon GrossMarte's still holding his hands at face level, with the bat up like an Olympic torch, and swinging down at the ball. I really want to be more sold on that kid - guess I'm waiting for the adjustments that will help him be more than a singles hitter who never walks. Hard to be Ichiro and succeed that way.1 day 1 hour ago
Gordon GrossSam G. looks awfully comfortable out there. Hope he's just as comfortable once the hitters have their timing - that could be fun.1 day 1 hour ago
Gordon GrossFunny seeing Woodward as a coach out there. Isn't he still a spring chicken? I'm getting old.1 day 1 hour ago
Gordon GrossTwo plate appearances, two nice singles for Montero.1 day 1 hour ago
Gordon GrossMontero has a seriously different body. Splits to snag a ball at first? Yikes. Let's hope he has seriously different plate results too.1 day 1 hour ago
Gordon GrossMark Lowe gets a shot today later maybe. Gaviglio is up now. Taijuan is done @ 2 innings.1 day 1 hour ago
Gordon GrossJames Jones is keeping his hands much lower than he did last year. Will hopefully swing over less stuff.1 day 1 hour ago
Gordon GrossNote on those Cruz forearms: strongest guy in camp with either hand in the grip test, apparently. Mike Zunino is right up there too.1 day 1 hour ago
mojician¿El tío Taijuan puede yo por favor vuelva al dugout?1 day 1 hour ago
Gordon GrossPitchers are usually ahead of hitters for the first week or two of Spring Training. They should be, since they got started earlier. That's why I like seeing DJ locked in for that first at-bat. Pretty sweet. :)1 day 1 hour ago
Gordon GrossHe clocked it sharply, too. That body lean while he keeps the bat locked in really does remind me of Gar. It's creepy - in a good way.1 day 2 hours ago
mojicianThe Padres might be some other pitcher's daddy, but Taijuan Walker is their tio.1 day 2 hours ago
Gordon GrossI like good portents. :)1 day 2 hours ago
okdanSo DJ hit a dinger in his first AB...1 day 2 hours ago
Gordon GrossJulio Morban looks like a mini Ruben Sierra out in RF today.1 day 2 hours ago
Gordon GrossTaijuan strikes out Kemp on a change. Quite a nice pitch - lots of downward motion through/under the zone, so it had to look appetizing.1 day 2 hours ago
Gordon GrossIt's all the kids today, btw. Montero, Marte, etc are all out in the field. The vets step in tomorrow. Today it's prospecting!1 day 2 hours ago
Gordon GrossHoly... they aren't kidding about Jesus Montero. Dude dropped a small-child's worth of weight. We'll see what it does for him.1 day 2 hours ago
Gordon GrossTaijuan's motion is now just a bit of a rock-n-fire. Interesting.1 day 2 hours ago
SABR MattI'm just psyched that there's a telecast today. :D1 day 7 hours ago
DaddyORe: Morrison, yes we have plenty of options. Also, you get the feeling that, assuming the club overall plays at a playoff team level, if neither Morrison or any of those options appear to be working, Jack would take needed steps to address the problem. By that I mean, if a lack of production at first base was proving to be an obstacle to a clear Mariners push to the playoffs, and if no in house candidates were stepping up, he would trade for what he needed.1 day 22 hours ago
SABR MattYes...I saw that article linked to the 30 team ranking and read it...there were a couple of important facts in there that I didn't even know...well worth the read. I flat out disagree with the comments on Morrison being a huge gamble, though. We have LOTS of other potential options at first base.2 days 58 min ago
SpectatorWhole thing here: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/seattle-mariners-american-league-playoffs-2015/2 days 3 hours ago
SpectatorJonah Keri tidbits from his 2/20/15 Mariners analysis: Iwakuma got batters to swing at his splitter outside of the strike zone 46.4 percent of the time last season, more frequently than any other qualified pitcher in MLB.2 days 3 hours ago
SpectatorJonah Keri tidbits from his 2/20/15 Mariners analysis: Hernandez struck out 135 batters with his changeup last season ... Fourteen entire pitching staffs didn’t have that many strikeouts with changeups last year.2 days 3 hours ago
SpectatorJonah Keri tidbits from his 2/20/15 Mariners analysis: 23 of Cruz’s 40 home runs would’ve been homers if he’d hit them all to dead center at Safeco (401 feet)2 days 3 hours ago
SpectatorIn other words, Van Slyke made a big difference. Van Slyke + AJax made a very big difference.2 days 3 hours ago
SpectatorJonah Keri tidbits from his 2/20/15 Mariners analysis: on fly balls hit at least 250 feet that ended up in the field of play, the Mariners limited opponents to a .086 batting average — the third-stingiest mark in the AL. ... After trading for [Austin Jackson] last July, they allowed a .273 batting average on hard-hit balls to center field hit at least 250 feet and into the field of play — 23 points lower than the league average and 46 points lower than they’d allowed before the trade.2 days 3 hours ago
DaddyOTo expand on my example, if Ackley blossoms, do you really want him to be just a platoon player? I don't think so. And if at the same time Montero blossoms while LoMo is raking, one of either Montero or Weeks becomes redundant. Depending on just how productive Montero looks, you either move him or Weeks. Granted, Weeks has use as an uber-utility player, and as insurance against injury, so I'm not necessarily advocating any trade at all. But you certainly listen to opportunities that might present themselves.2 days 4 hours ago
DaddyOrjjunior, I think I understand what you mean, but I was referring to a situation where you end up with an obvious excess of productive players, with a productive player rotting on the bench. Then you might use your excess to upgrade some aspect of your roster. This happens all the time. For example, if (1) Ackley suddenly blossoms into the player we all wish he was, and (2) Montero likewise blossoms, and (3) Weeks shows he still has the mojo, you could keep them all. I'm not necessarily denying that. But it also presents the option of using one of them as trade bait precisely for the purpose of adding a player that will have an even bigger positive impact on your roster.2 days 4 hours ago
SABR Mattjust spend 2 hours painstakingly pre-valuing players for my uber-competitive fantasy draft. I missed the draft last year, and, against a talented group of guys, with six wrong-league players who cost 91 of my 260 dollars on my roster...and Mike Trout costing 65 dollars all by himself...I still managed to win the league and $350. Now that I've built a solid foundation through aggressive waiver wire snagging and trades...I have a lot less work to do in the draft...but I hope not to miss it this time! Woohoo! Baseball season begins March 15th for me. :D2 days 6 hours ago
rjjuniorIf multiple people are producing, you don't trade them, you add to them. That is what contenders do at the deadline.2 days 15 hours ago
DaddyOThe nice thing about it is, if multiple people are producing at multiple positions as you move into June/July, you have some real trade opportunities, either for prospects or to further upgrade a position, rotation spot, or bullpen slot.3 days 28 min ago
DaddyOAs stated in numerous articles by beat reporters, this shows the M's are no longer primarily in prospect development mode. A platoon cannot be good for Ackley's development if indeed he is on the cusp of reaching his potential after last year's second half. But, IMO, this is a good thing. This far into his career it SHOULD be for Ackley and all the fellow "used to be young'uns": produce or sit. No more coddling here. Let Ackley and Weeks duke it out for LF PT, and settle for a platoon if it plays out that way. Let LoMo, Montero, and Weeks duke it out for 1B PT. Give Weeks a real shot to emerge as the preferred choice for either of those two positions. Count me in. And if Weeks doesn't earn PT, Weeks sit.3 days 30 min ago
SABR MattSo we envisioned Weeks in precisely the role he will get, mostly LF/1B to give those guys days off against tough lefties. Sounds good to me.3 days 1 hour ago
GLSThe spam filter strikes again.3 days 1 hour ago
MtGrizzly@shannondrayer: McClendon says Ackley will play mostly vs rhp, Weeks lhp, all but confirms platoon. Also sees Weeks backing up at 1st ahead of Bloomquist.3 days 4 hours ago
SABR MattGood move...and an excellent excuse to let him hone it in AAA for a while and then call him up when someone is hurt later.4 days 2 hours ago
MtGrizzly@RyanDivish: Taijuan Walker has scrapped his cut fastball and begun throwing a slider. Feels the pitch will have better break and more depth.4 days 5 hours ago
DaddyOSome of the MLB coverage is delayed, but ROOT Sports is broadcasting live Wed/Thu of next week, and then three weekday games the following week.5 days 4 hours ago
okdanShannon Drayer has some cool video up of Patrick Kivlehan, Jordy Lara, and D.J. Peterson taking BP down in Peoria. Just BP of course, but my initial reactions are: Kivlehan looks athletic but a little jumpy at the plate. Lara looks like he could be a beast, big kid. DJ looks patient and cool as a cucumber, like a 10 year vet in the box. Check it out here: http://mynorthwest.com/374/2718894/Video-Mariners-prospects-hit-against-lefty-starter-Happ5 days 4 hours ago
SABR MattCorrect...MLB.TV's spring schedule shows us getting coverage on the 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th, 11th, 13th, 15th, 18th, 20th, 22nd etc...regional sports network new deal must have included expanded ST coverage. Usually we don't get anything until the 15th or so and then only 6 games all spring.5 days 5 hours ago
DaddyOIIRC, usually it's not 'til the middle of spring training that we begin to see TV broadcasts.5 days 5 hours ago
DaddyOOn the M's official website here: http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/schedule/broadcast/index.jsp?c_id=sea5 days 5 hours ago
SABR MattWhere did you see that?5 days 5 hours ago
DaddyOAm I seeing this right? The M's are starting to televise spring games right away, starting with next Wednesday and Thursdays games games against the Padres.5 days 7 hours ago
SABR MattMoe...SS is a weakness until someone actually does produce. Neither Miller nor Taylor has proven anything5 days 9 hours ago
MtGrizzlyAssuming Weeks can play LF, the bench puts a pretty decent floor on the current roster. The platoon advantages can help cover for under performance a bit. It's curious - individually, I don't really llike Weeks, Bloomquist or Ruggiano but as an ensemble, I think they kind of work.5 days 18 hours ago
moethedogNo weakness at SS. One of those guys will produce.5 days 19 hours ago
SABR MattSo I see the Mariner offense as having three major ?s SS, LF and 1B. I don't much care for Zunino's chances of being awesome in 2015 either but we don't need him to kill it to be a hero. We need better than we got from SS in 2014 and we definitely need production in LF and at 1B. But of those questionmarks, we have solid possible replacements lined up at 1B (Montero, Peterson, Kivlehan) and SS (Taylor, Marte)...where we are weakest is LF (Kivlehan, Romero)...but there are a lot of teams who would enjoy that sort of weakness in depth.6 days 2 hours ago
moethedogDead on Matt. Just posted that I absolutely expect one of the Montero/Kivlehan/Deej/Romero quartet to mash there way into the lineup. Which one? Don't know. But those 4 rolls of the dice are more likely to be a natural than the one roll of LoMo (or Ackley). BTW, if one of you guys has a voodoo doll, could you get a little mojo going for a Bloomquist hammy pull?6 days 4 hours ago
SABR MattMoneyball thought - did the Mariners intentionally leave 1B open because it's pretty easy (theoretically) to work a prospect or platoon bat in there when he's hitting enough to merit the call? The media is talking about how big of a gamble it is for Seattle to count on Logan Morrison. I see five guys queued up in line behind him with a legit chance to be productive: Montero, Weeks, Kivlehan, Peterson, Romero.6 days 5 hours ago
benihanaI'm with you Matt. I kind of want the M's to trade Taylor, Lomo, and Ramirez for Fielder and some $$. What a murderer's row would Cano, Cruz, Fielder, and Seager make?6 days 22 hours ago
DaddyORight re: underground drip irrigation. That's what I was referring to. If you are spending $125 million on ballplayers every year you would think it would be worth it to protect that investment even if it costs a million dollars a year. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong here.6 days 22 hours ago
SABR MattFWIW, I bet 37 roto dollars on Prince Fielder this year. I think he will have a good year6 days 23 hours ago
mojicianHamilton would have been the biggest bust in the history of Seattle. They would have run the entire Z regime out on a rail for 2014 Hamilton performance alone. It says here if you are going to have a star, he should have great makeup. I think Fielder will bounce back. His game wasn't dependent on being a yoga instructor. What he has are large muscles and a disciplined plate approach, see Papi, Big. Fat guys rake.1 week 23 min ago
SpectatorAnd how about Z whiffing on Hamilton and Prince Fielder before connecting on Cano, the only one who looks to hold his superstar value? Balance of power in the West could turn on those three contracts.1 week 1 hour ago
SABR MattYep...Taylor would probably go to AAA so that Lloyd could have his cheerleader on the bench not begging for PT and Taylor could work on his plate discipline.1 week 1 hour ago
SpectatorLloyd says if Bloomie healthy, then Miller and Taylor won't both make roster. At least that's their plan at the moment.1 week 1 hour ago
SABR MattEven with that, i wonder if the system creates irregularities on the surface in ground texture1 week 2 hours ago
benihanaFor turf lawns we are talking 6 to 12 inches below grade. Not something that's gonna pop-up even in warn spots.1 week 2 hours ago
benihanaSubsurface Drip Irrigation for lawns should be buried well beneath the sod. Hoses under the ground, not hoses on the ground. Problem is you need to dig up all the grass, lay the irrigation and then re-sod, it's an expensive investment. But should be recouped with the decreased water usage alone, never mind the injury aspect.1 week 2 hours ago
SABR MattDrip-irrigation may actually be MORE risky for players...replace the rare, small sprinkler head with a labyrinth of hoses lying on the ground.1 week 3 hours ago
DaddyONo doubt, OBF. I have NEVER understood, given the salaries paid out to players these days, why teams don't do more (than they no doubt already do) to eliminate potential causes of unnecessary injury. You can't eliminate injuries that come as a direct result of player collisions, etc, but there is more that can/should be done with facilities. Why have sprinkler heads? I'm no landscaper or hortoculturalist, but isn't drip irrigation more efficient than sprinklers? Doesn't one player-year of injury for a star player due to sprinklers pay for the entire cost of installing drip irrigation on a ball field? Maybe I'm being unrealistic, it's just something that I've always questioned when I hear about such injuries. Another example would be walls and fences, which have shown some improvement over the years with padding but still seem to have unpadded areas that could be rather easily addressed.1 week 3 hours ago
OBFDaddyO... those fields and every field that every player plays on has those same sprinklers and same soft spots... Blame it on extremely bad luck, blame it on injury proneness and ungracefulness like Matt said, but you really can't put this one on the club... thousands of players spend thousands of hours on those fields every spring... Saunders is just the lucky first to trip on a sprinkler head I guess? Yup, Matt, sure glad we flipped Saunders for something useful.1 week 3 hours ago
DaddyORe: Ackley's new baby, as a person I'm happy for him. As a fan, it occurs to me that sometimes the birth of a first child gives a player a new, even stronger reason to succeed.1 week 4 hours ago
DaddyOOh man, that's tough luck for Saunders. That's not fragility, it's just...what...incompetence by the club allowing highly paid athletes to train on fields where it's that easy to seriously hurt yourself? Frankly, I don't understand it. Isn't drip irrigation feasible?1 week 4 hours ago
SABR MattYeah...it's a freak injury, but there are players who get freak injuries more often because they are not graceful, or because their connective tissue doesn't handle stress well. Saunders seems to be both not graceful AND prone to injuries that are worse than the triggering event suggests they should be. I, for one, am glad we got value for him in trade.1 week 5 hours ago
OBFSoft Spot in the ground has got to be worse than rounding the bases (Snelling) in terms of, "Good grief what did you do to get such bad karma" ranking... Not quite as bad as, what was it, carrying a suitcase up some stairs for Sasaki, though ;)1 week 5 hours ago
OBFI feel for Saunders, totally sucks for him, similarly I feel for Derick rose as well (same injury actually, torn meniscus), but JackyZ has to be thinking, :"Heh, heh, heh... see, internet, I TOLD YOU SO!" Lots of sites raked Jack and Mac over the coals for not trusting Saunders and for trading him away (in what they saw as) an unfavorable trade... are they going to issue retractions or admit The M's were right on this one now?1 week 5 hours ago
MtGrizzly@ShiDavidi: Michael Saunders stepped on soft spot around underground sprinkler on outfield grass while shagging flies yesterday. Left knee buckled.1 week 5 hours ago
SABR MattWow...brutal1 week 6 hours ago
SpectatorSaunders injury came from stepping on a sprinkler head. What an unlucky guy.1 week 6 hours ago
SABR MattAww...congrats to Eggs!1 week 7 hours ago
SpectatorIn addition to the beard, Ackley has a newbaby born in Oklahoma during the RV trip from his home in Michigan to Arizona for spring training. http://m.mariners.mlb.com/news/article/110410476/dustin-ackleys-newborn-son-couldnt-wait-for-mariners-spring-training1 week 7 hours ago
SABR MattWow...lots of bad news today...Hamilton back into cocaine, Saunders injured yet again...this is why i loved the Saunders for Happ deal though1 week 7 hours ago
DaddyOPoor Saunders. Just a fragile player, I guess. I wish him the best.1 week 7 hours ago
MtGrizzlyMichael Saunders will miss the first half of the season with injury. Torn meniscus.1 week 8 hours ago
SeattleNative57According to Drew Silva of HBT via Wednesdays LA Times, Hamilton's offense includes a relapse "with at least cocaine...".1 week 11 hours ago
MtGrizzlyI like the beard.1 week 17 hours ago
DaddyOReport from Shannon Dreyer: "Ackley's beard is very much still there." Dagnab it! http://mynorthwest.com/374/2717345/Mariners-Hultzen-Gutierrez-both-on-long-roads-back-to-baseball1 week 18 hours ago
MtGrizzlyFor his sake, I just hope it's not substance abuse. Some things are more important than baseball.1 week 21 hours ago
mojicianThat's not very nice. I shouldn't have said that. Hope Hamilton gets things figured out and is all right.1 week 22 hours ago
mojicianaw crud. If its worse than PED's then he will be suspended for a long time and LAAAAAAA will get out of jail free on that contract. What is worse than PED's?1 week 23 hours ago
MtGrizzly@Alden_Gonzalez: #Angels confirm Josh Hamilton is in New York, meeting with Commissioner's Office regarding a disciplinary issue. LA Times reported first.1 week 23 hours ago
DaddyORe: Marte, that immortal phrase of Alan Greenspan. "irrational exuberance," is appropriate to the M's brass who compare Marte to Reyes/1 week 1 day ago
DaddyOSpec: " (per Morosi) someone in the M's brass is comparing Ketel Marte to Jose Reyes." Rose-colored glasses by any other name would look as tinted.1 week 1 day ago
SpectatorMarte is fast, but his SB totals aren't eye-popping (80 SB, 31 CS in 380 G). Reyes in minors was 131-44 in 357 G. Reyes had 15 triples at 18 and 19 triples at 19. Marte has never had more than 7. Of course, 7 triples in a year is really good. But it's not Jose Reyes good. OK, done with that issue.1 week 1 day ago
SpectatorLooking closer: Reyes from 20 to 22 had no power and barely ever walked but was there for his glove and speed. That's Marte. But eventually Reyes' BB-rate got more normal and his ISO got up over .140. And you could see it coming from his minors numbers (.156 ISO with 7.4% BB-rate at 19 in High-A & AA). Not seeing the latter Reyes (the genuine all-star one) in Marte, and reports are that he's not necessarily an ultra- glove wizard.1 week 1 day ago
SpectatorJon Paul Morosi says someone in the M's brass is comparing Ketel Marte to Jose Reyes. Not seeing it myself. http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/seattle-mariners-crowded-shortstop-position-brad-miller-chris-taylor-ketel-marte-0224151 week 1 day ago
SABR MattYep...as I figured...Weeks will mostly play LF, 1B, and occasionally DH or 3B...the other guy (Bloomquist or Taylor) will play 2B, SS and occasionally 3B.1 week 1 day ago
MtGrizzly@RyanDivish: McClendon said that Weeks will work in left field this spring and said the combo (not platoon) of he and Ackley could put up good numbers1 week 1 day ago
mojicianNotable Rangers tragedies: Nolan Ryan leaves Rangers with hurt feelings after being put in Jon Daniels' sandbox. Jurickson Profar out forever. Derek Holland out for 2014; 3. Yu Darvish and Matt Harrison injured in 2014 Ian Kinsler traded for "never missed a game" Prince Fielder to make room for the aforementioned Profar. As soon as Fielder is traded he has his neck fused. Kinsler is good in Detroit and says he hopes the Rangers lose every game. Shin Soo Choo out for the count. Houston Astros lose the nickname "Lastros" after only one season.1 week 1 day ago
mojicianHow about the Angels? Notable tragedies: AAA sensation Nick Adenhart killed by a drunk driver the night of his rookie debut. Coach falls over with a broken leg after trying to catch a ceremonial first pitch, and Josh Hamilton. What about the Stros? Their regional sports network went belly up, they lost their first round pick in 2014, and nearly lost the 2015 draft pick. The Orcs don't have personnel tragedies because the turnover approaches 100 percent from year to year. Orcs are fungible, like bales of hay. The Rangers really are snake bit.1 week 1 day ago
OBFI don't follow other orgs closely at all... do they all have their share of tragedy, or are the M's... uh.... special in that regard? Halman and Sanchez of course leap off the page, but even beyond that freak injuries to up and comers seem like regular occurrences(Snelling rounding the bases, the pitcher who got tore up in an odd self car accident, DTFT losing his career to a food allergy of all things[he should try whole30])... Like I said, could just be bias since I follow the M's closely, but it feels like we are snake bite...1 week 1 day ago
MtGrizzlyMLB's 'streaming-tech' business unit is quickly becoming a major force in the OTT (over the top) market. HBO will be using the platform for their direct-to-consumer streaming service. Ditto Sony, ESPN and the World Wrestling Entertainment. Glenn Beck is already using it for his OTT network. MLB reportedly has a sales funnel of 40 more, including a number of traditional TV networks. Very strange to see MLB as a leading innovator in...anything really. But they have something figured out.1 week 2 days ago
SpectatorSanchez still in coma, but "small dose of good news"; better than bad news, I guess. http://m.mariners.mlb.com/news/article/110180578/mariners-receive-update-on-injured-prospect-sanchez1 week 2 days ago
SABR MattFarquhar abandoning the 2-seamer is very good news. His cutter should be dialed back a bit as well...throw more up the ladder 4-seamers and more curves and change-ups and a few fewer cutters and you've got the makings of a closer.1 week 2 days ago
SABR MattDaddyO - short form answer is that the Yankees spend more than any team in baseball by a wide....WIIIIIIIDDDDE margin for analytics and that they specifically looked for managers and coaches interested in analytics to inform decision-making...and I can guarantee you that their infrastructure for doing analytics work is second to none in organized sports.1 week 2 days ago
DaddyOInteresting article on MLB teams' increasing awareness of the impact of player fatigue over the course of a full season. http://www.wsj.com/articles/baseballs-fight-with-fatigue-14247105601 week 2 days ago
lrI get what you're saying about getting a sense of how someone moves, but I think anyone fielding a 6 hopper in drills is going to look pretty good. I'd bet if we could find some spring training grounders video of Smoak, or Morrison, they might look a little different than they do taking live grounders in games. I'm not saying Smoak is a good athlete, he's not. I'm just saying using that specific video to declare Montero a vastly better athlete than most any other pro baseball player seems premature. Let's also not forget he played catcher for what, 5 or 6 years. He has to have some feel for how to react to a baseball coming at him. You'd think that should help him in the hands department as well, at least in theory. My main doubts for Montero are in the reaction time/reflexes/quickness area, which combined with having good hands are probably the most important things for that position.1 week 2 days ago
MtGrizzly@ProspectInsider: Danny Farquhar tells us he's scrapping the two-seamer this year.1 week 2 days ago
DaddyOMatt, I'd be interested in your comment, if allowed, on what that site has to say about the Yankees.1 week 2 days ago
DaddyOFYI, saw a link to this on another baseball site, thought I'd pass it on... The Great Analytics Rankings, categorizes and ranks MLB teams with regard to their commitment to saber analytics. ... http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12331388/the-great-analytics-rankings#1 week 2 days ago
SABR MattI think when you watch an infielder over any sort of grounder, even if it's a routine fungo, you get a sense for how they are relating to the ball. I believe Montero has vastly improved in this area, his body now gets to a point where the incoming energy of the ball is being softly absorbed...look where his chest, glove hand, and outer hip are as he fields it. That is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Smoak was kludgy at first base relative to the ball...he made up for it easily by having soft hands and being very skilled picking bad throws from other infielders...but Montero could be better now at positioning himself relative to the ball...I would need to see how he handles a tough play where he has to range some in order to be sure.1 week 3 days ago
SABR MattLOL at Paxton falling over in agility drills...pitchers generally are not athletes.1 week 3 days ago
DaddyOOBF-- Yep. Nothing but puff pieces and meaningless drivel for another week or so, and even then the ST games don't mean anything. ST's who's hot and who's not will prove again like they do every year that stats put up against prospects who won't play and veterans who are just rounding into shape don't mean a thing. Still, at least there's baseball talk. And something to crowd out the joke that is the NBA.1 week 3 days ago
OBFNot sure about Seattle, but the Willamette Valley, down here in Oregon, is going through it's annual February Tease... Sunny, clear blue skies, 60 degrees... But the cold and drizzle will be back in a week, count on it and will stay until late April... This of course perfectly mirrors Picthers and Catchers report (and spring training in general).... SUCH A TEASE! Come on April hurry up!1 week 3 days ago
benihanaApparently yoga didn't help his agility. Paxton apparently fell in agility drills and jammed both wrists. Nothing serious but being held back a few days.1 week 3 days ago
MtGrizzly@SamRyanMLB: Seattle @Mariners pitcher @James_Paxton practiced hot yoga 4 days a week during off season1 week 3 days ago
DaddyOAgreed re: Smoak. If only his hitting had progressed, I have been very happy with him as a first baseman.1 week 3 days ago
lrSay what you will about Smoak, but I always thought he was a solid defensive first baseman. Pretty good hands, made all of the routine plays, even made his share of diving plays in the whole and down the line, so I'm not sure where the comparisons to Smoak are coming from based on that clip. Could you clarify what you mean by body positioning for me?1 week 3 days ago
SABR MattAgreed that it's a short vid and we need to see more, but what I saw of his footwork and especially his body positioning looked far better than Smoak ever would have fielding any grounder.1 week 4 days ago
lrI hear you DaddyO. My comment was in regards to the claims I saw that Montero was now a much improved athlete, and how his movement is light years better than before, which is why I was pointing out that basing those opinions on that particular clip is jumping the gun, considering we did see him in pretty good shape during those 2012/13 seasons when he was catching a lot. I think people forget what he looked like athletically because he got fat last year. Agreed though, I wasn't talking about his ability to play first being judged. My opinion of the video is that I still see hints of those plodding feet. He certainly is lighter, and presumably more agile than last year, but he doesn't look like a natural athlete to me, granted it's hard to draw any hard conclusions from that vid. I think hand eye coordination and quick reflexes/decision making are way more valuable than athleticism at first base, two areas where I think Montero isn't strong.1 week 5 days ago
MtGrizzlyDivish has a good, albeit slightly 'ST fluff piece' ish, article on Montero. Good quotes from both he and his trainer. http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/jesus-montero-its-way-better-to-be-feeling-like-this-like-i-am-right-now/#comments1 week 5 days ago
MtGrizzlyYeah, I'm just kind of shocked by the physique. No real telling if it will translate to the field but I've never doubted his talent, just his desire to work hard. If the light bulb went on for Jesus on that front, maybe he will be something. At least for once, the annual 'best shape of my life' story appears to be true!1 week 5 days ago
DaddyORight, lr. I don't think anybody was drawing conclusions about skills from the brief video, just noticing immediately the difference in the fluidity of his movements between this spring and last spring, and having an increased hopefulness because of it. In my book, that's perfectly legitimate. Hopefulness that he might be able to play first base acceptably < > an opinion that he can play first base acceptably.1 week 5 days ago
lrI read the comments first and I thought the video was going to be Montero making a bunch of nice plays at first. Instead I see a batting practice ground ball in which he gently gets into position to field it....and that&#039;s it. I get he&#039;s in great shape now, and that&#039;s encouraging, but basing his athleticism and improved movement on that 4 second clip is like watching Lebron shoot a free throw and drawing similar conclusions. We did all watch him behind the plate for a full season a few years ago, its not like the guy was Fat Albert back there. He did/does have some amount of athleticism in his body. He just can&#039;t run. I&#039;m much more curious to see if he can field sharp grounders down the line and pick short hops from short. Or if he can lay off the slider low and away...1 week 5 days ago
Bat571In Dutton's still you can see he's lost the gut but still has the guns - looks REALLY good! -- https://twitter.com/TNT_Mariners/status/568850666359123968/photo/11 week 5 days ago
Bat571On Montero - his shoulders and hips don't look locked together anymore - wonder what that will do for his swing? If he can close up enough to hit the outside pitch and then still turn (literally) on the inside one, might he be back to what JackZ thought he was getting, the guy that was a plus-hit-tool, plus-plus-power-tool fella? Wouldn't it be sumthin' if both he and Hultzen are back? They both probably gotta start at Tacoma, but, boy-o-boy, things are looking up! I've got less fear of Morrison going down now. Also, with the bending he shows in the vid, I wonder if he has also learned to lean while running - that "fat-boy' upright waddle wasn't getting him around very well. If he can now lean and push with his legs, I can see his speed being OK, given the power in his lower half - more like Adam Dunn than Jose Molina.1 week 5 days ago
SABR MattWOW...Montero now looks like a much...much better athlete than Logan Morrison or Justin Smoak ever did.1 week 6 days ago
DaddyORe: Montero video, MUCH more fluid movement. Here's hoping it translates into him becoming a viable first baseman while realizing some of his original potential at the plate.1 week 6 days ago
DaddyOHere ya go, Griz, Saunder minor league deal official. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/02/mariners-joe-saunders-agree-to-minor-league-deal.html1 week 6 days ago
MtGrizzlyI almost can't believe that's the same dude1 week 6 days ago
MtGrizzlyWhoa. @RyanDivish: Here's a little video of Jesus Montero taking ground balls. #Mariners http://t.co/BTPEZ9HBAD1 week 6 days ago
MtGrizzly@GregJohnsMLB: No official word from #Mariners, but new locker being set up in clubhouse for Joe Saunders. Expecting he's agreed to Minor League deal.1 week 6 days ago
DaddyOTake it slow, Doc. No need for you to rush something out just to satisfy our insatiable desires to read stuff. Sorry you are in such pain.1 week 6 days ago
jemanjiThanks homies for the patience during my convalescence. If I can tap out a little weak shtick from bedside over the next few days, will try to do so. What do you get when you cross inanity with delirium? I dunno, but I like eeeeeet ...1 week 6 days ago
jemanjiSorry about your grandmother Matt. All comfort to you and your family. As to Victor Sanchez', of course. If there is interest in an essay on the problem of pain, I'm game (and rather well booked-up on it this week, LOL).1 week 6 days ago
DaddyOI am all for pace of play improvements that do not materially affect the game. But pick the low-hanging fruit first. The biggest offender are NEEDLESS delays between innings, during mound visits and pitching changes, during at bats when batters are simply dragging out an at bat by constantly stepping out of the batters box and doing so for a needlessly long time. But don't start with rules aimed at needless delays, not at delays that often are integral to the nature of situations in the game.1 week 6 days ago
DaddyOOne of the new rules appears to be aimed at keeping managers in the dugout during reviews. I'm not sure exactly what this means, but the genesis of it was the delay imposed when managers go out to talk to an umpire, stalling while keeping an eye on their bench coach while someone connected with the team reviews the video to see if a challenge is warranted. I think any rule that "unreasonably" (quotes for emphasis) restricts the ability of a team to have a "reasonable" amount of time to decide whether or not to challenge a play is not worth the benefit it gives to the pace of play. I can see compromising on what is reasonable, but you lose a LOT of credibility if your challenge and replay system is short-circuited by your pace of play rules, especially on crucial plays. Can you imagine the outcry if a crucial, challengeable play comes up but the challenging team simply cannot lodge a challenge in time despite every reasonable effort to do so?1 week 6 days ago
DaddyOI am going to add one more concern about the rules announced today, and it has to do with replay reviews. First, I get it. The pace of games is a problem. I also get that replay reviews adversely affect the pace of a game. They literally and artificially interrupt the flow of a game, usually at an important or even critical moment. But they do this for a reason: to get umpiring calls right. And last season initial foray into expanded replay proved in my opinion to be a huge boon to baseball. (to be continued next shout)1 week 6 days ago
DaddyOI meant to add to the example I gave that your dugout was behind third base.1 week 6 days ago
DaddyOI like the emphasis on a soft initial approach, and the gathering of data for feedback to pitchers. One rule I don't like, and it seems to me that the problem of unintended consequences could come into play here, is the need for ALL hitters to be in the batters box within 2 minutes and 5 seconds (2:25 less 20) of the start of an inning break. This is fine for infielders and catchers, but if the first batter of an inning is an outfielder he's going to have to quick-pace it in from his position, grab a bat and step in the box in a very limited time frame, with little or no time to gather his thoughts for his at bat. Imagine if you just made a sensational diving catch near the fence in right center for the final out of an inning, or even ran into the wall. You might need to collect yourself for a bit before even starting back in. Hopefully the umpires are given SOME discretion on enforcement to allow for such extenuating circumstances.1 week 6 days ago
SABR MattThe "batter must keep one foot in the box" rule is new. The official book does not make stepping out and walking around illegal. I would say that the majority of these changes are to give umpires more instructions so that they can better use their discretion. With replay, for example, the league is now instructing umpires to give managers 20-30 seconds at most to challenge and to deny their challenge request if they take too long. The league is also giving umpires instructions to deny de facto time out requests (walking around between pitches) and the authority to force batters to get in the box and pitchers to finish their warm-ups in a timely fashion during commercial breaks.1 week 6 days ago
OBFWhat do you all think about the plan to speed up baseball? (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12351883/major-league-baseball-announce-pace-play-rules) Am I correct in thinking all this first step is, is enforcing the rules as written, or is there anything actually new in there?1 week 6 days ago
OBFSorry Matt, Praying for you, bro.1 week 6 days ago
MtGrizzlyM's reportedly interested in Joe Saunders if he's willing to go to the pen. Not sure how I feel about that. I guess it would probably add a few mph to his FB.1 week 6 days ago
MtGrizzlyI went through the same in 2014, Matt. It's tough and my thoughts are with you.1 week 6 days ago
Tacoma RainSorry to hear that Matt... May God bless her and your family1 week 6 days ago
SABR MattTurns out that my grandmother had a massive stroke in the middle of the night..20% of her brain is gone. Not gonna come back from that. :( Say a prayer for her and for our family.1 week 6 days ago
SABR MattI actually would prefer to rest Cano and Seager against the toughest lefties and use Weeks in their place even though it punts defense a bit.1 week 6 days ago
moethedogI don't want Bloomquist at all. Nada. Just go with both Miller and Taylor and use them both. I also don't want weeks at 2B, btw. Let Miller get the starts there when Cano rests, ditto with Seager.1 week 6 days ago
Bat571Also, looking at Weeks' hitting numbers from last year - if Van Slyke can make him a passable LF, it's Bloomquist and Morrison that need to be looking over their shoulders - at Taylor/Miller and Montero. Weeks can hit. I'll bet it's more likely Cruz plays in the OF a bit more than planned in the early going while VS smooths out Weeks at each new stop. But if Bloomie is OPSing .620 and Weeks is OPSing .750, who do YOU want ?1 week 6 days ago
Bat571If you look at Montero's splits, his problems with RHP are more recent - maybe as he gained weight it was harder to see the RH motion AND get his lower half going. I'm going to be interested to see if his batting stroke truly is more fluid, and, if so, he regains the elite bat rep. If he starts turning on inside pitches from RH and can also lay off the sliders, he might yet be somebody ... on a contendah!1 week 6 days ago
moethedogAgree about LoMo's glass body. But he hits RHP decently. Montero has not really proven that he can above AA. His AAA vR #'s are somewhere just below .800. His best MLB year was in '12, he OPS'ed .609 vR that year. His career is .628 at the MLB level. I hope the weight loss helps. But I'm not betting much right now that he suddenly learns to hit RHP. He does, by the way, rip lefties. There is value there. If he is a new man and bashes, then we will know soon enough.1 week 6 days ago
SABR MattTrue that Lomo was highly touted...but he's proving to have a glass body and has never been particularly consistent at the plate whet. The two of them are a match...let the better player win1 week 6 days ago
DaddyOTough news re: your grandma, Matt.1 week 6 days ago
mojicianSorry about your grandma Matt1 week 6 days ago
mojicianJurickson Profar, Kinsler's heir, high chieftan of Hypeland, and wielder of the shoulder that was broken and reforged is starting labrum surgery. LAAAAAA and the Strangers' seasons are starting off with a gut punch. Vot next?1 week 6 days ago
mojicianLoMo was mentioned in the same breath as Stanton at SSI in 2012. http://seattlesportsinsider.com/posts/dont-fear-reaper G-Money said about this or that prospect purge "For LoMo or Stanton We'll talk". Mariner Analyst seconded.1 week 6 days ago
SABR MattJust heard that my grandmother is on death's door. This week just keeps getting worse.1 week 6 days ago
SABR MattTop prospect, rather...damn this lg pad has a bad keyboard1 week 6 days ago
SABR MattMorrison is not s guy you hold up a top p rd odpect for. If Montero crushes st...he might well start at 1b1 week 6 days ago
Spectatorwhat the ...? Weirdly named Ranger prospect Rougned Odor has a younger brother ALSO named Rougned Odor? And now he's signed with Rangers too. Oh-Kaaaaaaay. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/rougned-odor-s-younger-brother-rougned-odor-signs-with-rangers-182528281.html1 week 6 days ago
SpectatorSince we're all getting carried away, how about a flashback to when Montero was in the same paragraph with Trout and Harper: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2012/2612998.html2 weeks 14 min ago
moethedogIf Montero rips in ST (and then in the stint he will inevitably get in Tacoma), the guy he makes it tough on is Weeks, I think. Weeks was brought on to be the RH 1B bat, with some OF appearances (maybe). We invested $2M in Weeks, he will head north with the team regardless if he hits a lick in ST. But if he struggles in April, and Montero doesn't, then a move might be made. Morrison is pretty tweaky, an early injury could see a Montero call up.2 weeks 22 min ago
SABR MattWowza indeed2 weeks 29 min ago
MtGrizzlyGreat. I'm now fantasizing about two 30HR RH hitters slotted behind Cano and Seager.2 weeks 33 min ago
okdanAh, didn't see the link was already shared below2 weeks 1 hour ago
okdanHe seriously looks like a different person: http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2015/2/19/8071355/jesus-montero-has-lost-a-lot-of-weight2 weeks 1 hour ago
MtGrizzlyThose last year/this year photos of Montero by Divish are wild. The 40 lb weight loss thing was no joke. It would be fun to see him make life difficult for Lloyd by out hitting Morrison this spring.2 weeks 1 hour ago
GrumpyThanks for the link to the ARod article. Very interesting... though I have to say that something about the writing style really rubbed me the wrong way. I will be rooting for ARod this year (especially when he plays the As, Rangers, and Angles).2 weeks 1 hour ago
SpectatorSports Illustrated has an AL West spring preview up: http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/02/19/spring-training-preview-al-west-angels-athletics-mariners-astros-rangers2 weeks 2 hours ago
benihanaI mean, seriously: http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2015/2/19/8071225/jesus-montero-lost-a-whole-bunch-of-weight - I may have found a post hype sleeper bandwagon to hop onto. Jesus Montero you have my attention.2 weeks 2 hours ago
benihanaOh man. I just got ridiculously excited for spring. And it's @ryandivish with a picture of the slimmed down Jesus Montero that does it? And with this little ditty I'm a swoonin' - "Pretty startling to see how well he moved and the ease of his swing at the lighter weight"2 weeks 3 hours ago
SABR MattThat A-Rod article actually made me tear up in a couple of places...2 weeks 3 hours ago
MtGrizzlyThat ARod article is really outstanding.2 weeks 4 hours ago
SpectatorThanks for the Larry Stone link, Bat. Good stuff.2 weeks 7 hours ago
Bat571Long, interesting read on A-Rod's year away. -- http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12321274/alex-rodriguez-return-new-york-yankees2 weeks 10 hours ago
Bat571Larry Stone has a column up on Victor -- good read -- http://seattletimes.com/html/larrystone/2025729046_stone19xml.html2 weeks 10 hours ago
SABR MattI'm all for acquiring Hamels...use Happ to do it...the Phillies are familiar with him. Give them Happ, Peterson, and Guerrero, and if need be, Chris Taylor2 weeks 11 hours ago
Bat571Replacing Happ with Hamels, at least by the FanGraphs/Steamer charts, would put the Ms rotation at 0.1 WAR behind the Nats' rotation as the best in the majors.2 weeks 17 hours ago
Bat571Showcase Happ to the Padres (another team with a huge park) during ST to maybe give Taijuan and Elias a chance to share #5 before 'Kuma leaves next year, and let's prepare to face the Nats in the Series2 weeks 17 hours ago
Bat571Cole Hamels wants to pitch for a contender and it won't be in Philly, eh? JackZ - make Amaro's week and offer D.J. (I think Kivlehan may be as good and is more versatile), Erasmo (rotation fill), Guerrero, Marte, and Marlette. Five for one, including four of the M's top 10 prospects by BP! Heck, offer Montero and Morban for Howard as well if they eat all but ~$5-7M/yr of his remaining salary. Instant rebuild of the Phillies' farm system and the M's get to have a 1-2 in the Pedro-Schilling, Unit-Schilling, Drysdale-Koufax class with 'Kuma and Paxton as well. Think any team would want to face that rotation in the playoffs? Run Howard thru waivers (would ANYONE pick up that contract?) and put him in Tacoma for when Morrison breaks. It wouldn't change much but 1B depth/future plans, but boy, what a rotation for the next few years!2 weeks 17 hours ago
Bat571Latest update from lavinotinto.com is up within the last few minutes -- http://www.lavinotinto.com/victor-sanchez-pudiera-requerir-una-segunda-cirugia/ -- you can open in Chrome and translate if you need help in Spanish, but it says he's improving, maybe enough to allow transfer to a facility in Caracas. A team from there is coming to see him. A "scan" (CAT?) shows a reduction in inflammation, but the article also says more surgery may be required. Like Grumpy says, he has a *long* way to go - he still is unconscious - but we can take heart that he's fighting and the docs seem to be helping him.2 weeks 19 hours ago
GrumpyHe has a long long way to go. Moving extremities is basically the minimum of what you want to see at this point. Encouraging but not enough info to get optimistic yet.2 weeks 21 hours ago
SpectatorHard to imagine wanting to go out into the path of line drives after a head injury, but as others pointed out the other day, Brandon McCarthy has done it and is still doing it rather well. Let's get him on his feet again first, I suppose. Great to hear things moving in the right direction.2 weeks 23 hours ago
mojicianGood news on Victor Sanchez. It is terrible when accidents happen to young people. Praying for good health for him.2 weeks 1 day ago
Bat571Scary, yes. But starting from "fighting for his very life", I'll take it. Having raised seven kids, none of whom had an incident like this, I look at what Victor's parents have been going through and marvel at my good fortune. But I'm sure their perspective right now is focusing on getting as much of him back as the injuries allow; mine sure would be. We should also, in praying for Victor, give thanks for our own blessings.2 weeks 1 day ago
MtGrizzlyStill scary when that's the 'good' news, eh?2 weeks 1 day ago
Bat571Chris Harris, who was the Jackson Generals announcer/radio guy/PR guy, who now works for Biloxi, says the Biloxi manager is close friends with Victor's father, and he reports Victor moved his fingers as well. The Mariners_Minors twitter feed is trying to keep track. The moving the legs was apparently 2 days ago and the fingers yesterday, but the facts are he's improving. If I understand correctly, the regaining of the motor neurons means the swelling is abating and is a VERY good sign.2 weeks 1 day ago
MtGrizzly@bvenezolano: Good news about RHP Víctor Sánchez. #Mariners Scout Luis Martínez told to @OrmuzSojo that he move his legs today.2 weeks 1 day ago
SABR MattInteresting2 weeks 1 day ago
rjjuniorHe answers to &quot;Jay&quot; not J.A, btw.2 weeks 2 days ago
SABR MattHe'll Happ-ily be trying for his first shot at the play-offs2 weeks 2 days ago
DaddyOOh no. This one's BAAAD. His media quotes will be "per Happ's."2 weeks 2 days ago
DaddyOOr if he walks a batter at an inopportune time, will it be called a mis-Happ?2 weeks 2 days ago
DaddyOIf he can develop his changeup into a dangerous strikeout pitch, will batters consider it Happ-hazard?2 weeks 2 days ago
DaddyOIf while pitching he gives up a fluke hit, will Aaron Goldberg say (to a chorus of groans), "Well, folks, that was just...Happ-enstance!"2 weeks 2 days ago
DaddyOI wonder what it was like for him as a kid growing when on his birthday it came time to sing the traditional song...2 weeks 2 days ago
SABR MattBatters are his Happ-less victims2 weeks 2 days ago
DaddyOHmm... "J.A". instead of "A.J." Just doesn't have the same ring to it. The cadence of "J.A." makes him sound like some Civil War general. "A.J." makes him sound like a good ol' boy. Tough break for the guy. Perhaps there's some name-related psychological handicap that's behind his career struggles. Why stop at mangling his name, when I can mangle his persona as well?!2 weeks 2 days ago
SABR MattJ.A...not A.J. :) He won't be Happ-y if you mangle his name, dude2 weeks 2 days ago
DaddyOI can imagine all sorts of useful name puns for A.J. (Blank) Happ-ens. Wha' Happ-ened? It was just Happ 'n' stance. If A.J. ain't Happ-y, ain't NObody Happ-y. Just a few off the top of my head. I bet he's already heard 'em all.2 weeks 2 days ago
SABR MattNo moe - I was saying that if his problem is getting the curve and change-up down, then he'll do well in Seattle even if that continues. Seattle kills fly balls and turns line drives into flies and hard grounders into routine grounders. All of which means that the actual results, when he leaves one of those off-speed pitches up, will not be as bad as they were in Toronto...and that this will disproportionately improve him relative to other pitchers.2 weeks 2 days ago
moethedogThere is an "if" there Matt. "If" he can get the change and curve down. But I wonder why he hasn't been able to do so to this point? He's had pretty good MLB coaching for a long time, after all. His 2nd half was pretty nice last year....but he's got a career 2.0 K/W so I'm not assuming that his 2nd half 3.83 is very sustainable.2 weeks 2 days ago
SABR MattIt looks like the thing separating 2014 2H Happ from Hamels is that he is having trouble getting his change-up and curveball down in the zone to right handers. If that is his big weakness...I think even more strongly that he is going to be fantastic in Seattle...2 weeks 2 days ago
SABR MattHapp was considered atop prospect in his youth for the reasons outlined in that comparison. It takes some guys longer to gel, and I'm not saying he's gelled THAT well, but its not impossible to imagine him suddenly turning into an all star with his stuff2 weeks 2 days ago
Bat571For those interested, a useful intro is at --- http://www.healthpages.org/brain-injury/2 weeks 2 days ago
Bat571Condition on the Glasgow scale for brain injury is seven ....2 weeks 2 days ago
Bat571The latest news I can find on Victor via lavinotinto.com indicates he was hit by a boat's prop - so a more concentrated, but hopefully more localized blow. The team doctor for the Tiburones of the VWL says his condition is 7 on a scale of 3 to 15 - comatose, but not deteriorating. Hope and pray.2 weeks 2 days ago
Bat571While we wait for news on Victor, Sullivan has an interesting comparison piece on Hamels v. Happ -- http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-limitations-of-promising-pitch-comps/2 weeks 2 days ago
SABR MattThis is...terrible. Please, Lord, let him live2 weeks 2 days ago
Gordon GrossSo they're cutting parts of his skull open so his brain doesn't crush itself, and draining blood from around it. Brandon McCarthy made it back from a similar issue, but figuring right now I'm not worried about whether he'll ever pitch again. I just want the kid to live and have a full, healthy life. So sad.2 weeks 2 days ago
MtGrizzlyFrom the Divish article: "The right-hander underwent a surgery in the skull on Saturday afternoon by Dr. Rolando Cobis and was in intensive care at night until Sunday at the Polyclinic Campano, said a source from the medical center. “He’s in critical condition,” said Dr. Cobis in a telephone contact. “He was made a craniectomy and drainage of hematomas.Until now is critical but stable within its box. He is still fighting for his life. There vital danger to him. ”2 weeks 3 days ago
Bat571Greg John's latest: http://t.co/Ir6CLjZ8Zl2 weeks 3 days ago
Bat571More updates at TNT and elsewhere. Now upgraded to serious/stable after surgery to relieve a double skull fracture. He was apparently unconscious for some time. Sounds like all our prayers are needed for him and his family.2 weeks 3 days ago
Bat571Updates say he's in intensive care, critical, but stable. Venezuela, with Cuba's help, has had a pretty good medical reputation. Let's hope and pray he's getting good care.2 weeks 4 days ago
Gordon GrossShannon Drayer says it happened. The club has confirmed it. "Scary news to pass on as there are reports out of Venezuela that Mariners pitching prospect Victor Sanchez has been hospitalized after suffering a head injury when hit by a boat while swimming. The club has confirmed there was an accident but they have not given an update on Sanchez's condition."2 weeks 4 days ago
SABR Mattwow...that doesn't sound good. :(2 weeks 4 days ago
Gordon GrossMan, I'm really hoping those reports are wrong.2 weeks 4 days ago
DaddyOMakes me remember this incident from 1993: https://miscbaseball.wordpress.com/2008/12/14/cleveland-indians-tragedy-in-spring-training-1993-the-death-of-steve-olin-and-tim-crews/.2 weeks 4 days ago
Bat571Dutton reporting *unconfirmed* reports that Victor Sanchez suffered head injury(ies) when struck by a boat while swimming at home in Venezuela. Say a prayer.2 weeks 4 days ago
SABR MattMy issue is that Twitter is impossible for me to follow...i log into my page and there's a new tweet every 0.2 seconds or so...how can i keep you with that?2 weeks 4 days ago
DaddyOThat's an interesting point, Diderot. I don't do Twitter...at all. To me it's too much "short attention span" oriented. So perhaps my view of his activity is more a product of my habits than his activity. That's the kind of thing I meant by "circumstances hidden to me." In this case they are not so much hidden, as I am not looking.2 weeks 4 days ago
DaddyOThanks TR, it's good to know I have company in this opinion. Makes me think perhaps I am not completely out on a limb here. Re: Divish, the thing I need to bear in mind is that there is always the chance that there are circumstances hidden to me (or to fans in general) that might account for what I see, circumstances that if known to me might make me more sympathetic.2 weeks 4 days ago
Tacoma RainI completely agree DaddyO... plus the Times site with it's pop up ads have locked up my computer more than once.2 weeks 4 days ago
diderotDivish spends a tremendous amount of time and energy on Twitter...and perhaps other social media, as well. i&#039;m sure this is as instructed. He may be &#039;holding out&#039; in the sense that he seems to have no need to print articles (or actually, the same article over and over again) in attempts to become the story...as did you-know-who. I think both Dovish and Dutton are excellent additions to the body of coverage.2 weeks 4 days ago
DaddyORyan (Divish), if by any chance you're reading this, it's nothing personal, though it may sound that way. I'm sure to your mind you are working hard and doing a bangup job in a tough business. All I can do is be honest about my impressions, which are just the musings of one M's fan.2 weeks 5 days ago
DaddyOMaybe I can put it this way. I found Divish a terrific second opinion when he was at TNT. Now that's Bob Dutton, who I think is doing a good job in that role. But at this point I'd rather read Dutton than Divish. I hope that changes this year.2 weeks 5 days ago
DaddyOGriz, my disappointment with Divish has not so much to do with caution and much to do with a lack of output and a lack of being on top of things time-wise. Since he came on board I've found other sources have been "first and best" way more often, that his pieces have often lacked any special insight, almost as if he's mailing it in. I hope I'm wrong, because I really don't know. I just don't yet see what he is bringing to the table. Finnegan was a company shill, but he was on top of things and did produce material with sufficient frequency. Baker was top-notch but many (not me) found him an off-putting axe-grinder. What Divish is, at least at the Times, I don't yet know. My first impression is what I said, mailing it in.2 weeks 5 days ago
Bat571The M's hardly need another starter unless somebody or two get owies, but Hamels would be hard to pass on if a package like that would interest Philly.2 weeks 5 days ago
Bat571Beni - how about Ramirez, Medina, Guerrero, Sanchez and Marte for Hamels? or save Medina and go for Cliff Lee? Dreaming?.... I'm still convinced the puff for Guerrero and Marte is to up their trade value. But a trade that adds so much ready/almost-ready talent to Philly's farm system might be hard for Amaro/Gillick to pass up.2 weeks 5 days ago
MtGrizzlyBaker was always looking for the next job - the one he really wanted. And eventually he got it. Divish has the job he wants. I don't blame him for being cautious his first year. He was more provocative and wrote with more humor when at the News Tribune. He'll loosen up.2 weeks 5 days ago
benihanaIt seems to me that the M's will need to make some moves before the start of the season. There is just too much depth between AAA and the MLB roster, and too few players with options. For instance we lose Erasmo for nothing if he doesn't make the team. Does the Miller / Taylor loser really spend the year on the bench or in AAA? I think the M's have pretty much exhausted their search for outfielders what with Cruz, Ruggiano, Smith and Weeks added to the mix So, who's left? Who would be a major upgrade worth spending big talent/$ on? If he shows healthy in spring training would you trade Ramirez, Marte, Medina for Prince Fielder at 6/$75....?2 weeks 5 days ago
GLSDivish seems like a great guy, but I don't feel like he brings all that much.2 weeks 5 days ago
Tacoma RainBeni... There is almost too much depth in Tacoma. You forgot about Jones, Chavez, Morban and Blash in the OF, O'Malley and Riverio in the infield. Thus, I doubt Kivlehan or Lara are in Tacoma, and those two both out hit Petersen in AA... so Petersen may not be there either.2 weeks 5 days ago
SABR MattI had to laugh at a friend of mine who was eyeing about the mariner offense's lack of aaa depth...i told him he should check out the aaa roster again2 weeks 6 days ago
benihanaM's certainly could run four platoons out there as well. Ackley / Ruggiano, Smith / Cruz, Miller / Taylor, Lomo/ Weeks... nice. Very nice.2 weeks 6 days ago
benihanaMan, the Rainier line-up could be fun to watch. Kivlehan, Gutierrez, Romero in the outfield, Peterson 3B, Miller/Taylor loser at SS, Marte 2B, Choi/Lara 1B, Hicks behind the plate, Montero at DH.... love the depth this roster has.2 weeks 6 days ago
DaddyOI just double-checked how I missed that Divish had posted a Times piece today, since I can see category pages and article headings, just not the articles themselves, and I notice that the article headings on the Mariners and MLB News page indicate the title but not the author. A curious practice. Perhaps they want the brand identity to be with the news source and not the author. Or maybe I'm overthinking it.2 weeks 6 days ago
DaddyOAh, thanks for the clarification, mojician. I've seen such infrequent articles from Divish since he went to the Times (compared to that of their previous Mariners beat writers) that it contributed (along with budget constraints) to me cancelling my online Times subscription. I had really liked his work at TNT, but not so much at the Times. Again, thanks for the heads up.2 weeks 6 days ago
mojicianThe other McClatchy newspapers in Washington state are the Bellingham Herald, the Olympian, and the Tri City Herald.2 weeks 6 days ago
mojicianDivish still works for the Seattle Times, or at least he posted stuff to a Seattle Times blog two hours ago. There is some sort of reciprocity agreement where the TNT can use Seattle Times articles from time to time. This is probably because The News Tribune is owned by McClatchy, and the Seattle Times is owned as follows: 49.5 percent of the voting stock is owned by McClatchy, and 70 percent of the non-voting stock is owned by McClatchy. At any rate, the two newspapers are closer than kissing cousins .2 weeks 6 days ago
MtGrizzlyDivish has an article in the Times today, DaddyO2 weeks 6 days ago
DaddyOApparently Ryan Divish is no longer with the Seattle Times and is back at the Tacoma News Tribune. He has article up about the Mariners' hopes for Weeks as a utility man. http://www.thenewstribune.com/2015/02/12/3636651/mariners-hope-rickie-weeks-can.html2 weeks 6 days ago
DaddyOGot so caught up in what I was saying I forgot to include this link: http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/2/11/8016183/john-schneider-talks-to-brock-and-salk-recapping-what-was-discussed2 weeks 6 days ago
DaddyOI know most of you read Field Gulls, but I want to underscore an article (link to follow) that shows how terrific a GM John Schneider is. Not because of his moves, or his success, but because of his approach, his mindset, and his process. There will always be bumps in the road, and there will always be externally imposed limitations, but you can count on him vigorously and doggedly pursuing excellence. That's a sports franchise that's an honor to support as a fan.2 weeks 6 days ago
SABR MattWeeks is a little bit like Ty Wigginton. That has a lot of value.2 weeks 6 days ago
OBFAnd cheaper than Willie to boot! :) Time to find a coaching position for Willie...2 weeks 6 days ago
benihanaWeeks has to have better than Ackley speed. 18 SB per 162 career (double Ackley's). No reason to think he can't also make the transition to part time outfielder. And there is no way he signed here to back-up Cano. Zip, zero, zilch. He'll get a chance to play all over the diamond. He's a huge upgrade from Willie B. Love it.2 weeks 6 days ago
SABR MattClearly, Weeks has figured out that he has no choice but to play other positions or he wouldn't have signed with a team that has Cano. :) Not an issue. I think he'll get a lot of at-bats as the DH and as the 1B.2 weeks 6 days ago
SpectatorWhen you have a durable Hall of Famer at 2b, a surplus of young middle infielders who can play 2b, a veteran utility guy whose best position is 2b, and even a left fielder who used to play 2b ... it would be a bizarre thing indeed to sign someone who REFUSES to play any position but 2b. Guess we'll see what Jack says when they announce it.2 weeks 6 days ago
DaddyOI gotta believe Jack got Weeks to agree to expand his positional repertoire before signing him. The curious thing about the Fangraphs article is that Weeks refused to play the outfield despite getting little playing time at second base. Basically, it appears he said, second base or the bench for me.2 weeks 6 days ago
moethedogAgreed Rick. Weeks is a professional weirdo. He has played ZERO inning, MLB or MiLB, at any inning other than 2B. Fielding grounders at 1B and recieving trows from Seager at 3B is a lot difference than chasing flies in LF. It is much more likely that he gets 1B innings or DH's vL (with Cruz going to RF and Rugi going to left) than it is that he gets many LF innings.2 weeks 6 days ago
rick82Well, if he don't want to play the OF, I'll bet Romero wouldn't mind doing it - along with second, maybe first, even third.2 weeks 6 days ago
DaddyOInteresting. Last May FanGraphs made mention that Rickie Weeks refused to play the outfield (May 19, 2014, http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/we-should-probably-talk-about-rickie-weeks/ )2 weeks 6 days ago
Cool Papa BellSigning Weeks means that the team will be going with 7 relievers which is a good thing. Also, as far as who is the backup third baseman that can be Brad Miller.2 weeks 6 days ago
SABR MattMariners sign Rafael Perez to minor league deal........mmmkay?2 weeks 6 days ago
mojicianWith Weeks/Lomo or Weeks/Ackley and Smith/Ruggiano and Miller/Taylor, it appears the Mariners now have three full time platoons. The 2015 Mariners look like the team that the Oakland Orcs would have if they weren't broke. I'm not sure that winning a lot justifies the use of Orc tactics. Once you go down that road it may be hard to find your way back.2 weeks 6 days ago
mojicianAlso, Lonnie, you don't want to bury Taijuan Walker too far down on the depth chart, as he might revoke his agreement not to kill any Mariners personnel with a baseball. The problem with a full Tacoma pitching rotation, is that it means that sometimes someone is in front of Walker. Its the same problem as that time they named a street after him in Yucaipa: no one crosses Taijuan Walker and lives. I'm already worried about Danny Hultzen.2 weeks 6 days ago
DaddyOBut yeah, at that point you just figure this wasn't your season. Perhaps, Lonnie, your looking forward, with a concern over the next few seasons that our MiLB rotation depth is about tapped out?2 weeks 6 days ago
DaddyORe: The lack of rotation depth available for call up in the near term, that would be a big concern if we sustained a rash of injuries, right? We have Felix, Iwakuma, Paxton, Happ, Elias, Walker, and Ramirez, that seven. You can perhaps add Wilhelmsen to the mix in a pinch for a couple of starts. And you might hope that Hultzen could contribute if need be later in the year. It sorta makes you glad that Jack resisted the temptation to trade either Paxton or Walker, even Elias.2 weeks 6 days ago
SABR MattLonnie...whatchoo talking bout? We have ahotvprosoect who isn't going to make the roster and at least one other emergency option available. That's fine2 weeks 6 days ago
DaddyOYeah, it would be an outstanding bench add if it turns out Weeks can adapt relatively quickly to multiple infield positions. Meanwhile, I suppose if an emergency ever comes up at third Lonnie could upstage Miller. After all, how many forums has Miller managed?2 weeks 6 days ago
Lonnie of MCI am very surprised to see that there isn't any chatter about the biggest concern with the Mariners: depth of the starting pitching between MLB and AAA.2 weeks 6 days ago
moethedogI actually wondered about Weeks this week. I'm surprised but not dumbfounded. The guy has an .834 career OPS vL. He's never played a MLB inning in the field other than at 2B. Wanna bet he gets a 1B glove pretty quickly?2 weeks 6 days ago
Lonnie of MCIt has been a while since I last played at the hot corner, but if needed....2 weeks 6 days ago
DaddyOOr, if on the roster, Bloomquist.2 weeks 6 days ago
DaddyOI would assume that if Seager got hurt Miller would be pressed into third base duty, at least on a short term basis.2 weeks 6 days ago
SABR MattI think Weeks will sub out for Morrison, Ackley and Seager at random. That is an area of some concern for me...who is Seager's back-up?3 weeks 3 hours ago
benihanaWeeks at $2m can be moved pretty easily to the first team that has an infield injury. Seems like a super low risk maneuver to balance out our line-up nicely vs. Lefties. Jackson, Weeks, Cano, Cruz, Seager, Ruggiano, Morrison, Zunino, Taylor. I like the balance with Sucre, Miller, Ackley, Smith on the bench in that scenario. Think Bloomquist goes the buyout/coaching role in 2015. Jones, Montero, et al, to AAA.3 weeks 3 hours ago
SABR MattIn that context, Olivera is the gamble play and Weeks is the safe play. Z seems to have rammed the handle on the gamble-tronic all the way over to "high stop loss". And that is understandable and acceptable to me. Weeks is an OK choice as primary back-up to Morrison and Ackley and insurance for Cano's off-days. I'm assuming that this means our bench is Ruggiano, Weeks, Sucre and Miller or Taylor or Bloomquist or Marte3 weeks 4 hours ago
DaddyOHere ya go, mate... http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/6/7/1275928347353/Cuban-Cigar-Legend-Robain-006.jpg3 weeks 4 hours ago
diderotMatt: would you agree that Weeks is currently an MLB second baseman in the same way that Olivera is an MLB second baseman--in the sense that neither one really is? Looking at them as alternatives to LoMo makes a lot more sense to me. In any case--Weeks vs. Olivera in that role--what do we think? (aside from obvious difference in investment)3 weeks 4 hours ago
SABR MattI want one of the Cubans3 weeks 6 hours ago
DaddyOSpec, I admit it. I called Jack earlier this week and lit a fire under him to DO something newsworthy and make February less boring. I had in mind something like announcing every third seat in Safeco would be painted chartreuse, but it appears he took me seriously...which is often a big mistake.3 weeks 6 hours ago
SABR MattThe problem is...he costs 2 million, so his roster spot is assured...and all of our bench configurations made it clear that there was not even room for Bloomquist. So, I'm uncertain how we're going to fit Weeks onto the roster.3 weeks 6 hours ago
rick82Weeks looks like a Willie B with power. Can he play other positions? Probably. Lesser athletes have moved around the diamond. Z should know something about his aptitude and work ethic in that regard.3 weeks 7 hours ago
SABR MattWeeks? Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting. Highly unorthodox, Mr. Z.3 weeks 7 hours ago
SpectatorA development! There's something for you, DaddyO. Yes, it would seem Weeks displaces Willie B, who has been injured anyway (though supposedly on track to be ready for 2015), but I'm not so sure. It's hard to know how much versatility Weeks has since he's only played 2b, but Z obviously is very familiar with what he brings. I could see them keeping Weeks, Bloomie and Rugs as a RH platoon B-team (replacing Smith, Ack and LoMo as necessary) and sending the Taylor-Miller loser to AAA. They may not like Miller as a bench guy since he's another lefty and because they want him to play every day, and Weeks could fill that role with a RH bat. Rugs seems safe since he's the only backup CF.3 weeks 15 hours ago
merksM 's to sign Rickie Weeks for two million. Brewers connection. What does this mean for Willie Ballgame.3 weeks 17 hours ago
SpectatorInterestingly, I've done research on the phenomenon of people holding more dear what they already possess than what they never had, but I hadn't seen it called the "endowment effect" before. You never know what you'll learn from baseball.3 weeks 1 day ago
SpectatorVia MLBTR ... an interesting free piece from Baseball Prospectus about the Extreme Makeover Padres Edition http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=255483 weeks 1 day ago
SABR MattCorrect...we can get good players down there...but there's zero chance we'll know who they are until they are made...and slim chance we'll know whether they are good choices until 2 years later. So why even talk about the draft. :)3 weeks 2 days ago
SpectatorAgree on both counts, DaddyO!3 weeks 2 days ago
DaddyOSpec, normally I wouldn't have commented, but doggone it, SOMEbody has to post SOMEthing! :)3 weeks 2 days ago
DaddyOI don't think Matt is saying the picks aren't important, just that it is practically impossible to meaningfully speculate as to who they might be.3 weeks 2 days ago
SpectatorI call the guys in the MLB draft from about 10-15 to about 100 "mid-majors" because the equivalent of Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and Louisville are off the board. Find your Gonzaga and your Butler in there somewhere. Jack & Mac have a pretty amazing track record in that regard.3 weeks 2 days ago
SpectatorGuys taken near No. 60 by Jack & Mac: 2009 - Rich Poythress 51, Seager 82; 2010 - Taijuan 43; Marcus Littlewood 67; 2011 - Miller 62; 2012 - Joe Decarlo 64; 2013 - Austin Wilson 49; Tyler O'Neill 85; 2014 - Gareth Morgan 74; Austin Cousino 80.3 weeks 2 days ago
SABR MattBasically, that means we have no reason to even care about the draft possibilities because there is no way to predict who McNamara will rarget that far down3 weeks 2 days ago
SpectatorSo dead Daddyo that no one's even using the shoutbox. Well here's some news: with the final signing of a player with a qualifying offer, the 2015 draft order is now set. Due to signing Nelson Cruz the M's have no 1st round pick & won't pick until No. 60. Pretty much a crap shoot there, though last time we lacked a true 1st round pick we ended up with Taijuan.3 weeks 2 days ago
DaddyOFebruary. The deadest sports month. Since Sonics left, Pro basketball means nothing to me. UW hasn't had a significant men's BB team in years, so the NCAA's don't interest me. The three hardest parts of late winter are when pitchers and catchers report...but there's nothing really going on, and the full squad report date...but there's still nothing really going on, and the start of spring training games...but there's STILL nothing really going on until the Spring Equinox..3 weeks 4 days ago
mojicianCaptain America is the king of strategy, but I thought that might be Kuma.3 weeks 5 days ago
SABR MattPaxton is clearly thor. Felix is more like a matter of deception...who would qualify Asia that on the avengers?3 weeks 5 days ago
mojicianAlso, Felix is like Thor because he has long absences in other dimensions, and only appears every fifth episode or so, but when he does show up he takes over. Of course, you could say that Paxton is Thor, because his trademark is an unstoppable hammer that he smashes guys with.3 weeks 5 days ago
mojicianThere is a strong case to be made for Wilhelmson as Hulk. He's the strongest Avenger but he doesn't deal well with everyday pressure, and they don't call him into battle except for the most serious jams. This is probably because the plot would be broken if he were used all the time. Also, Wilhelmson is a nice guy, but you wouldn't like him when he's angry. Plus, he doesn't believe in elaborate pitch sequence strategy. He only knows SMASH.3 weeks 5 days ago
mojicianI think Felix should be Thor because his changeup seems to warp space time like one of Thor's Asgaardian artifacts. Not Avengers, but I think Medina should be Superman. This is because the battles are a lot closer of a call than you would guess by looking at his scouting report. Joe Beimel would be Batman, as he packs a lot of swagger for only having a grappling hook and a right cross.3 weeks 5 days ago
jemanjiAvengers … Farquhar is more muscle than brain, so Hulk maybe?, though he doesn't physically look it, it's probably the Hulk who'd run his peripherals. Furbush as that guy who fires arrows from rooftops? Sort of an assassin-sling guy who stands out there rather detached from retribution, hard to see from where you stand, and whose pitches are rather pointy and stingy as they come in. Bullpen Taijuan as Thor? Leone as Black Widow, a character of reasonable effectiveness you don't see coming? :: shrug :: y' got me. No idea :- ) Mojo could take this stuff into hyperspace ...3 weeks 5 days ago
jemanjiMatt, we pray that your career (and Gordon's, and Jonez') will be blessed up to and including NYT bestseller list. Go get 'em bro'. … Gordon, if and when SSI hits your priority / spare time bar we'll be looking' forward to it. Here's to your return from the netherworld. :: daps ::3 weeks 5 days ago
MtGrizzlyGood luck, Matt! Kindle?3 weeks 5 days ago
SABR MattI just completed the second novella-length story going into my first ever self-published novel...throwing myself into the writing junket full time and feeling quite inspired...wish me luck!3 weeks 5 days ago
Gordon GrossUpdate from beyond: remember when I said my hours were coming back down and I would be posting a lot more. Yeah... moved to a different department thanks to someone quitting abruptly, so my hours are back up to 65+ a week. That said, we've convinced them to hire another person so I'm still trying to get down to Spring Training next month, and my work schedule should be lightening the load in a couple weeks. Fingers crossed. Pitchers and catchers report soon!3 weeks 6 days ago
SABR MattHelp me out here, guys - I'm not a Marvel expert, but I want to take Doc up on his challenge to match Mariner relievers to their best-fit Avengers. I already placed Rodney as Hawkeye (shoot that arrow into the sky), Wilhelmson as Iron Man (off-color lifestyle as the bartender, self-made comeback story), and Dominic Leone as Captain America (kind of a golden boy - unassuming figure, but a ton of unexpected power). what else you folks got?3 weeks 6 days ago
SABR MattI see Olivera as a HUGE piece for us...if we get him...he replaces Zobrist as the guy who play around the diamond...i want that3 weeks 6 days ago
jemanjiBaseball America comes out with its Handbook and Dr. D scanned the list to see if there were any major tweaks he'd make. None jumped out until he hit the #30 slot.3 weeks 6 days ago
jemanjiGuys - there's a chat thread up for yer. :: tight smile that doesn't reach the eyes ::3 weeks 6 days ago
SpectatorBA ranked Ibanez as the No. 6 Cuban player and Olivera as the No. 8. Olivera is 6-2, 220 and has "above-average power" -- http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/hector-olivera-showcase-report/ Ibanez is 5-10, 183 and is a "promising young hitter" -- http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/dont-sleep-andy-ibanez-next-cuban-bonus-pool-buster/4 weeks 4 min ago
SpectatorBaseball America via MLBTR ... both Jack Z AND Kevin Mather fly to Dominican to watch Cubans Hector Olivera and Andy Ibanez work out. Both primarily play second. Olivera is 29 and could play third or corner OF (per BA). Ibanez is 21 and BA sez he's likely to fit best at 2b. So they wonder why Mather and Z are there after signing Cano and Seager to long-term deals. Gotta wonder if they had other business there. http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/mariners-president-gm-scout-hector-olivera-andy-ibanez/4 weeks 10 min ago
GLSIs it the third world poor you're concerned about? What to do about third world development in the era of climate change is a sinkhole of muddy, unclear policy prescriptions. The problems in those countries are often a mixture of social/political and economic and adding increased resource scarcity to the mix is like adding gasoline to a fire. As an example, there's a strong case to be made that the problems in Syria started because of drought.4 weeks 53 min ago
SABR MattDoc - it's alright. Terry was just trying to tick me off and I said everything I needed to say in reply. :) If y'all want to have a larger discussion about Catholicism, I'd be happy to chime in, but I don't feel a particular need to start said discussion. :)4 weeks 1 hour ago
SABR MattI am not a partisan for any particular blog, GLS and not a member of any choir. I ran across it on my facebook wall. :) But I would say that the inescapable conclusion you have to draw in the subtext is that this professor views our evolution in thinking ability as some sort of tragic flaw - that he would say, if you asked him, that it is a bad thing that we are "overthinking" climate change. I would counter by saying it is a tragic flaw in man that we look for authority to which to accede our thought...that we prefer NOT to think, and that it is only when we actually are thinking a problem through fully that we come to the right conclusions and take the best actions. Meaning he has it completely backwards. And no, I'm not looking for things to get offended at...I'm offended because he's wrong in a way that could be seriously damaging to the poor.4 weeks 1 hour ago
jemanjiLet's move the discussion on Catholicism to its own dedicated post/comments thread, amigos. The Shout Box is generally for lighter, more pleasant (98% baseball) reading. Stuff that appeals to all or most readers, chat to enjoy with a cupp'a. SABRMatt can open such a thread if he likes, or if any others are so inclined, let me know and I'll open it. Thanks for the ideas. Slow news week, wasn't it :- )4 weeks 1 hour ago
GLSI read the article again and I didn't see where he said humans were inferior to mice. He's making an observation that mice react more quickly than humans to certain stimuli, but he also says that humans are more evolved. While the article isn't especially insightful or enlightening and his comment about poor people having more of an ability to adapt is kind of dumb, I'm not sure why this rises to the level of being offensive unless you're just looking around for things to be offended by. The blog you cited is all about finding these sorts of articles, pointing out their flaws, and putting them in front of the choir. But I don't think the article itself is especially noteworthy. Actually, both the blog and the article it cites are preaching to their respective choirs.4 weeks 1 hour ago
SABR MattOOOOOOOHHHH...brutal news for the Tigers.4 weeks 1 hour ago
okdanVictor Martinez tore a meniscus in his left knee today: http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12284767/victor-martinez-detroit-tigers-torn-medial-meniscus4 weeks 1 hour ago
SABR MattBTW, the accusation that Americans are somehow unique in their tendency to be cafeteria Catholics is wildly inaccurate. Recent immigrants (legal or otherwise) have been polled on their positions on social issues, for example. Although some 75% of recent immigrants to the US in the states that border Mexico profess Catholicism, a solid 70%, when polled, favor unrestricted abortion access. I think the Church would have a thing or two to say on THAT topic. Still another 65% favor government funded contraception - the church still opposes the use of contraception even for married couples (and reams of excellent scholarly work by various recent Popes exists on the subject). The problem of cafeteria Catholicism is GLOBAL, I assure you.4 weeks 3 hours ago
SABR MattGrizz...I sincerely hope you are not suggesting that I am being a cafeteria Catholic. If so, that is the worst insult you could offer me.4 weeks 4 hours ago
SABR MattGLS...I question your judgment. Sorry...I just do. He describes us as inferior to mice regarding disaster because we think...his prescription seems to be "be more like mice...stop thinking" - and his views on the poor are so completely wrong that they are offensive.4 weeks 4 hours ago
SABR MattAnd no, terry...I don't have a list of topics. I have the basic guidelines taught at catechism - if it has to do with the immortal soul or the teachings of Christ directly...it's papal authority all the way and we do our best to follow his lead. If it's a civic issue, he can only suggest and provide guidance...he cannot speak with absolute authority.4 weeks 4 hours ago
SABR Mattmoe - that's an incorrect interpretation, from what I've been taught in catechism classes. The Pope has full and supreme authority to speak to any issue which may relate to the immortal souls of church members or to the health of the church. He does not (and has never had) the authority to speak on issues outside of the purview of the church. For this reason, for example, the Pope is not allowed to choose sides in political elections. He cannot say that Catholics must support Democrats or Republicans. He cannot say that Catholics must back Chavez or Guevara or must absolutely repudiate any political ideology unless it directly clashes with the Church (Communism in Russia did this by attacking Christianity directly and robbing humanity of its' divinely-given dignity). And for the same reason, the Pope has no position to comment with binding authority on whether or not the science is settled regarding climate change.4 weeks 4 hours ago
SpectatorWe will work with Ben to get a shoutbox with links. In the meantime, here's Sports Illustrated's Mariners winter report card: B+ http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/02/03/winter-report-card-seattle-mariners4 weeks 5 hours ago
SpectatorWe're also plotting out another page where folks can hash out ... oh maybe theology and science? Plus movies, music, games, tech, etc.4 weeks 6 hours ago
SpectatorBat ... wasn't sure if you got my email but your answer must have gotten lost in spam. Sorry bout that. We are on board, then, for a "Future Mariners" page on DOV2 with Doc's blessing too. New home of the Spec66, plus ongoing coverage from Bat. Hope we can rope in Gordon once in awhile. Anyone else who wants to sign on to assist with the effort is welcome.4 weeks 6 hours ago
DaddyOI am not a Catholic, but history shows that church leaders misstep when in their zeal to apply the faith they attempt to stamp religious authority on pursuits that exceed their true calling and expertise.4 weeks 7 hours ago
MtGrizzlyHa. My mom reefs to this a "cafeteria Catholicicsm". American Catholics tend to treat their religion like a cafeteria lunch line. They go down the line and pick and choose which aspects they like and consume them. They skip those aspects they don't like entirely. (And yes, she is devout Catholic while I am not.)4 weeks 8 hours ago
GrumpyWell at least the pope is scientifically train. He's a chemist. He may not be an expert in climate science. However based on his motivations and obvious intellectual capacity and his training in the scientific method, I'm definitely more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt compared to most of the untrained unscientific people that attend Davos for example.4 weeks 8 hours ago
GLSI don't see anything wrong with the Professor's article. He's talking about the need for humans to adapt to what's coming. I didn't see anywhere that he said humans should stop thinking and do as they're told.4 weeks 16 hours ago
moethedogphx, I am not a Catholic (I consider myself Episcopal, as I grew up in that church, Henry VIII would be proud), but I would tend to believe that the Pope has authority to speak on whatever issue he wishes. ".Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church that the pope, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ and as pastor of the entire Christian Church, has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered, that, in brief, "the Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.." (Catechism of the Catholic Church) Care of souls is a big area. Clearly, advice on worldly issues may fall into that area. Whether you or I pay attention to such advice is another question, entirely.4 weeks 17 hours ago
TheSwedeYoan Moncada anyone? One third of the clubs in the MLB are mentioned as chasing him. M&#039;s are not. It&#039;s a big investment for sure, but this is a guy that could be the franchise for the upcoming fifteen years. He could also be, nothing basically. But he is well scouted.4 weeks 19 hours ago
phxterryMatt - Interesting point you make that: "the Pope has no authority to speak to whether (global warming threatens creation)" . Why is His authority restricted from speaking on this particular subject? Is there an objective list somewhere that I could access that lists what matters the Pope has authority to speak on and which matters He doesn't?4 weeks 19 hours ago
Bat571Spec, as we discussed, I'm up for a daily summary of mariners' minors happenings starting about mid-ST. I intend to use maqman's Mariner's Morsels for NASORB as a general style guide, but keep it to prospect stuff. Too bad you can't get Jay Yencich or Rick Randall, but I'll do my best!4 weeks 19 hours ago
SABR MattWow...so many dumb autocorrects there...we not www, to not tool, no not non, speak not spiral4 weeks 19 hours ago
SABR MattBottom line...what the pope will say is that IF global warming threatens creation, www are obligated to fight it. I don't believe it does and the pope had non authority tool spiral to whether it does...ergo, i am not required to fight it4 weeks 19 hours ago
rick82The very first pope has already spoken on global warming, and is encyclical was so darned dogmatic they put it in the Bible: Second Peter: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.4 weeks 1 day ago
SpectatorBat ... would you be interested in helping put together a minors/prospect page for the new DOV2? I'm doing a new Spec66, but don't envision being able to do daily coverage. There's interest, but someone else would need to take the lead. Just wondering.4 weeks 1 day ago
Bat571Bat571 is out here and will be back ~1900 MT.4 weeks 1 day ago
SABR MattPope Francis will issue an environmental encyclical. You'll have to pardon this Catholic scientist if he doesn't take the word of Francis on a question of science. I respect the authority of the pope on spiritual matters. I agree with the expected position that a good Catholic must care for creation. But an encyclical on the environment that purports to understand the science of climate change...that i will not be accepting without question.4 weeks 1 day ago
SABR MattIndeed mojician4 weeks 1 day ago
mojicianMatt: I've seen the rich vs. poor adaption to climate change play out in real life: A college buddy was at grad school at Tulane U. during Hurricane Katrina. He recognized New Orleans as a death trap and literally headed to the hills (Tennessee) as soon as he saw the storm coming, as did all of his compatriots. He watched the hurricane on TV, poor people watched it from their roofs. Poor people take the brunt of just about everything bad that happens, excepting inflation or a stock market crash.4 weeks 1 day ago
phxterryMatt - speaking of global warming: check out - http://edenkeeper.org/2014/12/29/pope-francis-makes-climate-action-priority-2015/. According to that article, Pope Francis is preparing to take a strong stand against global warming in 2015, including issuing a papal encyclical on the environment. Quoting the article: "If the encyclical is actually published in the spring, it will set a tone among the world’s 5,000 bishops and 400,000 priests — a tone of caring for creation and acting for the climate."... "According to Pope Pius XII, papal encyclicals are sufficiently authoritative to end theological debate on a particular question: '. . . if the Supreme Pontiffs in their acts, after due consideration, express an opinion on a hitherto controversial matter, it is clear to all that this matter, according to the mind and will of the same Pontiffs, cannot any longer be considered a question of free discussion among theologians.' ”4 weeks 1 day ago
SpectatorPaging Bat571. Are you out there?4 weeks 1 day ago
SABR MattThat bit about poor people being better able to accept the coming disaster was so completely bass-ackwards from my understanding of poverty that I read it three times to be sure that was what he said. The poor are the least able to respond to changes...the least likely to survive a weaker economic system...and the most in need of progress. The poor need the protection of a vibrant economy far...far more than they need the protection of academics from climate change.4 weeks 1 day ago
moethedogMatt, when the good professor started writing about how less fortunate and poor people are better able to accept the "coming" climate disaster and that rich people are not, well there he got me to spit up my coffee. The mouse/cheese/maze thing was silly-stupid, but because it was an allegory I can give him the silly-stupid. But the rich-poor thing was was toke over the line. Sigh......4 weeks 1 day ago
SABR MattApropos of nothing recent, but a reminder of the climate change debate we had here a few months back: Climate change expert thinks we should stop thinking and do what we're told: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/03/nutty-claim-our-ability-to-think-inhibits-our-climate-response/4 weeks 1 day ago
SABR MattAny interest in Hector Olivera here?4 weeks 1 day ago
SABR MattMy guess is that Hamilton was told he could rest it and it would be fine...he tried resting it...it wasn't fine.4 weeks 1 day ago
MtGrizzlyNobody has ever mistaken Josh Hamilton with the sharpest tool in the shed, know what I mean?4 weeks 1 day ago
mojicianJosh Hamilton to undergo shoulder surgery to fix nagging arthritis that benched him for the month of September in 2014. He will be out 6-8 weeks. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25030238/angels-josh-hamilton-set-for-shoulder-surgery-out-6-8-weeks Q1: Why didn't Hamilton do this surgery in November? Q2: If Hamilton just had his shoulder flare up again, does that mean that he hasn't done any training this off season until now? Q3: Who was tasked with watching the $125 million dollar man this off season?4 weeks 1 day ago
SABR MattBottom line...the Seahawks have ONE need this off-season. A power WR. They need to sign Wilson and Lynch ASAP, but they also need a go-to receiver.1 month 1 hour ago
MtGrizzlyBaldwin sucks. His attitude, his 'angry man' antics and his inability to beat 1:1 coverage...1 month 5 hours ago
rick82Baldwin was an idiot on that stunt, Grump, and DaddyO. Agreed. You can't use the ball as a prop. Get your head in the game. He let his team down there.1 month 16 hours ago
rick82Some perspective: The Pats last won a Super Bowl in 2005. Since then, both they and we have been to three Super Bowls. Each of us have won one and lost two. Before yesterday, they went ten years before winning another one. We have nothing to hang our heads over. The Pats actually performed arguably the greatest choke in Super Bowl history, having their 16-0 team lose to the 10-6 Giants in 2008. That's a long time to go before removing such a bitter taste in their mouths.1 month 17 hours ago
GrumpyRight on that stupid penalty. Gave the Pats great field position. and they capitalized. Just abysmally stupid. We also had a terrible encroachment penalty that kept a Pats drive alive for another TD.1 month 18 hours ago
moethedogThese guys got it right: http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/football-analysts-defend-seahawks%e2%80%99-controversial-play-call/ar-AA8UDoX?ocid=iehp1 month 18 hours ago
GrumpyYeah. Throwing over the middle was risky though it still took a great defensive play to break it up let alone make the INT. But that's the problem with not having any big tall receivers that you can have fade to the outside of the endzone. I do like the bubble screen idea.1 month 19 hours ago
DaddyOJust saw about the reason for Doug Baldwin's excessive celebration penalty after his touchdown catch. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/check-out-doug-baldwin-s-dirty-touchdown-celebration-021817629.html . I must say, though I am proud to be a Seahawks fan, I am not proud of Lynch's crotch-grabbing, and this moronic celebration by Baldwin is no better. Yeah, yeah, it's a rough game between alpha males. But I've seen plenty of alpha males, very successful alpha males, who don't have to stoop to such antics in order to achieve their success.1 month 19 hours ago
Tacoma RainBubble screen..1 month 23 hours ago
rick82I'm not averse to calling a pass play in that situation. In my first Pete Carroll Seahawk game I attended we played the Chargers and we ran a series of plays down inside the 5 with time running out that was absolutely breathless in its absurdity. Pete was really flailing there and we ended up without even a field goal as time ran out and confusion reigned. At least here they had a plan to use every one of their four downs. BUT, if you are going to call for pass there, is it possible to come up with a worse one that that? am trying to think of a worse one than the one that was called. Really. Can anyone out there come up with a worse pass play? I know there are better ones. But is there a worse one?1 month 1 day ago
mojicianLive by the gadget play, die by the gadget play. To me, it seemed like DangeRuss just didn't execute the last play very well. So sue him. The game was squarely lost by the L.O.B., who gave up 109 receiving yards to that nasty little gremlin named Edelman. Maxwell was supposed to stop Edelman. Chancellor was supposed to break his ribs. Sue them too. And none of the Hawks' receivers play like Jerry Rice. And that offensive line couldn't create the tiniest little gaps to set up nice runs for Beast Mode. The Hawks just got beat yesterday. Sometimes, seeing frailty from the champs makes you like them a little bit more. They bleed like the rest of us.1 month 1 day ago
rick82It's gonna hurt for a long time. But Russell is our QB. You gotta lock up your key players, and continue to build the winning culture. I'd seriously think about having him call the plays next season. The coaching staff let them down. But I think more than that the injuries kept us from dominating the game, like we were ready to do entering the 4th quarter. Anyway, Russell is the guy who has to buy in on any decision for it to work.I think he knows more than any OC we bring in, if Bevell is the fall guy. Unless there is some offensive genius out there for the hiring.1 month 1 day ago
SABR MattEven if you think throwing the ball is a good call because of the clock...you do NOT throw over the middle in a goal line defense...that guarantees you're throwing into triple coverage because all of the LBs are up front to stop the run. You just don't do that...it's beyond stupid...it's outrageously stupid. You throw to the corners. Period. Any other call should get you fired.1 month 1 day ago
diderotAn alternate view on &#039;the play&#039;. Throwing there served one purpose--for Carroll to prove himself the swashbuckling, iconoclastic genius he so desperately longs to be. Hubris can be an evil master.1 month 1 day ago
DaddyOApparently Belichek got on Butler in practice this past week about the need to anticipate the very play and route in question, telling him the Haws would use it in the game. http://sportspressnw.com/2197817/2015/thiel-pats-knew-seahawks-pass-was-coming (via Field Gulls).1 month 1 day ago
DaddyOWhile theoretically the decision to pass in that situation, as explained by Carroll and Bevell, makes some sense, what I find inexplicable is the location of the target. The explanation for the choice to pass was that with three plays, one time out, and limited time left, one pass that would be either a TD or a clock-stopping incompletion made sense, and the best use of that would be made as the first of the plays in the sequence. I can buy that. But that choice was also influenced by the Pats deploying a standard goal line run defense bunched up in the middle. So if you're going to pass, why in the world throw to the middle? Why not throw to edge or the back of the end zone?1 month 1 day ago
moethedogI thought the call was a fine call. Heck, it was a great call if an undrafted rookie doesn't make the read/jump of the century. It was an exceptional play by the kid.. It was an exceptional play at an exceptional time. It was the stuff of NFL legend. Those of us who are Duck alums remember "The Pick" as the most important play in Oregon football history. Kenny Wheaton, a true freshman, read the formation and jumped an out-route, picked of the Dawgs' Damon Huard and went 97 yards, just as the U of W was about to score again to crush Ducks' hope.......again. I always thought that read was the poster child for D-backs doing their homework. It isn't even in the same league with this one.1 month 1 day ago
moethedogPost-game, Dilfer argued that Wilson didn't put the ball in the frame of the WR's body...and that might be right. But that D-back was SO far out of the play (at least 4-5 yards) that it was almost impossible for him to get there. I'm sure Wilson's read was the whether the other DB broke inside or not. He was the true defensive threat. By throwing the ball quickly on that play it kept Carroll's options open for the next two plays, and a time out in his pocket. It wasn't a terrible call. You can certainly question it....but you can do that to every end-game play that doesn't work out. It was a truly amazing defensive play. Have you ever seen a better one?1 month 1 day ago
SilentpadnaGriz it's hard to tell because of the lack of separation on most receivers' routes. Even Tate wasn't that great at getting separation. I don't think Wilson has an issue with the throws - I think he could execute that game just fine. He never has guys as open as often as Edelman, but when he does, he has no issue (remember the Baldwin TD).1 month 1 day ago
MtGrizzlyI'm still nervous about giving Wilson a giant contract. I'm no Bevell fan but some of the play calling us due to Wilson's skill set. He telegraphs a LOT of throws and seemingly cannot execute the short, quick passes that dominate the NFL these days. It's those big, loopy bombs, the scrambles...or nothing most of the time.1 month 1 day ago
GrumpyRight. After thinking about it, the call was not that bad. 6" to the right = touchdown, everyone looks like a genius. Better break by Lockett = TD. It did take a great read and tremendous play by Butler to get that ball.I was worried about the game b/c of the extremely banged up secondary. Sherman, Kam, Thomas all hurt. Then Lane. Simon isn't ready, and credit to Brady for capitalizing. Still, a huge lost opportunity. It is amazing how good the Hawks can look on one drive and how bad on another. I do wish they had used more "option" in the read option, especially in the 2nd half. A big/tall reciever that can go up and get a ball in the endzone would have been a great help. Should have put up some more points to put it out of reach. They did catch a bad break when Lockett got tripped with no call on that late drive that came up empty, but they caught a lot of other good breaks too.1 month 1 day ago
SilentpadnaNot even close to as bad as '05. This one was tough to swallow, but lost in the angst of the "dumbest Super Bowl play call ever" was the fact that the DB made a fantastic play on the ball. I suppose having a recent SB win in the bag helps soften the blow too. Plenty of bright spots - future is still bright. Hopefully we won't go into another game with the injuries we (they) had...1 month 1 day ago
misterjonezAgreed, rick. There were plenty of breakdowns, and this year the pick 'em which the betting lines predicted came to pass. Great season, good game, but not *quite* enough to claim the top spot. This one doesn't feel anywhere near as bad as the 2005...whatever that was...game was.1 month 1 day ago
misterjonezUltimately though, the play call at the end of the game will just be an over-scrutinized facet of what was actually a subpar performance for a team that wants to be champions. They had their injuries, sure, and they had a few bounces go against them, but that's the nature of the game. When your entire game, and season, hinges on one play then you can't really claim that you 'deserved' to win in the first place. Games that close, you can't get too upset about intellectually.1 month 1 day ago
rick82Other problem is, the Harvin disaster and injuries left us thin at WR. Golden Tate makes that play, or forces an incomplete. But you know what? We are going to have to get players like Lockette, and Matthews, Kearse, etc. to step up if we are going to stay NFC Champs and return to Super Bowls. All our money is going to our elite players. Lynch was getting the ball 3 out of our 4 chances.1 month 1 day ago
rick82One time out, three plays to get one yard. Makes sense to throw the ball there. It's either a TD or incomplete stops the clock. Then you run, stop the clock with your last TO, then run it one more time. You have three chances instead of two. Problem is, Russell telegraphed the pass. He's human.1 month 1 day ago
misterjonezI really don't know, Matt. I'm not an NFL historian. But I will say it's the worst play call in Seahawks history, for sure and certain. I'm not livid or anything at Bevell, but he's shown pretty questionable judgment this year (remember all those horrible bubble screens early on that they just. would. not. stop. calling?) and I think it's time for fresh blood in there - especially if they're serious about retaining Marshawn.1 month 1 day ago
SABR MattWorst play call in NFL history?1 month 1 day ago
misterjonezIf they really did offer Lynch a huge extension...they probably fouled up the whole process by not, you know, trusting him with the ball on the one yard line. *sigh* Too bad, so sad, but I do think some fresh blood at OC would be a good thing for this team. Good to see Carroll jump on the grenade, though, claiming the call was entirely his. Gotta love the Seahawks as a team right now. 2015 just didn't need to end like that, though.1 month 1 day ago
DaddyOThe Seahawks gave us another great season, and now they will be VERY hungry to return to a third straight Super Bowl.1 month 1 day ago
DaddyOLive by the miracle play, die by the miracle play. That Kearse catch looked like the definitive miracle play, instead it was the ensuing interception. Of course, miracle is really not the right word for that play, because clearly the rookie had done his homework and sold out to his read of a slant pass.1 month 1 day ago
GrumpyGreat play by the defense, but I will always wonder why Beast Mode didn't get the call there.1 month 1 day ago
DaddyOLonnie, if any small thing I said made your day, then that's a good day. Thanks for the update on Kevin and The Geek.1 month 2 days ago
jemanjiOn Super Bowl Day, they announce that they've offered Marshawn a "huge" contract extension. So THAT's the solution. Heh, heh, HEH! …. means what for Wagner and Maxwell?1 month 2 days ago
jemanjiBy the way, if SSI isn't giving a current version, you hit the front page and then refresh. Works for me on all devices.1 month 2 days ago
jemanjiIceX: Am on it amigo :- )1 month 2 days ago
Lonnie of MCFYI: Last September MarinerGeek made a surprise showing out of the blue at the MC. Kevin ess currently lives in South Carolina to be closer to his son. Top notch? Thanks, DaddyO, you made my day!1 month 2 days ago
IcebreakerXHeya Doc, Could you see what Klat's doing with IP Blocking? I can't access SSI without VPNing into America, which is kinda dumb. It depends on where I am, but I definitely can't get on from home.1 month 2 days ago
Grumpyhttp://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/12-Fun-Facts-About-Seahawks-Quarterback-Russell-Wilson/9b3020ab-d494-4c07-930a-b154410cc9fc 12 fun facts about RW3. Didn't know about the weekly children's hospital visits. What at great guy.1 month 3 days ago
jemanjiYour shouts continue to delight, Mojo :- )1 month 3 days ago
mojicianMarshawn's judgment is excellent. Toad is by far the best Mario Cart player. Toad's superior acceleration and cornering trashes all comers. Who says Lynch doesn't give a good interview? Also, Conan's end zone celebration is the best ever. Too bad he didn't have a double placenta. He would have been a very entertaining athlete.1 month 4 days ago
GrumpyNot the cleanest video, though.1 month 4 days ago
GrumpyMarshawn's reactions are the best.1 month 4 days ago
Grumpyhttp://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/1/29/7949467/marshawn-lynch-gronkowski-mortal-kombat-conan-obrien Awesomer!1 month 4 days ago
DaddyOSo true King. A picture of community origins wouldn't be at all complete (or even accurate) without reference to the original D-O-V, which is apparently soon to come full circle. DOV >> SSI >> DOV(free) and DOV(subscription).1 month 4 days ago
KingCorranLikewise with SportSpot, though I think I may actually have come across the old D-O-V before hanging out there in the SS fantasy baseball forum. =)1 month 4 days ago
jemanjiThat *is* great to hear about Kevin. :- ) … I heard from Mark (MarinerGeek) occasionally for quite a while after he left SportSpot, but haven't for a couple of years.1 month 4 days ago
MtGrizzlySport Spot was what drug me into this little corner of the blogosphere.1 month 4 days ago
DaddyOGrumpy, that's good to hear!1 month 4 days ago
GrumpyLonnie will probably have some info on MarinerGeek. I just checked in on Kevin Ess's Facebook site. Seems like he has made a strong recovery from his severe mediastinal infection and multiple operations from last year.1 month 4 days ago
Bat571Another guy to bring back? Cesar Jimenez got DFA'd by the Phils. Maybe he'd sign a MiLB deal with NRI to come back to the NW. Nothing special, but a LH who put up a 1.69 ERA with the Phils and a 1.45 ERA with Lehigh Valley (AAA) last year who was a Mariner from signing in 2001 until 2012. More LH spaghetti for the Pencil, or is a Beimel signing imminent? Jimenez just turned 30 in November, so maybe he's got a few bullets left?1 month 4 days ago
DaddyOJust to rehearse it, as best I can reconstruct it since I wasn't around when the core of this community first started, the progression went something like this: An AOL forum >> Seattle PI forum >> Top Forums >> SportSpot >> MarinerCentral. I know Doc and a number of others were charter member, official or otherwise. It would be interesting to see somebody who knows the score put that history together in post for posterity...and for US too!1 month 4 days ago
DaddyOAye, we have had a lot of fun over the years, matey. I was trying to remember (and failing, as is my habit) MarinerGeek's handle. Thanks for the reminder. He was GREAT servant and set a tone of civil discourse that allowed the discussions to thrive. Of course, Lonnie, himself a top notch guy, has carried that torch for a long time now. I definitely remember the Grandpa Mariner saga and the startling discovery that he was a clever façade. I also remember another guy who disappeared, the beloved Mr. Baseball, who blew me away during some very tough times by treating my wife and two friends to his Hit It Here Café seats, complete with food allowance, for what turned out to be a game against the BoSox. If yer out there lurking Mr. B, I'll never forget ya!1 month 4 days ago
mojicianWe've had a lot of fun blogging over the years haven't we? The weird thing about internet blogging is that there are loads of unsolved mysteries out there. The proprietor of sportspot was a guy named marinergeek. He hosted the site on his own dime, and seemed like a really cool guy. One day sportspot dissapeared and so did he, never to be heard of again. What happened with that? For some years, there was a guy blogging as grandpamariner, who gave in depth reports from spring training, every year, and then faked his own death by sending a false email to one of the bloggers from a fictitious relative. I forget the particulars, but that was weird. When a person kills his blogging handle, there are no traces left.1 month 4 days ago
DaddyOmocician, continued... Re: Ichiro and OBP, even in those days IIRC there were sharp though mostly cordial disagreements regarding Ichiro. Some could brook no suggestion that he was anything other than divine, some couldn't tolerate anything less than perfection in every aspect of his game, most were somewhere in between. Unwillingness to take a walk was among a number of subjects of debate regarding Ichiro, but those didn't really heat up until the Mariners really started to hit rock bottom. Again, all this is just my recollection...could be elements I'm getting wrong.1 month 4 days ago
DaddyOmojician, I started frequenting Mariners forums not much before that in the spring of 2004, right before the name was changed to SportSpot (I forget what it was called before that, but it might have been something like Top Forum or something similar). Most there at that time had been forum-ing together for several years and I remember being a total newbie among a crowd that proved to be most welcoming and tons of fun. And yes, I do remember Bucky Jacobsen and Scott Spezio being hot topics, along with the Mariners being too content to just contend and not intent on doing what was needed to win it all. Little did we know then how bad things would get and for how long.1 month 4 days ago
mojicianDaddy O: If during the early 2000's, any of us did talk about messing with Ichiro's plate approach, it would be something that would be impolite to talk about, like that time that Doc picked the 49ers to beat the Hawks at C-Link. Some things should never be mentioned. If something like that did occur, it was before my time, as I started my blogging career in 2005 at sportspot.net. In 2005, the issues where what happened to Bucky Jacobsen, and Scott Spezio. I don't remember any of the sportspot brethren bringing up any nonsense about changing Ichiro's approach. But, there was once a thread where Ichiro was compared less than favorably to Ricky Henderson.1 month 5 days ago
DaddyO2004 was at the height of the Moneyball craze. Suddenly OBP became the holy grail. I agree it was foolish to monkey with Ichiro, but baseball fads have been baseball fads forever. No love for Bavasi from my corner, but I'm sure there's some of us here who at that time were vocal about the need for Ichiro to take some walks. That said, Ichiro was always the kind of player you just let him play his game and reap the results as they are. For some athletes too much hands-on coaching is counterproductive.1 month 5 days ago
Gordon GrossAnd moj.... that's unbelievable hubris to try to change Ichiro not in 2001 but AFTER he's already proven his approach works here and he's giving you 6 WAR a year as a leadoff man. Bavasi gives baseball lifers a bad name.1 month 5 days ago
Gordon GrossRick, the chase to 3000 hits for Ichiro IS the chase to be the all-time hits leader. He had 1278 hits in Japan before coming over, playing 130-135 games a year instead of 162. Pete had 4256 hits. When Ichiro gets to 3000 in MLB he'll be the all-time hits leader in professional baseball.1 month 5 days ago
mojicianIchiro hit ,321 in the first half of 2004, and .429 in the second half. What might have been? How about Unobtainium, the golden fleece of baseball, ranking with the likes of Ty Cobb and Ted WIlliams. I'm talking about interfering with a legitmate run at .400. That's what Bavasi messed with.1 month 5 days ago
mojicianIt makes you wish there was a baseball tribunal for this sort of thing. I think a lifetime ban would be appropriate.1 month 5 days ago
moethedogmoj, from 2001-2003, Ichiro's OBP was .381, .388, .352....What the heck did Bavasi want?1 month 5 days ago
moethedogRick, I've always felt that Staubach was one of the 5 greatest QB's ever. He's on my short list: Unitas, Elway, Staubach, Brady, Starr in some order (championships count)and then you get Montana//Marino/Baugh/Favre, nipping at their heels. I tend to list the top five (today's list, anyway) as Elway, then Unitas, then a 3-way tie! With a win on Sunday, Brady is #3. With apologies I have to leave out Sonny Jurgenson/Otto Graham/Aikman/Bradshaw. One drive to win the Super Bowl? Give me Elway. One game to win? Give me Starr then Staubach the Brady. Unitas changed the position to a much more cerebral one and became the ideal of a pocket passer.1 month 5 days ago
mojicianMLBTraderumors reports that a new Bavasi baseball atrocity has come to light: Bavasi tampered with Ichiro's plate approach during Spring training of 2004, and forced him to try for more OBP. This led to a 49 at bat funk for Ichiro to start the season. He pulled out of it when Paul Molitor told him to ignore the upper management and play his game. 2004 was Ichiro's career year, with 262 hits and a .371 average. Tampering Ichiro's historic year is an unspeakable baseball crime that has to rate with the Choo, Cabrera and Jones trades as most infamous. Attested by Paul Molitor: http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/2015/01/28/twinsights-paul-molitor-ichiro-suzuki-share-special-bond/1 month 5 days ago
DaddyOStaubach is not a bad comparison for Wilson. Staubach was terrific at working the pocket and finding the right moment to take off and run. And he was no slouch as a runner. But I would say WIlson exceeds Staubach as a runner. Tarkenton was more a quick, elusive runner. Staubach was more an intelligent runner who got the best out of what running talent he had, which was rather average. Wilson is quick AND explosive AND elusive AND, dare I say, powerful, not in the sense of running people over but in the sense of running through arm tackles. Great comparison, rick82.1 month 5 days ago
rick82Back to football. Someone, it may have been Belichick, compared Russell Wilson to Roger Staubach, and I think that is an excellent comparison. I doubt Roger comes up a lot when one looks at the record books, but he sure knew how to win games, move the ball, make things happen. Leadership qualities off the chart. The guy you want at quarterback.1 month 5 days ago
rick82And on the bases.1 month 5 days ago
rick82I feel like with Ichiro, I'm reliving Pete Rose's chase to be the all time hits leader. With Ichiro, the chase to 3,000 - which, don't get me wrong, I really really want him to reach. Rose, I couldn't have cared less. Who needs a banjo hitting starting first baseman? But Ichiro still provides value in the field.1 month 5 days ago
SpectatorSpeaking of that approach at the plate, we have another one on the way in Ketel Marte: 0.4% HR/PA | 12.6% K/PA | 5.4% BB/PA | 5.1% XBH/PA. He's Endy Chavez at shortstop, except a switch-hitter. There are worse things.1 month 5 days ago
SpectatorLow K rate; low BB rate; not much power; putting the ball in play a lot; success dependent on beating the BABIP game. Ichiro did from 2001 to 2009; hasn't since. Endy never has. I just thought it was interesting.1 month 5 days ago
SpectatorIchiro from 2011-14: .275/.308/.353 -- 1.0% HR/PA | 11.2% K/PA | 4.7% BB/PA | 4.9% XBH/PA.1 month 5 days ago
SpectatorEndy Chavez career: .270/.308/.364 -- 0.9% HR/PA | 10.4% K/PA | 5.2% BB/PA | 5.9% XBH/PA.1 month 5 days ago
moethedogMoj, I absolutely agree on your Ichiro points. I, silently, was hoping we would bring him in for a year...as a vL/4th OF guy (he still is really good against lefties) and for his work-ethic; much to be learned from that. Heck, make Montero follow him around every day. Rugi will be fine, hopefully better, so I'm not complaining......but a farewell tour in Seattle for a guy who can still hit would have been fine by me. I would take Ichiro over Endy any day, Spec.1 month 5 days ago
mojicianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5PgOk1Hjcc1 month 5 days ago
mojician@moneylynch skittles press conference: Big take away: "You don't feel in Beastmode. It feels you."1 month 5 days ago
mojicianThere is a lot to like in Ichiro as a fourth outfielder. There is the defensive covereage of all outfield positions, the cannon arm, the base stealing, the reverse platoon split, and a lesson for the whippersnappers of how a hall of famer prepares himself to play baseball. Maybe Stanton will learn some of those crazy stretches and not get hurt any more.1 month 5 days ago
rjjuniorOf course there will be a little speculation about the Mariners, since there was perceived interest in the past. I do not see it, but there is that one RH bench bat, currently projected to be Montero, where Viciedo could slide in. Good numbers vs lefties over his career. Can he play first?1 month 5 days ago
SABR MattLOL...viciedo...1 month 6 days ago
SpectatorDayan Viciedo DFA'd by ChiSox. Back when M's were desperate for RH-hitting OF he kept popping up. Good thing nothing of value was surrendered for him.1 month 6 days ago
SpectatorAnd now John Baker, lefty-hitting journeyman catcher, added for depth on minor-league deal. Pretty decent at drawing walks in 1200 MLB PAs; not much else. Hasn't played regularly since 2009 (will be age-34 season).1 month 6 days ago
SABR MattI'd rather have Chavez...no ego...willing to play in the minors until needed and ride the pine.1 month 6 days ago
SpectatorMoot point, of course, since they couldn't bring Ichiro back to Seattle and treat him like he's Endy Chavez, so I think they're wise to keep arm's length.1 month 6 days ago
SpectatorIchiro officially to the Marlins as 4th OF. $2M with chance to reach $5M incentives. Discussion question, if you're not all Seahawk-obsessed: All else being equal in 2015, would you take Ichiro or Endy? Kind of interesting how similar Endy is to post-2010 Ichiro, except that Ichiro still has some stolen base legs left.1 month 6 days ago
MtGrizzlyEarl Thomas's blog on the Packers game. This Seahawks team reminds me of the "I love this team" Sonics group. So much to root for. http://www.earlthomas.com/2015/01/26/miracle-comeback/1 month 6 days ago
DaddyOIf we have been given misinformation, then our conclusions must be subject to revision. If what we had been told was a fact (i.e., the referees pressure tested the balls in question) is directly contradicted by new information, of course--- it transforms the situation. You can only form an opinion on the information you have.1 month 6 days ago
MtGrizzlyI don't need deflate gate to dislike Tom Brady1 month 1 week ago
rick82Hey man, haters gonna hate. We'll find something else. Actually, I don't hate Brady or Belichick, and if I am wrong and he's not a big fat lying liar, I will post my retraction as obvious as the accusation.1 month 1 week ago
moethedogAll you Patriot haters may need to backtrack on the Deflategate/cheating comments: Looks like it was the refs who blew it. http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-nfl-approved-under-inflated-balls-from-patriots/ar-AA8DMF1?ocid=iehp1 month 1 week ago
SABR MattI am of course also glad that I have not lost power in this blizzard. :-)1 month 1 week ago
SABR MattGlad that the mariners are willing to continue to show a certain loyalty to Gutierrez, and equally glad that Chavez is willing to show loyalty to the mariners and accept minor league contracts and play in Tacoma until needed1 month 1 week ago
DaddyOGood one, Rick.1 month 1 week ago
rick82DTFT -is he back? The original Tom Brady (Deflate Those Flying Things!)1 month 1 week ago
MtGrizzlyBrowner was interviewed by ESPN and encouraged his teammates to break Sherman's arm. Lynch will probably be fined for not talking to the media but I'm betting Browner faces no penalty. #nfl1 month 1 week ago
mojicianI think that the Boomstick is going to improve the fan experience at Safeco by about three runs per series.1 month 1 week ago
Bat571Hearing about the LED lighting and WiFi at Safeco and the consequent improvements in the fan experience, and then seeing Rich Waltz on MLB Now reminds me of another "fan experience" improvement I wish they'd make - bring back Waltz!!!1 month 1 week ago
DaddyOBatten down the hatches, Matt!1 month 1 week ago
SABR Mattwish me luck, all - about to get clobbered with a massive blizzard...could be three feet of snow. :)1 month 1 week ago
Tacoma RainNumber 14 was my first hero, and the only numbered shirt I would wear in my youth. He was class personified, and had a never ending joy for the game or people. RIP to a true gentleman and legend of the game.1 month 1 week ago
DaddyOErnie Banks. Always loved that guy. Although not exactly the same kind of hitter, Edgar Martinez always reminded me of Ernie Banks, a little in attitude, bit mostly in the fact that he played his whole outstanding career for a team that never made it to the World Series. Most of my admitted bitterness against the M's is their lack of commitment to go the extra mile to get Edgar and the gang into one when they had the chance. Banks IS the Chicago Cubs.1 month 1 week ago
rick82You'll have to share that story with us, Diderot.1 month 1 week ago
jemanjiLet's play two, Diderot1 month 1 week ago
diderotSorry to completely change the topic, but a moment of tribute (and sadness) for Ernie Banks. Through an entirely unpredictable set of circumstances, I had dinner with him the night he was elected to the Hall of Fame. You could not ask for a better human being. Baseball was immensely better for having had him.1 month 1 week ago
jemanjirumor seems to be that somebody clandestinely took a needle to the balls between pre game inspection and halftime ...1 month 1 week ago
mojicianA Mariners analogy would be freezing or humidifying the opponent's baseballs, dehydrating Mariners baseballs, or closing the roof every half inning so the ball is more lively during Mariners at bats.1 month 1 week ago
mojicianThe plot thickens: Apparently, after a referee marks a seal of approval on game balls, they are returned to the providing team's equipment manager just before the game. Also, each team provides its own balls for the offense to play with, so deflate gate caused a disadvantage to the Colts.1 month 1 week ago
mojicianIf Brady prefers underinflated balls, how does he claim that he didn't know anything about the balls being underinflated? They must have felt underinflated to his expert throwing hand. We have motive, we have an inconsistent story from the main suspect, we have obviously tampered balls. What we don't have is the tampering device, who the principal was who actually did the deed, and who all of the aiders and abetters are in this conspiracy. Take Brady downtown and make him squeal.1 month 1 week ago
DaddyOIt doesn't matter whether the advantage sought by the Patriots actually changed the outcome of the game, or whether restoring balls to within tolerance for the second half shows that the advantage sought shows that it had little or no effect. What matters is that clearly someone connected with the Patriots in some way did in fact seek such an illegal advantage. 11 of 12 balls were outside pressure limits, all underpressured, a stated preference of Tom Brady.. Not a koinkidink. Someone intentionally made it so, and did so at the express or implied, immediate or mediate request of Tom Brady. In addition, the officials responsible for testing either didn't do their job or were in on the subterfuge. Once it is publicly known that a team sough such an illegal advantage, the NFL MUST do something...publicly, else it is demonstrated to tolerate the seeking of illegal advantages.1 month 1 week ago
moethedogAll the balls were re-inflated at half time....as the balls go back to the refs. Didn't hurt the Pats much after halftime.1 month 1 week ago
SABR Mattagreed that Brady and Belichek likely know what is happening with the balls...and that only the balls Brady got were under-inflated (yielding a lopsided outcome).1 month 1 week ago
SABR MattI always knew Furbush was tall, but he doesn't stand tall on the mound much...he pitches with a stooped stance that makes him look shorter.1 month 1 week ago
okdanThis is apropos of nothing, but I just saw a photo of the guys wearing the new alternate uniforms, and... Did you realize that Charlie Furbush is 6' 5"? He's got an inch on Paxton, and a few inches on Cruz. Always thought he was a shorter guy :shrug:1 month 1 week ago
moethedogI believe that once the balls (12 for each team) go to the Referee to be checked (2 hours and 15 minutes before game time) the balls are never in the possession of "some locker room guy." The Referee is to check each ball and then they remain in his possession until just before game time when they go to a ball attendant, on the field. The home team provides the ball attendant for both teams. This guy is responsible for the balls, which (I believe) are delivered back to the refs during halftime. The ball attendant is in a stripped shirt, I believe.1 month 1 week ago
SpectatorAnd it's a championship game. And inclement weather. And Brady's been playing in that same stadium for, what, 15 years? Some locker room guy is going to take the initiative on his own accord to change the balls just for the heck of it? No way. It was done because Brady wanted it done. Maybe with a wink and a nod, but because Brady wanted it done.1 month 1 week ago
SpectatorBut all the ex-jocks on espn are saying there's NO WAY an equipment guy does anything to the ball unless Brady knows and approves. And that's for any starting QB, but particularly for a veteran mega-star who's known to be particular about how he wants the balls prepared. Hard to buy Brady's Sgt. Schultz I know NOTH-ing stuff. Reminds me of Lance Armstong "I'm-bigger-than-the-sport so I can get away with it" routine.1 month 1 week ago
MtGrizzlyRe. Deflate gate - I wouldn't t want to be a Patriots ball boy right now. I think this poop will roll all the way down hill and some poor ball boy is going to take the fall.1 month 1 week ago
MtGrizzlyMontero is almost certainly headed to Tacoma to play 1B. He's Morrison insurance and they will want him swinging the bat every day, not sitting on the bench.1 month 1 week ago
SilentpadnaIt won't affect the Super Bowl - other than the extra babysitting (and the fact that Brady won't get to use what he may be apparently used to). They should get sanctioned something like, but not as severe, as what the Saints had to go through - if the investigation uncovers intention and proof.1 month 1 week ago
SABR MattMy guess is that the Pats get a slap on the wrist and the NFL whitewashes the whole thing.1 month 1 week ago
misterjonezSo what are the bets that deflategate actually gains any traction? I'm curious what the mainframe thinks :)1 month 1 week ago
Lonnie of MCNo, Montero did NOT weigh 275 last year. I saw him in ST and he looked to be about 250 tops.1 month 1 week ago
Bat571If he's now a solid, aerobic-conditioned 235# at 6'3", and he still has the eye he's shown in the past, I'm getting increasingly interested in seeing this guy on the roster. I wonder if they have him taking some reps behind the plate as well, or they think it best to just put that in the rear-view mirror. If he puts on the tools during pitchers and catchers week, it's going to get *very* interesting in my mind. And if Edgar can teach him how to effectively keep warm and loose when DHing, there's still a lot of value in his bat -- and as a 1B against those LH that Morrison can't solve. JackZ is soft-pedaling the possibilities in my mind (extended tough love?), but if he hits like he once could, Jesus could end up being a major player for a contender even as a BU 1B / BU DH / 3rd C. When do we face Sale again?1 month 1 week ago
SABR MattYeah...275 for a guy not any taller than me...I barely outweigh him...that can't be good1 month 1 week ago
MtGrizzlyWas Montero really up to 275 last year? Puts 'ice cream gate' in perspective!1 month 1 week ago
MtGrizzlyGeneral manager Jack Zduriencik and manager Lloyd McClendon both expressed optimism about Montero's offseason workouts at Thursday's Mariners pre-Spring Training luncheon. The 25-year-old has dropped about 40 pounds from last year and is at the requested reporting weight of 235 that he far overshot last spring at the start of a disappointing season.1 month 1 week ago
GrumpyLol Moj, those are great!1 month 1 week ago
mojicianAfter hearing about Coriolis and all the others, the Mariners reached the KFA with Walker to protect their prospects. The Mariners upper management called this strategy "addition by not subtracting".1 month 1 week ago
mojicianYou remember that the "Coriolis Effect" was not named after a scientist, but after a minor league player that Taijuan Walker killed with his curve ball.1 month 1 week ago
mojicianAlso, it is not clear that the Mariners-Walker exclusive killing forbearance agreement can be assigned, as Walker likes the other teams a lot less than he likes the Mariners.1 month 1 week ago
mojicianTaijuan Walker was traded to the Diamondbacks more than two years ago, but the deal is stalled because Zduriencik hasn't had the guts to tell him yet.1 month 1 week ago
mojicianThe Mariners don't pay Taijuan Walker to play baseball. Rather, they pay him money, and he agrees not to kill any of the Mariners' players with a baseball.1 month 1 week ago
mojicianTaijuan Walker thinks that the term "trade bait" is something that should be done regularly to induce more hitters to step into the batters box against him.1 month 1 week ago
SABR MattI say we should look at him because the market for his services is perceived to be very weak and because we can use the surplus in our rotation that adding Shields would create to trade for another bat or to restock the upper minors with prospects.1 month 1 week ago
rick82Shields? Another Super Bowl appearance by their next door neighbors has to have some of these owners rethinking budget concerns. The nice thing about baseball, is you don't have to hire a genius like Carroll, you can buy your way to greatness. Anyway, keep the social pressure on them, Hawks.1 month 1 week ago
SABR MattIf I were the Mariners, I would now be looking seriously at James Shields.1 month 1 week ago
Bat571So, the Astros trade Corporan to the Rangers. Looks like their C surplus is reduced and the chances of their trading a C for Erasmo just went to zilch. Ah, well.1 month 1 week ago
Bat571On the Astros, if they want to keep Casto and Conger and Gattis at C, with Corporan at AAA, I wonder if Max Stassi might be available for Erasmo. He isn't a LH hitter like Castro, but might be a nice hedge on Hicks developing.1 month 1 week ago
Bat571Then I expect they'll sign Endy again and he'll have a June opt-out again, but he's worth having around. And then Guti - boy, if he'd take an NRI contract with a mid-June opt-out I could really get behind that. If he gets his timing back and can play ~regularly it'd be nice insurance for a contender, especially until Austin Jackson shows he can hit in Safeco. Carlos Rivero is already signed and invited. Humberto Quintero is still waiting for his call. I'd like to see Erasmo Ramirez bring back something of use - if the Astros still need pitching, it'd be nice to put Guerrero or Marte or even Sanchez with Erasmo and see if Jason Castro could be broken loose. Just some noodlin'.1 month 1 week ago
Bat571About time now for the Ms to do some NRI signings. I don't think Chris Young will sign a minor league deal, but it would be fun to see him go toe-to-toe with Happ for a rotation slot. Beimel should be the BP lefty we need - in reserve, perhaps, while Olmos, Kickham, et al sort things out; but he was Steady Eddie last year.1 month 1 week ago
moethedogAstros have made themselves pertinent. I'm impressed. Rasmus for 1X$4M was a steal of decent proportion.1 month 1 week ago
SABR MattScherzer's deal is fascinating...and may set a precedent for teams looking to compete without breaking the bank short term. Teams like the Mariners. Scherzer to the NL is good news, but the Nats are looking pretty darned good in 2015...and now the Rangers are a bit of a factor in the AL West, as are the Astros...the entire west is dangerous.1 month 2 weeks ago
SABR Mattwow...Gallardo to Texas? That, I did not expect.1 month 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyThat Scherzer contract is interesting. I don't remember ever seeing that much $$ deferred before.1 month 2 weeks ago
rick82It's also nice to get the Nationals out of our "NL teams to play" list. In other news, when asked to comment, Matt Hasselbeck was quoted last night as saying, "Yeah, I told you we were gonna score."1 month 2 weeks ago
mojicianIt's nice to get Scherzer out of the American League.1 month 2 weeks ago
Tacoma RainWOW.... busy morning in baseball... Cubs get Fowler, Rangers get Gallardo, Scherzer signs with Nationals1 month 2 weeks ago
mojicianMy love for Chris Sale knows few bounds, but I still wouldn't trade Felix for him. The Condor's stick arm is so skinny that it seems like it may be in danger of falling off with mileage. Plus, Felix pitches much deeper into games than Sale does.1 month 2 weeks ago
mojicianThe White Sox rotation is going to be putrid nasty in 2015. They have The (other) Condor, Shark, Quintana, Danks and Noesi for the rotation, with 13.9k/9 Carlos Rodon in the hopper, the White Sox can pitch a little bit. Oh, and with Abreu and LaRoche for MOTO, they can hit a little bit too. l1 month 2 weeks ago
SABR MattUnbelievable...I miss the ugliest, greatest football game of the last decade because I'm the best man at my brother in law's wedding...man...1 month 2 weeks ago
bsrCan't forget to mention Sherman playing with one arm for a whole quarter (and they still wouldn't go after him!), and Earl Thomas playing with a dislocated shoulder (!) for most of the game. Amazing. Hope they are healed up by SB week, we aren't likely beating the Pats if they can't go full speed.1 month 2 weeks ago
bsrTotal respect for the Packers players, especially the defense and Rodgers doing his best while hobbling around. That hit Matthews put on Wilson was awesome. Their coach McCarthy however...I was very unimpressed with. Wussing out on those two 19 yard FG's when they had a chance to take the life out of Seattle in the first quarter, was inexcusable on his part. Those are the calls you can point to and argue GB deserved to lose.1 month 2 weeks ago
bsrI knew we were in trouble from the beginning because Wilson historically struggles greatly in the rain. There was a FG article on it earlier this year. Having watched this game though, I think it's as much that his receivers struggle in the rain - with drops and inability to get open (hard enough for them in perfect conditions). So Wilson needs to force the issue which he's not great at. Luckily that will not be an issue in AZ.1 month 2 weeks ago
bsrThe way Marshawn Lynch was running in the 4th quarter of that game...was unforgettable. He won this game for us (well him and Ryan the punter!). We really need to collectively cherish this Super Bowl because I don't think we'll ever see another player like Beast Mode. Absolute indomitable champion warrior.1 month 2 weeks ago
DaddyOBrady, Bel and Co. are up to it, but they'd better be prepared to kill the snake utterly and completely, because otherwise it will find a way to cheat death and prevail.1 month 2 weeks ago
misterjonezI don't blame them, Griz. Haven't seen the game itself yet, but wow...talk about historic. There is nothing this team can't do, and I don't mean that in the sense of 'any given Sunday.' These guys are the apex predators of the NFL right now, and it's going to take a pretty gutsy performance by Brady & Co. to stop a re-Pete by this group.1 month 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyHours after the game, my cheesehead friends are still somewhere between stunned, bitter and bewildered.1 month 2 weeks ago
mojicianThat's it. A lifetime memory. That was one of the greatest events I've ever seen.1 month 2 weeks ago
DaddyOThe last three minutes of regulation combined with overtime together constitute the kind of story that makes being a sports fan worthwhile. It was a privilege to have our local team do what it did at the end of the game. Thank you Seahawks for a lifetime memory.1 month 2 weeks ago
IcebreakerXMtGrizzly: That's why the M's are so frustrating for me nowadays...1 month 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyIs there any franchise in professional sports that does a better job of cultivating and connecting with their fan base than the Seahawks?1 month 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyWow. There is just no quit in this Hawks team.1 month 2 weeks ago
GrumpyCrazy!1 month 2 weeks ago
IcebreakerXThat was THE DOUBLE for the Seahawks right there.1 month 2 weeks ago
Tacoma RainI guess I'm good with a couple more weeks of football.... :)1 month 2 weeks ago
muddyfrogwaterOMG! Seahawks! That's what a dynasty team is made of.1 month 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyBeen a long time since the Seahawks have been this unprepared for a game. Losing all three phases of the game by a wide margin at the half.1 month 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzly@RoenisElias29: In Arizona - Starting to work early! Spring training, 2015 season oh I'm ready!1 month 2 weeks ago
rick82This site is screwier than ever. Anyway, just noticed (by compete accident, believe me) there was a wonderful thread on music going from Spec's post. I just added my piece. Didn't want folks to miss it.1 month 2 weeks ago
FungineerDid Edgar really decline so rapidly? Starting at age 37 (2000), his OPS+ for the next four years was 158, 160, 139, 140. Fairly consistent production to the age of 40. Even age 41 wasn&#039;t terrible (OPS+ of 92 supported by an OBP of .342).1 month 2 weeks ago
GLSI don't feel at all compelled to be fair to the M's about RJ.1 month 2 weeks ago
DaddyOAnd in fairness to the M's re: RJ, it could be they felt that Griffey and A-Rod contract negotiations not far in the future, they couldn't sign all three to mega-contracts, so they got what they could for a star pitcher having bad season who had a bad back, this in order to give them a better chance to keep Griffey and hopes to retain A-Rod. And at the time they couldn't have known Edgar would decline so rapidly either.1 month 2 weeks ago
DaddyOYeah, that's why I said "Lotsa reasons, not all one-sided." But you're right, but I'd guess A-Rod was 85/15 himself, Griffey was 50/50, and RJ was 75/25 M's. At least that's my take with my recollections. Could be wrong.1 month 2 weeks ago
diderotDaddyO: agree entirely on your RJ analysis. But not on the other two. I think Griffey saw the new stadium...realized he wouldn&#039;t hit enough homers to satisfy him...and decided he was out at all costs. For A-Rod, the stage here would never be big enough. Needed the bigger contract...bigger exposure. Just my interpretation.1 month 2 weeks ago
DaddyOMy recollection is that the org felt Randy either wasn't sound physically or quit on them in 1998 (4.33 ERA 9-10 record, nothing remotely like those number over the preceding 10 years). It's interesting that once traded to Houston he went 10-1 with a 1.28 ERA. Bottom line the org soured on Randy, and Randy soured on them. There was a lot of that stuff going on for the next few years. The M's didn't want to pay the salaries their superstars commanded either. So we lost Randy in '98, Griffey in 2000, and A-Rod in 2001. Lotsa reasons, not all one-sided, but the bottom line is the Mariners didn't appreciate what they had like they should have. Finally Lou got so frustrated he left after 2003. The M's paid for their organizational myopia over the next decade...in spades they paid. So why should Randy wear an M's cap? I wouldn't if I was him.1 month 2 weeks ago
John PierceIt looks like Castro signed with the Strohs for $4 mil.1 month 2 weeks ago
diderotNoting that Shadler&#039;s site today identified six breakout pitchers in the AL this year. Two of them were named Paxton and Elias.1 month 2 weeks ago
rick82Probably the right thing to do: represent the organization that showed the most faith in you. I think his connection with the fans was/is strongest here, however.1 month 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzly@RyanDivish: As expected, Randy Johnson will be wearing a Diamondbacks hat on his plaque in Cooperstown.1 month 2 weeks ago
SABR MattAgreed bat...I'd love to have Castro I'm here now...I hope Z is still looking for ways to improve the club1 month 2 weeks ago
Bat571Astros now definitely have too many catchers and are looking for pitching depth. I wonder if an Erasmo Ramirez and one of Victor Sanchez/Gabe Guerrero/Ketel Marte package would get Jason Castro? A 27yo LH hitting catcher might be a nice return, since Sucre still has an option and Ramirez doesn't. Let Castro fight it out for playing time, while Sucre is still available and while Hicks gets his AAA ABs.1 month 2 weeks ago
SpectatorLars Huijer -- the Dutch Master -- was very raw coming over from Holland as a teen, but he put together a very promising season at Everett at age 19. Not a K machine, but very good at limiting hard contact (only 2 HR and .058 ISO-against). They pushed him hard up the ladder in 2014, and not surprisingly he struggled at High Desert. It's interesting to me that Theo Epstein's crew picked him off the list of low-minors arms to take a chance on. Of course, Jack and Mac are constantly replenishing the supply of intriguing arms, so spinning off the surplus for MLB spare parts is going to be part of the story for awhile.1 month 2 weeks ago
rick82Orcs - always formidable, but throw a few top of the line warriors their way and they'll fold like a cheap suit.1 month 2 weeks ago
SpectatorWell ... two of my once-favorite pitching prospects gone (maybe) in a flash. Anthony Fernandez was ahead of Roenis Elias when they were both at High Desert, though Elias always had better "stuff." An-Fernan got the call to AA first, and opened his AA career with 9.0 IP, 1 ER then 9.0 IP, 0 ER. That's how he got on the 40-man. But that was his high-water-mark and he hasn't been "right" since 2013. He'll probably clear waivers and return to the M's org, and it's actually kind of surprising that he's been on the 40-man this long.1 month 2 weeks ago
TaroI actually think they have an offense similar to ours in overall production. They have better Obp potential vs our power. We have more stars, but they have better benchies and much better depth. They're defense is better whereas we have a couple star arms. It'll be close.1 month 2 weeks ago
SABR MattI don't think the As are contenders in the slightest. Their line-up is dreadful...lacking in any power potential and not super-high in OBP generation either. Their defense may be slightly better than 2014, but their bullpen and rotation were already close to maxed out last year and they're relying in guys who came out of nowhere last year to produce well for them (especially Chavez). I don't think this formula will work1 month 2 weeks ago
TaroWhen it comes down to it, the As in 2015 look pretty good and could contend for the division if things break their way. Only $24M on the books in 2016. The team is has tons of club-controlled players and flexibility, but ZERO stars. Its the kind of approach I've never seen before. Maybe long-term, Beane is looking for a breakout from his spaghetti, or maybe he trades it and/or spends. It'll be interesting to watch.1 month 2 weeks ago
TaroZobrist, Kazmir, and Clippard all have a shot of being worth QOs. Also I think Clippard was a safer bet to be valuable in 2015 than Escobar. I think Beane tries to extend Zobrist reasonably, but if it can't be done he'll collect the pick.1 month 2 weeks ago
SABR MattSo...the As revert to starting Zobrist at SS and Semien at 2B. I really...really don't understand what is happening in Oakland.1 month 2 weeks ago
SABR MattLOL!! The magic mystery Billy Beane show continues to confuse the heck out of me. Beane FINALLY blugged his gigantic seeping wound at shortstop with Yunel Escobar...only to immediately trade him for...Tyler Clippard????? WHHAAAA??? WHY on earth would you DO that?? The As bullpen was already top drawer...what the heck is Beane THINKING??1 month 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossLol moj. Gattis cost the Astros two of their top-8 prospects (BA rankings). Essentially, it would have cost us Elias, Austin Wilson and probably Victor Sanchez to top that deal. Or if you prefer to match it as straight up as you can, thats #3 (Marte, but because they have their own Marte it would be #2 DJ or #4 Kivlehan), #8 Gohara, and a low minors strike thrower with Ks like Yarbrouch (untradable at this exact point, but let's pretend). I can see why Jack went with Plan B instead of trying to keep bidding. The AL West will be interesting this year.1 month 2 weeks ago
SABR Mattthat would actually make sense...Shields or Scherzer on that club would make it borderline-up competitive.1 month 2 weeks ago
mojicianOr maybe they like having Scott Feldman as their opening day starter.1 month 2 weeks ago
mojicianThey need uncle Crane to get out that checkbook for Scherzer or Big Game James. I bet that the Astros are the secret team who have already promised Shields $110 million. If you were Jim Crane, and you were an ex pitcher, and you owned $2 billion and the Astros, what would you do? He probably didn't buy the team in hopes of it being a cheap loser doormat club.1 month 2 weeks ago
SABR MattGattis would be used as the Astros' left fielder...not their catcher. But still, this Astros club will hit a little bit in 2015. But can they pitch a little bit?1 month 2 weeks ago
DaddyOHey, the M's counter by trading for Mik "Kick 'im" Kichkam. Not exactly an encouraging last name for a pitcher. Apparently opposing MLB batters helped him live up to his moniker, booting him around for a 10+ ERA.1 month 2 weeks ago
mojician'Stros trade for Evan Gattis for players nobody has ever heard of. Gattis has 4 years of club control left. Gattis slugs .490 at catcher. Thought 1: Gattis's first two years are way better than what Napoli and V-Mart produced in their rookie and sophomore seasons. Thought 2: The Atlanta Braves must really disregard their fans' feelings. Thought 3: Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid.1 month 2 weeks ago
rick82Been unplugged for a week or so. Catching up. Best takeaway so far out of all I've read is this: Nuremberg 1561: cool. Oh, And I wanna hang out with DaddyO and Spec sometime and groove on whatever music they want to lay on me.1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattThat would explain the lack of zip on his throws this year.1 month 3 weeks ago
Lonnie of MCWord is that Manning has been playing with a quad tear for the past few weeks.1 month 3 weeks ago
SpectatorNate Silver concludes the best post-season quarterback of the Super Bowl era is ... Eli Manning. Peyton is 28th. Brady 6th. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-clutch-postseason-quarterback-of-all-time-is-eli-manning/1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI think Manning's problem is that he lacks creativity. He is a one-dimensional pocket-passing machine of a QB...he's really good at that when his arm is right...he's precise and proficient and powerful. It makes him a phenomenal weapon when he's got the tools to throw to and he can execute physically...but if he's a little off on his rm or has some other physical issue...or if his support cast isn't up to it...he can't adjust and do something different. Look what Brady just pulled off in that comeback against the Ravens. They were giving him all kinds of problems early in that game and then he just started making s&%! up on the fly at complete random to get through. Manning can't do that. It means he will flame out more quickly as he ages out...and it means he will struggle in the play-offs against better teams who can take away his tools downfield or get enough pressure on him to take away the pokcet passing game.1 month 3 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyYeah, Manning didn't have any mustard on his throws for the last six games or so. I suspect injury. Of course, his boss Elway won two Super Bowls with greatly diminished arm strength.1 month 3 weeks ago
SilentpadnaI'm not so sure about that misterjonez. To me he doesn't look the same physically. He had almost nothing yesterday. No zip. Very little accuracy. He made a few throws, but he just didn't look the same. He may not have the "it" that Brady has, but I don't think yesterday had much to say about it. I don't believe he physically can do it throughout a full season anymore. If he can, he sure didn't look like it this year. Maybe it was a specific injury or maybe he's done. Only he knows that, but my guess is that he gets a shot in that neck area almost every day. Again, only a guess. I would also guess that he would have won more SB's had he played in NE (not than Brady necessarily, but maybe close).1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattGB's O-line and D-line are both horribly inconsistent...Seattle may have chances to get pressure on Rodgers...and if they do, I assure you...they will get to him. :)1 month 3 weeks ago
misterjonezI think there has to be something to the whole storyline about Peyton lacking *something* that Tom Brady has. I have no idea what that could be but, without employing too many cliches, it's clear that for whatEVER reason, Peyton isn't the Top Dawg in playoff football. Still, he's one whale of a quarterback. As for Dallas going down, yeah, I fell quite a bit better going up against GB at CLink than I did about Dallas coming to town again. It's just a much better matchup for the Hawks; GB's run defense is going to have trouble with our hydra in the backfield.1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR Matter...Peyton Manning...I must be tired.1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattGood news this weekend...glad to see Dallas go down in flames and equally glad to see Eli Manning choke in the clutch yet again.1 month 3 weeks ago
MtGrizzly"NFL.com, the league’s official website, reported Saturday that the Seahawks are so serious about getting that done that they are prepared to make Wilson the highest-paid quarterback in the league."1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI don't think Zobrist and Escobar make the As contenders, no. Their lineup is still awful1 month 3 weeks ago
muddyfrogwaterXLIX Pats 20 Hawks 241 month 3 weeks ago
TaroWhat a wierd offseason for the As. They are now in the mix at the top of the division with the Angels and Ms.1 month 3 weeks ago
IcebreakerXHope SABRMatt is okay ;)1 month 3 weeks ago
moethedogHe's got to roll Zobrist into something else.1 month 3 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyIs this what it would look like if Beane started going all 'Howard Hughes' on us?1 month 3 weeks ago
mojicianBeane must have escaped from the space dungeon where they had him locked.1 month 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossRobertson is most like Taylor, I would suppose, though because Taylor wasn't a first round pick he wasn't as highly rated. Robertson was also a prep choice, so he's still growing into his adult production. Can't figure out what Beane is doing with all his top guys, I guess. Seems like very short-term returns when he's already (apparently) decimated his short-term potential.1 month 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossSo, Zobrist and Escobar to the As, Jaso heads back to Tampa. The As kicked their most recent top SS prospect Robertson in as well. So nope, I still can't figure out the plan in Oakland.1 month 3 weeks ago
SpectatorRe possible Daniel Robertson comps among M's prospects. Julio Morban hit really well in the Cal League at 20, but struck out 20% and obviously was not a shortstop. Ketel Marte was in AA at 20, but I'm not sure he could slug .471 if he were allowed to hit from second base. In other words, A's gave up a lot.1 month 3 weeks ago
SpectatorZobrist and Yunel Escobar to A's for Jaso and two prospects. Daniel Robertson is ranked No. 1 in A's system by MLB.com; Boog Powell (not the old Oriole) was No. 11 but is coming off a drug suspension. Robertson is a first-round pick coming off an .871 OPS at High-A at age 20 as a shortstop. Only struck out 14.6% of PA. That's high calibre stuff, Cal League notwithstanding. Can't think of a recent Mariner prospect who would compare to that. Interesting that Jaso goes full circle back to his original team.1 month 3 weeks ago
moethedogInteresting Lonnie.....Of all the M's bat/glove prospects, those 4 would probably be the ones that I would think will first make it to Safeco. Hicks included, as long as we don't sign a veteran catcher.1 month 3 weeks ago
Lonnie of MCI know I'm getting into this conversation late, but concerning Geoff Baker and the HOF vote, I happen to know for a fact that Baker believes that Gar was juicing at least for one season with the M's. Also, the M's have John Hicks, DJ Peterson, Patrick Kivlehan, and Ketel Marte in Virginia right now going to a MLB prep camp where they will learn how to handle their money, how to deal with the press, and get the low-down on what to expect. With that in mind, you gotta think that the M's are thinking that Hicks will be seeing time at the MLB level at some point this year. I'm hoping for a September call up rather than something stupid like an injury...1 month 3 weeks ago
moethedogRyan Lavarnway is again available as a BU catcher. Shield you eyes from his ugly '13 and you can see a decent prospect who can wear a 1B glove, too. He was a pretty good thrower in the minors but in the bigs he's only thrown out 16% of the guys running on him. I don't know anything about his pitch framing. He would be an offensive upgrade over Sucre, likely. he's hit in 'AAA and shown some bat (minus '13) in the bigs. Perhaps a defensive slide, however. Worth a minor leage contract...but he's likely to get something better from someone else. If Zunino were to get 15-Day'ed, those 15 days of Sucre's bat would be pretty ugly, unless we're ready to give Hicks the call this year.1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattLOL...no. :)1 month 3 weeks ago
SpectatorMatt ... the M's might consider re-signing either Endy Chavez or Franklin Gutierrez as OF depth. That good enough?1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattthey had him playing first in interleague games one year to keep his bat in the line-up and he hurt himself...and then he stopped appearing in interleague games.1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattLOL...I'm enjoying the Konspiracy stuff...but baseball would be good to see. :)1 month 3 weeks ago
jemanjiBaseball article up in an hour. Vot next?1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattMartinez was indeed a decent third baseman in 1992. After which he severely injured himself in ST and was never the same in terms of speed and range. I remember a game in which Martinez collided with I believe John Marzano? It was some back-up catcher. While he was playing first base...and I remember Piniella saying they weren't going to make him field again after that happened because it was too risky.1 month 3 weeks ago
Bat571Hopefully, Randy and Junior will keep up the drumbeat that Gar was as essential to the Ms success as they were - and even more so, when you consider that 2001 was after Randy, then Junior, and then A-Rod had left, leaving Gar as the real heart of the team and lineup.1 month 3 weeks ago
Bat571Gar was actually a decent 3B, but there were some near-misses going after pop-ups, and then the really bad hamstring tear while running the bases. After that the Ms pretty much kept him at DH, and he kept his hammies warm on the stationary bike between ABs, rather than being in the partial squat every inning at 3B. But I have little doubt that he could have continued to play 3B or 1B IF THE OFFICIAL RULES OF BASEBALL had not allowed the other solution.1 month 3 weeks ago
SilentpadnaHe tweaked his hammy really bad playing up at BC Place in Vancouver one time. I remember that being a big deal. A lot of players complained about that place. At that point, the M's decided (smartly) that DH was a better risk. Again, had the position not been there, he would have played the field. He did come the majors a 3B, blocked for a few seasons by the immortal Jim Presley I believe.1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattWell, didn't the Mariners try Martinez at first base a few different times, only to have him spike himself or run into the catcher or trip on the base or some other retarded thing each time?1 month 3 weeks ago
SilentpadnaIf you can't have DH's then you shouldn't have AL pitchers. The DH debate is stupid on its face. Does anyone think that if the DH didn't exist, that Gar wouldn't have played? Most of these guys making opinions on the subject can't even peal back the layers of their own thought processes - which is common in all debates, not just this one...1 month 3 weeks ago
diderotGordon, no need to qualify the Baker reference. He isn&#039;t a devil&#039;s advocate--journalistically, he is the devil. There is no story more important (in his mind) than he is. The check on this: historically, how often has he been right...as opposed to how often he&#039;s been wrong? He&#039;s sad.1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattThe HOF is discredited wholesale by the inclusion of Red Farrell (ACCIDENTALLY elected)...from that moment on, there was never any reason to take it seriously.1 month 3 weeks ago
jemanjiYeah, everybody has some quirks and biases, Baker fewer than others IMHO. We even heard John Clayton say some mindless stuff* on the radio the other day. There were a few years when I argued that Rod Carew wasn't a great player. Geoffy's position on Edgar -- one of the two of us is just spacing out. :- ) … that said, Edgar has already gotten 1,000x more glory than any mortal man, including any of us here, and I don't weep for him. Never understood the saber dudes who tweet "I'm going to spend the next year working my buns off for Joe Shlabotnik's HOF case."1 month 3 weeks ago
Cool Papa BellIt's really something that we can have relief pitchers in the Hall but we can't have even one DH.1 month 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossBonds, Mantle, Pujols, Big Mac, Dick Allen, Willy Mays, Big Hurt, Frank Robinson, Hank Aaron, Man-Ram, Miguel Cabrera (for now), Bagwell, and Stan the Man Musial. That's the ENTIRE list of guys who outhit Edgar since 1950. Excepting steroids and being a jerk, are they any numbers reasons why ANY of those guys shouldn't be in the HOF? At least half of them are inner-circle dudes who are THE legends of the last 75 years. Allen's career was too short at only 7300 PAs, maybe, but Gar had 1300 more than that. I dunno man - I understand the NL hates the DH, but it's been a position longer than I've been alive, so I guess I have trouble with that argument. The one that Gar isn't worthy is even harder to grok.1 month 3 weeks ago
KingCorranThat being said - thanks for the excellent breakdown on where Geoff is coming from. That greatly simplified and clarified my understanding of his opposition!1 month 3 weeks ago
KingCorranDHing to stay healthy never made any sense to me. Isn't 1B an insanely easier defensive position, with greatly lowered risk to health? We don't dock an SS or OF from HoF consideration when they have to move to 1B later in their career. I don't see why DH should be a significantly different thumb on the scale of 'health gained' just because we don't SEE them out there saving their poor limbs every other half-inning.1 month 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossGeoff is a hardcore stat counter and devil's advocate. Gar doesn't have the longevity or counting stats he wants, and if you counter with "But his rate stats are LUDICROUSLY high" he'll tell you that it's only because he was DHing to stay healthy or, ironically, that Gar didn't start off young enough for his growth curve to show in his big-league stats (ie, they are artificially inflated because he began his Major League career near his peak). So you can't win. Some people just hate the DH, or prefer longevity over yearly impact. For the years Gar played, there were maybe three RH hitters on his level: Big Hurt (HOF), Bagwell (Andro is keeping him out atm), and Man-Ram (roids). Pujols started his career at the end of Gar's, McGwire wasn't as good... almost nobody was as good. Maybe he'll have better luck with the Vet Committee.1 month 3 weeks ago
KingCorranGranted, the man couldn't find 10 worthy candidates to vote for on this year's ballot (allowing for the no-steroid position). But if Geoff, whom we tend to hold in such high regard, can work here this long and remain unpersuaded... it's an uphill battle for anyone else from the East Coast who doesn't have the local ties. Shoot - I still can't believe that a detail like '4th-all-time RH OBP' doesn't end the conversation by itself.1 month 3 weeks ago
KingCorranIt's going to be hard to convince the electorate-at-large if we can't even convince Geoff Baker.1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattThe HOF shouldn't care about east coast bias...the HOF should be fair. It isn't...but it should be.1 month 3 weeks ago
jemanji"If you have to be an immense offensive talent to get in as a DH, then Gar qualifies easily" -- that's a showstopper. How much better a hitter did you want him to be? How much better was it *possible* for him to be? … And: wearing one unie, for your whole life, is and should be a big thumb on the scale. Would help if the unie had been Baltimore's or Boston's, rather than Seattle's.1 month 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossThere were three incredible RH hitters in Gar's prime: Him, Big Hurt, and Bagwell. They did things right-handed bats almost never do - incredibly rare and amazing hitters. There's no good reason all three shouldn't be HOFers, except for some selective biases on the part of writers. With the reduced waiting time, Gar won't get that lucky, late sympathy that for some reason put a hitter like Jim Rice in the HOF (53rd in wOBA since 1950, 74th in wRC+, but oh yeah, "most feared hitter of his era." Gar SMOKES him in everything but field time and East Coast presence). With Randy this year and Griffey next year, some true legends can stump for the most under-rated Mariner on those teams. Let's hope it starts to make a dent. Gar deserves better.1 month 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossLove the Big Unit stumping for Gar, but he shouldn't have to. Gar's career OBP is 4th ALL-TIME for a RHP. Since I think WAR adjustments for DHs are stupid, let's look at wOBA and wRC+: Bagwell and Gar are 56th and 57th all-time in wOBA+ at .405. In wRC+ they're 31st and 34th respectively. Since 1950? Gar is top-15 in both (7000 PAs - he's top 20 with a minimum qualifier. I ain't cutting people out to make him look better, he just IS better). Everybody ahead of him is either in the HOF (mostly inner circle), should (or will) be, or was a 'roider (and still probably should be in as well). Tons of people behind him are also in the Hall. If you have to be an immense offensive talent to get in as a DH, then Gar qualifies easily. Guess I have to wait on Ortiz to East Coast his way in first. Bagwell is rotting for no good reason too.1 month 3 weeks ago
Bat571The other possibility (pace Moe) is to try to get Craig and Butler from Boston for somebodies like Guerrero, Marte, and Leutge (need to clear some 40-man slots) and then see what interest there might be for Ackley in getting other prospects from, say, the Braves, who are still very RH, Then use Craig in RF and as LoMo insurance similar to the idea of using Zobrist. The OF defense wouldn't be quite as good, but Craig can play a decent RF if he's running OK. But it looks to me like it's still worth trying to get a RF, even at the cost of Ackley, to solidify things. And I agree that Zobrist fits to a "tee".1 month 3 weeks ago
Bat571It'd be a cleaner move for the Ms if the Rays would do Ackley + a low-level C/C+ arm for Zobrist, but I doubt they'd do that with Ackley entering arb with Boras as agent - he's not going to save them much. But putting the Smith/Ruggiano platoon in LF and Zobrist in RF, with Cruz playing enough to let Zobrist give breaks to Cano and Seager would be a much better defensive OF in my view.1 month 3 weeks ago
Bat571The Red Sox have DFA'd Dan Butler, a 28 yo AAAA catcher with a tiny bit of remaining upside, but not in the class of Christian Vasquez, their catcher-of-the-future, or Blake Swihart, so he's now excess. Might be a nice get in trade for someone like Leutge or Bawcom, since Bawston is looking for BP arms still, and put him in Tacoma for insurance. His rep is solid defense and some bat, but not any kind of star. Might be a nice interim backup, though, until Hicks is ready.1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattSickels is notorious for being stingy...but I still don't think a one year rental is such a bad thing in this case1 month 3 weeks ago
csiemsSickels is about to come out with his M's rankings with Peterson a B+ and Diaz a B. That's not gospel, but if he is at all indicative of how other teams view those players, two B prospects would be about right for Zobrist. Especially in this year when the M's are going for it.1 month 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI don't really care about giving up Edwin Diaz...the question to me is...do I do Peterson + for Zobrist. I think I would, but it would be close...and I think I'd want to extend him. BTW, for those of you who claimed that Zobrist wuold accept a QO...you are just not correct and the proof is Michael Cuddyer. No one has ever accepted the Qo. Ever. No reason to believe Zobrist would.1 month 3 weeks ago
moethedogNope. Not doing that.1 month 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossI would probably have been willing to make that deal for the 20-something Upton, knowing I'm gonna get to extend or QO him. I definitely would have done it for 2 years of Upton. But for one year of 34-year-old Zobrist, who would likely take you up on the QO if you were to give it to him for his age 35 season now that his power seems to be waning? Not sure I'd do that. Not necessarily because I believe in DJ (I like him quite a bit, but he doesn't make me swoon like a 9 year old girl at a Bieber concert) but more because DJ and Diaz should get me more. Maybe they won't... but then maybe I don't trade em. ;-)1 month 3 weeks ago
Bat571Question: If getting Zobrist for the one year and a chance to extend him or QO him requires, say, D.J. Peterson and Edwin Diaz, is that a trade the Ms should make? I'm inclined to yes, because of what's coming along with those guys, but it's a high price, nonetheless.1 month 3 weeks ago
mojicianRe: Johnson non-unanimous vote: Yeah, its that kind of stuff that tarnishes the hall of fame. The voters have become a bigger story than whoever actually gets in.1 month 4 weeks ago
John PierceEven though the Big Unit amassed on of the highest % totals for induction, what morons decided not to vote for him? The old adage that, since Babe Ruth didn&#039;t get 100% of the vote nobody else should, needs to be put to rest. It&#039;ll be interesting to see what % Griffey will receive next year.1 month 4 weeks ago
SpectatorUnit 97.3% HOF no surprise. Edgar had slight uptick from 25.5% to 27.0% after dropping prior two years. Probably doesn't mean much. Fun at the bottom: Aaron Boone two votes! Huh? That's one more than Darin Erstad. Everyday Eddie Guardado gets zero votes. Thought he might get a vote for teaching JJPutz the splitter. Not really.1 month 4 weeks ago
SABR MattWant Zobrist...must have1 month 4 weeks ago
moethedogInteresting: The Rays and free agent outfielder Colby Rasmus have had discussions, reports Jon Morosi of FOX Sports (Twitter links). A Rasmus signing could become more likely in the event of a Ben Zobrist trade, Morosi adds. In that case, the outfield/DH rotation would consist of Rasmus, Kevin Kiermaier, Desmond Jennings, David DeJesus and Steven Souza.1 month 4 weeks ago
Bat571The response commentary by MLBPP himself and that by Matt Garrioch is well worth the effort.1 month 4 weeks ago
Bat571All the activity is at John Sickels' site as he prepares to release his Mariners' prospect analysis. There's also an interesting FanPost there by MLBProspectPulse on prospect analysis. The post itself is fairly straightforward, but the commentary is alternately insightful and ridiculous - the better comments would be an interesting discussion here, but ~1/2 is garbage. But interesting to pick through, nonetheless.1 month 4 weeks ago
zumbroIs time standing still or has absolutely nothing occurred since DaddyO shout from two days ago?1 month 4 weeks ago
diderotAdded coverage and analysis are always appreciated. And something the MSM doesn&#039;t seem willing to deliver. But I&#039;d add an entirely different wish. I have a feeling if the community here were gathered together for a few beers (or whatever beverages are considered appropriate) there would be some world class baseball stories exchanged. Is it possible to set up some sidebar where such things could be posted? Some days I don&#039;t want more analysis...but I can always use more baseball stories. Just a thought...2 months 20 hours ago
DaddyONeed to add some diversionary material as well. Like Conspiracy Corner. You know, "Did the US simulate the moon landing?" "How FDR secretly knew about Pearl Harbor in advance." "Who REALLY shot JR?" Stuff like that. jk, of course.2 months 1 day ago
SABR MattPress credentials can certainly be had...but SSI would need to be labeled a press organization...something to work on?2 months 1 day ago
jemanjiKnowing Benihana, you'll have about half that stuff Mojo. … I don't see why G-Money can't apply for press credentials? Not unusual for bloggers to get them -2 months 1 day ago
mojicianWe need to get G an SSI badge or something.2 months 1 day ago
mojicianAwesome! This is shaping up to be a fun year.2 months 1 day ago
Gordon GrossHere's a slo-mo video of Montero in action this past season. It would indeed be interesting to see how much different he could be in 2015. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n5AfHYST6E2 months 1 day ago
Bat571Better yet, one of those Casio slo-mo cameras so that we call all understand Doc's analysis of balance and motion. I'd be especially interested in Montero's running and batting! If he's spent all winter working on his athleticism and has lost 35#, I'm curious if the result is promising.2 months 1 day ago
Gordon GrossIf you wanna pitch in for said high Def camea, moj, I'll see what I can do. ;) trying to get down to Arizona for Spring Training this year. Of course it's the year Lonnie ISN'T going...2 months 1 day ago
mojicianAlso, the Spring training scout should have a continuous streaming web cam going, and a tripod and hi def camera for the end of day video clips.2 months 1 day ago
mojicianThings I want at DOV 2: 1. Power points with embedded audio. Is it a podcast? Is it a post? Is it a presentation? Who knows? It'll be something; 2. A Youtube channel; 3. Comet tailed parabolas tracking the baseball in all analysis videos (Can you put that in the audio powerpoint?); Pictures, MP4 video or audio and hyperlinks in the shoutbox; 4. An SSI Spring training scout with daily assignments we vote on; 5. A field FX subscription included with membership; 6. Some wind tunnel experiments involving baseballs; 7. Other cool stuff.2 months 1 day ago
jemanjiQuick update: D-O-V 2 is still percolatin' … Ben and I (and y'all) have been busy thru the holiday … we want to be up and full steam by the time Spring Training hits, is all. Try and do the audio shtick, Matt's and Spec's and Gordon's stuff, etc, orbiting SSI. Should be fun this year. Cheers, Jeff2 months 1 day ago
rick82I wanna see Montero minus the 35 pounds, according to Z.2 months 3 days ago
SABR MattIndeed...i wanna see some baseball now.2 months 3 days ago
mojicianYeah, the 2015 Mariners look good on paper but they'll look much better on T.V.2 months 3 days ago
SABR MattGetting tired of the rumor season...can baseball just start?2 months 3 days ago
SABR MattYep...I love the idea of Ackley being a 300 AB super sub...it's unlikely that the mariners would do that, unfortunately2 months 3 days ago
mojicianAckley can play multiple positions, including left, 2b and 1b. He is very fast, and some months he is a very good hitter. Plus he has breakout potential. All of that makes him a fairly valuable bench guy. I like him as the new Bloomquist.2 months 3 days ago
rick82Drago, That may be the smart thing to do, but if Ackley can't be counted on to hit left handers, he's gone in my book. The M's, and particularly Lloyd, seem pretty committed to playing Ackley regularly. Well, unless they are trying to ease him into soft landings to build his confidence or something, but it seems pretty late for that. Ackley will probably be handed Smoak's leash this spring.2 months 3 days ago
John PierceI would like Zobrist, too, Matt. Unless, either, Miller or Taylor is sent down, we have one opening left, as far as position players are concerned. The Ms seem to want Cruz playing RF 25% of the time. With Smith taking up 60-65% out there, I suspect Ruggs will fill in for Ackley against LH pitching and Cruz doing the same thing with Smith in RF. Plus Ruggs can play CF in a pinch. Zobrist would be the perfect player to round out the lineup, especially if Bloomquist isn&#039;t ready to came back.2 months 4 days ago
jemanjiDunno if it's greedy Matt -- Zduriencik is still talking as though he's got irons in the fire, both minor and major, though is not too optimistic about either -2 months 4 days ago
SABR MattI'm greedy...i still want Zobrist2 months 4 days ago
DragoMethinks Ackley may be the one platooning with Ruggiano, rather than Smith... Ackley in 2014 vs LHP: .212/.255/.298 Ackley in 2014 vs RHP: .259/.310/.442 Smith in 2014 vs LHP: .240/.424/.320 Smith in 2014 vs RHP: .270/ .359/.455 Obviously Ackely has more long-term upside but Smith has been a better hitter. Period.2 months 4 days ago
rick82The MLB GMs know Ackley can play second base. I don't think his trade value would be any higher than it is now, unless you think maybe playing second would have perked up his bat. But there's no reason to think that.2 months 4 days ago
misterjonezSure, Maurer still had upside as a BOR arm, so losing him isn't exactly nothing. But on this team, he's as fungible as a player can get. I'm not thrilled about Seth Smith, by any stretch of the imagination, but he's a solid contributor who will help the team in the OF. There just aren't any internal options for which the same can be said. Brad Miller isn't exactly a lock to outproduce Smith in '15, and I'd much rather have him manning SS than sloughing him into the OF like they did with Ackley. If they had kept Ackley as a 2B, he would have tremendous trade value - potentially enough to be the centerpiece of a blockbuster trade, like for Tulowitzki. I don't want to see the same happen to Miller if it can be avoided.2 months 4 days ago
GLSI would have preferred giving up a different bullpen arm. Medina comes to mind.2 months 4 days ago
SABR MattWould love to swap Ackley for Zobrist. Don't think the rays would so that though without a pitcher in the deal as well2 months 4 days ago
SABR MattGLS...you gotta be kidding me. Why do we need eleven right handed relievers? And you would really be happy having SS manned full time by Chris Taylor?2 months 4 days ago
GrumpyWould the Rays do Zobrist for Ackley?2 months 4 days ago
rick82What we have now is a platoon that has proven in ML at bats it can produce a .800 OPS. That's not easy to find: last season we had one. This season, we add Cruz to Cano and the platoon makes 3. With a lineup that will now offer .800 OPSes in 3 of the nine positions, and Seager besides, breakouts by Miller or Ackley would be gravy instead of essential, but even if not, we're looking at 2+ WAR each. Yeah, I'll trade two bullpen arms sitting rather deep in the depth charts for an .800 hitter.2 months 4 days ago
TaroLineup looks good now, although OF D a bit shaky. If the Ms added Zobrist they'd be scary.2 months 4 days ago
GLSDon't like it. Would have much rather gone with the Miller-to-the-outfield plan than give up Maurer.2 months 4 days ago
rick82In fact, after Petco, he'll think he's in Yankee Stadium.2 months 4 days ago
IcebreakerXThe M's basically saved probably 4 million on this deal against the players available on the market. If you're an optimist, you say, "yay, extra cash". If you're a Mariners fan, you say, "extra wallet lining for Howie & friends that we'll never see on the field".2 months 4 days ago
rick82I like that Smith hit well in Petco, and Oakland before that. He won't be intimidated by Safeco field.2 months 4 days ago
SpectatorSmith and Saunders actually very comparable in 2014. Biggest difference was Plate Appearances. Smith had 250 more.2 months 4 days ago
benihanaSmith's contract is extremely reasonable. M's still gonna have money to add a big mid-season splash for the pennant drive.2 months 4 days ago
rick82We don't need exciting in RF, but what we'll get is .800 OPS. For excitement, we have Cano, Seager,Cruz, Miller, some Zumball, and a splash of Ackley when he's on his 1-2 month tear. Nice thing is that Smith and Ruggiano will get on base for the mashers, and do some decent mashing themselves, especially Ruggiano. But Smith will provide some power as well.2 months 4 days ago
TaroEvidence to suggest lasik has been good to Smith: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-eyes-have-it-seth-smiths-laser-show/2 months 4 days ago
benihanaExactly Spec. Moved the dial away from potential and consolidated talent. The M's are better positioned to win next year with Happ and Smith. I personally don't love Smith, he's a corner outfielder who doesn't play good defense, but it's pretty clear that Smith / Ruggiano platoon is a major upgrade of another of 2014's black-holes.2 months 4 days ago
TaroSmith can really hit righties, can play a mediocre LF/RF, can probably learn to play 1B, and hes signed up for two years plus a cheap option. Maurer was my favorite young bullpen arm, but I like this deal. Fills a HUGE need.2 months 4 days ago
SpectatorAt the end of the day, we traded Maurer for Happ and Saunders for Smith. An upgrade in consistency and reliability I guess, but not very exciting when you look at it that way.2 months 4 days ago
SpectatorOn to Smith: signed for '15 at $6.0M; and '16 at $6.75M, with option for '17 at $7.0M. Career slash vs. RHP .277/.358/.481.2 months 4 days ago
SpectatorContinuing down that bunny trail: Even with Maurer and with Josh Fields having a semi-renaissance in Houston, the 2008 draft has -1.8 WAR (b-ref) and the 2009 draft has +21.6.2 months 4 days ago
IcebreakerXHave never been a fan of trading for meh OFs when other OFs can be overpaid for.2 months 4 days ago
SpectatorSo while I was typing now zero Bavasi draftees left.2 months 4 days ago
benihanaOne of our big four, who rocketed past the other big three to reach the majors only to flame-out dramatically before reestablishing himself as a bullpen maestro... sad to see him go for a platoon bat. Seth Smith it is I guess. Roster gotta be darn near finalized.2 months 4 days ago
rick82Seth Smith a Mariner. Did not see that coming. for Mauer. That is a great deal.2 months 4 days ago
SpectatorAlthough Maurer is actually part of the "last bad draft" (2008) and, I think the only Bavasi draftee left in the organization now that Saunders is gone (except maybe Nate Tenbrink).2 months 4 days ago
rick82jerry crasnick says Smith for Maurer is a done deal on twitter2 months 4 days ago
benihanaJerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick "Seth Smith for Brandon Maurer deal is done, source says."2 months 4 days ago
SpectatorHard-throwing righties are currency, and Jack & Mac have a printing press in the basement! Capps, Pryor, Kohlscheen and Brazis already used in trades, and hardly making a dent.2 months 4 days ago
GrumpyYeah... But Mauer has the starting repertoire and recent history of starting. Just sayin I'd prefer a different "power arm" in the trade. Still it would be nice to have a complete team. Not sure I wouldn't just prefer signing Aoki though.2 months 5 days ago
Tacoma RainAs can Rollins2 months 5 days ago
SABR MattAs can Furbush2 months 5 days ago
SABR MattAnd Wilhelmson can start2 months 5 days ago
SABR MattGrumpy...we're plenty deep in the rotation. Still have Huiltzen behind the front six2 months 5 days ago
SABR MattRollins should be behind Olmos..2 months 5 days ago
Tacoma RainRule 5 guy Rollins should be in there Matt2 months 5 days ago
GrumpyWell, also let's not forget that Mauer can be a starter in a pinch as well. We still aren't super deep at starting pitcher. Definitely a reason to try and get them to go for a different reliever. That said it certainly helps complete the offense for sure. Should make for a really exciting year!2 months 5 days ago
SABR MattThe bullpen pecking order now is Rodney/Farquhar/Medina/Furbush/Wilhelmson/Leone/Smith/Ilmos2 months 5 days ago
MtGrizzlyI hate to lose Maurer but RH power reliever is an area of ridiculous depth for this club.2 months 5 days ago
Gordon GrossBut yes, I'd rather part with Medina too. *laughs*2 months 5 days ago
Gordon GrossI'd prefer not Maurer, but I'd trade them Maurer over some other system pieces, and it's preferable to not getting Smith or any other lefty bat. Juse wrap it up. :)2 months 5 days ago
SABR MattActually, I was thinking this might cut into Ackley's playing time...Smith hits lefties better than Ackley has historically2 months 5 days ago
SABR MattLOL...yeah I'd rather dump Medina too, but Maurer is expendable...and we have two guys right behind him2 months 5 days ago
mojicianGuys who this move helps: Dominic Leone, Carson Smith. Guys who this move hurts: Willie Bloomquist, James Jones. As the Mariners acquire a real outfielder, look for McClendon to expand the playing time of "very streaky hitter" Dustin Ackley by plugging him into the supersub role to "ride the hot streaks" as it were.2 months 5 days ago
rick82Oh, C'mon Padres. You KNOW you want Medina. Proven right handed setup man. C'mon. don't let us sucker you with Maurer, failed starter.2 months 5 days ago
SABR MattAt the cost of Brandon Maurer...this isn't even a tough question. Smith for Maurer is a great move for this club...and the Ruggiano/Smith platoon is satisfying enough. Finish it in style, Z2 months 5 days ago
mojicianBruce Buffer Style: And in right field, weighing in at 210 lbs, the lefty who hits well at Petco CHAMPION OF THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRLLLD, SEEEEETH SMITH!2 months 5 days ago
mojicianHerald Angel style: And his name will be Seth Smith, and he will be called the final puzzle piece.2 months 5 days ago
rick82Or, would supersub be Frankin's job over there.2 months 5 days ago
rick82Funny, I was wondering just yesterday if AsCab could play right field. Maybe the Rays think he can?2 months 5 days ago
benihanaAsCab to Rays. Zobrist available. Get 'er done. 5 WAR plus positional flexibility on a one year deal is exactly what I want.2 months 5 days ago
rick82Still looking for that big trade. It may not happen until teams watch Hultzen in Spring Training.2 months 5 days ago
GrumpyIt seems like such an obvious move to sign Aoki. Maybe he's just refusing to taking a part-time role at this point?2 months 5 days ago
mojicianSorry to hear it Matt. Famity drama is bad. But not as bad as wife drama.2 months 5 days ago
SABR MattIt would be nice if I didn't immediately have to go to a wedding right after I move, deal with severe family strife, and finally see my family for the first time in a year. Sigh...still no time for me.2 months 5 days ago
mojicianAs an SSI aficionado, I highly recommend the SSI Christmas blend, vintage December 19-27, 2014. A full bodied and satisfying blog rich in nuttiness, this selection is bursting with cheer, coupled with hints of sublime absurdity and the ever present aroma of good natured bull shtick. This is a particularly fine achievement by the SSI vintners, as Mariners shtick is out of season in December, and the connoisseur ordinarily has to settle for canned fare.2 months 5 days ago
SABR MattPrecisely, taro.2 months 5 days ago
TaroGriz, mentioned that earlier this offseason. Ms actually have had a slightly below-average payroll despite having the advantages many of the high payroll teams have. Its the main reason the incomplete roster is so frustrating. There is an obvious hole on this roster and you have the money. Fill it.2 months 6 days ago
MtGrizzlyBaker with an interesting article about the M's payroll: http://seattletimes.com/html/mariners/2025335962_bakercolumn29xml.html2 months 6 days ago
TaroYa, if anything I think hes a bit underrated since hes being scored as a below-average defender in the OF (mostly due to horrific stint in CF). Speedy guy with poor routes and an accurate arm. Overall, above-average in RF. The lack of any kind of power, and age, is probably depressing his market.2 months 6 days ago
IcebreakerXAoki's a safe bet compared to Figgins. Figgins value was from empty walks and no power. Aoki's value is mostly from his contact and his strike zone control.2 months 6 days ago
TaroIf hes available, Reddick would be a great fit. Beane seems to be unloading guys that are getting even marginally expensive. Great glove, extreme pull hitter, some pop, low AVG, pretty massive career RH/LH splits. Glove fits great in our park, he can cover CF, and his swing is a great fit as well. Would probably be a 3 WAR player as a platoon bat in Safeco.2 months 6 days ago
TaroSure, but hes been a 2-3 WAR OF and his market is about as strong as Cruz's last year. Potentially great value, and fills a massive need.2 months 6 days ago
rick82Actually, I'd prefer we work out a deal with Boston to see if we can pry Nava away. Erasmo, maybe?2 months 6 days ago
rick82If Beane is dealing/reloading, I'd be tempted to package something together to pry away Josh Reddick. Hmmm....Choi, Erasmo - but he'd probably want Kivlehan. I'd think about that one. Get creative, maybe do it if we can get Jaso back in the deal.2 months 6 days ago
rick82Regarding Aoki, I'm a tad nervous because he looks a lot like Chone Figgins, and is right at that age.2 months 6 days ago
SABR MattAgreed taro2 months 6 days ago
TaroJust sign Aoki. We can't be playing Jones in RF and we need SOME kind of insurance for underperformance or injury.2 months 6 days ago
bsrNo more maybe washed up slugger dice rolls...please! Jack has shown zero ability to pick these guys out. Stick to what we're more successful at - play the kids, sign another big fish, or toss more smaller $ spaghetti at the wall.2 months 6 days ago
Gordon GrossAt that point we might as well go big for somebody like Cargo, who at least might have some good years left in him.2 months 6 days ago
Gordon GrossDepends how much faith you put in a small sample and a bad BABIP. Dude barely cleared .200 in his BABIP against lefties, but is hitting righties at only around a .670 OPS the last two years combined. His entire difference in OPS+ from 2013 (115) to 2014 (hahaha) was because he destroyed lefties in 2013 and was killed by them and the BABIP monster in 2014. If you think that bounces back, then you can add him - but again, he looks like he's getting pretty bad against righties. As a 1B/OF bat he could suffice - but at 10 mil a year (assuming Cleveland eats 5 mil each season) that's still a pretty steep bet. Especially if he's contracted Jason Bay Disease. If we're gonna pay prospects, I'd like a different kind of bet than the ones we've been losing these last several years. Betting on aging rebound years has not been our strong suit.2 months 6 days ago
SABR MattAll of it.2 months 6 days ago
Tacoma RainSportswriter Cafardo says Indians looking to trade / dump Nick Swisher. Indians would eat some of $30M owed over next two years. How much does Cleveland need to eat in salary for you to be interested?2 months 6 days ago
SABR MattArizona deploys maximum chokage as the Hawks clinch the division and home field advantage. Mwahahahahaaaa2 months 6 days ago
SABR MattI'm particularly looking forward to elo analysis...I have thought for several years that it may be the key to player by player strength of opposition analysis2 months 1 week ago
TaroMatt, looking forward to those projects.. Best wishes to your Mom. :-)2 months 1 week ago
SABR MattChomping...not chimping...that would be what Dr. D does. :-)2 months 1 week ago
SABR MattReally chimpi.g at the bit now to do some baseball research in the new year...have three major projects to work on. Weather effects, elo ratings and a model for the off-season free agent period to better predict costs2 months 1 week ago
SABR MattThanks for the kind words guys. It's not all bad...I have a wonderful wife who is now keeping us afloat financially and keeping me grounded. I'm going to see my family in a couple of days, thank God...haven't seen them in a year. And my mom starts physical therapy in January so I'm hoping she recovers in time to save her psyche. All of your prayers are welcome though and sincerely appreciated. Stressful times we live in!2 months 1 week ago
DaddyOThat's tough, Matt. We went through some pretty hard times with both mine and my wife's moms in their latter years, and it's very hard when you combine physical health problems to the kinds of mental/spiritual/attitude problems that can creep in when people get a little older. Pile on the other stuff you mention, each one hard in itself and it can become downright debilitating, at a time when I'm sure you can't afford to be...debilitated. Praying for you, Matt.2 months 1 week ago
jemanjiYa, Matt, sure hope that you're able to find some solace in the coming week. In the meantime, may I suggest thanks-journaling as a helpful antidote. Won't turn the world into Candyland but it's better than Advil :- ) … best wishes for your Mom.2 months 1 week ago
misterjonezI can sympathize, Matt, although obviously not on specific issues. This was probably my least favorite Christmas in the last decade and a half, but them's just the breaks. Makes me appreciate the good ones all the more when they do come around.2 months 1 week ago
SABR MattIt's a combination of things...my mother took ill with a severe infection in her knee that destroyed all of the connective tissue, and she has been worryingly depressed from the lack of mobility, my wife's family is having all kinds of problems, I've been living far away from family and didn't get to see then on Christmas like I'm used to, still don't know what I'm going to do for a living now that I've moved east again, etc. I'm sure things will work themselves out, but this week was hard.2 months 1 week ago
DaddyOMerry Christmas to all, take care Matty. Hope whatever it is straightens out, or you are able to bend with it.2 months 1 week ago
moethedogGodspeed through the rough patches, Matt.2 months 1 week ago
SABR MattMerry Christmas ssi faithful...been a highly emotional rollercoaster for me the last few days...I hope you've fared better in your journeys.2 months 1 week ago
rick82Opened up my iPad on Christmas Day to two Doc posts! Merry Christmas, SSI!2 months 1 week ago
IcebreakerXMerry Christmas!2 months 1 week ago
moethedogMerry Christmas to all you guys. Everybody call Matt right now, since he is our resident weather guru, and ask him to dial up a White Christmas for us all.2 months 1 week ago
PlawsableMerry Christmas to you all. Santa&#039;s got a brand new bat (We hope)2 months 1 week ago
Bat571It doesn't appear to me that teams trading older players with a single year left on a pricey contract are getting super-premium prospect in return -- top-ten for the team, yes, but not the equvalents to D.J. and certainly not Taijuan's equal (Andrew Heaney was about the closest in ANY trade). For a rebuilding team the Ms would seem to have some pretty nice chips without having to gut the system or trade the top 1 or 2. And if they took on all Zobrist's contract, which is pretty fair, they'd certainly help out the Rays' fiscals.2 months 1 week ago
mojicianMerry Christmas SSI!2 months 1 week ago
Bat571Merry Christmas to One and All and God Bless Us Every One!2 months 1 week ago
Bat571If the Rays truly are taking a year to reload, perhaps Guerrero and Marte might be of enough interest to be the start of a package for Zobrist. Then maybe Sanchez or Diaz, plus Erasmo? Marlette and several others could be of interest to a team not looking at 2015, but at 2016 and beyond. And the Rays have taken quantity before - would they now? Or would they demand Taijuan or D.J. to start any discussion?2 months 1 week ago
TaroMerry christmas!2 months 1 week ago
misterjonezMerry Christmas everyone :)2 months 1 week ago
BilboThat said, I believe Zobrist would be the perfect player to round out this roster and make Seattle a favorite to win it all. Rumblings today from Morosi that the Rays will trade Zobrist before Spring Training but I imagine the cost will be prohibitive given his value and ability to fill so many positions. http://t.co/588h5wfoOJ2 months 1 week ago
GrumpyI know I posted this last year, but I never tire of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE Merry Christmas, everyone!2 months 1 week ago
BilboAt this point, the OF is probably Ackley, Jackson, Miller against RHP and Ruggiano, Jackson, Cruz against LHP (with Montero at DH?). Ruggs would also serve as the 4th OF giving days off to Jackson as well. Short of getting a legit OFer at a reasonable cost, this could be a formidable OF/DH combo and certainly puts Seattle in a position of non-desperation while they wait for the reinforcements to arrive (Kivlehan/DJ followed by AJax/Wilson in a couple years)2 months 1 week ago
benihanaReally enjoyed this article at LL about the guy who I think is the M's starting RF: http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2014/12/23/7443675/brad-miller-hypothetical-outfielder2 months 1 week ago
GrumpyFor me, is avoiding a potential black hole is just as important as a big add. Maybe more important. Aoki would be cheap, not block anyone, and provide insurance at many positions: LF, RF, CF (allowing Ackley or Ruggs to take reps there if needed), SS ( by allowing Miller to play SS if Taylor struggles), keeping Cruz at DH more, and keeping LoMo at 1B more. Also good OBP at the top of the order. Don't know if he'd agree to sign up for that kind of a role though... That may be the sticking point.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaMerry Christmas to you as well Daddy0!2 months 1 week ago
rick82I would say, Daddy-O, there is a time when they Mariners had the most talent in the league and indeed went all out, putting all the finishing touches on a team to win it all: 1997. We traded away a big chunk of out youth to get a #2, Jeff Fassero, and a bullpen. It cost us Jose Cruz Jr., Derrick Lowe and Jason Varitek. We signed free agents Jamie Moyer and Paul Sorrento. We were very busy, went for it all, we really did. The team was solid top to bottom that postseason. The Spoljaric/Timlin trade looked pretty smart, and Slocumb was the best we could get. A first round exit was the result, a postseason nobody around here remembers or cares much for. Two bad seasons followed. I know the "window" is short, but it's a crapshoot all the same and going for it all can have repercussions down the road that will make you wonder if it was really worth it.2 months 1 week ago
DaddyOOne more thing beni...Merry Christmas!2 months 1 week ago
DaddyOSure, and I can see why many think the M's are on the verge of exorcising the demons that have plagued their existence. If and when they do, I will congratulate them, along with anyone who is proven right by events, which is the best test of all opinion.2 months 1 week ago
DaddyOHey look, beni, I'm content that we just disagree. I just don't want my argument reduced to a caricature of what it really is. The long history of the M's doesn't necessarily DEMAND skepticism, but surely it ALLOWS that it is a reasonable opinion. At least, you know, until they start actually making the playoffs, winning 90 games most seasons, and, you know, actually join the list of the vast majority of teams that have made it to the World Series (only the M's and the Expos/Nationals haven't)..2 months 1 week ago
DaddyOAgain, the M's have taken steps to put themselves on the edge of excellence. The signings you mention point to that, as well as the need to some drastic damage control to their plummeting reputation after a decade of irrelevance. IMO, which not all will share but some do, by failing to secure a bona fide right fielder they are needlessly jeopardizing a special opportunity to actually achieve excellence.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaYeah DaddyO I can grok that argument. I just think the M's see this as a "4 or 5 or 8" year window. And I think challenging their commitment to winning because they aren't going all in for this year doesnt jive with the facts.2 months 1 week ago
DaddyOThe real argument is whether, as Taro suggests, the M's have a window of opportunity to do something special that doesn't come around all that often, and whether the current situation warrants taking the best steps to give you the best chance to take advantage of that window right now.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaAnd challenging the commitment of an organization that has signed huge deals to Felix, Cano, Seager, and now Cruz and has been in on every marquee free agent bat this offseason makes me think of battered fan syndrome :)2 months 1 week ago
benihanaIt's your opinion that they need a right fielder, one that I clearly don't share. Right Field is your personal bar. A bar that is constantly moving around these parts.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaI'd give Kevin Mather a listen, and a chance: http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2014/12/23/7439447/closing-in-on-a-year-at-the-helm-mariners-president-kevin-mather2 months 1 week ago
DaddyOAnd I salute you, sir, for your opinion. You word your characterization of my opinion in a way that I would not. I say the M's are showing a lack of will IF they do not go into the season with what a bona fide (by that I mean one with some proven track record) right fielder when it is readily within their means and their grasp to do so. They may yet do so, or they may not. Your wording of my characterization is a straw man rendering of my argument, one which sets it up for you to say I am accusing them of being cheap, and also sets it up for you as if I am holding myself up as the authority on what constitutes a bona fide right fielder. Neither of these is true. It is not a simple matter of cheapness. It is a matter of will. It is not a matter of my personal bar for a bona fide RF'er. I am perfectly willing to submit that definition to general consensus.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaYou are saying that if the M's don't get a right fielder to your liking than they are cheap. That's a bias I don't think is deserved or accurate.2 months 1 week ago
PlawsableBeni +5 for all that. C-points and recs or whatever. Everything I was thinking of saying as I read all that you did and then some. I&#039;d forgotten about Martin. The window idea doesn&#039;t really make sense when one of the 2 guys people are basing it on is 28, the other is 31 and the rest of the roster (sans Cruz, Ruggiano 34, Bloomie 36, Iwakuma 33, Rodney 37 and Wilhelmsen 30) are younger than Felix. Zunino, Morrison, Miller, Taylor, Seager, Ackley, Jackson, Paxton, Walker, Elias, Maurer, Farquhar, Leone, Smith, Luetge, Ramirez... and on into reinforcements from the minors are all younger than 28 year old Felix. So we&#039;re talking about a DH, starter (got more close) a closer (many internal options) and a couple bench guys older than Canos 31 years. What window closing? Has closing switched meanings with opening?2 months 1 week ago
DaddyONobody is saying that in order to win you have to spend $200 million. That's a straw man, and along with pointing to the Bavasi years it is the auto-responder to anyone who challenges the commitment of this franchise. The St. Louis Cardinals are committed to excelling, and they don't spend $200 million. No one is calling for that. I am saying that the M's are content to get to the edge excellence but not to the achievement of it. That's a completely different argument. The long history of this franchise is replete with examples of the Seattle Mariners failing to put the finishing touches on teams that have a real chance to be the best. And usually it involves an amount of money that reeks of penny wisdom and pound foolishness. The M's may yet solve the RF problem. If they don't, this will be another example.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaThe M's are committed to being a winner. 90 wins every year. Win forever. Pete Carroll style. $250 million didn't buy the Dodger's a championship. Nor did $200 million buy the Yankess a spot in the postseason. Boston's big salary was all for not. Same with the Phillies. The M's window will be open for much much longer if we continue to build from the draft and don't lock down roster spots with overpriced and underperforming vets who cost young talent to get. I'm all for going for it, just be really sure to get a star, not a civic.2 months 1 week ago
John PierceIf the Ms were high bidders on those guys, then I think they would have no problem going to $130+ million for the right player.2 months 1 week ago
bsrThanks Taro. I expect another ~$10M to be added before the season starts. Ala Rodney last year which happened in early Feb. No way they stand pat at $115M.2 months 1 week ago
TaroWe haven't had a high payroll since the Bavasi days. And yes, I agree I never want to see those days again. That said, if you aren't committed to a winner now, when will you ever be? The window is NOW. Ms will choose whether they capitalize on it or not.2 months 1 week ago
bsrGLS - great point about the Hawks and Russell Wilson. If they hadn't lucked* into getting Wilson, we have a pretty good idea of what they'd be...a not quite as good version of the 49ers. I'm sure with all the other talent on board, that they'd have found a Kaepernick-level QB to slot in. But until all the devastating injuries/criminal behavior this year, the Niners had more talent outside of QB than the Hawks. Wilson is absolutely the difference. (Even w/o Wilson though, the Hawks would be better than any AFC team.)2 months 1 week ago
TaroThe average payroll in 2014 was $121M. The Ms were at $109M. Going into 2015 we'll be paying roughly $115M if we make no other additions.2 months 1 week ago
bsrStill not sure how we whiffed on Upton though, he seemed like the perfect final puzzle piece to cap off a strong push in 2015. With that said, it also seems evident that the M's place a high value on giving MLB playing time to their prospects. I think it's what Mather means when he says they "won't sell their soul" for short term imports...it's not the money they're concerned about, but the lost opportunity to develop and evaluate young talent with irreplaceable MLB reps. We can certainly debate the merits of any individual decision, but it does seem like a coherent overall strategy to me.2 months 1 week ago
bsrbeni - good point about the M's bidding on VMart/Martin/Melky. I don't follow these things that closely, didn't realize we were top bidder on all three. It seems likely the M's will always need to overpay FA hitters to get them interested in taking the risk of playing in Safeco. Other than changing the fences/roof policies, nothing we can do about that. Another very good reason to focus on internal development.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaI think Bill Bavasi and Matt Millen of the Lions are dead-locked in the worst General Manager of ALL TIME battle. I don't think it's possible to over-state how poorly Bavasi left this organization. Just crippling.2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossSpeaking of the Zduriencik plan - I may have to examine the fortunes and future of the Brewers and their farm and compare it to the Mariners. Short version: they're gonna need to luck out with arms or glove dudes, while we are still stocked to the rafters even with our company of promotions. The question with Jack was always whether we were gonna be patient enough to wait the half-decade for the reinforcements, since Bavasi left us with almost nothing. But Jack made it, and every extra year he's here is another year that we get to keep adding major league talents to the farm. He just needs to be good enough on the Free Agent and Trade sides of his job to allow the Young Talent Evaluator to do his thing.2 months 1 week ago
rick82You make a lot of good points, Beni. If someone had told me in the early 90's that the team leaving Seattle would be the Sonics, I would not have believed them. If you are going to be a cautious team, then, I suppose, be a cautious team in the right manner. I'd have to say the Mariners are gotten pretty good at that. I suppose that sounds like damning with faint praise, but I'm pretty happy right now with where this franchise has placed itself at this point in time, and it wasn't due to luck and extreme good fortune like it was in 1995. It was planned and executed the day they brought in Zduriencik. It could have gone a lot worse. It also could have gone better. But we're in a very good place right now.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaI'd also point out that the M's were the reported high bidders on V-mart, Russel Martin and likely Melky Cabrerra. They chose to stay put or go elsewhere for reasons other than the M's ownership's willingness to compete.2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossThe Ms are working towards a top-10ish payroll again, now that finances are corrected. You should be able to win with a top-10 payroll. Certainly a division banner, maybe a pennant, and possibly a title. The Mets and Cubs are too inept to do it, but if you draft even a BIT and don't blow your free agent money on suckers, we should be there going forward. The Ms and their fear of cutthroat competition in favor of the bottom line annoys me, but if you have twice the resources of Beane or Yost or whoever is managing the Rays, you should be able to beat him. If you can't, maybe you shouldn't have the job. First step to winning is showing up, and at least we're finally gonna do that again. Then we'll see.2 months 1 week ago
GLSI'm more than willing to criticize M's management and front office, but I'm not sure how useful it is to compare them to the Seahawks. The dynamics of team building in football are very different. In particular, players on long-term deals get cut when they aren't producing at the same level anymore. And there's no true equivalent to the minor leagues. I know there is some sort of a D-league in football, but it doesn't have the same level of significance in that sport as it does in baseball. Also, where would the Seahawks be right now if they hadn't lucked out on Russell Wilson in the third round?2 months 1 week ago
benihanaI'm very impressed that M's ownership has stuck with GMZ and the plan. This organization was destroyed by Bill Bavasi who had more freedom and resources. Ownership was rightly hesitant. There needs to be checks and balances so we don't go making Bedard, Broussard and Perez type moves. Wanting desperately to win at all costs is what cost us the past decade. Now is NOT the time to bring it back.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaYou can dislike the M's ownership all you want. But they were willing to make KGjr the highest paid player ever, same with AROD, they signed Ichiro to a contract that would 'take down the sport', they made Felix the highest paid pitcher ever. They helped fund and operate a tremendous stadium that they continue to invest and make improvements on. They are willing to spend, they've carried very high payrolls, they've been very, very active in FA the past several seasons.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaA's went from 1931 to 1971 without a good team. They were bad from 1993-2000. They wasted their opportunity with their big three. They were thoroughly mediocre again in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, & 2011. They wasted their most recent opportunity. They play in a literally crappy stadium. Watch they will be bad again now for 4-5 years and waste their next window too. They play in the 6th largest media market in the US. Over the last 15 seasons they have the 4th lowest payroll.2 months 1 week ago
bsrDaddyO - great posts on the M's culture, though I think "soul-sickness" is a little strong :) I think they remain as always a somewhat rudderless organization with no real owner willing/able to take big risks, and as a result they make a lot of "safe" decisions. Even the big outlays are pretty safe bets - Felix/Cano/Seager, signing Cruz after he'd proven himself not before, etc. I am sure that Lincoln/Mather et al are self-aware enough to realize this and they probably decided that their best strategy given the situation, is to win via the draft and development (which Z is sustainably good at). And it nicely dovetails into their "proud" self-image of doing things the "Mariners way". I think that's sensible, however I do want to see them spend the "safe" money they have on hand - which I don't think they have exhausted this offseason yet but someone needs to run the numbers.2 months 1 week ago
bsrDoes anyone know roughly where 2015 payroll stands with the current roster? Including full 40 man, amortized signing bonuses etc etc.2 months 1 week ago
moethedogGreat shout, Gordon.2 months 1 week ago
TaroAges of core highest paid players in 2015: Felix (29), Cano (32), Seager (27), Cruz (35). We need to capitalize now while these guys are in their primes. I say we have a good 2-3 year window and then we will need to either retool or rebuild depending on how the rest of the team develops.2 months 1 week ago
TaroIn 2017 we have $76M tied to four players, and then $84M in 2018. All will be well into their 30s either than Seager. That pretty much only leaves money to lock up your own guys and fill in the holes. Meaning we need cheap regulars all around and we MUST have success from our farm either through direct production or by trading for cost-controlled players to maintain success. Its possible, but not likely. Our strongest contending window is RIGHT NOW. If you don't buy in now, when?2 months 1 week ago
TaroMs have a history of maintaining a mid-range payroll, and with 60-70% of the payroll locked up in 3 players for the next several years we've basically committed to our core team and will have money to maintain the current core plus whatever the farm produces. We're locked in. Love the Seager deal, but he would have been a lot sweeter at 30-40% of the price, which is what he would have costed two years ago. If its Tampa, they would have never sat on him this long. Got to identify the core early and lock it up.2 months 1 week ago
TaroDaddyO, exactly what I feared after the Cruz signing. Were they going to back it up? History tells us they weren't so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Same feeling I had last year after the Cano deal. They failed to make the follow-up moves. The team feels incomplete.2 months 1 week ago
DaddyOTo me this is not an argument about a particular signing, a particular (high) payroll budget, anything like that. It is an organizational soul-sickness that has manifested itself repeatedly in the history of this franchise. It is as if they have the drive to go so far...and then no more, a compulsive hesitancy to go from the edge of greatness to greatness. This is all very subjective, I know. But one can't help but notice this behavior repeated over the life of this franchise.2 months 1 week ago
DaddyObeni, at least A's fans haven't gone decades between good teams. And I'm not so sure about the "so two years ago" assertion. I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure that the current push to restore competitiveness doesn't in the end suffer from the same sickness that sunk the Piniella years. If so, it will eventually sink the Zduriencik years.2 months 1 week ago
DaddyOThe M's have their priorities bass ackwards. Think the Seahawks are making money hand over fist? You BET! Think things are tidy in Seahawks land? No way. They set a goal, the brought in the guys to get it done, then handed them the reins to get it done. Nothing, NOTHING will stand in the way of them pursuing football championships.2 months 1 week ago
DaddyOOne can't help but get the feeling the M's are a highly conflicted organization, with multiple unresolved aspirations fighting to express themselves in the context of a committee that subsumes and boxes in all expression. We want to win now, but we want to contend always, but we want to stay within strict financial guidelines. We want to build through the farm (mostly to keep payroll reasonable, but also because we believe in it), but sometimes we need to swallow hard and sign expensive free agents (because building through the farm doesn't always work well), but we don't wan't to get stuck with fat, unproductive contracts). Etc., etc. It strikes me that part of this is due to an ethos of avoidance rather than an ethos of pursuit, at least when it comes to the baseball side of things.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaHow'd y'all like to be an A's fan? The M's have re-upped their home grown talent, brought in marquee free agents like Cano and Cruz, and been in on nearly every bat available this winter. Sure, they stuck to their principals and weren't willing to dramatically overpay for Vmart, Russel Martin, Melky, Kemp and Upton - but I think the whining about ownership competing is so two years ago.2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossAnd I agree with CPB - we've got the cash to extend people or add FAs that the Rays do not have. If we're winning and the gate gets huge again, there will be even more cash. Tampa can't match that - Florida is a terrible baseball market. We can extend our own later, and don't have to sell off every guy in his final arb year in order to stay afloat. We just need a steady influx of minors talent to make the contracts palatable for the bigwigs. Jack and Mac are perfect for that. Just need to add the right FAs around the kids.2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossI would like Gattis as well. Keep in mind, though, that this is our internal hitter breakdown for handedness: RIGHT: Peterson (AAA), Kivlehan (AAA), Blash (AAA), Hicks (AAA), Guerrero (AA), Marlette (AA), Henry (AA), Wilson (A+), O'Neill (A+), Jackson (A with a bullet), Morgan (short-season), Brayan Hernandez (short-season). LEFT: Choi (roids), Morban (injuries), Marte (Switch, but close enough), Pizzano (beloved by this blog, unknown elsewhere), Cousino (Low-A center fielder with speed, not power). We're talking about trading Ackley for Gattis, and ditching Miller. There goes two lefties, and leaves basically Jones outside of the Seager/Cano lefty pairing. ALL our good minors hitters are righties save Marte. If you want to build internally, then you kinda need a lefty long-term piece externally.2 months 1 week ago
Cool Papa Bell"If the Ms want to emulate that they needed to extend Seager earlier and they need to extend guys like Zunino, Miller, and Paxton RIGHT now before their prices escalate." No, they don't because the M's have far more money than the Rays. The M's are pefectly capable of competing every year without mimicing the Rays.2 months 1 week ago
moethedogBat: Ackley for Gattis would be wonderful....but we would have to add nice prospects to get that done.2 months 1 week ago
TaroThe Rays are also typically geat great returns for their players prior to losing them to FAs. They're sort of the model of building a consistent contender, but it gets harder without top picks and consistently losing players like cheap Prices and Zobrists.2 months 1 week ago
TaroConsistently contending is difficult. You basically have to do what the Rays do and extend your core as EARLY as possible. The Rays did this with Longoria, Shields, Zobrist, Moore, etc. You lock these guys up for several years at cheap. The are also willing to sell low on high profile prospects if they think its the right move: Young and Myers. If the Ms want to emulate that they needed to extend Seager earlier and they need to extend guys like Zunino, Miller, and Paxton RIGHT now before their prices escalate.2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossDaddyO - I've always said the reason I have been reluctant to fire Jack even when he was struggling to add a single decent free agent is because the only hope the Ms have of really winning a World Series, IMO, is to do it from within. Find a couple of stars internally, and then add a solid plus piece (or two) from within annually. Use the budget to keep the 90s Indians together and hope to win that Game 7. The Ms added Junior, Omar, Gar, Buhner (trade), Randy (also trade) and Tino all within a couple years of each other. Then it took them a few more years to get it together as they added pieces like Blowers and Nelson. A couple years later they tacked on A-Rod. We're gonna have to do that again, pretty much - so all hail the farm, and overcoming the front office reluctance to set their hair on fire and charge down the hill with enough sheer talent that we overwhelm the opposition anyway.2 months 1 week ago
TaroThe thing is the Ms aren't even setup to be consistent contenders with the moves they've made the last two offseason. Felix, Cano, and Cruz are win-now players. We have 2-3 year window.2 months 1 week ago
jemanjiAgreed Daddy-O. Fans can sense the difference between what Carroll and Schneider want, and what the M's shot callers want. "As long as we're top 10" is, to me, is legitimately selling your sports soul. The only thing the a pro sports team SELLS us is an ostensible fight for primacy. … Would the Mariners EVER deliver the experience the Seahawks are currently delivering? That it's not enough even to be the best; we are trying to create a "Mariner Hangover"?2 months 1 week ago
Bat571Also, I wonder if the Ms could get in on a 3-way if the Padres try for Hamels from Philly - the Padres get Hamels, the Ms get Myers + a Padres prospect, and the Padres send a top prospect or 2 to the Phils and the Ms send them Ramirez, Guerrero, and Marte to complete it. The Ms get Myers for ~prospects only.2 months 1 week ago
Bat571Tonight Guti was 0-2 in 3 PAs - was HBP on the 3rd PA and was replaced just after. Hope it was just precautionary, He's got 6 hits so far - 4 2B and 2 HR among them. If he can play enough, I'd really like to see him on the Ms bench - it makes using Cruz in the OF more palatable, because you know Guti can go in if it gets late and close.2 months 1 week ago
Bat571At this point, I hope the Ms trade Ackley for Gattis (the Braves need LH hiittng and a 2B this year that can go to LF if/when Peraza is ready) and then sign Guti to a minors deal and let it all shake out in camp. Let Miller and Guti rotate in the outfield and Gattis rotate between DH and C with Cruz then rotating with Ruggiano and Guti in RF. Yes, a LH hitting OF/1B type would be nice, but flexibility among the bench guys is nicer. Then use the I-5 shuttle to give McClendon the illusion of 13-man pitching staff, even if there are 4 SP / 8 RP OR 5 SP / 7 RP on any given day - and then use 6 SPs and 10 RPs to fill it.2 months 1 week ago
bsrSounds to me more like they don't trust Z to pick the right "Civic" rental players to bring in. He's shown no particular aptitude for it, so it's hard to blame them. They know he's good at the draft, so they're building the strategy around his strengths. At least that's the less cynical interpretation, but I do think it's reasonable.2 months 1 week ago
DaddyOThat sounds a LOT like Howard Lincoln and Chuck Armstrong. Back when we actually were contenders in the Lou Piniella era, serious Mariners fans grew extremely frustrated because management was content to contend but would never add the final pieces to actually go for it all. Ten years of utter non-contention makes us salivate just to be contenders, but it won't take too many years of routine contention before we again clamor for an "in it to win it" approach.2 months 1 week ago
rick82Hey bsr, it sounds like, according to Kevin Mather, we probably didn't match SD's offer for Upton. Here's a snippet from a radio interview he did for Softy on KJR (courtesy of Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times: “Give me 90 wins and I will take my chances every year. We should be going to the playoffs on a regular basis. To go on a 10-year slide where we don’t even sniff the playoffs is unacceptable. But I tried to downplay the year because it been so long. – I said lets play competitive games in September. Because I didn’t want people to overreact to 85 wins or 83 wins. That’s great progress.” “We aren’t going to sell our souls for this year. We want 95-97 wins for the next four or five years.”2 months 1 week ago
bsrI wasn't aware of how terrible Billy Beane has been at drafting recently. From 2009-12, where Z has drafted Seager, Ackley, Franklin, Taijuan, Paxton, Miller, Taylor, Zunino, Leone...Beane has drafted Sonny Gray, AJ Griffin, and...yeah. That's about it for MLB contributors. Plus Mike Zunino lol (in 2009 29th round). Granted some of Z's wins were high picks that Beane never gets a crack at, but still.2 months 1 week ago
bsrThanks Rick. Drayer uses the word "interesting" about a dozen times in that article. I would have substituted some other adjectives.2 months 1 week ago
rick82Want to be a Big League journalist? MLB is looking for a Mariner stringer: details here: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=251312 months 1 week ago
rick82BSR, as of today, Shannon Drayer says we just don't know: http://mynorthwest.com/374/2674348/Why-havent-we-seen-the-Mariners-make-a-big-trade2 months 1 week ago
rick82Typo, LoMo's wRC+ was 110 last season, not 100. I feel better about the 117 prediction, after having corrected that.2 months 1 week ago
bsrHas any Seattle reporter found out why we didn't get Upton? If Seattle had landed him with a package equivalent to the players SD sent out, M's fans would feel like the next 5 Christmases had come all at once. Not a single marquee or remotely MLB ready prospect in the deal. And Atl traded him to another NL team. I just don't get it at all. I would like to hear that he still refuses to come to Seattle or something, to make me feel better.2 months 1 week ago
rick82I don't know how Stanley Steamer calculates these things, but Ackley and LoMo are similar in that they are nearly the same age, both had excellent rookie seasons, and then spent the next three or so seasons on a slow climb back to the heights from which they fell. Ackley's wRC+ went from 117 as a rookie, to 75, 87, and 97 respectively. Steamer says it's gonna be 102 this season. Nothing overly optimistice there. LoMo went from 129 in 2010 to 116 in 2011 and then to 90, 96, and 100 last season, and Steamer predicts 117 this season. Steamer apparently sees continued gradual movement upward in both cases, although LoMo is given a higher projection, probably due to that he started his career higher. Anyway, in both situations, we aren't talking about guys who are moving in the wrong direction, or bouncing around, or both *cough billy butler cough*. We're talking gradual movement to a level they already proved they could do. Taylor....yeah, who knows.2 months 1 week ago
SABR MattAnything short of adding am impact bat top RF is an abject failure foot the mariners.2 months 1 week ago
TaroYeah, I agree with you that theres an argument for keeping your SP.. but young pitching does bust at a much higher rate than young hitting. Looking at Walker in particular, I'm concerned about his motion and injury history. I like his ability, but I wouldn't be afraid of dealing him for the right hitter. Even if we don't go that route, I think we at least need a cheap, value, plug-in vet like Aoki.2 months 1 week ago
TaroI think its precisely because of the fact that we've seen their downsides that we can't be banking on them as reliable assets. In 2012&2013 combined Ackley was worth less than 2 WAR combined and hit for an OPS in mid-600s. From 2011-2013 Morrison was basically RL. Taylor had a K rate over 25% and an ISO of .059 in 2014 as a small MI. These guys are projected by Steamer to be worth 5.5 WAR combined for us next year. Theres upside potential here, but also massive downside that we need to be prepared for IMO.2 months 1 week ago
rick82Good points, Taro. But we must remember that the Mariner mantra is "you can never have too much pitching" and not "you can never have too many exciting outfield prospects." One or two is usually more than enough of the latter. So, I don't see this trade ever happening. :-)2 months 1 week ago
TaroIts true Myers is relatively unproven as well, but it adds another long-term OF piece which gives you some options if one of your position players don't pan out. You then have an extra option with Miller covering at SS in case Taylor doesn't pan out, and covering OF in case any of the options there don't pan out. Myers was worth 2-3 WAR in 88 games in his ROY year in 2013. His BABIP was high and he didn't play good D, but can you imagine how we'd feel about him if he did that as a 22-year old in Mariner uni?2 months 1 week ago
rick82I don't get this "unproven" label on some of these guys, Taro. I don't think Miller, Ackley, or LoMo are "unproven". We know what they are able to accomplish at a minimum level. Frankly, I think you're just as likely, actually more likely, to get 2-3 WAR from Ackley or Jackson as you are from Myers. Myers hasn't done anything Ackley didn't do in his first two seasons with us. I'm not sure why you think you can bank on 2-3 WAR. How's he more bankable at this time for that than Dustin, Justin and Jesus were? If we're talking tools and scouting and minor league stats here, we have enough of that already. Man, if we couldn't count on Franklin for Jackson to work out, why on earth would we want to count on Myers? Who's more proven than Austin Jackson?2 months 1 week ago
TaroNothing wrong with holding onto your players, but we need to be realistic as not all of these guys are going to pan out. That's just the reality with prospects. I think being a former scouting director, Z wants to win with 'his' players. That's fine, and the core can be built off of it, but you need to be willing to deal a player if its the right move.2 months 1 week ago
rick82In other words, if we're playing Stars and Scrubs here, get me a Star. Got plenty of scrubs.2 months 1 week ago
TaroI'm not sure Myers is great bet to be a star, but I think he's a fairly good bet to average or above-average player (good power, decent walks, below average contact, below-average D in a corner). I'd deal Walker for that, considering the injury risk. Rather have a 2-3 WAR OF I can bank on (sort of) with upside beyond that, than a potential 3-4 WAR SP that could be nothing.2 months 1 week ago
Tacoma RainI wonder what Coco Crisp would cost? Do we trust Jack trading with Billy??2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossWhich is one reason I'm sure Jack wants to hold on to his young talent, Taro. It's nice to have free replacements if LoMo tanks or either Miller/Taylor can't cut it early. But would you rather load up on the front end or prepare for rear guard action, Jack? I'm not a fan of trench warfare or waiting out the enemy. I prefer to try to win, rather than plan how not to lose.2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossAgreed, if you're gonna go with youth feel free to do it at glove positions (if Miller plays some CF, that would be all three deployed that way). :-) And we'll see - there are still deals out there to be made. I'm just getting the feeling we're gonna hold our cards and roll our money to the next hand. Which would be okay, maybe, if the money actually got there.2 months 1 week ago
TaroWe basically have unproven players at every position either than 3B, 2B, DH (who will be 35), and CF (who is Austin Jackson). That's two stars, five young players, an old DH, and a CF coming off his worst year. Its a volatile roster. It could go either way.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaZunino and Taylor don't play bat-first positions, and their defense is solid enough to expect a minimum WAR floor, even given their relative youth. Anyway, I think we all agree, get a stud right fielder. I'd work my way into a Cole Hamels -> Will Myers -> Taijuan Walker type three way deal.2 months 1 week ago
rick82I'm not sure about Walker for Myers. I look at the two, and they are both studs, with limited MLB success. Walker is a lot younger, and I know that's different for a pitcher, but we're talking Felix debut young here. I'm haunted by Choo and Cabrera and Jones, but I'm kinda haunted by Pineda for Montero as well. We've already seen Jack trade Fister and Pineda for failed bats. If we trade Walker, I want it to be for a sure fire thing, an outfielder with a definite .800 OPS floor and some .900 upside. Like an Upton, or maybe a Choo. Let's remember Walker has 53 MLB innings and a 2.89 ERA with 46 Ks and 22 BB. And he's 21. He's a star in the making. So...I can certainly see the hesitancy. Like I've said before, I'm glad I'm not the one who has to pull the trigger.2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossThere haven't been a handful of teams in recent history that had more than 3 first-and-second year players in the everyday lineup and competed. Zunino and Miller are basically 2nd year players if you're looking at games played. Taylor's a "rookie." Maybe we can get by with that, if they're as good as we hope.2 months 1 week ago
TaroI'm actually less of a fan of Rasmus than others.. Skillset of a player that ages early (reminds me of BJ Upton), and really bad fit for the park. So I understand ben's concern there. That said, I wouldn't be too worried about Seth Smith or Aoki. They seem as low risk as you can get for typical past 30 FAs.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaBut that's just it G, we aren't counting on the young guns to carry the offense! That's what we have Cano, Cruz, and Seager for! They are our 4-5 WAR cornerstones. They are what allows us to play rookies in other less important positions.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaThe problem I have is that if Smith or Rasmus fails (like so so many veterans have done with their first exposure to Safeco) we will not be in a position to move away from them! No options. Less flexibility. If Miller or Taylor or Ackley struggle they can get time in AAA and we can give Marte, Kivlehan, DJ, etc... a chance. Give me an everyday option on more than a one-year deal. Not a fan of the platoon.2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossPlatoons aren't great, ben. But a platoon stopgap to get to DJ or Kivlehan, or multiple years on an everyday hitter? I would take Cargo - he would free us up to trade one of the kids. But there aren't a lot of other everyday guys I can see available that I think are better than a platoon (especially since the Safe destroys a lot of hitters, as you say - vets or otherwise). And Cargo would require that trade of (more than) one of the kids to accomplish. We can't get him for just money.2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossBut we can't afford for both Austin Jackson and one of our corner OF to faceplant again at the same time. I've just been burned too often by the Mariners forcing rookie and second-year players to carry the lion's share of the burden for success, I guess. Every time we've said, "okay kid, you're the star. It's all you now..." that kid has promptly face-planted. The exception? Seager. I want to believe in Brad Miller being another Seager, and there's no bigger fan of bringing on internal replacements that I am. Maybe it would be different now that the MOTO is actually filled, and Miller can be a #2 or a #6 instead of one of the Weighty Parts of the lineup. But I feel like asking Felix whether he wants an Upton in RF or if he's good with Miller would get me a huge preference for the former. Seth Smith? I dunno. But I wouldn't bet on Miller there either.2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossThe shout box cuts off after 5 or 6 lines, King. :-) Keep em shorter and they should post fine. I'm not in dire need of a mega-trade, but I am in want of a better plus bridge to the future than we had last year. The Mariners want Miller and Taylor and Zunino to step up and take the reins. They want either DJ or Kivlehan to wrest 1B from LoMo in 2016. But much as LoMo is a decent, club-controlled player who can hold down the fort until those kids are ready, I want another one in RF. We have several monster OFs-in-training in the minors, including our own version of Wil Myers who's just getting started in Low A (Alex Jackson). I dunno that Miller can outhit those guys. If he's not in the infield, I dunno that Miller is the future (unless it's in CF, which we don't have. THAT training I'm OK with).2 months 1 week ago
KingCorranChalk me up for Myers/mega-trade as preferred option #1, followed by Rasmus, Smith, and Aoki in that order. Anything less we have no business being on the playing field. PS - why doesn't the shout button actually work for me most of the time? Seriously, I click it and nothing. I originally wrote this comment before noon Mountain time... looks like maybe I'm shouting too much at once? =)2 months 1 week ago
KingCorranIf the M's sit on their laurels after signing Cruz (which they are NOT doing), we don't deserve the playoffs. And while I'm the biggest possible advocate of putting together a one-year solution while keeping the irons hot for Gordon/Upton in next year's FA market, I'd trade Walker for Myers in a heartbeat. Rasmus seems an elegant solution, allowing us to band-aid RF in 2015 while replacing Jackson in 2016 and still hitting that market... but Myers would be a whole different ballgame. Maybe by then we put Myers in LF and send Ackley out for parts, who knows?2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossBrad had just 111 PAs to notch that 122 (or about 3 and a half weeks of game time). If he'd gone 0-for-5 in his next GAME it would have dropped his 2nd half batting average by 13 points. His BABIP in Sept/Oct was .390 to get there. That's a thin thread to rest our playoff hopes on. Seth Smith has always his oppo pitching. Brad Miller has only had a sliver of success since 2013. I'm a pretty big Miller fan, but I would rather have Smith available if ONE of our important-and-unstable lefties (Miller / Ackley / LoMo) falters. Then we can have the best three playing, instead of the only three available.2 months 1 week ago
KingCorranI'd just like to note that we were one win away from the playoffs in a down year for much of our competition. Texas injuries, Oakland implosion, et cetera - not to mention an unrepeatable series of pitching performances... that does NOT mean we are one win away from the playoffs in 2015, simply because that's the way it shook out in 2014. We really want to bank on 88 wins being enough... especially when that translates to a one-game playoff and then a wildcard elimination?2 months 1 week ago
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benihanaAnd where my disconnect may be is that I'm arguing 25th roster spot 5/6th outfielder when y'all are thinking 3rd OF. I just think Miller has been penciled into right.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaI also think that a dedicated platoon costs you a bench spot. Playing 24 vs 25 an entire season is probably worth what? -2 WAR? Ruggiano can back up all three outfield positions, Bloomquist can back-up 7 spots, our last bench spot needs to be someone who can play something more than COF or at least provide value in addition to bat alone. For this team I prefer James Jones to Seth Smith - more defensive flexibility plus leveraged stolen base opportunities.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaThe way I see it is Brad Miller 2nd half wRC+ of 122 is your opening day starter in right field. Do I think that's a haphazard minor league platoon? Nope, I think the logo is a present and future stud. Seth Smith 2nd half wRC+ of 101 - worth two year deal plus prospects? Nope. Not enough of an upgrade for me.2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossI hear ya, ben - and I'm willing to trade for Cargo too. :-) I'm not a huge fan of strict platoons as a general rule, but if the Ms are GOING to decide that a platoon doesn't make them wet themselves as much as actually trading for another multi-WAR bat, then I'd rather go with a good platoon than a haphazard minor league one.2 months 1 week ago
TaroIt really depends on who that platoon vet is, Smith would be a great add if you don't give up quality specs. Aoki would be a nice add and is an everyday guy in RF. I don't think acquiring a vet necessarily means disaster. We just signed a 35 year old DH for 4 years. Every player should be evaluated individually.2 months 1 week ago
TaroAnd I'd prefer to cash in Walker for a long-term hitter. Would have dealt him for Souza+ honestly. Don't think he holds together and we have a long-term need in the OF.2 months 1 week ago
TaroWalker for Myers might actually make sense. It seems even Pads realize they nabbed one too many corner OFs.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaDo not do the Eduardo Perez and Ben Broussard. Don't do it. Don't. Just stop.2 months 1 week ago
benihanaOf course G! M's goal shouldn't be to get into the playoffs, the goal should be to WIN the World Series. To improve their chances on doing that the M's could really use an awesome outfielder. I just don't want a not-quite awesome outfielder. Me - I trade for Cargo. Or flip Walker for Myers. I want someone who can play everyday in right field. I don't think a veteran platoon lefty helps this team. I think it locks in a roster spot and unnecessarily eliminates flexibility.2 months 1 week ago
Gordon GrossCan we make the playoffs as currently constructed? Of course we can. We could have last year... but we didn't. We're better-constructed this year than last, but that doesn't guarantee anything. The Ms have indicated they have the money in the budget for another add, so make one that makes us better. Might be the difference between home field and road trippin... or making the playoffs and missing em. Don't play on the margin - give us some breathing room if y'dont mind. :)2 months 1 week ago
benihanaCouldn't disagree with you more Matt. The M's have a very clear shot at the playoffs as the roster stands. The 1-win away from a playoff game M's have gotten better. They patched their biggest hole at DH. While their main competition has gotten worse, much worse. Oakland's tossed in the towel. Kansas City? Dislike everything they've done and if they miss on Shields, fork 'em. LAA hasn't done anything that worries me. Detroit needs to ink Max or I'm all doom and gloom on them. Baltimore has lost out on all of their FA bats. Boston's the only team that has gotten better - and we're still projected to be better than them.2 months 1 week ago
rick82...For now, anyway. Trade for what we need later.2 months 1 week ago
rick82Not sure I see the problem with these Steamer K rates and overall projections among the kiddies. Steamer is pretty much splitting the difference between Miller and Zunino's rate rates over their past two seasons. Taylor is having his numbers regressed from last season, although Steaker does suggest a drop in K rate, he's not getting any real benefit from it by Steamer. Jones' K rate is being held steady. None of these kids are being projected to give tremendous breakthroughs. They look to me like Steamer kinda expects more of the same. That seems logical if you are looking for stop loss. Go with what you've come to expect. Yeah we will carry another lefty outfielder. Lloyd will insist on it, and that's a good thing. He can be from our system is all I'm saying.2 months 1 week ago
SABR MattWe need to carry another lefty outfielder. If we do not, I think we'll miss the postseason yet again2 months 1 week ago
SABR MattI agree with grumpy that steamer looks fishy, especially foot Seattle.2 months 1 week ago
Cool Papa BellNelson Cruz is the priciest free agent signed by an AL West club. That means all the M's rivals are treading water this offseason which bodes very well for Seattle's postseason chances.2 months 1 week ago
MtGrizzlyPadres are said to be exploring trading Myers (plus) for Hamels.2 months 1 week ago
rjjuniorWould love Nava. However, other than Mookie, he could be the most expensive guy they have (prospect cost), due to his flexibility, salary, and years of control.2 months 1 week ago
moethedogI assume we would have discovered the hip issue in the physical, like the Padres did. I hope we would have, anyway. Renting Upton for a year was always fine if the rent was cheap enough. Nava guys, Daniel Nava: Career .293-.385-.428 vs. RHP. Cheap (minus the swap costs), plays both COF's and 1B. Boston has to trade a guy. That .385 OBP would look pretty sweet in the 1 or 2 spot vs. RHP. I think Boston is holding Craig. Bid on Nava. Doesn't hit lefties much...even as a switcher...but that's not what we need him for. We need an COF how can play 1B, he's a nice one.2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyOAs someone who has decried Jack's inability to land a bona fide RF'er this offseason, it's very possible we will eventually be glad we passed on both Kemp and Upton, Kemp because he combines arthritic hips with 5 remaining contract years, and Upton because he would be a one-year rental.2 months 2 weeks ago
John PierceDoes anyone think Upton may have had a say about which team he would like to go to? We were one of the few teams on his no trade list until this year. If he did, maybe playing his contract year in sunny SoCal, on a team gearing up to win it all this year, trumped coming to the Great Pacific Northwest.2 months 2 weeks ago
GrumpySteamer is regressing down all of the young players' strikeout rates by 5%, and we have a lot of those players, and we are (currently) planning to rely on a bunch of those players. So I think that effect may disproportionately and artificially boost the Ms WAR projections. I mean really, who among us actually expected Steamer to rate the Ms as the number 1 team in the AL? Not me.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82Grumpy, if Steamer is over aggressive regarding K rates, I assume it is across the board, for all teams. I doubt Steamer is favoring the Mariners.2 months 2 weeks ago
misterjonezToo bad about the Upton non-trade. We could have used that guy this year. Just for fun, can someone (Spec or Gordon - or both?!) put up what a comparable package would have been from the Ms?2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR Mattfor the record, counting Cruz as an OF is not smart for the purposes of evaluating the line-up...when he is in RF...there is a hole DHing. That isn't a plus for the OF. Also for tyhe record, Ruggiano is not a good baseball player to rely on for more than 200 ABs. Also for the record, Ackley is about as reliable as Pinocchio. And the final for the record, Bloomquist is terrible at baseball, and every at bat he takes for the Mariners is a sign that the Mariners failed.2 months 2 weeks ago
GrumpySteamer is possibly conservative, but OTOH They are also predicting an across the board 5% reduction in strikeout rate for *all* the young players (as Logan pointed out on LL last week). I find that prediction troubling. I think we need a real major leager in place (and not a bounce back candidate). If one of the kids blows up then we can trade somebody like Aoki to make room if necessary... He will have real value to some team should the need to make room arise.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroI don't expect each of Ackley, Jackson, Miller, and Taylor to tank, but I also don't expect all of them to succeed. Ackley was terrible in 2013, Jackson was terrible just last year. Taylor is a small guy that Ks a lot without power to compensate. He needs to BABIP himself to success. The OF is volatile. You plug Miller in RF and now SS is volatile as well. We need another player out there.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroThe Ms don't need marginal vets, they need a viable solution in the RF. Jones and Romero combined for negative 2 WAR last year. The names could be different in '15, but we can't let that happen again. Zs unwillingness to plug an obvious hole in OF cost us our playoff run.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaSeager could regress, Cano could see his power completely evaporate, Lomo could flame out, Zunino could fail to improve.. the 2015 M's could be the 2014 Texas Rangers. But, planning for the 100 year storm is a waste of resources. I am all for reasonable preparedness - but like I argued earlier, for preparedness to be useful you must maintain FLEXIBILITY. Signing marginal veterans doesn't help.2 months 2 weeks ago
bsrbeni - not saying it's the likely scenario, it's obviously very unlikely. But, Ackley could easily be a spotty 90 OPS guy again, AJack could continue the 54 OPS Safeco parade, Miller has not proven he can play OF or hit consistently, Ruggiano could face plant to worthlessness (see Spec analysis), Cruz needs to keep his OF reps down, Bloomie is old and got injured right away last year. I am just saying, with the M's revenues there is no need to skate on thin ice like this. Jack has consistently shown a blind spot for shoring up black holes, they have killed almost every one of his teams so far.2 months 2 weeks ago
bsrIf you haven't read this article about Tom Brady and his incredible training and preparation regimen, it's fantastic and well worth your time: http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/10/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-age-fitness. Been calling a Hawks-Pats SB since the start of the season...another all time legend for DangeRuss to stick the knife in >=)2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaBSR - riiiight. If Ackley, Jackson, Miller, Ruggiano, Cruz, and Bloomquist all go down in flaming wreckage the season is doomed! I don't see that as plausible at all. I see that as more battered fan syndrome.2 months 2 weeks ago
bsrI feel pretty good that the M's have their Pete Carroll, or a good enough facsimile. Not so sure they have their John Schneider ;) Competition is great...when you have a ton of talent taking part in that competition.2 months 2 weeks ago
bsrAgreed on competition, and I do trust Lloyd to make good decisions with the options he has. However, we are in a historical drought of hitting in MLB. I am not sure the M's have ANYone who is good enough to plate runs in our OF. I see a plausible and not excessively pessimistic downside scenario that we have zero good OF right now (not 1 or 2 and we duct tape it together, I mean zero and it goes down in burning wreckage and kills the season). Anyway just waiting to see who is the Rodney equivalent this offseason, because we definitely have money still to spend - there's no way we're done at this point.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82Cheaping out, not cheating out2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82Bsr, I wanted Upton. I don't want to hire half a platoon spot. I'm fine with the M's cheating out in that regard. But we should have bid and won Upton.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82Now, I am not certain Lloyd knows how to hold tryouts. That could be a problem. Almonte wasn't ready while Saunders sat. But Elias properly won his spot and was a hidden gem Steamer didn't count on. He may do better with pitchers in that regard.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82Guess what I'm saying is I am looking forward to the competition in spring training for that left handed outfield spot. That how Pete next door finds his players - by competing daily for positions.2 months 2 weeks ago
bsrrick, help me understand your argument - are you saying it is better to let the prospect soup get the PT in RF for development purposes / long term benefit, than to bring in an everyday RF who we can rely on for 2015 when we are trying to win it all? To me the OF right now seems like such an obvious traditional Jack Z black hole of hundreds of rally killing sub-replacement level AB's waiting to happen.2 months 2 weeks ago
bsrCan someone explain to me why we did not trade for Upton? It doesn't seem like the Pads gave up much of anything. Heck they sent DJ Peterson's little brother, we were worried we'd need to cough up DJ. Nothing remotely as good as a Taijuan Walker. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/breaking-down-the-prospects-in-the-justin-upton-trade/2 months 2 weeks ago
bsrSpec's analysis comping Ruggiano to Casper the Friendly Faceplant Wells was scary. Saying that we had a playoff spot most of last season is misleading - we had a chance to play a game to get into the playoffs most of the year (and didn't make it). The M's have the money and/or prospects to bring in a real MLB OFer. I don't see why we need to cheap out and go for scrap heap platoon guys, for the 100th year in a row. Jack has shown zero ability to pick these type of guys better than a random dice roll.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82On June 2nd last season, James Jones was sitting on a .735 OPS with a .343 OBP. I'm fairly certain anybody we decide to stick there internally will serve as a stop loss until the flaws are exposed. We aren't rushing kids like we used to do. Heck, if Morban enters spring training healthy (yeah, big if, but he's one of a number, no one we have to count on) we might find a decent, exciting third of a season from him. We can have some of our cake, and eat some of it too. Our abundance of WAR at this point in time gives us that flexibility. And, I would say that Steamer, apart from maybe Taylor, is conservative. It isn't counting on an Ackley breakthrough, nor a Miller, a Taijuan, Paxton, etc. It's low balling everyone, having located the proper floor in my humble opinion. Guys are gonna emerge, and those we are skeptical about, Steamer is merely projecting what they've already proven they can do at a base level.2 months 2 weeks ago
okdanWas lukewarm on Smith, but now that we've got Ruggs, it makes a lot of sense to me. Aoki on a 2 year deal was my original Plan D preference, as it would hold things down until some of the kids are ready.2 months 2 weeks ago
GrumpyChoi is interesting but not yet established enough that I'd call him a stop loss candidate.2 months 2 weeks ago
GrumpyYeah we need another guy in the OF. I'm warming to Aoki (OBP, did it in AL) as a stop loss. He should be some upgrade over Bloomquist in that role. Rasmus despite being CF capable just seems too risky, but who knows. Smith might be a Javier level add. I guess the other option is to see how pitching situation shakes out in ST, and deal from strength at that point.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82Even if we plug Choi into the RF left handed platoon slot, it won't hurt much should he tank, and we'd learn something about Choi. We played a black hole in CF all season long, at DH all season long, and at first base much of the season, and we still occupied a playoff slot most of the season. Romero, Almonte and Jones got extended looks last season, with mixed results. The main problem as I saw it was the mid season acquisitions failed, as well as Hart. Let's do a better job of that this time.2 months 2 weeks ago
okdanYup, still need a solid platoon or everyday RF in my opinion. It would be great to watch a team with some depth, where you don't spend half the summer watching a guy who should really be in AA or AAA (Almonte, Jones, Romero). If we can raise the floor, we should.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattIf Taylor tanks, w have no one to play right because Miller will be needed at short, Ruggiano cannot start full time, and neither can Ackley2 months 2 weeks ago
jemanjiYep - if you're on the site already, and hit refresh, normally it gives you the up-to-date version.2 months 2 weeks ago
rjjuniorbsr: try clearing your cache.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82With Steamer saying we are at the top of the heap, we can afford to hold our fire until mid season. Even if Taylor tanks, Miller has produced at a 1.5 clip per for two years running. The team is ready to contend as is, and we can use another half season to determine what to throw away and what to keep. We won't fall to pieces for lack for half a platoon bat.2 months 2 weeks ago
GLSI think the KLAT guys are still resource constrained and that's why we're having these problems. That, or they're running on Azure. :) (I'm snarky on Azure this week because of problems in my day job).2 months 2 weeks ago
bsrIt also seems to show old versions of the article pages - sometimes the number of comments on the tiles on the front page says X, but there are fewer comments showing on the article when I go there. I assume you and the admins are aware of all this...I'd happily pay a few shekels on DOV if that is what it costs to maintain a functioning website...the SSI issues are getting to be a bit of a hindrance to engaging with a community on here.2 months 2 weeks ago
bsrIs the website/shoutbox going to start functioning properly any time soon? It still randomly cuts off large swathes of the most recent shouts seemingly at random depending on what page I'm on. And I still have to hit reload on the home page every time I visit to see the latest articles. If I just point to SSI website, it will show an old version of the site every time, on desktop and mobile.2 months 2 weeks ago
bsrWhy did we ever give JZ the nickname Trader Jack? I think we can safely revoke that title since he hasn't made a big trade in years. I favor the alternative "Hoarder Jack". I was curious so I looked it up - from 2009-2013, Jack drafted 234 players. Of those, he has traded 5 - Franklin (1st rounder), Capps (3rd), Catricala (10th), Brazis (28th), Kohlscheen (45th). Really only one trade of any significance. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing, or typical or unusual, but it seemed interesting to me.2 months 2 weeks ago
mojicianHere's the vision: The outfield on Felix/Paxton/Walker day is Ackley/Ruggiano in left, Jackson in Center, and Boomstick in right. They just take naps out there when those guys are pitching anyhow. On Happ/Kuma flyball day, Ruggiano plays right and Ackley plays left. Miller and Ackley take spot starts all over the diamond, but Miller gets at least 2 days per week at shortstop.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroSo from the perspective of the seller it makes sense to deal at the moment that they think they can maximize the return. But from the perspective of the buyer, you've lost a lot of value by waiting. If you deal for Upton on July 30th instead of December, you lose 2/3rds of his season. You could have benefitted from a 4 WAR season, but you only get a 1.5 WAR season.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogI'm mostly with Matt. I think it's a pretty good bet, well real good, that either Taylor or Miller is a full-time real deal this year....but I'm not quite ready to bet on both of them as such, right out of the gate. I want to worry about Jackson, but he had been so remarkably consistent, looking at 1/2 seasons, before his 54 mariner games that I can't help feeling he'll be a 100+ OPS+ guy, somewhere in the .740 OPS range. I worry most about Ackley among our OF's, to tell you the truth. Since Jackson may leave after '15, I think I would approach Rasmus and say, here's 2 years at $8M, today only. In or out? It doesn't seem that he's getting big offers....he might take that. But a year of Aoki and a .350 OBP leading off vR would be quite palatable.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroAs in regards to Upton, I think its an interesting debate. I think the Braves probably could have landed similar value at the deadline, but whatever team acquires him would have 'lost' the half season of production from Upton. Therefore, he would be significantly more expensive to acquire for the buyer even if he commanded the same or similar return.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroRick, meant more in the context of improving our own roster. Acquiring any similarly valuable OF for a hole in RF in July will be much more expensive for us than it would be now due to the limited number of options and competition for those resources. This was what happened last July and will likely not get better. Beane's method of evaluating your team and then fishing at the deadline is no longer viable in the new market.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattThe idea of rotating Cruz into the outfield only works when you have a left handed right fielder2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroTrue, but I'd assume that we would target guys who aren't doing terrible like Morales/Denorfia were at the time. Even Hart was a bargain bin guy coming off a huge layoff. Smith is coming off a 132 wRC+. Anybody can underperform in a given year, but you want to improve your team and some insurance when you can.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattMojician...Who plays right when Cruz doesn't? Certainly not Ruggiano, who is also right handed?2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82But you don't get half a season of anyone in the offseason, Taro, so I remain perplexed by this idea that if we wait, we pay more. Atlanta dealt Upton in the off season to maximize his value, right? Had they waited til mid season, they would either have gotten more, or less in return. They dealt him now, so I'm saying they must agree that a seller gets more overall value in the off season than in the middle of a pennant race. Either that, or they are anxious to play with new toys. This is the team that gave up a ton of talent to get half a season of Teixeira, so they have experience in mid season blockbusters. Yet they moved him in December. I think that regardless of the added wild card, the market has changed since then and teams don't want to give up a lot of prime talent in mid season.2 months 2 weeks ago
mojicianMatt, it was your point that the Boomstick likes to play outfield a lot too. Jogging to and from right field helps him knock the rust loose for his home run trot. That's already four outfielders, before you talk about James Jones.2 months 2 weeks ago
jemanjiScintillating discussion amigos - an "editor's choice" post would simply paste in the last 70 shouts ...2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattI think if you can get Aoki for one year, and not two, he is a good hedge you aren't married to...I don't want Taylor to be the full time starting shortstop, which means I don't want Miller in the outfield...which means we need a lefty outfielder2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossGood call beni - gotta be able to be flexible in a pennant year. If Cano or Seager has a bad year, you can ride it out. if Ruggie or LoMo (or a new platoon lefty OF) collapses in the early going, you'd better find some production. And with the raft of relievers we carry to build one of the best pens in the biz, it makes it tough to mix and match.2 months 2 weeks ago
mojicianPreach it out Ben! No more Hart/Morales/Denorfia loooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnngggg leash for entitled veterans.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaMy worry is that your hedge, if it looks anything like the Corey Hart's of years past, is also going to have a long leash. Young guys provide more flexibility because we can option them down. This team is too deep, with to few bench spots, to carry someone who you can't easily part with. If Miller has a bad April he goes to AAA, if Seth Smith has a bad April he gets a bad May, and maybe beyond. To really hedge against the negative WAR you need someone you are willing to move off of, and nobody out there fits that profile for me at a reasonable price.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroI'm not saying half a season of Upton is more valuable than a full season, but half a season of Upton at the deadline will cost significantly more than something of similar value to half-a-season of Upton in the offseason.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroYeah, in general mid-season deals are significantly more expensive since the addition of the 2nd wild-card. That's why we shouldn't be afraid of excess MLBers. You can always deal them at mid-season if one of your young players surprise.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroAh, true. I didn't realize we were #1. 5 teams with 3-4 WAR though. 9 within 6-7 WAR. Don't want a unnecessary hole on our roster to cost us at the end of the year.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon Grossbeni, I consider that the same thing. If Ackley wasn't cutting it but Kivlehan could be considered ready in May, then you just bench Ackley, promote Kivlehan the wonderstud, and let him tear the league limb from limb. Because that's not a bet I'm willing to make, we need the bridge. :-) We need enough ABs to go around between guys who can be at least league-average hitters to keep the black holes away. No more Romero / Montero / Morales / Brendan Ryan performances at the plate, y'know?2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82For example, had Baltimore dealt Eric Bedard at mid-season instead of when they did, do you think they had gotten more than what they got from us? Perhaps, since he had a couple more seasons, but I'm talking about rentals here, and Upton would have been a rental. Half an Upton season should cost less than a full Upton season. Do you think the Braves would have done better to wait unitl mid-season to deal him? If they thought so, they would have done so, I think.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82Deadline deals are more expensive? It makes some sense, but I'm not sure I see it. Teams buying seem to expect a discount based on the short term basis of the rental. Yeah, the A's did a significant overpay, but they were shooting for the World Series, not to make the playoffs. Competition and scarcity should play in, but it seems to me, these days anyway, that you get less if you are selling at mid-season.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaThe bridge isn't hedging a bet until one of those guys are ready G - it's hedging that one of the guys we have isn't good enough to cut it. And we won't know that until midway through the season anyway.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossThe only Ms hitters I would consider would be Kivlehan, DJ, and dark-horse Choi if we need a 1B/DH if either LoMo or Cruz have something happen to them. But none of them are guys I would consider in April. Kivlehan and DJ aren't ready (and I don't like making rookies do position changes in the bigs - let em work that out in the minors where they can still hit while they can figure out their fielding). Neither Kivlehan nor DJ have played more than a handful of games at 1B in their minors careers, let alone the OF. And I don't trust Blash or Montero. I don't trust our hitters for immediate replacements either Taro. I want that bridge too.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaAnd Taro the projections currently have the M's #1 in the AL - behind only LAD in baseball http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaEh, in theory I'm not opposed to Seth Smith. I don't see him being traded as the Padres need left-handed bats, but if he didn't cost us much, what the heck. I just don't think we need a bridge. Ackley, Jackson, Ruggiano, Miller, Cruz and Bloomquist can all play the OF acceptably. And Lomo can do it in a pinch. I'm more worried about our 1b production than the OF production.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroA bridge like a Smith platoon or Aoki (and an Ackley platoon) would be fine, but the Ms need to do something to add an OF. Currently we are the #2 projected team in the AL behind the Red Sox, but we haven't separated ourselves from the pack and there are a lot of volatile young players in our lineup. Not a ton of depth in the high minors either.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossThe guy who gets squeezed in the event of a Kivlehan/DJ/Blash breakout would be Ruggiano, beni. Or Ackley. Smith can platoon with one of the kids getting his feet wet as well as with Ruggiano. There's no reason a kid needs 155 games his first full year (ie, 2016) so a multi-year deal on a lefty doesn't hamper our righty kids much.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossThanks Spec! Yeah, Aoki isn't my favorite add because he's not really a good platoon bat. But there are worse options.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaIn no way should anyone be locked into a spot on a contending team like this. As G posted over at drdetectovision the M's have Alex Jackson, Patrick Kivlehan, Austin Wilson, Tank O'neill, Gabe Guerro, Jabari's etc.. all gonna be fighting it out in the high minors. What I don't want to see is a middling multi-year guy like Seth Smith - who would eliminate the potential break out performance of all of the above.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossI still expect to bridge, Taro - a Smith/ Venable/ Murphy thing for now, and all the kids around to bring in a crusher at a (non-3B) corner later. But that requires one to be on the market. Still wish we'd been willing to front ourselves this year's money last year - how great would Jose Abreu be with this team? We'd be locked DOWN. But the Ms are ever frugal on their yearly budgets. Spend whatever income the Ms bring in during the fiscal year and no more. Someday I'm sure that'll be a benefit. Over the last decade+ it's just been irksome. ;-) I'm with you - I want more matchable hitters.2 months 2 weeks ago
SpectatorHere's a "menu" for you. Every LH-hitting OF who got at least 150 PAs vs. RH pitching sorted by OPS vs. RHP. Could've just kept No. 8 of course. Smith is No. 10. Note how Endy is No. 21 (one spot ahead of Rasmus) and ahead of "name" guys like Choo, Ellsbury and Ethier. Have to click to page 2 to find Aoki. http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/of/hand/left/split/32/sort/OPS/minpa/1502 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossYeah beni, that's what I'm thinking we're doing. It may be a reason we go for someone like Venable if he's more available - shorter contract, easier to eat if something better comes along. That something better might be internal or external, but we have all our powder dry, basically, and know we can't fit it all onto our roster in the next year or two. We'll have to make a major trade to clear out the blockage. We just didn't want to do it for one year of Upton, from the looks of it, and certainly weren't willing to give em the cream of the crop. Let's hope that turns out to be very smart. Cano was worth the wait over Fielder or Hamilton, right?2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroOnce you lock in Ackley, Jackson, and Miller in the OF and Taylor at SS. NONE of them can fail. Its a starting OF that could potential be successful, but its not stable. You have no real backup plan, unless you have Ruggiano's 28% K rate being exploited in full-time play or playing Cruz regularly in RF (meaning someone like Montero as a full-time DH).2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroIt could work out, but it would be a gamble. Deadlines deals are significantly more expensive than during the offseason. Miller and Taylor PT won't suffer even if you bring in an OF (they give you depth and a fallback plan). There are 8 or 9 teams in the AL that are 4 Ws within us in either direction. We need to bring in that starting OF now.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82And yeah, Gordon definitely vocalized my feelings as well - and I'm the guy who said we shouldn't trade anyone ever, ever, ever. But I want a grade A stud, if we're dumping Saunders. I don't want bailing wire.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82The Mariners still don't know who to hold and who to keep, so they can't make decisions. There was a time when Franklin was a definite keeper, and we kept him. Until we couldn't find room for him (hey, let's give him Saunders's job in RF - uh oh, Michael's using the f word again). So, we will know better at midseason, and yeah, whoever we are casting off will have some lustre gone, because we chose others ahead of them. BUT, we are only asking for half a season of production so it's a decent tradeoff. They're getting a less shiny prospect, and we're getting a shorter term rental. It makes sense to me. I don't know who will emerge. Heck, Blash may jump past DJ and Patrick for all we know.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaMe, I roll with what we have. Give the first third of the season over to figuring out who's sinking and who's swimming, then be ready to make some early power moves well before any deadlines.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaTaro - there is no reason why the M's have to plan for every scenario right now. They kept all the bullets in their chamber. If Miller or Taylor don't work out fine. Make a move mid-season. Give Marte or DJ or Patrick a shot. Heck, already better than last season the M's are projected to be the BEST team in baseball, we are left with worrying about our back-up outfielder. I love it.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossDavid Murphy maybe? Aoki and Rasmus are still out there as FAs. but on the trade front I'm drawing a buncha blanks. Help me out here. ;-)2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82You know, if I'm Michaels Saunders, I'm pissed, and I'm pissed opening week. Lloyd started the season with a Saunders/Romero platoon. So Michael plays-sits-sits, then when a righty starter shows up for games 4 and 5, he sits-sits so that Logan Morrison can get some time, then doesn't start again until game 6. Soon, we're back to Romero. Yeah, I'm Michael Saunders, and I am the best hitting outfielder on your team. I proved it last season, and I ran into a wall doing so. Now, I look around, and this guy is playing two scrubs from Tacoma and some castoff from Miami. I mean, wtf, in Saunders-speak. Get me out of here. And while we are at it, why is Logan Morrison getting all the playing time down the stretch, when I am still your best clutch hitter - .781 close and late in 2013, and I'm following it up with 1.02 for you this season, coach. Logan has been handed first base, and I get a seat in the doghouse. Bye bye, I am outahere. Love ya, fans! - M.S.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaGLS - lots of casting about for sure - and G - right on the money with your post as well. Where my disconnect comes from is why is a steamer projection more valuable than the public opinions of management? To me they BOTH appear to be appeals to authority.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossSo - what are our options for a platoon situation at the moment? We're looking at something like Seth Smith or Venable from the Friars, and... who? Most of the other remaining crowded outfields seem to have excess righties, not lefties. The Braves, Nats and Dodgers seem to have solved their crowding situations (Boston too - with Cespedes gone they're probably fine now). The Reds are apparently willing to move Jay Bruce, but outside of that bandbox I would fear greatly for his production. Not sure where else we'd be looking. Ideas?2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroIn the Brad Milller platoon scenario a lot if put on the shoulder of both Miller and Taylor. Neither of them can disappoint for that scenario to work out well. Even if its just someone like Aoki, we need an OF capable of starting.2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyOIn the Brad Miller = RF platoon scenario, an awful lot is being put on the shoulder of Miller to be what we hope he will be, as opposed to what he has demonstrated he is. We were in a strong position to do better this offeason. In midseason 2015 retrospect, perhaps it will look just find; but if not it will be another case of not buying that third bridge to avoid the scenario of A Bridge Too Far.2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyOWhat G said. Captures my feelings perfectly.2 months 2 weeks ago
mojicianDerek Norris was the most disgusting Orc that Beane ever spawned. I'm going to enjoy not watching his beard fungus in hi def. He was a natural fan favorite in Oakland. I don't understand it. If you discount aliens, the next explanation is that Beane has been hacked by North Koreans.2 months 2 weeks ago
csiemsI can't tell if the A's are rebuilding or retooling--if it's the former, I wonder if the M's could get Coco Crisp cheaply. He'd do well at the top of the order, could platoon for Ruggiano, or take over for Ackley if/when he falters.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossI'm with you, moe - I like things to make sense to me. And I hate losing deals. As I've said before, I'm pretty positive on Happ so I don't feel like we got robbed... I just hate floundering to replace someone you already had. Jack's got time to sort it out, but if the end answer is "Oh well, I guess it's Miller and Ruggiano" then that won't satisfy me, because it's not satisfying JACK right now. Jack didn't state that Miller/Ruggiano is Plan A - he still wants another outfielder. If he settles because he couldn't get it done, that will feel like the last several offseasons where we knew we needed something instead of "hopefully a kid turns into an All-Star and bails us out."I want the 2015 Mariners motto to read: "We Decided to Stop Settling." Y'know?2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogIndeed I am, GLS. Thinking out loud.....2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossSame thing happened with Fister, GLS - you figure the our people aren't morons, so there's SOME logical explanation. Sometimes smart people do dumb things for weird reasons, and you may never fully know what those reasons are, or be able to understand them.2 months 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyRe. Saunders, Divish had a comment (paraphrasing) "if you want to be an every day player, you have to respond when your name is called". We may never know what the real issues were but I suspect there is a lot more to this than any of us know.2 months 2 weeks ago
GLSRegarding Saunders, I think people are casting about in the dark looking for explanations that make sense to them.2 months 2 weeks ago
malcontentMy belief has been that Lloyd and others in the organization were a bit miffed that he went to Colorado to witness the birth of his second child during the playoff race, interrupting his rehab and pushing it back by what ended up being 2 weeks. As much as people blame McClendon for not playing Saunders when he was available, I always thought it was something of a reprimand for not being available earlier.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaAnd I also believe that Brad Miller beat out Saunders - he's the replacement they already had.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaAnd the OKG think is Coach Pete of UW / Boise St. (Yeah, I mentioned Harvin right after... but still) - In college football is basically accepted that you build a program by finding the right fits - not just assembling the best talent. In baseball that idea is taboo.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaSaunders went outside of the organization and didn't get better. He got hurt. Repeatedly. Which was the ENTIRE point of Dr. Elliot's training program - reducing those types of injuries. And Jack Z has built two playoff contenders in Milwaukee and Seattle and is generally regarded as one of the top talent evaporators in the game. But if y'all want to believe STEAMER ... go for it.. I get it. I just think it's a blindspot to not consider 'fit' when constructing a roster.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogDo you guys remember Ted "The Mad Stork" Hendricks, the Pro-Bowl linebacker for the Raiders (Colts/Packers) back in the 70's? I well remember reading an interview with him where he expressed frustration with some coaching staffs because they wanted him to put more muscular bulk on his long, lean (he was 6'7 but just 220 lbs), ectomorph physique. He felt his long muscles gave him a leverage advantage (IIRC) that he would lose by bulking up and being less agile. Bulk was demanded by NFL coaches.....long and lean wasn't. I've always thought that the Saunders' tiff was something like that. Saunders had the better sense of how his body best performed and his coaches wanted something beefier for more boom.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogI think the "conditioning" element was really about that. If so, you think the M's would best understand long-lean-flexible-fit after our Ichiro years. Saunders begged to differ (out loud I bet) with the M's and was, ergo, a malcontent. My read, of course. I could be way off base....2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossI think punting Saunders was very odd. I think not having a plan in place to replace him BEFORE you punt him is similarly strange. And watching the Padres trade for 3 All-Stars in the OF in the span of a day, basically, makes me happy for their fans. I just wanted one (in addition to Cruz). Glad for them, their GM is being greedy. Hopefully ours has a plan. There is a plan, right? Or is this gonna be another year where we know we need another bat, we just don't quiiiiite find the courage to add the one we need and hope something breaks right? With the money we're throwing around (or at least offering around) I thought we were done with that. One more, Jack. Just like in Oceans 11. We need one more.2 months 2 weeks ago
IcebreakerXHowever, Coach Pete and GM Schneider have a Super Bowl ring and a juggernaut for three years now. The M's rotating door of managers and GMZ have traded Doug Fister, Michael Saunders and signed Chone Figgins. Yes, I'm cherrypicking, but the M's have a habit of punting players for very strange and borderline questionable reasons.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossI'm kind of amused at some of the folks thinking Upton was gotten "for nothing." For us, that trade would have looked something like Chris Taylor, Danny Hultzen, Tank O'Neill, and somebody like Ketel Marte/Gabe Guerrero as the "throw-in." The Padres had a lot of farm to deal, and they're dealing it to turn their franchise around. Good for them. We don't need a complete turnaround, we need a piece. The question is whether we can get that piece. If we save our ammo for next year and blow this one... Ugh. Still feeling like we're saving the tinder for a super splash at the deadline and making sure we have the pieces to get there in contention now. Have we added Smith yet? Hurry up, Jack - I'm bored.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroIf Saunders had to go out of the organization to get help and was successful with it.. what is the problem? Hes taking initiative and making himself a better player. Ms should see it as an opportunity to clear a blindspot and improve their coaching. Its embarrassing that they couldn't help him in house, but its even more embarrassing that they didn't see that as opportunity to improve.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaIn Coach Pete speak - he's certainly did not appear to be one of "our kind of guys" - least not where Lloyd was concerned. I think there are parallels to the Percy Harvin situation as well. But at what point do we admit that the sabermetric has an "appeal to authority" counter bias? Where-by ability to take coaching and fit with the team is "not-measurable" therefore "doesn't exist?"2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaYou have to wonder what was it about Saunders. I remember the Dr. Elliot bit about him being very low in the lateral strength department. Him there-after going outside the organization to Brother Bard for pool-noodle training. Him being much improved when healthy. Him never being healthy. Him losing his job to Endy Chavez. Him being called out by mgmt. Too me it seems like a guy with immense confidence who wouldn't take instruction.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossIn other words, I think trading Saunders was a mistake, but because it was an either/or situation with his dealings with management, he had to go. So I'm glad we got something for him rather than nothing, but I would notch this one under the Fister File. Not as bad a disaster as Fister, but still a loss for this team. Unlike Fister, however, it was apparently inevitable, so the Ms getting ahead of it and getting the best they could for him isn't worth ridicule to me. Sometimes you take the bite and just move on. Hopefully we finish this roster in such a way that we make up the difference - that's still entirely doable.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossHaving liked Saunders for years (I got into an argument with Matt on a board a long time ago about Saunders and his potential upside - what comp did I use, Lyle Overbay who can play CF? I don't feel bad about that one...) his trade does hurt. I like him, I like his upside, and I like what he could bring to this team. But if he wasn't gonna be allowed to bring it to this team, I include him on the list with Erasmo Ramirez as guys who are mishandled in their dealing with management/Lloyd and are basically worthless to us, so I'm glad we got something for him. Lloyd is good with some players, and really bad with others - he's like Lou in that regard. Gotta take the good with the bad. I think Saunders could have been good for us, but now Happ and whoever takes Mike's place will have to be instead.2 months 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyNow the Padres are in on Middlebrooks, for Hanigan. Sheesh.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroI'm just increasingly frustrated at the Saunders deal. He is exactly the piece we need right now and we could have extended him cheap. I had assumed Z had some sort of backup plan, but clearly he didn't. That deal sits on its own.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossI would be just fine with being the 90s Braves, myself. ;-) We'll see how the Ms handle the pressure of being the favorites, or at least contenders in the AL. It's different than being the scrappy underdogs. Better have your heads on straight, boys - cuz this is the year I expect Mariners baseball to really begin again.2 months 2 weeks ago
DragoOther GMs must really hate Jack Z. The Padres got Upton for almost the exact equivalent of Hultzen (LHP prospect who had arm surgery and will miss all of 2015), Taylor (light hitting MIF prospect), and a couple of throw-ins. Oh, except a package of Hultzen and Taylor plus sweeteners would have been better because Hultzen is closer to returning and Taylor succeeded in a half-season MLB audition. That or the reality of what other teams want in return for their players has been greatly exaggerated. In which case, we must not have really wanted Upton anyway...2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossHow you might feel about the Ms risk-taking... optimistic: "Hey, the Mariners are viewing this through a lens of decade-long contention not a one-year window. We have minors pieces, a pipeline, valuable young talent and highly paid, quality vets. What's not to like? So what if we didn't get one more big-league piece at the cost of the future." Pessimist: "We could have won the WS last year with 'one more piece!' ARGH! The Ms always like to come up one piece short. I don't want to contend, I want to WIN! Can we WIN please?" Hopefully we can win for a decade. it all depends on pitcher health and young contributions, really. If Walker and Paxton are Glavine and Smoltz, then we'll be thrilled we didn't trade them. Of course, the Braves only won it all once...2 months 2 weeks ago
okdanIf anything, it means the peoria sports complex should be buzzing this year!2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82Mariner system remains loaded with talent, and the MLB roster ain't Swiss cheese neither. Fangraphs has us #1 in projected wins for 2015. Go by WAR, go by scouting reports, either way, we rock. Hey, it's been tough sledding for a number of years, but the M ownership has really turned things around. I wanted Upton, and/or Saunders, but I'll take the consolation prize: our overall talent base, is just fine.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossLOL DaddyO. I have a friend who's a Padres fan. He's like a fat kid trapped in a chocolate store, drooling on himself and waiting for the season. After what he's been through since the Giants bounced them out of the playoffs with that one-game deathmatch, I don't blame him.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossYep, that should mean Seth Smith to us shortly, unless the price is weirdly astronomical. In which case I would try to get by with Rasmus like moe suggests, with the bonus that he can play CF.2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyODateline San Diego. Padres trade for Matt Kemp and Wil Myers, sign Justin Upton for an OF trifecta. News then leaks that San Diego and Seattle have agreed to a trade that would bring Felix Hernandez and Fernando Rodney to the Pads for prospects. Rumors are also swirling that LA threw Clayton Kershaw into the Kemp deal to compensate for Kemp's arthritic hip. Terry Kennedy, now 58, benefitting from a strict diet and exercise regimen, has reportedly rejuvenated his body and will report to camp as the starting catcher. Boston and the Friars have agreed to swap first baseman, bringing Adrian Gonzalez back to his former team. Oh, also the sky darkened yesterday afternoon, an earthquake struck, and the trio of Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby and Frank "Home Run" Baker were seen at the Coronado Hotel in perfect health and in Padres' uniforms. In light of all this, Roberto Alomar is in discussions with management about unretiring and playing second base for the team that originally signed him.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogSMith's OPS vR for the last three years = .805-.748-.815 Rasmus = .740-.893-.752 Aoki = .828-.703-.658 (but he's an OBP machine vs lefties). Accordingly, I'm not trading anything too nice for Smith. There doesn't seem to be much demand for Rasmus...you might get him for not much more than Smith for 2 years...at no prospect loss.2 months 2 weeks ago
merksLooks like the Padres vs The M's will truly be a matchup worthy of a rivalry this year. Unbelievable what Preller has done in the last 10 days or so. I'm not qualified to say if its good or bad but if I were a fan in San Diego I'd be pumped.2 months 2 weeks ago
okdanDang. Padres land Justin Upton, Matt Kemp, and Will Myers in the span of a couple weeks. Impressive.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82Upton to San Diego. Guess that means we'll get Seth Smith.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82Nah...it's the Padres.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82MLB rumors reports: The Braves are finalizing a trade of Justin Upton, tweets Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports. Late last night, Fangraphs’ Kiley McDaniel reported that Atlanta appeared to be “down the road” on a deal sending Upton to an AL West team for young pitching (Twitter link). Among AL West clubs, the Mariners have been prominently linked to Upton in trade rumors for much of the offseason, but the Rangers also have a need in the corner outfield, and the extremely active Athletics have been stocking up on young pitching in trades recently.2 months 2 weeks ago
GLSMLBTR reporting the Kemp deal is finalized.2 months 2 weeks ago
GLSI think I'd be okay with Brad Miller in RF most days with Ruggiano against lefties.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroWow.. good thing the Kemp deal didn't go through.2 months 2 weeks ago
malcontentTrue, but Venable would provide some insurance against Austin Jackson faceplanting again.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82I think we're still on Upton, in that we've made an offer, it still stands, and Atlanta is hoping to get more. I think we have the best offer on the table, and that it is a very good offer, and that there is still a chance Atlanta will take it. Somewhere between what Atlanta wants and what we've offered is middle ground that we may end up meeting them on. That's based on absolutely no sources whatsoever.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossVenable's not as much of a platoon dude, mal. If you're gonna run a platoon you'd like to see mashing against oppo pitching, not just decent performance. Agreed he's cheaper and shorter, but that alone might be two reasons for the Padres to keep him - since they aren't likely to get much on the trade market for him.2 months 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyLowe is going to have a tough time making this roster. Bullpen be stacked.2 months 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyArthritis in both hips? Yikes - Kemp is not going to age well.2 months 2 weeks ago
Tacoma RainMark Lowe is back!!???!2 months 2 weeks ago
malcontentI'm surprised there hasn't been any interest in getting Will Venable over Seth Smith. Same team, same age, similar (but lesser) offensive profile, much better defense. And with one year left on his contract, he should be cheaper to acquire coming off a down year.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossPadres probably can't trade Smith til they're sure about whether the Kemp deal even exists due to the double-arthritis. That's probably the hangup on move#2 after Ruggiano: our other dance partner fled the floor on stage two thanks to a bad medical. So we probably won't make progress til after the Kemp thing is resolved, if we wanna make a couple large assumptions.2 months 2 weeks ago
GLSSeth Smith is a quality player that would work really well in a strict platoon. Not sure what the Padres would want for him, but if they start shopping him there are bound to be multiple suitors.2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyOKemp: Padres physical turned up arthritis in both hips...Padres consulting with medical experts and determining how to proceed...perhaps we "Dodged" a bullet? http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/padres-to-acquire-matt-kemp.html2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogOver that last 24 hourse I've come to think more and more that this is a Denorfia move made early this year. This type of move is the right one and we gave up nothing we couldn't afford and Ruggiano doesn't block our kids if we want to cut him loose....but it didn't make us a lot better by itself.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogYou might argue that the natural progression of Romero or the emergence of Kivlehan results in a hitter of Ruggiano's quality. When looking at Ruggiano you almost have to throw out '12 as he BABIP'ed .401 that year. That was down to .260 in '13 then back up to .375 in '14! Weird, no? Anyway, I'm discounting '12 as his Figgins-outlier year and figuring we've got something between '13-'14. That might be something like .280-.333-.500 vL. He hit 11 homers in vL 213 AB's. He was ugly against RHP in '13 and competent in '14. Oh..he plays CF which Kivlehan and Romero don't. He gives us a RH homer presence vs LHP, which we sorely missed last year and the promise of not flailing vs. righties.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogHe most likely made us some better but there is a nother shoe to fall. It is possible that it is a 1B shoe as Morrison can survive in RF. Then your platoon is Morrison and Ruggiano. Unlikely, I think...as it is easier to find the LH hitting OF than it is to find a regular 1B, unless we want Smoaky back.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogI could see Aoki on a one year contract...or Rasmus on a two. I'm betting that we're not yet making Miller a fulltime/platoon RF'er. BTW, a cheap LHB we could get to come here is a dude named Carp. Cheap spaghetti. I would love squeezing Nava out of Boston, btw: Switch hits to the tune of .293-.385-.428 vR for his career. A perfect bat add. Very wishful thinking.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattI think we're out on Upton. I think we're now looking at guys like Nori Aoki2 months 2 weeks ago
John PierceGood call misterjonez. I am thinking B) and I like your analysis of Z&#039;s potential use of leverage. Man, would it not be nice if he was that sharp and devious?2 months 2 weeks ago
misterjonezIt does seem like Ruggiano is a platoon fit, which suggests that either A) Jack likes Miller just fine as a COF platoon partner (a stretch, to my mind, considering this is an 'all-in' type of year for the M's), or B) There is another move coming/simmering. I would *love* it if this was, as much as acquiring a 4th OF, a leverage move by Z in his discussions with ATL. The Braves have been trying to tack a few different players onto a J. Upton trade, and they're clearly not getting any takers. Seems like a good call on Z's part, but I might be seeing something that isn't really there.2 months 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyA good defensive LH OF with platoon issues should not be difficult to find. Be good insurance just in case Miller or Taylor stumble in ST, anyway. That's the minimum we should expect, I guess. Hoping for more.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogMust be one more add, Matt is right.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattSo assuming we're set with Taylor at SS and Miller platooning with Cruz and Ackley platooning with Ruggiano and Montero or Ronero filling in...with the rest of the bench being Bloomquist and Sucre...was the Saunders maneuver worth it?2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogSo it turns out that basically we had to top last year's 13th pick Trea Turner to get Souza, if we were ever interested (we should have been). We could have got there.2 months 2 weeks ago
merksThe Diamond Genius really did startup a furor last night. It's funny I like him a lot more on the radio than I do when he's writing or tweeting. I don't think Churchill would put information out there just for web hits but he's not a journalists per se where he needs to verify what his sources feed him. New Media/new rules.2 months 2 weeks ago
mojicianZduriencik has grown an expectation or two for Montero: http://m.mariners.mlb.com/news/article/103647920/mariners-gm-jack-zduriencik-praises-jesus-monteros-offseason-workouts If he can't be trusted with backup DH bench duties for lefty day, then he should probably be DFA'd2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattI said dh because against lefties, if we add no one else, Cruz plays right, Ruggiano plays left, and we need adh2 months 2 weeks ago
mojicianA right handed backup DH? The Boomstick doesn't approve of backups. :)P I hope they give Jesus Montero, Ji Man Choi and Kivlehan a chance this year as a revolving cast of first base benchies.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattI don't hate Riggiano, but 2014 was an outlier offensively and, when tasked with starting, Ruggiano floundered. This cannot be our last add unless Z thinks highly enough of Taylor to move Miller off of short...and even then, we need to add a rhb dh2 months 2 weeks ago
jemanjiHey Lonnie of MC - long time no mosh. If you get a chance can you email me? jeffclarke238 with the server being comcast net -2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82OTOH, I think this means we won't see a flyer on Guti, which makes me sad. Ruggiano takes Guti's role.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82Ruggiano has some very nice stats. Solid move here.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogExactly Lonnie, this is a Stars and Scrubs move.....with us acquiring a "scrub" with some decent pedigree. A complementary 3-position OF'er was always in need but Ruggiano doesn't fill the hole we have for a LHB in the OF. I'm not betting that it is Miller. I think we start with Miller/Taylor sharing the SS job and Miller getting the occasional 3B/2B start....and some in LF.2 months 2 weeks ago
Lonnie of MCI think everyone needs to lower their sights or else they are going to be sorely disappointed. The move this morning of Matt Brazis for Justin Ruggiano of the Cubbies was a nice move that will help bolster the team from the right side. Not a sexy move by any stretch, but Ruggs definitely has value. If anyone is interested, I've got something up on Ruggiano at MC.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroYes, but I think Souza profiles similar or better from here on out. Rays are doing well selling high (low?) here.2 months 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyMyers was ROY in MLB at 22. Souza was in AAA at 25.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroFrom early rumblings it sounds like the Rays are about rip off the Padres. Souza is a speedier and better defensive version of Myers, and it looks like the Rays want a lot more on top of that.2 months 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzlySo yeah, LoMo is with mojician2 months 2 weeks ago
MtGrizzly@CupOfLoMo: I heard my mom and her #BreakfastSamiches are in on the Wil Myers deal.2 months 2 weeks ago
mojicianDivish wrote that the new hitter would be better than Viciedo. While this sort of reporting is not as exciting as better than Upton, it has the virtue of being true. Ruggiano is far better than Viciedo. He plays all outfield positions, he's kind of fast, he's fit, and he rakes lefties. Viciedo is 240 lbs on paper (equals 240+ in real life), and doesn't hit lefties or righties particularly well and he runs and fields poorly.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattAgreed that Churchill is wrong far too often when he's working the rumors2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossMoj is talking about Churchill's hysteria this morning. He was passing along info passed to him by "sources" but if their stuff doesn't pan out are they actually sources? Since Jason has a history of passing along Big Info that turns out to be much smaller. Can't tell if he's doing it for hits and retweets or not. His sources on these things do seem to be less reliable than other media types, so I tend to stick with the beat reporters for breaking news and Jason is more for editorial content rather than reporting.2 months 2 weeks ago
mojicianRuggiano came from Johns and Dutton, and Ruggiano. Done deal. Those tweets regarding Wil Myers, and regarding a player between Upton and Harper on the bash-o-meter were definitely false tweets. I like that term, "false tweet" it sounds like a misdemeanor.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattIs Riggiano a false tweet? Our did that come from a reliable account2 months 2 weeks ago
mojicianI'm hearing rumblings that #mariners tweets not tweeted by Drayer, Dutton, Divish or Johns need to be regarded with deepest suspicion. #falsereport, #boywhocriedwolf, #fail.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogFlexibility is huge, King. That is true in terms of roster financial flexibility (which this still allows, as would two years of Smith) and roster/positional flexibility. A LHB COF add, as the finale, really allows that type of all-around flexibility.2 months 2 weeks ago
John PierceAckley has been pretty durable. The last three years, he has played in 153, 113 and 143 games. Plus he had a small power surge, last year, when he hit 14 HRs. With that said, Taro, are you expecting him to decline?2 months 2 weeks ago
KingCorranAnd by 2014, I mean 2016. *headdesk*2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogIf we get Smith (w/o giving up something young and sweet), the Smith/Ruggiano pairing is as good as bet as Melky would be at less than 1/2 the cost. And with Melky we still needed to grab the 2nd CF. This is the type of early complementary move the Giants usually make.2 months 2 weeks ago
KingCorranI like that this doesn't block us from the 2014 OF FA market. If this is a chess match and we're thinking 4 moves ahead, there's a lot to be said for preserving flexibility for a no-prospect-cost move next offseason.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossYep, Ruggiano cost us a fungible asset. I would have preferred a different reliever, but really: we can find relievers. We probably just drafted 2 more while I was typing this.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroAckley probably needs to be platooned so you can still acquire either handed OF. We'll see, but I'm not holding my breath on an impact add.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogThat's a good description, Gordon. I would prefer Souza...but this guy comes essentially free. Brazis is certainly a promising MiLB relief arm, but we hove those guys in spades. Ruggiano is the classic 4th OF as he can play all three positions and he's got a nice .266-.329-.508 career split vL. He does K, certainly. He is a potential nice addition. Does this mean Miller is no longer a SS? Or at least not the primary one and Taylor gets the ball? With Seth Smith then we would have a neat 25-man. Bloomie would be gone...In that situation I would give Romero the nod over Montero as BU 1B just because he's way more flexable. Right now it would be Ackley-Jackson-Ruggiano-Miller-Taylor-Seager-Cano-Morrison-Zunino-Sucre-Cruz. That's 11. We need one more guy that can play 2B/3B and a RHB 1B. One of those guys should be able to play COF, too. Then we are filled and flexable. Smith and Romero would get all that done.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossWe'll get more relievers, Spec, no doubt there. ;-) I just wanted Brazis available if we were gonna trade a major league reliever (like Medina). In fact, I would rather have traded Medina than Brazis. Now I assume the pen will stay relatively set (once we shake out the lefty thing, and find a place for Carson Smith... so maybe Medina is still in play after all).2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossAnd really: Saunders + Brazis + 5 million bucks to throw at another move, or Ruggiano + Happ? It only makes sense if you have a legit platoon in RF (something that Saunders wouldn't have been happy with) AND one that will outhit Saunders.2 months 2 weeks ago
SpectatorBrazis one of the unending spring-fed tap of RH relief guys that flow out of Jack&Mac's factory. Ruggiano's ISO 103 points higher vs. LHP (138 vs. 241!). But even tho he's 32, that's based on only 443 MLB PAs. So it's not carved in stone or anything. That being said, even Ruggiano's "bad" ISO (vs. RH) is an improvement over Denorfia and Endy.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossYeah, that's my worry Taro: that Ruggiano is losing his usefulness. He struck out 28% of the time against righties in 2014... AND against lefties. When you're K-ing 30% of the time against the arms you need to hit - that it is your ONLY useful skill to hit - I get worried that the end may be nigh. It may not be, and we're betting it isn't. But that better not be the last move. A Ruggiano/Jones platoon would sorta terrify me.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossSeth Smith is part 2 of that move, padna. I'll be pretty surprised if we don't now make that one.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroExtreme platoon player, history of mashing LHs, below-average defensive OF, showed some signs of decline in the 2nd half of the season. Will either be semi-useful in a platoon role or is finished due to decreasing contact. Still need a starting RF.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossThat said, if we'd traded Brazis for Souza I would have thought that was okay, so Ruggiano just needs to hit like his 2012 campaign and I'll be happy. ;-)2 months 2 weeks ago
SilentpadnaThis looks like a Beane-style move to me. Ruggiano would be nice plug and play 4th OF. I'm okay with this. A low-risk, moderate reward. Am hoping there's still something more and the Divish is wrong. "Rays working a 3-4 team deal" makes me wonder....2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossIMO, Matt Brazis was the best reliever we had left in our minors, and I had him ranked over Yarbrough. He was the next Dominic Leone and I expected him to "surprise" and make the pen in Spring Training (or at least be the first guy up). Cubs got a good one, IMO, in the vein of stealing Lord Farquhar. Hope Ruggiano can hit better than Denorfia.2 months 2 weeks ago
okdanI'm just happy that it's not Viciedo.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossMATT BRAZIS??? ARGH!! I WILL USE MORE PUNCTUATION!!2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyOAh the lot of the baseball fan. Wondering all night what trade was going down, only to find out it's Justin ^&*(% Ruggiano (with a tone similar to that of Tommy Lasorda in his famous Kurt Bevacqua rant). I'm sure Ruggiano is serviceable, though I don't really know.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossYeah, I would now expect Seth Smith. A Smith/Ruggiano RF would be a .835 vs lefties / .840 vs RHP platoon for about 10 million bucks. It leaves room for the minors guys to step into an OF role while giving us guys who are used to platooning and pretty good at it to pin down the position. As long as we add a Smith-like bat, I'll be okay with that. Unless the early age curve hits either guy, in which case I'll cry into my cornflakes - and await Kivlehan (assuming he hasn't been traded for either dude... which would be pretty bad...)2 months 2 weeks ago
okdanOne more correction (sorry, lots of contradictions between Drayer and Divish). Matt Brazis is going to the Cubs and Bawcom was DFA'd2 months 2 weeks ago
okdanCorrection: Ruggiano for Brazis AND Logan Bawcom2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossRuggiano's the older version of Souza's mid-range, I guess. Let's hope we didn't just trade for Denorfia again, but he should be fine in the role. Question is: is that it, or is there another deal in motion?2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyOMorosi confirms it's Ruggiano on Twitter. The guy's a late bloomer who still hasn't really bloomed? Platoon with MIller or Seth Smith?2 months 2 weeks ago
okdanDone deal: Ruggiano to the M's for RHP Matt Brazis2 months 2 weeks ago
okdanRuggiano in a platoon role with Miller is pretty "creative" wouldn't you say?2 months 2 weeks ago
okdanSounds like the Rays are trying to work lots of angles involving Myers.2 months 2 weeks ago
SpectatorRuggiano would fit the rumor profile, I guess. Souza now reported as part of Rays-Pods-Nats three-way discussions that Divish says M's are out of.2 months 2 weeks ago
SpectatorRuggiano at first glance: moderate power, strikes out a ton, looks like pretty good power vs. LHP (big platoon split in ISO), swiped some bags in the minors, but gets caught a lot in majors. Upgrade over Denorfia I guess but not much more. Kind of a RH version of the bad version of Saunders maybe. Never had a season with less than 23% K-rate. Share time with Miller spotted against LHP?2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogI can't see the Pirates giving up Marte. And that would be fairly "major." Souza???2 months 2 weeks ago
drmDidn't Byrd take the M's off his no trade list? I'm not sure you can take Bryd off the list because of that. Now, I've just seen Rugglinono from the cubs? Is he any good?2 months 2 weeks ago
SpectatorMarte had an OPS of .808 with 30 steals and is signed to a mid-priced deal thru 2019 with 2 option years. Maybe he's too "major" to fit into what Divish has heard, and maybe he's not gettable without Taijuan or KPax. Just poking around ...2 months 2 weeks ago
mojicianI liked the "better than Upton but worse than Harper" parameter better.2 months 2 weeks ago
SpectatorDivish says not "major" but better than Vicideo. There aren't tons of guys who actually played OF in the majors that fit that description (assuming RH also). I wondering maybe Starling Marte of Pittsburgh? M's were linked to him at the deadline.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossAll right people, I'm busy today - keep me informed via shouts about this whole mess. ;) I can't be scouring the web and twitter for updates. INFOTAIN ME!2 months 2 weeks ago
SpectatorLet's see ... Divish says flat out that M's not part of the Myers deal. Also says deal is less than "major" but not Byrd or Viciedo or the same names that have been recycling. No "big" prospects leaving. Interesting ...2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogBTW, hot off the MLBTR press: TODAY: If a deal is close, Crasnick says (links to Twitter), it is not for Marlon Byrd of the Phillies, who has not been approached about waiving his no-trade protection against Seattle. Likewise, while the Red Sox have discussed Allen Craig with plenty of other teams, there is “nothing brewing” on him at the moment (and no particular link to the M’s).2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogMyers is interesting: Young and exciting and we would probably give up Walker to get him, if that is the thing. His MILB #'s, btw, are no better than guys we have: Myers was .279-.369-.476 in AA. Kivlehan was .300-.374-.485 last year. In AAA Myers was .295-.372-.541, K'ing 26% of the time. Romero is .300-.347-.571 with 22% K's. Just putting him in perspective, mind you. Myers' dismal '14 was largely due to a weird vL crash/burn: .192-.259-..273. That can't occur again. Not possible. He's likely worth Walker, because he's a young long-term bat. I would do that deal. Gimme young bats if I'm giving up a young arm. But to tell you the truth, it's fairly likely we could get something like Myers by just plugging Kivlehan in out there. If we're trading for Myers, I'll bet you dollars to donuts we give up a young bat, too...and they add a piece. That would create the delay.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattGetting Myers would be a smart play...but less exciting. :) Lot of uncertainty with him, but it converts an excess asset (Walker) from our depth into an asset where we need it.2 months 2 weeks ago
mojicianWhat about Will Myers?2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattI would have Zduriencik's lovechild if he could actually get Bautista or McCutchen or similar huge asset.2 months 2 weeks ago
Tacoma RainHow about McCutchen? He can't cost that much more than Upton...2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogAccording to MLBT-R: 10:38pm: A deal involving Desmond is still a possibility, Chris Cotillo of SB Nation tweets. Desmond is interesting but very Zobrist-like (with less homer power). One year of Desmond, if that is it, better be cheap. I'm not giving up Miller or Elias or Walker for that either.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogZobrist is one year. I'm not giving up Walker for one year of Zobrist OR Upton. The natural bid would be Miller for Zobrist. I'm not doing that either. I like Zobrist, but he will be 34 in May, has seen a fairly consistent decline in Slugging over the last 4 years and his one year sin't worth any of the pretty pieces we have. If he's cheap, like Matt says, he a neat get. He isn't worth one of our arms or Miller or Taylor.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattZobrist, if he doesn't cost too much, would be cool by me2 months 2 weeks ago
KingCorranSounds like a false alarm on the Myers bit. But that probably means we keep Walker... and it SOUNDS like the Myers bit was separate from the 'deal imminent' bit.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroIf its part of the Myers deal, it could be Zobrist.2 months 2 weeks ago
BilboSounds more like Myers to Seattle and Walker to SD with other prospects to TB is what is in the works. 3 team trades are complicated to say the least so this may not have legs, but I&#039;d be happy with what is effectively Myers for Walker2 months 2 weeks ago
John PierceIs Myers considered better than Kemp? Because if he is not, why would Z trade walker for him, when he would not for Kemp? Myers shined the year he was called up, last year, not so much. I wouldn&#039;t mind the trade, two long term, cost controlled players, that fill the need of both teams. But then I remember Pineda for Montero, Then I&#039;m not so sure. ;)2 months 2 weeks ago
rjjuniorJust yanking your chain, moethedog, on the Souza posts. No worries. Churchill track record is not great when it comes to rumors so...2 months 2 weeks ago
KingCorranI'm going to stop just reposting what Churchill says. I'm not a huge fan of his analysis, but he does have an ear to the ground at times. If the M's really are involved in a 3-way trade with SD and TB where Walker goes to SD and we get Myers... this is like Pineda/Montero all over again. Robinson Cano, in a different sense. Wow.2 months 2 weeks ago
KingCorranChurchill says MYERS for Walker a possibility???2 months 2 weeks ago
KingCorranYou know, Doc, you're gonna be kicking yourself for publishing this most recent article if in fact Z DOES have a big fish on the line... not to mention one no one saw coming. He seems to excel at that... yet an hour ago, no one would have argued with the post anyways!2 months 2 weeks ago
KingCorranIt just can't be Gomez, McCutchen, Stanton, or Trout. Ridiculous names thrown out (here) and thrown out (in the garbage). Moving on.2 months 2 weeks ago
KingCorranChurchill says better than Upton, worse than Harper. Bautista? zobrist? cargo? Braun? Adam Jones (by his definition, not mine)? Can't see werth or holiday...2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogIf this isn't a deal that comes together easily it probably isn't a guy like Byrd, even though Crasnick is a Philly guy. Darin Ruf K's a lot but has hit 20 homers in less than 400 MLB AB's. But a guy like that shouldn't be too hard to deal to get. If it takes that long there may be several pieces to the trade. He has links to Boston. Victorino should be easy peasy. Craig? Werth in Washington is likely way too expensive. Interesting....2 months 2 weeks ago
malcontentI've been thinking it might be a good idea to switch Jackson and BJ Upton for that purpose (having a Justin Upton bargaining chip). With Austin Jackson looking like the latest bug to splat into Safeco, BJ might be as likely a bounceback candidate as Jackson is, so if it brings the asking price on Justin down, I'm all for it.2 months 2 weeks ago
Bat571Crasnick tweets it's a RH bat that hasn't had a lot of speculation about it - that doesn't sound like Upton!2 months 2 weeks ago
Bat571Dutton's reporting Upton's asking price may be more at the Diaz/Sanchez [Guerrero/Marte?-bat] level. Maybe Erasmo would be of interest as well? I'd certainly be in favor of a Erasmo-Diaz-Guerrero type deal even for the 1 year of Upton - we're now talking prospects, not key core pieces. I'd even do Erasmo/Guerrero/+ for both Uptons if the Braves pick up all but ~$5M/yr of B.J.'s contract - it would possibly help keep Justin past this year.2 months 2 weeks ago
Bat571Padres trying to get Wil Myers from Padres. MLBTR has Matt Wisler, Burch Smith, and R.J. Alvarez, all RHP, as targets, with C Austin Hedges also a possible target. Hedges is their #1 prospect by all 3 major rankings (BA, BP, MLB.com), while Wisler is #2 and MLB.com has Smith and Alvarez as #16 and #20. Wonder if Guerrero, Marte, Diaz, and Sanchez might be competitive if Wisler / Hedges is either/or ? Myers has been a bit of a disappointment in TB, but maybe not having to be a MAJOR piece, but just part of a young lineup might get him going?2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogOf the three, certainly Matt. I'm not prepared to give up much for a single season of Upton, however. Would he extend for another year? Inquiring minds want to know.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattUpton, Desmond, or Viciedo...that's the last of likely possibilities. Please let it be Upton2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogUpton? The Padres and Rays are in discussion on a significant trade that would send Wil Myers to San Diego in exchange for some of the Padres’ better young prospects, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter links). Rosenthal notes that it’s not certain whether a trade is particularly close at this time, but an acquisition of Myers would likely take the Padres out of the running for Atlanta’s Justin Upton.2 months 2 weeks ago
benihanaJerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick 10m ago - "Hearing rumblings that the #mariners are closing in on a trade for a hitter." - who's it gonna be? who's it gonna be?2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroLack of stop-loss is the biggest risk in not nabbing another OF. Playing players out of position makes your defense worse and increases injury risk. Once you plug Miller in RF, you don't allow for ANYone on your roster to disappoint or to get injured. The next men in line are Montero, James Jones or Romero. These guys have some potential, but could be absolute disasters as well. They combined for negative -2 WAR just last year. The downside of that scenario is immense. We just saw it last season and it cost us the playoffs. We need AT LEAST one OF, probably two. I'm tired of the excuses and boneheaded acquisitions. This is our window. We need to capitalize.2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyOWe can get Sousa REALLY cheap! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5bcpjUjLpU2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogAnd I still would get Souza!2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogDoc, I agree. I said that I would bet on all of those options, individually. I'm not sure the M's will, however. The funny thing about Aoki is that he won't really solve any of our "unknowns"......well, he would give us a lead-off hitter. But he doesn't solve the "unknowns" at CF and 1B (although Montero and Romero is a pretty good stable to be on hitting LHP). If we do that it is because it is the safe route. Insurance on our big Cruz buy. Me? Heck, I'm pretty sure that Kivlehan will produce the 100 OPS that Aoki likely will. But that is a bold route. Aoki has a reverse split, so you could still use him in a weird-unique platoon with Miller when the kid takes off. I read a couple of hours ago that some people think Aoki will get three years. Not from the M's! He might not get two from us. But Montero/Morrison and Miller/Romero/Kivlehan both work for me and are (IMHO) pretty safe bets. Will Z see it that way after his big Cruz buy?2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossIf Ackley or Morrison or Miller or Taylor have proven they can produce over a full season, I haven't heard of it. Jackson has had two poor years and two average ones out of his 5 as a big-leaguer. Zunino can't hit the Mendoza line. We've had a lot of REgression amongst our young hitters in their early campaigns, not PROgression. Can't have our whole season sunk if Seager takes a fastball off the wrist in May, y'know? I want to see surplus offensive production if everybody does what they should, not just "enough" production. I want a Miller breakout to make us into the 90s Indians offensively, not the 2014 KC Royals. I'm greedy. ;-) And so's Jack, since he still wants to sign someone...2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattIf we didn't demonstrate that we are willing to spend more on proven commodities...I would be fine with that job share, Doc. But we showed we were willing to pay to get something more bankable. Being reduced to hoping Montero and Miller can handle out-of-position needs is a let down.2 months 2 weeks ago
jemanjiMoe, nobody but Junior minds your pressing the Souza point :- ) … on the other Shout, it sez here: (1) LoGo being able to back up 20 games in CF seems like a 90% probability, (2) Montero hitting lefties is already a given, and (3) not sure why you need D.J. in the second half, given the first two points. :: shrug :: What *I* am missing is, what people dislike so much about a LoGo/Montero platoon to start the year. There will be exactly 2 positions at which the M's have unproven players.2 months 2 weeks ago
jemanjiYep. Will cheerfully agree that the M's overestimated their chances on landing one of their primary targets. But personally I'm not let down by the "fallback" safety net of a Logo-Montero type of platoon. If that was the "floor" scenario then I'm comfortable with the "dropoff" (sic). From where I sit, though, I don't know why they had to get so down on Saunders' work ethic. Sometimes they seem pretty old-school that way.2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyOI'm with both Taro and moe here in that (a) moving Saunders looks far less attractive now that we've so far missed out on a major RF add, (b) I don't trust Jack in his "creative" endeavors, and (c) barring a big add either now or in spring training, Aoki is starting to look like a good value move if for no other reason than to give us OBP at the top of the order. I just hate to see the M's playing musical chairs indecisively while the best available seats are all being taken.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedoghave I missed something here? If we stand pat and bring in nobody else we are structured like this: Our 2nd CF is Miller or Jones. Miller and Cruz could share RF in a platoon, with Cruz moving back to DH when we face RHP. Romero and Montero then become our RH 1B options, getting some time at DH when Cruz is in RF. Kivlehan or Deej is potentially up soon. Choi is there when Morrison DL's. Such a scenario is doable but it makes three assumptions: 1. Miller can handle CF 2. Either Montero or Romero hits lefties 3. The AAA guys will be ready early.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogIndividually, none of those are long bets. I would bet on any one of them. But would you bet on all three of them? With "unknowns" such as that, I won't be surprised if we look for a "sure thing" if we make just one move. Signing Aoki and his .350 OBP leading off, is probably the MOST SIMPLE sure thing out there. it wouldn't be my first pick, but because of it's simplicity (and affordability) it won't surprise me if we go that way.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroWould be nice to still have Saunders. I don't trust these guys to get creative.2 months 2 weeks ago
TaroI'm with Moe on Souza. Should be our primary target.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogSorry junior. I'm a one trick pony, I suppose. I'm not sure he's a HoF'er, but he sure looks like a guy who solves a COF/CF problem for us. He's got a solid pedigree, too. He's an unlikely get for us, admittedly. But we have things that Washington may need. Last year I was all over Van Slyke because of his upside and he solved our RHB COF/1B/DH problem in one fell swoop. This year it is the Washingon kid.....and Kivlehan. Hey, another post where I didn't say his name! :) Old dogs CAN learn new tricks it seems.2 months 2 weeks ago
jemanjiThanks for the shout there DaddyO, on several levels :- )2 months 2 weeks ago
jemanjiMoe can keep right on shoutin' … if and when Souza wins the ROY he can send us a postcard...2 months 2 weeks ago
rjjuniorWeird. A Moe posting without the word Souza in it. Must have hit Enter too soon.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogI read it Bat. I think Guti has some upside...but he has a huge downside, as in falling apart physically again. I don't think he's a guy you can sign and confidently pencil in to a critical role. Minor League contract (or a cheap MLB one) and let him prove himself. I think I wrote something like that in the Creative Options thread. I meant to, anyway. Unless we're in on some kind of Atlanta swap, we're down to FA's Rasmus and Aoki. I've been a Rasmus fan, as stated, but the more I look at it, Aoki as a leadoff hitter might be just fine, if the deal is right. He has no split issues, is a better than decent glove, and gets on base. We could do worse. Of course, it still leaves the CF hole we need to fill.....and the 1B one.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossWell. Varvaro would be coming home if he came over here, and would free up a reliever to go elsewhere, right? ;)2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogGordon, you're mostly right about Kivlehan and Deej in the wings, but the thing about Souza is his ability to play CF. He looks like he is going to hit and get on base....if he can play CF, too...he's a great guy to have. If Rios is only getting one year, Aoki is getting no more than two, btw.2 months 2 weeks ago
rick82Kendrys? Rios? Is the Royal strategy to sign bad ball players?2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyORoyals to sign Rios per MLBTR. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/royals-to-sign-alex-rios.html2 months 2 weeks ago
merksAnthony Varvaro has been designated and some of the Braves writers think he'll be packaged with Upton or Gattis soon.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossStill think he's looking for one piece. Maybe it's as simple as Smith and Guti. If Guti can't go (again) then we have Miller and Jones lying around. They ain't righties, but we'll survive somehow. ;-) This would still be easier with Saunders on the roster tho. That chasm between him and management might have been impassable, and I like Happ FWIW, but I'm still waiting on the sewn-up roster to finish my opinions.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossInteresting. I'm okay with skipping Rios, but we're running out of non-trade or non-homegrown options. I love Kivlehan, and was on board with DJ's drafting since before we drafted him. Either guy can play an OF/1B platoon shortly - but do we want it to be now, and without either man having a ton of time logged in the OF? Gonna be kind of like watching Ackey's first few months out there if we do. But why trade for Souza et al when we have stocked up on really good outfielders aimed at the bigs if we can just be patient? He'd need to be better, or allow us to trade what we already have. Not sure Jack trusts that... but he might have to.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossDiaz is a low-A arm. He's the equivalent of Chris Tillman when we made the Bedard trade. I think he can absolutely get us something interesting - but not by himself. And to the Braves, not with Marte either since they have no real use for him. I'd be fine with doing it, but I don't see it happening that way. :) And yes, we either need to plan on using James Jones or Brad Miller as our defensive OF and go get a Gattis type who can pound lefties and backup Zunino, or go get a Saunders type (which Souza fits into).2 months 2 weeks ago
merksRoyals signing Alex Rios. One year $11 million.2 months 2 weeks ago
Bat571Moe, look at my comments on Guti in the "Creative Options" thread - wadda ya think? Not that I wouldn't want Souza - but the rest of the options just don't float my boat. Basically, a healthy Guti, even with some limitations, might be the ideal bridge to the guys that are coming!2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogSomebody over on LL made the point that the natural platoon is in seattle already: Cruz in RF vs. lefties (and DHing the rest of the time) and Miller in RF vs. RHP. Interesting....I think the point has been made by Z or Mac that Cruz would play some RF. This fits that idea. It leaves us a 1B/DH short...one who would DH vs. lefties. Uh...Montero anyone. Or Romero, waiting for Deej of Kivlehan to get here. That's possible, I suppose...but we're still a CF short, unless it's Miller. Souza would solve a lot of this, btw. COF/CF/1B.....2 months 2 weeks ago
merksI think the Bowden thing is Edwin Diaz and Ketel Marte. Bowden last year called the Cano signing well before anybody else that I heard so you never know2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattIf we could really get Upton for Marte all of a sudden...WOOHOO!!!!!!!!...somehow I doubt it.2 months 2 weeks ago
jemanjiG-Money: these fine-grain takes on situations like Marte/Peraza continue to smoke, brutha...2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogUpton for Marte would be highway robbery on our part. We've got young SS's in spades. I'm in, if that is a honest-to-goodness possible deal. Cubs are sniffing around Rasmus it seems. In may ways, 2 years of Rasmus is a natural for us. In his 5 years he's OPS'ed .875, .695, .740, .893, .752 vR. So you can kind of bet that he's going to be .750-ish +, against RHP. Saunders was .781, .751, .831 vR the last three seasons. It's a wash, I suppose. I would prefer we get Souza, but Rasmus fits.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossHarper is never gonna be available while under club control. Maybe the last 3 months of it, I guess. Bowden mentions us in the Upton trade market again, throws Marte's name in the mix despite the fact that the Braves have essentially his exact twin in Peraza as one of their best prospects. It's pretty easy to see how Bowden got fired - or he's just trolling for views... a lot. Wouldn't mind sending them Gabe Guerrero and some stuff though. We're trying to keep Taijuan, Pax and DJ & still make trades. Not easy. Keep Kiv too! To that end, Smith works for me, but no I won't take Maybin too.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattAlthoguh...it looks like Smith is getting progressively more and more selective at the plate, resulting in better and better numbers against hard stuff (his value on fastballs is going up as he begins stalking fastballs, his O-sw and z-sw are both dropping rapidly and his contact rate is stable). Looks like a topspin hitter from the looks of his great disappearing popups. Maybe he's a better fit than I thought.2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattSmith is unlikely to translate well to Safeco. Doesn't hit the ball in the air enough to be a potent enough platoon guy and we'd have to be able to land a RH pair for him that is actually willing to platoon. The RH bats that are available in FA all want to start...except for Gomes who is terrible. Smith isn't going to help us. We need a full time starter or a guy who can not die a horrible death every time there's a lefty pitching...preferably a guy who gets on base and actually hits the ball hard.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogNo problem with Smith here, Gordon. He's not an Ethier-quality vR bat, but he's not coming off of a disaster year, either. Oh...he's significantly cheaper, btw. But he doesn't go play CF, which means the RHB platoon-guy we get to marry him to must play CF, as well. Can you say Souza? You might get Souza with Ackley. OK, add a MiLB OF bat, too. Then maybe you are there. Such a deal means that Miller becomes a COF, most likely. Souza plays 1B, too. We still don't have a 2nd one of those, unless it's Montero or Romero. We're we to sign Rasmus instead of Smith you could give Romero the vL AB's early and see what he's got. And I'm not quite sure what Bryce Harper's new contract means: is he signed for just two years or two year and then his arb cycle? I don't know. But I would sure send the Nats Walker for Harper.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossFrom MLBTR: "The Nationals recently offered the Mariners both Jordan Zimmermann and Ian Desmond in exchange for right-hander Taijuan Walker and shortstop Brad Miller, according to Rosenthal. However, the Mariners balked at giving up six years of Walker and five of Miller for just one year of Zimmermann and Desmond at a combined total of $27.5MM." Yeah, I can see that being a problem for us. They also say we're in on Seth Smith, which from a corner platoon POV is fine. I've said before that's an As sort of move.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossOr... y'know, Montero... *bitterbeerface* Boy do I hope his 8th chance is the one he makes good on, I guess. Of course, he can't back up at C except in emergencies any more. Can't play the OF (LoMo can probably run faster backwards than Montero can forwards, and LoMo is nobody I want manning a lot of OF either). Can't hit righties. But there's always a chance, right? Between Clement and Montero I'm done with terrible catchers who have power as their only calling card. Thank goodness Zunino is good at D.2 months 2 weeks ago
Gordon GrossThere are several teams in on Gattis, TR, who would fit that bill. But the Braves don't have a huge incentive to deal him yet. A Gattis / Upton trade gives us things we need, but I dunno that we're willing to offer what they want to make that happen. Our #5 prospect is quite a bit better than some other teams, if you consider Paxton and Walker "prospects." Just because Baseball America considers them out of the prospect category doesn't mean MLB teams do, and we're kicking suitors down that list a bit before they get to "acceptable" trades.2 months 2 weeks ago
Tacoma RainIs it time to look at back up catchers who can play RF or 1B??2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogAllen Craig, Matt. He's still there in Boston. He's likely available. There is interest. There are teams that think he's not done. It will likely be Rios, I think, but Crig will hit .300 again for somebody.Right now, however, our most pressing needs are a RF (regardless of handiness) who can play CF, too...and a COF/1B2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattI bet we did bid 4 years. I feel better now...can't do anything if the other side just doesn't want to play with you...Alex Rios it is.2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyO@moe ... Today, I salute you, sir. On Jan 6th, it's "Hey you!" :)2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogMuch appreciated Daddy. My last Mayoral day is Jan. 5th. After 6 terms I decided it was time to step aside. Hardest decision I've ever made. On Jan. 6th you rank me! :)2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyOMayors take precedence over retired peons like me!2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyOHah! Moe and me cross posted.2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyOhttp://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/white-sox-to-sign-melky-cabrera.html (see note at 4:24 pm)2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogBTW: Somebody was willing (according to reports) to go 4 years. Us?: 4:24pm: Cabrera rejected a four-year offer from an unknown team because his preference was to play for the White Sox, tweets CBSSports.com’s Jon Heyman.2 months 2 weeks ago
DaddyONow per MLBTR an unknown West Coast team did in fact bid four years for M.Cabrera, but he decided he preferred to play for the White Sox. Seems plausible that the mystery WC team was Seattle. That would explain a lot. Perhaps Jack signaled a fourth year was doable only to be signaled back that it just wasn't going to happen. If so, then Jack did do everything he reasonably could.2 months 2 weeks ago
moethedogThinking about Souza, I was scouring some Nats' sites and their Harper dissatisfaction was a topic of interest. In all seriousness I began to wonder if we were discussing the less likely Nat: If you could get Bryce Harper and change for Taijuan Walker and change would you do the deal? I don't know what to read into the Harper issue. Is it their version of our Saunders events? I love Souza, but why not make a bid for Bryce Harper. The upside is huge and you hope Cano, Seager and Mac can get him to grow up some. Young stud for young stud would get everybody's attention. Beyond that I will add this: Matt, Seth Smith is way cheap and his career vR numbers are ,277-.358-.481. He's all we hope that Ackley and Saunders would become, vR. He's doesn't hit LHP with a darn, but we could do worse with the bat. Endy for example. Alas, he doesn't play CF. Which makes him a less than likely fit.2 months 2 weeks ago
Bat571But trading for a younger, faster guy is a better plan than hoping.2 months 2 weeks ago
Bat571Hence my Christmas wish for Mr. Jones!2 months 2 weeks ago
SABR MattRios is, honestly, not a bad fit in the 2 hole either. Get a lefty who can play some CF to help out.2 months 3 weeks ago
Bat571Looks like Rios, to me. I thought he was a "for sure" 'til he switched to Boras and started laying low waiting for teams to get desperate to run up his price. Well, maybe that is working - I expect he'll get 2 years now and probably $10M a year, rather than the 1/$8.5M that MLBTR predicted. But, trying to be rational about it, a 2-year contract fits better with what's coming than a longer one. And, though his splits last year were pretty wide (much wider than his career split of .749 vR, .800 vL) , a .646 against RH wouldn't have been the worst OPS amongst Ms regulars, and the .898 vL would surely have helped! So, here's hoping for Rios, with a trade for a younger, faster guy to supplement. And a Christmas wish for Montero to be what he looked like he could be and for JJ to learn to hit the bendy stuff.2 months 3 weeks ago
MtGrizzlyYeah, it's probably down to the 1-2 year contract guys with platoon issues now. Rios makes the most sense, I guess. Byrd, maybe, as a trade candidate that won't cost Walker or Paxton. One thing is for sure - the club cannot afford to go into ST with Endy Chavez as one of the top 4-5 OF in camp.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattIf our offseason tops out at Aoki, Viciedo or Seth Smith, I'm going on a rage spree.2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaSounds like we weren't outbid. With nobody willing to go four years Cabrera took the offer closest to the east coast as he indicated was his preference. I would have gone 4. /shrug. Let's get Upton.2 months 3 weeks ago
okdanReally want to see the M's go after an OBP guy for that #2 spot now. Zobrist, Fowler, Seth Smith, Aoki. Someone like that. Really bummed we couldn't get Melky to sign on the dotted line.2 months 3 weeks ago
DaddyOAlso, if this triggers Viciedo coming to the M's--- (apodosis omitted, just like in Genesis 3:22, with the same significance).2 months 3 weeks ago
DaddyOLooks like the M's just couldn't resist the urge to repeat last year's Cruz mistake, shooting themselves in the foot instead of making an obviously needed roster-completing move, all over a relative pittance. Granted this time they got Cruz before doing so, but in the end you can't help but wonder if next offseason we'll be looking back at this as a the gaffe that kept on giving all year, the mistake that cost us the playoffs.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogWe didn't get Melky BECAUSE we already had Cruz. This is a conservative FO and two 4 year/$50M FA's was very unlikely. There may be a fair argument in considering whether we should have just went and got Melky first.2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82Outbid by the ChiSox. Why didn't they go more? If I had to guess, I think we're gonna see that Upton deal. Failing that, apparently the M's are more bullish on Romero than we thought. And why not. In 526 AAA ABs he's batted .300 with 23 HRs and 110 RBIs, and we aren't talking Salt Lake City or Colo Springs. He's had his first exposure at the big league level last season so that's out of the way. He and Miller can sting the ball from opposite sides. The M's must really like their talent - enough to hold firm on what was still a darned competitive offer and meanwhile discuss the ability to go creative in the OF if necessary. But I think they've got an good offer on the table for Upton, and may be prepared to sweeten it. Lloyd said we need two bats. He wouldn't have said it if it weren't a preordained priority I don't think it takes Walker to get a one year rental. It would probably take DJ, Marte, and Hultzen or Sanchez.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattThis is really...really dumb. Letting Cabrera go top Chicago is AWFUL baseball by Zduriencik. The best option left is a Rios/Rasmus platoon2 months 3 weeks ago
GLSI agree with Taro. Holding out on the 4h year for Melky makes very little sense to me.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroSigh....will be pretty ticked off if the Ms dont find a legitimate starting RF. And I don't consier RIos or Vicieco legitimate options.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroSo we go four years for Nelson Cruz's age 35-38 seasons, but can't go four for Melky's 31-34 seasons. . Completely don't understand it. I we were picking one, Melky was the better choice.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroI'm not a fan of any of the alternatives the Ms are rumored to be interested in.. Rooting for Aoiki on cheap in the OF at this point.. Still want Souza but not holding my breath.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroFrustrating that we weren't willing to go four.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogWe could do worse than 2 years of Rios and 2 of Rasmus, btw. The former seems more likely now, doesn't he. I would still Souza, and wouldn't mind giving up Ackley to get it done. As well, I have no doubt that Kivlehan is ready by June. All the same, two relatively affordable/complementary veterans seems about right. A reminder: We need another guy who can play 1B (Morrison isn't a great bet to avoid injury) and we need that 2nd CF. Which one are you betting on there: Rasmus or Souza or Miller?2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogAnd here we go: Who's the next guy on our list? MLBTR.... The White Sox have agreed to terms with Melky Cabrera on a three-year contract, 670thescore.com’s Bruce Levine tweets. The deal is pending a physical. Cabrera is a client of the Legacy Agency. I didn't think he wanted to come to Seattle.2 months 3 weeks ago
IcebreakerXMelky to the South Side.2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82Three U.S. born blacks out of a 40 man roster is actually pretty standard. Looking over previous M teams, it isn't out of the ordinary at all. The 80's had rosters that doubled the number, but not always.The 95 M's had two: Griffey, Vince Coleman. The 2001 team had Cammy, Rhodes, Al Martin, McLemore. It just seems like there used to be a lot more. Perhaps that's because such a high percentage of HOFers over the past 50 years were U.S. born blacks. Seems they once dominated the game. But even the 68 Cards had Brock, Flood, Gibson...and that's it. But they dominated the game.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI notice that a big chunk of the guys in baseball who are african american play CF. I find that interesting.2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82Austin....right, Bat. Thanks!2 months 3 weeks ago
Bat571I agree, Matt - getting Souza at this point, even though he's blocked in Washington will require either an overpay, or taking an unwanted contract back. But I'd still do Ackley and Medina for Souza and Leon in a heartbeat, even if it's an apparent overpay. Steamer has Souza at a .777 OPS, while they have Seager and Cruz at .767 and Morrison at .757 and Melky at .770. Cano is projected at .821. Yes, Souza would slot in nice between Seager and Morrison!2 months 3 weeks ago
John PierceThe excitement generated for Souza must be based on his impressive minor league stats and not on his really, really short, unimpressive, stint in the majors. I am not sure Z would be interested in someone like Souza to finish filling in the big league roster.2 months 3 weeks ago
Bat571Rick --I believe Austin Jackson is African-American as well. That gives the Mariners 3/40, which is 7.5% - about in line with all the other clubs. I agree there should be more, but the facilities, equipment and opportunities for high-level play have to be there also in their teen years - and in the "cold-weather" states that's a problem for all races and groups. The YMCAs and heated/AC'd basketball courts are much more inviting year-round.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattagreed GLS...I just think Souza is unlikely. He will cost a LOT more than VIciedo would.2 months 3 weeks ago
GLSThe thing about Viciedo is that he'll likely never be more than what he is. As a platoon player, he has some value if used correctly, but Souza has the upside to be a legitimate plus player.2 months 3 weeks ago
GLSTwo outfielders: 1) Melky and 2) Souza. I'd be pretty happy with that going into the season.2 months 3 weeks ago
John PierceDo we need more than Melky or somebody like him? Miller is the wild card that could fill in that 4th OF spot. Re-sign Chavez to go along with Bloomquist and you have a real versatile bench that could adequately fill in all the positions. Or not. ;))2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Matttrade them Medina for Viciedo and sign Cabrera...we're locked and loaded.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattZduriencik reportedly wants to add two outfielders. If he'd like to get us both Viciedo and Cabrera, I could live with that.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattIn the 20s through the 50s, the game of choice for young black men in the cities was baseball. In the 60s and 70s it became basketball and football and has never looked back. Meanwhile, the kids (especially the poor) in the Caribbean and certain parts of Central and South America are now playing either baseball or soccer. Societal forces being what they are...the game will continue to get increasingly Hispanic as white baseball players begin to be distracted by soccer and lacrosse.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattat the present time, the game is 7.8% black, 2.2% asian, almost 40% Hispanic2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82James Jones and Taijuan Walker are currently the only African Americans on our 40 man roster (happy to be checked on this). The demographics of this game have really shifted.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI think Melky wants to feel wanted.2 months 3 weeks ago
okdanI think Melky wants to come here and play with Cano and Cruz. But he's holding out for that 4th year, because he'd feel embarrassed perhaps if he was only worth 3, when his two buddies got much more. He is 4 years younger than Cruz, after all.2 months 3 weeks ago
GLSI would just give Melky the 4th year. I'm not sure why it's an issue for a player that's been a pretty solid hitter for his career and can actually play an outfield corner. Granted, he's not winning a gold glove out there, but he can play the position.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattmerks - yes2 months 3 weeks ago
merksSo is it a coincidence that the M's are loading up on Dominican players as there DR Academy gets rolling or are they trying to create some kind of recruiting, symbiotic thing?2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI'm bored, Z. Sign Cabrera, please.2 months 3 weeks ago
Bat571Last year is a QO or a $4M buyout; then he chooses which way he wants it. then at Cruz's level, which the Ms have said they're looking at, it's $46M guaranteed, and $56M+ if he deserves and takes the QO. Put a signing bonus on it to sweeten and let's go!2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattCabrera had said he wanted to stay east if he could...but all the east coast teams are ignoring him...so now he's choosing between KC, Seattle and maybe Texas.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI think what Melky wants is the best contract he can get...and so far...that's Seattle's...but he's trying to get them to go up a little more.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogInteresting: I think it sounds like Melky doesn't want to head to Seattle. If he wanted to he would be here....Things may change.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroWhat I love about this is that it sounds like Melky WANTS to got to Seattle. We just need to offer him something reasonable.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattall of those options should be on the table. Let him choose.2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaI'd even do a vest / player option. 4th year vests with 500 appearances but player can void, sell it as a win-win.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroJust give him 4 years guaranteed with lower AAV while hes on the ledge. 4/$50 seems fair. He could be worth another qualifying offer at the end of that deal. :-)2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Matthe keeps saying he wants it guaranteed. If he really must have it guaranteed...I'd do it...but if you can sell him on "but you'll trigger this no problem dude...seriously...it's easy...we're just covering our butts in case you have something completely catastrophic happen...so if you get 400 PA in 2017, 2018 is triggered...cool?" then I'd start with that.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedog500 PA's in year 3. How's that.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattSounds like Cabrera is leaning hard in our direction and just checking to make sure no one else wants to play.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattagreed...if Cabrera is now "seeking 4" instead of "seeking 5" that means we're winning. Sounds like no one is offering four right now. All we have to do is give him a 4th year vest with an easy lid.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroThank you Cano. Seems like a matter of time. :-)2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaRojas reporting the M's have offered Melky a 3 year deal and he's looking for a 4? I agree with Colin O'Keefe that this sounds like a leak from Melky's camp saying "going... going...?" - Melky at 3 years would be a coup, heck 'give in' and give him a vested fourth year with 500 plate appearances in year 3.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattThis is why you get your air craft carriers in first...so they can sell your club to other good players. :)2 months 3 weeks ago
MtGrizzly@RyanDivish: Cano said he's spoken briefly to Melky Cabrera about signing with the Mariners. And told him how much he and Cruz could help the team2 months 3 weeks ago
gnattoI&#039;d do that in a second... which means it&#039;s probably not an even trade.2 months 3 weeks ago
Bat571Add Medina to the deal for their bullpen?2 months 3 weeks ago
Bat571Washington still needs a 2B and some bullpen help. Still have dreams of getting Fister back, and thoughts of how nice Souza would fit on the 2015 club. If the Nats really want to dump Desmond, maybe there's still a deal in there? Fister, Desmond and Souza (both ML guys on one year deals left) for Ackley, Marte, Ramirez, and Guerrero +? (Guerrero as their Werth replacement in 2017?) Wonder what it would really take? I wouldn't do Paxton or Walker, but maybe Happ along with the others? If Melky and the Ms can meet at 4 years at Cruz-type pay, it would be nice.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogI'm in on that whole scenario. Find me that CF/RF/1B type of guy now to go along with. BTW, if Bloomie isn't locked in at utility/25th/play everywhere guy, we could have used one of those guys. Actually could be our own Romero, if he sees 2B and 3B time in ST. Even with Miller as McClemore we still need another guy who has an IF's glove.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattagreed Bat...was just talking about 20152 months 3 weeks ago
Bat571I want Miller to do a Yount - move to CF when Jackson leaves (supersub 'til then to get reps) and win some GG out there, while hitting the way he's showed he can.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI want Miller as supersub...SS/3B/2B/OF.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogMuch of our OF speculation is dependent on Miller's role in '15 and beyond. It seems the M's think his footwork issues are serious enough to mean he must move off of SS, at least as a primary position. I can live with that as a transition to OF should be of no real challenge to him. So he goes to the OF. In '15 that would likely mean that he's the 4th OF and a BU SS. Lots of starts available as such, especially if he comes out of the OF blocks with some CF skills. If that is the Miller role, then Seth Smith/Rasmus talk is unneeded. But we still need that RH OF bat. Actually I would prefer we get a Smith/Rasmus guy AND Souza, still keeping Miller as an OF. It's Ackley I worry about. But whoever we get needs CF skills. Souza is going to be good. Kivlehan, too. Add miller to that group and you have a nice OF going forward.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattdon't really care about defense as a value floor. If you don't hit, I don't want you.2 months 3 weeks ago
okdanIf I remember right, Taro called his shot on Seth Smith several years ago, hoping the M's would target him. Looking at Souza, is he a similar kind of player? Perhaps that type of player template has a higher degree of working out. Certainly Souza's defense provides a nice floor of value in case his bat doesn't play as well.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroMontero's 2011 line in AAA for example was projected for a .261/.312/.435 line by ZIPS. He basically hasn't improved at all since then. Given his career line is .258/.302/.396 thats pretty close regressing for Safeco.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroBasically Montero was all projection, whereas Souza is good NOW with projection beyond that.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroI was huge on Montero's potential, and I was wrong. But to be fair Montero never put up the MLEs that Souza did. Souza projects as a 2-3 WAR player NOW based on what he did in AAA. Montero never did, he was incredible based on age related performance at his level and had massive power upside. But he never performed as well as Souza. His MLEs were in the 0-1 WAR range and he just never got better from there. Souza RIGHT NOW is above-average player. Montero never was.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogI'm with Matt: Rios and Rasmus would be delightful! I'm with Taro: Souza will indeed be a player. But you could probably get both Rios and Rasmus for what Melky will cost per/year. 2X$8-$10M (with an option year) for Rasmus and something similar for Rios. Or just do Rasmus AND Souza, making all or us happy. You can get Souza fairly easily and sign Rasmus and have money to spend. Souza, btw, plays 1B, too. LoMo will need some breathers.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattHow much did you love Jesus Montero before we traded for him?2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroJust think Souza is a player. I like his combination of athleticism, swing, and performance.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattRomero, Montero, Smoak, Peguero, Balentien, Clement...so...so many more. So many you won't possibly remember them all. And all but a scant tiny fraction of them have panned out. And that is not unique to the Mariners. There is a massive zero gravity moon step difference between an awesome AAA hitter and a proven major leaguer. All players have risks...but some are less risky than others. And for the record, Cruz's home run power transcends Safeco rather easily...and his hitter's park in Baltimore...has a mediocre at best HR factor to left. So...yeah...not worried about Cruz.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattTaro...love your insights and all...but how many guys have we promoted in the last 12 years who had great minor league numbers?2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroEvery player you roster has some risk involved, included proven MLBers. Cruz will be a RH backspin 35 year old slugger with a career sub .330 OBP in hitters parks, and we've signed him for 4 years. I'd be more nervous about him than Souza in 2015, and especially beyond that. Souza has the performance in the high minors combined with insane athleticism. I think hes underrated due to being a football convert and a late bloomer.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattyou don't take that sort of risk when this is the best chance you have of winning the WS. Souza can be a fourth outfielder option...not a starter.2 months 3 weeks ago
GLSSouza is a risk, but a pretty good one.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattSouza is not reliable. That's not sufficient to this moment.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroI'm thinking Melky would want 'at least' 4 years gauranteed if hes looking for 5. If Ms stay hard at 3 they won't land him, vesting option for 4th or not. Just give him 5 with a lower AAV. 5/$55 or something in that range. Or deal for Souza (my favorite option).2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattRasmus and Rios would be a fine platoon with CF helper potential and would be cheaper than Cabrera. I like Cabrera better even with more money involved, but Rios/Rasmus would also be fine with me.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossRios and Rasmus would be... extensive. By himself I'm not huge on Rios. A Rios/Rasmus platoon would be damaging. Playing with brass knuckles. I hope the Ms take the velvet gloves fully off this offseason. Zduriencik has waited half a decade to wade into the fight with fists flying - let's make it worth the wait. I'm fine with making Beane cry into his collapsing-budget cup o' coffee.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattRasmus. If you get Rios and Rasmus, the outfield aligns OK2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogThe Rios card might not bluff the Melky team guys: In '12 Rios was a heck of a player. In '11 he was a dud. In '13 and '14 he was basically a split heavy .280-.320-.420 guy with a pretty scraggly glove. There doesn't seem to be much Rios market out there right now, which might be a neat quality. You could probably get him for 2 years and not break the bank. Over the last two years Viciedo has hit RHP at a .738 and .689 clip. Rios has hit at .714 and .646 rate. Just saying. But he does continue to beat lefties up, so as a 4th OF-paired with Ackley, as Matt suggests, Rios would be great. He's been at .889 and .898 vL the last two years. That's rip-roaring. But it means that you need a RF who can play CF, as Rios no longer does.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogRios and Miller would be a neat combo, perhaps. If the hint that we had interest in Seth Smith is true that might also be a place to go. Smith and Rios would be an interesting tandem. But you're still a CF short. Smith is what you hope Ackley becomes. And he's cheap for 3 years. But unless it's Jones, Miller or Endy...we need a CF glove to go with the one we've got. Bloomie? No thanks...2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattWouldn't mind also getting Rios to pair with Ackley2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiYep that 5.7 RC/27, delivered game-in game-out, is looking pretty sweet. Good Kendrys plus wheels2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI hope that's what they do...I want Melkman.2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiMatt: exactly. Gotta leave the face-saving buffer space to sweeten your "ultimatum."2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiGood call on Desmond there Taro … is trending down … trends aren't the absolute (I'll take a Cano, even if trending down, over Franklin age 26) but Dr. D and the HQ mouse in his pocket agree.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattyes, true. "Look...you're not going to get ifve years guys...but maybe we can do four if the fourth is a vest for 130 games played in 2017 - deal?"2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiPuts them in a position tho to close the deal. "We're going to go with Rios. If we did an easy vesting option on Melky for the 4th year, would we be getting close? Gotta decide tonight."2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattgrrr...nails on a chalkboard if it's true that the Mariners won't go past three years for Cabrera. That's just dumb.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Matthm....I always thought Elsa was the principle villain of that movie until Anna made her see the light. :)2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiIce Palace, conjured out of nothing, like Frozen. A lame homeowner but a dazzling jewel box to display the protagonist in2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattthis should be fun...beni is killing it over there...giving us a palace to live in.2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiThanks go to Ben there Matt … where you, Gordon, and Spec are on the front page, that's pretty much up to you and Ben … I'm flexible. I loved the bottom row on his bidness site but I think he has an even better idea2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossThat's quite a layout Benihana is putting together. VERY swanky, and only gonna get swankier from the looks of things (and from some of the potential plug-ins like a chatroom for games or whatnot). Lookin' good!2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI'd go ahead and give Melky the fifth year if he'd take 60 mil. 5/60 is cheaper than 4/542 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattWow...love the general look and feel of the new site, Doc...where would your co-contributors be features in a site designed like that...in the menu bar below the front panel?2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiPreview Benihana's artistry at www.detect-o-vision.com. Desmond HQ'able at old drdetectovision WordPress2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossBTW, if Melky is seriously looking for a 5/60 deal and no one will go beyond three... give him year four, call it 4/50 and take an offseason victory lap. That's cheaper over 4 years than CarGo is over 3. Boras is just gonna jerk us around over Rios, and I'm not in the mood. Glad that Dutton thinks we're cool on Desmond and on Taijuan+ for Upton. Gimme my bat and let's break for a celebratory dinner.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossDesmond loves to swing for the fences, and that's a tough row to hoe in Safeco as a righty glove infielder. I'm fine with Melky, or with CarGo from the Rox for moderate pieces. I'd be fine with Rasmus and Souza. I'm NOT fine with Viciedo. I like the Rule 5 kid, and am glad we've gotten Seager extended, Cruz signed and I'm even good with Saunders for Happ depending on what we do after that. Still got that large and looming hole in RF, tho... let's not fall back to some of these worthless positions, shall we?2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroEnough with these Miller for Desmond rumors and Viciedo…. Enough. We should be talking to the Nats about Souza, but I'm giving up on that as there are rumors pointing to it. Just sign Melky, and end the madness.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroDesmond is trending down. 4 years straight of declining SwS% and contact rate. His K rate jumped last year and AVG took a hit. In fact his BABIP was lucky in 2014 compared to his historical rates (jump in pop ups, decline in LDs). SS defense declining. Class buy high scenario and profile of a player that is aging early. HUGE NO. Makes no sense whatsoever. I would not even be confident that he'd be an upgrade in 2015 over Miller with the league switch and Safeco (which is a horrible match for his swing).2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossThe Royals let Billy Butler go to the As for 3/30 and then their replacement plan is... 2/17 for Kendrys? I mean, it saves you 1.5 mil a year, but really? Betting on the rebound, I guess, or they REALLY thought Butler was done.2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82Heh, we gave them Morse, we gave them Rendon, we took Morse off their hands. We pretty much handed them Fister. That good catcher they have? - I remember when he was a consolation prize in trade talks with Minnesota. We wouldn't pull the trigger and they swooped in and got a very good catcher. Didn't they have Raffy Soriano at one time? I want something good in return from that franchise for all we've done for them. And I'm not talking the next old version of Jose Vidro.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossWe already gave Rendon to the Nats - I guess we're just trying to help out around the rest of their infield.2 months 3 weeks ago
drmMaybe it includes an OF? I really don't get the M's trading for a SS. I feel like these rumors all come from the other teams because the M's don't talk. It's kind of annoying,all these trade rumors so lopsided against the M's.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossDesmond and Souza for Miller (and a relief arm, I assume) might have some traction. But the Desmond thing seems to be picking up steam.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattDesmond for Miller would be world class stupid.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossThe rumor mill is very insistent on this Ian Desmond for Brad Miller thing. It does seem like it's Washington pushing the deal to get Miller (per Rosenthal and others who are probably quoting Rosenthal). It's nice to have players other people want, for once.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogKivlehan will likely be ready (me talking) by the time we would call him up early, give him 40 Tacoma games, or so.....SF just won a WS with Joe Panik playing an core role: Is his pedigree (at this point) any better than Kivlehan's> Give me a RF who OPS's anywhere north of 105 and we will be fine. Pay $57M to get 130 from Melky. I want that RF bat, too. But we could do with a Rasmus type and then Kivlehan, when he's "ready."2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossI'd be trying to pawn Viciedo off on somebody too if I were the ChiSox. It had better not be us unless there's a genius plan at work that requires some sort of ritual sacrifice.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossKivlehan&#039;s not ready. I&#039;m tired of throwing guys who aren&#039;t ready and haven&#039;t seen enough pro pitches up to the bigs and watching them struggle for the first 2-3 years of their careers offensively because they&#039;re not ready. Seager was a success. But Zunino? Should be getting to the bigs now, MAYbe. Ackley was rushed to his detriment. Same with Romero. I don&#039;t want Kivlehan to be the next Romero. We can&#039;t afford that # of squandered ABs.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattGlad to hear from Divish and Dutton that this Viciedo thing is likely from them, not us. Viciedo is TERRIBLE.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI am not pinning this season on Kivlehan. I'm a big Kivlehan fan, but I'm really gosh darned tired of hoping we can win if our rookie with not very much high minors time can miraculously land with a splash.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogRasmus/Kivlehan : How about that? Viciedo hits lefties and that has value...but as I've pointed out, he must be part of a deal that includes a lefthand bat who plays CF. If that isn't Miller, then it's somebody we get. I've said all along that I wouldn't kick if we just told Kivlehan, "Hit the ball!" But even then, we need the other CF, unless it is Jones, who I'm not in on.2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaSantana to Minnesota 4/$54. I love me some J.A. Happ.2 months 3 weeks ago
drmMaybe James Shields?2 months 3 weeks ago
mojicianWhat are the Tigers doing? They haven't signed Scherzer, who is a 220 inning per year free agent, and they just traded Porcello, who is a 200 inning per year man. What if Scherzer doesn't come back? The Tigers' rotation will be Verlander and Price and then roll the dice. Or something.2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaBob Dutton tweeting Viciedo talks have cooled. Divish indicating that interest last year and likely now stemming from Chicago not the M's.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossColby Rasmus is the only guy who comes to mind, since he hits righties pretty well, can play D when he wants to, and is deficient against same-handed pitching (.650 OPS vs. lefties, .790 vs, righties). But why Viciedo as the other half of that kind of platoon?2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossThe ONLY way that makes even a bit of sense is if they're bringing in a good-fielding lefty OF and they're gonna platoon RF. Who would that be? Aoki doesn't mash righties (in fact, hits better against lefties for his career, so why platoon him?), Ichiro can't hit righties AT ALL now... who would be the left-handed RF in question who's worth a platoon with the otherwise-useless Viciedo?2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossViciedo is a replacement level player, literally. There's no good reason for that to be our final add. He'll probably make a little less than Saunders will, but not a lot less, and Saunders is the far superior player. Being able to hit lefty pitchers decently is only useful for about 150 at-bats a year - I don't want to pay him $3+ million for that solitary skill. There would have to be another move there, and I don't see what it would be. I'll be pretty ticked off too, Matt.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattYou will never have seen me so angry about the Mariners if their second big move is Viciedo. Bullcrud.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Matt#$%^&($^%&()#$^%&()$^%&(*)$#^%&()%R$^*()#$%^&*()$^&(*) Mariners and White Sox in "serious talks" regarding Viciedo. The thing we'd give up would be a reliever. This completely and totally blows.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattto get all the pitchers on here...we will have to carry a THREE man bench...not four. Because the bullpen will have eight guys in it.2 months 3 weeks ago
SpectatorHad to double check myself here. Lucas Luetge in 2011 was ALSO 24, ALSO in AA, ALSO had been previously drafted by Z, ALSO struck out 32 lefties and ALSO walked just 6 lefties (though he faced 112 instead of 86), and ALSO gave up just 3 XBH to lefties (though his were all doubles). Freaky.2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaMasterson will earn $9.5MM plus incentives. I ain't sad about getting J.A. Happ, not sad at all. And Matt, the M's are gonna have to run a 4 man bench with one spot taken up by back-up catcher. Miller/Taylor, Willie B, gotta have guys there that can go everyday and play multiple positions. Another reason why Saunders wasn't a fit. Can't afford to take days off with such a short bench.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattRollins..interesting choice...not sure how we're going to cram all these pitchers onto the roster.2 months 3 weeks ago
SpectatorRollins faced 86 LH hitters in 14 at AA, struck out 32, walked just 6 and .065 ISO-against (2 doubles, 1 HR). Can't argue with that.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossIf you want a cheat-sheet, then Rollins = lefty Farquhar. Much like Danny gets a bit too in love with his cutter when he doesn't need to, Rollins can be a bit too happy to throw a changeup or slider and keep dudes around in games. But the stuff is there, and the arm is live. IMO, a good and cheap pickup by Jack to fill a hole, if one of the best pens in baseball has such a thing as a hole.2 months 3 weeks ago
SpectatorNo M's got taken in the major-league phase.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossI wondered if we were gonna steal a lefty in the Rule 5 to add to our pen options from that side. Rollins is a cheap bet, especially with a slider that gets really good marks and an up-to-mid-90s heater. I've only seen him throw a couple times, but he looks hard to pick up. If you're gonna get a LOOGY, get one with a killer breaking ball. We've got a couple options there now. I like the bet. He should explode with only a pen role to worry about.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossLara is probably a better 1B prospect than Alex Liddi was... but no, I don't expect anybody to jump on him. Ogando shouldn't go anywhere. He can't throw strikes yet, and you can't carry him long enough to work that out (unless it's a Matt Thornton situation I guess). Pries could probably hurt us the most simply from a pitching depth perspective in the upper minors, but nobody's really at risk this year. Without trade, IIRC next year will be a different story. Blash might go, just for a look. Be like someone stealing Peguero.2 months 3 weeks ago
SpectatorOops. Haste makes waste. Padna was right. M's drafted Rollins in 08 and 09, not 09 and 10. For the Record.2 months 3 weeks ago
SpectatorM's take David Rollins, LHP from Astro org. in Rule 5 draft. They actually drafted him twice in 09 and 10 in the regular draft, but he didn't sign until picked by BlueJays in 11. Oddly enough, went to Houston in the trade that sent J.A. Happ to Toronto. Numbers are fairly interesting at first glance, but not one of the guys Baseball America listed, even as a lefty specialist. Jon Sickles had him listed under "others." Just so ya know.2 months 3 weeks ago
SilentpadnaM's pick up Rollins from the Astros in Rule 5. 3rd time's the charm I guess after drafting him twice ('08 and '09)...2 months 3 weeks ago
benihana2 years 17-18.5 million for Morales. No thank-you.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattnice pick-up for the sox after trading for Porcello...their rotation of the Wade Miley thing goes through would be basically 5 #3s.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattooooh my...the Royals signing Morales to multi-year deal??? that is sooooooo bad2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaMasterson to Sox, Morales on a multi-year? deal to KC. Ha.2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaDon't Panic. Unless of course panicking means signing Melky. Then go ahead. Panic.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroI think the Dodgers and Red Sox did great here.2 months 3 weeks ago
SpectatorRule 5 draft coming up soon. Baseball American sez Steven Baron or Jochi Ogando could get picked from M's. No great loss. We've got plenty of RH pen options ahead of Ogando. Baron is a bust. Predicts that eligible Jabari Blash and Jordy Lara won't get picked since too far away from helping on an MLB roster. Lara isn't really a prospect in my book anyway though I know he has his fans. I could see someone taking a longshot look at Blash since that kind of raw power doesn't come around every day. FWIW.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattZ can't keep sitting on his hands...we need to get something done here.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattTigers also talking to the Reds about getting a replacement starter.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattdone deal...Cespedes goes to the Tigers.2 months 3 weeks ago
okdan$31M going back to the Padres. And now I'm seeing rumors of Cespedes to DET for Porcello??2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattKemp to San Diego done...salary agreed2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiWhich is typical Mo' Dawg, the quick extension. Article up bro. Deal, if any, would probably hinge on signals from Zim camp.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogWalker = Zimmerman only if there are years added to Zimm's contract. One and done isn't good enough.2 months 3 weeks ago
misterjonezI thought the Dodgers acquisition of Rollins was basically a done deal? That team keeps taking on salary; it makes me wonder when they're going to finally shed some of their existing payroll. That Markakis deal makes Ethier slightly more movable, which strikes me as kind of bonkers.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattDodges were supposedly close to landing Rollins as well...so they fixed their middle infield...sort of.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattso it's a three team trade...Dodgers get their 2B...Angels now have a massive hole on their infield...color me confused.2 months 3 weeks ago
merksLooks like the Angels are acquiring Andrew Heaney from Dodgers for Howie Kendrick. Dodgers have been busy today.2 months 3 weeks ago
misterjonezRight. But the deal *must* include a long-term solution to a COF spot if we're surrendering Walker. I agree with you two there, and yeah...Zimmermann in this rotation makes it potentially historic.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattSouza would jobshare with Miller perhaps in LF, Melky plays right (because right is smaller in Safeco) and your ballclub is: CF) Jackson RF) Cabrera 2B) Cano DH) Cruz 3B) Seager 1B) Morrison LF) Souza/Miller C) Zunino SS) Miller/Taylor with a rotation of King Felix / Iwakuma / Zimmermann / Paxton-Elias-Happ (holy CROW!!) and a bullpen of 8Xflamethrower sign me up2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroYa Matt, I would think the Nats would strongly consider that. Add Melky and our roster is terrifying.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI'd do Walker and Ackley for Zimmermann + Souza + low minors prospect2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroI'd do Walker for Zimmerman + Souza. An ace for 2015 + Long term solution in OF with an athletic young player that is very well rounded (hit, walk, power, speed, defense). + pick next year.2 months 3 weeks ago
misterjonezAgreed, Taro. Souza by his lonesome is a better fit, and would probably be worth a bit to this club. I'm not entirely sure how we would incorporate Zimmermann, anyway...Felix, Kuma, Happ, Paxton, Elias and Walker makes six already, forgetting about Hultzen lurking in the shadows like a cowled Darth Maul with only his demonic eyes visible beneath his hood. Depth is all well and good, but at the expense of giving Walker and Paxton cracks at breaking into the league in a big way? I'm not sure it's a good idea. The only way it makes sense to me is if Walker gets us Kemp, in which case I understand the desire to push the chips in for the 2015 season by acquiring Zimmermann. This team, plus Zimmermann and Kemp, would be pretty amazing though and would probably be worth sacrificing Walker. Too bad LAD pushed Z off with their demands.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroWhy are we targeting Desmond and not Souza? Zimmerman + Souza is a much better fit for our roster.2 months 3 weeks ago
misterjonezYeah, it makes me wonder if Jack started with something more along the lines of "Ackley for Desmond, or Ackley+Elias for Desmond and Zimmermann," and the Nats countered with the rumored "Miller+Walker" stuff. I have a hard time believing that Jack would go anywhere near that for a pair of nothing more than quality rentals, especially when he won't fork over Walker for Kemp/Upton according to reports.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogA terrible offer. Were Zimmerman signed for 5x$17M, or something like that and the bat you send was Ackley, well then a guy would go, "Hmmmmmmm," just because you could swap out the one year of Desmond with some other team. But even then, it would be 5 years of Zimmerman for Walker and Ackley for whatever Desmond could bring. Actually, that I might do. But Zimmerman isn't signed and Ackley isn't in the deal. A bad no good ugly offer.2 months 3 weeks ago
misterjonezOk, I short-sold Zimmermann a little bit. He had a nifty year in 2014, so he'd get Cy Young votes if he did that again. But I'm still not sure that the marginal upgrade he provides would be worth all that much to the M's, who already have an extremely talented rotation. Still, the draft picks next year for he and Desmond would be intriguing...not worth Taijuan Walker, I don't think, but definitely intriguing.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattand given that we didn't want to give up walker for KEMP...I'm gonna guess Z left that meeting angry2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattthat is a HILARIOUSLY bad trade offer...if someone offered me that in fantasy, I'd block their email address and never trade with them again.2 months 3 weeks ago
misterjonezYeah, no way I'd do that if I was Z. If it was somehow Zimmerman and Kemp (I know, it would take a 3+ team deal) for Walker and Miller, that would actually make sense. But no way do we give up TWO cost-controlled, elite prospects for a pair of rentals neither of which, while being very good players in their own rights, are MVP/Cy Young contenders. That would be a bad, bad idea. But like I said, if somehow you swapped Desmond for Kemp, that actually gets some traction.2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaNats wanted to do Zimmerman and Desmond for Walker and Miller according to Ryan Dvish, M's said no.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattLOL that is quite an image G2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossHonestly, that's a "Desmond and Fister for Miller and stuff" kind of conversation, I would have to guess. Still makes no sense.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossThere's no good reason to be interested in a year of Desmond. Jack is troling reporters at the Winter Meetings after emptying the minibar and gorging himself on mini-sausages crowned with olives.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogHow weird is this: (MLBTR) The Nationals and Mariners have discussed Ian Desmond on several occasions but talks between the two teams have yet to really gain traction, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal reports (via Twitter). Washington likes Brad Miller, so conceivably the young shortstop could be part of a larger package the M’s would send back to D.C. Desmond is a FA after '15. He can swing the RH bat.....but this is weird-weird. One year of him for Miller? Eeeeek. If there is any truth to the rumor...there must be other significant players involved. Weird...2 months 3 weeks ago
merksPer Rosenthal Nationals talking with M's- Ian Desmond for Brad Miller and pieces. Nothing close at this time but have spoken often.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattwhat the...???????...the Mariners are interested in Ian Desmond?? WWWWHHHY?2 months 3 weeks ago
misterjonezInteresting deal between LAD and MIA. Miami sends a quartet of players to LA in exchange for Dee Gordon and Dan Haren (whose $10mil salary will be picked up by LA, assuming he doesn't go through with his threat of retirement in the event he finds himself playing anywhere but SoCal). The Dodgers get a cool SP in Heaney, who was the #9 pick overall in 2012, but I'm not really sure what this trade does for them overall. Seems strange for a team that's talked incessantly about wanting to shed salary in recent months.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattNeither Morse, nor Saunders...is an everyday player. The Mariners need an everyday RFer2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiAnd one of the beat writers said, rather darkly "If you want to be an everyday player, you need to be ready when called on" ...2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossSo I agree with moj - might was well talk about adding Stanton this offseason for all the likelihood of it happening. Watch, now they'll sign morse and neither he nor Cruz will be able to play the OF. It'll be hilarious.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossMorse will never come back here after we cost him millions with a misdiagnosis and then compounded that by telling him it was all in his head and he was a weak-minded ballplayer, essentially.2 months 3 weeks ago
mojicianAfter listening to Michael Saunders talk about being traded, I don't think he was very cool with being in a platoon or a fourth outfielder or a supersub or having days off. Many bloggers wanted to see Saunders in the supersub role. Condor wants a starting job above all else, probably for free agency purposes. <http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_player_sports/?a=9980544&p=1007&n=Brock%20and%20Salk> Saunders probably forced the trade with a demand to get everyday playing time. I think this is a little bit delusional of Condor, as his fades and sprains from everyday playing time were predictable as clockwork, and could probably been avoided and mitigated with half time play.2 months 3 weeks ago
mojicianI think this is all academic. When Morse played for the Mariners,the team didn't discover the spiral fracture, or whatever it was, in his wrist, and the ownership and fans ran him out of town on a rail after he hit like a feeb. I don't think the Mariners and Morse and sending each other Christmas cards anymore.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattMorse's tremendous power translated in 18 homers last year. Not convinced he's got tremendous power anymore.2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiThere&#039;s a solid argument against Cruz. We have 2 articles up as to his consistency. The 7 Surprising Things and the Taste the Triple Guns pieces. Suspensions aside, Cruz has missed about the same # of games 2012-14 as Robinson Cano. He has provided *end results* rather than component skills.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroDoc, you have a point on RBI with HR hitters, but I its too much a premium to pay. In general I'll swap an 780 OPS for a 780 OPS. I prefer the HR hitter, but won't pay much of a premium for it.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroAll that said, I'm cool with it as long as we actually DO spend the money. If its Cruz and Melky, then great. If its Cruz and Viciedo, then I have a major problem with it.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroNo its all good. That's just the thing though. How do we know we can count on Cruz? Hes an aging bat. Morse has a slightly better career wRC+ and OPS+, played in more pitchers parks in his career, and hes younger. He was terrible with us due to his injury, but I wouldn't see that as a problem going forward. Predicting aging hitters is extremely difficult.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Matt(p.s. just so we're clear...I'm speaking with intention hyperbole to make a point and to be somewhat entertaining/funny...not attacking you, taro)2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattGiven that we tried Morse before, and he hurt himself blinking too hard and then whined about the Mariner medical staff...I'm inclined to say enough is enough with the 33 year old guys who might be OK if they miraculously defy father time and stay healthy. STOP THE MADNESS...sign someone you can count on.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattwho cares about cheap now, taro? Seriously...who...the...heck...CARES? We should be spending like drunks. That is all there is to it...we have a regional sports network and are showing the willingness to up payroll to 140 million. We have a flotilla of young, talented players coming up to fill in the holes at any time and a GM whose specialty IS young cheap players and who has proven to be TERRIBLE at picking cheap veterans.2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiIn fairness, we've been speculating on the Corey Harts, Michael Morses, Holdout Kendryses, Jack Custs, and Milton Bradleys for quite a few years. All those guys have Nelson Cruz' skill set on paper. What they lacked was 100 RBI off the paper ;- )2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroI see Morse vs Cruz projecting similarly over the next couple years. It wouldn't shock me if Morse out produced him or if Cruz were slightly better. You never know when guys will age. The difference in contracts is going to be massive. Morse is just a cheaper, better gamble IMO. But the deal is done, so it is what it is. Take the upgrade and add to it.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI mean no offense taro...none at all...but Morse??? You really think he's the guy to get us into the world series? If you have the money to spend to get a legit MOTO bat...you spend it, even if you have to overpay a bit. I think Cruz will finish around .260/.315/.490-.500 and be worth +30-+35 runs on offense.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattMorse is absolute cow dung. Anyone saying the answer to our shortage of right handed power is Mike Morse is not understanding the depth fo the problem and is overestimating Morse's ability to stay healthy and productive consistently. Sorry...no. Just no. We had 40 million dollars to spend this offseason...wasting any on Morse when there were better options we could afford is just plain foolish.2 months 3 weeks ago
GrumpyMaybe the fallback is to sign Morse and then have Cruz in for a RF-DH rotation? Maybe they don't want to block the upcoming OF prospects for 4-5 years? Who knows what they're thinking.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroViciedo is just one of a thousand guys that can't check a slider. Add his terrible defense and you have a RL player. Even adjusting for BABIP, Viciedo was under replacement level last year.2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiBenihana's shout: +1. James has discussed this some. In a softball game that is 31 to 27, there's no difference between a single and an HR; you just want to avoid an out. The "ticking time bomb" baseball game is when the score is 0-0 or 1-1 all the way through, nobody can string offensive events, and you're waiting for a hero. Cruz is that, no doubts there.2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiAh. It's less crazy now? We can swat the dust off your Chief Seat?2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroGlad to be back Doc! Life has just been too crazy the last couple years to participate. Always been reading, always enjoy your stuff. :-)2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiTechnically Viciedo's XctX was .280'ish, not his xAVG … that's his hard-hit-ball rate times his contact rate. Also his xAVG and XctX is historically not bad, but it dipped as his found his power, then bounced back. I'm not recommending the guy!, but there are some similarities to Evan Gattis there, minus a notch of power. The M's have *always* liked Viciedo.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroI expect him to hit .250/.310/.480 ish (mid to high 20s HRs), which will be somewhere around 1.5 WAR. He'll feel like David Ortiz compared to our DHs last year, but who knows when he starts aging. Don't like that contract. Preferred a dip into someone like Morse, who will be significantly cheaper and probably similar in value for 2015-2016. But it is what it is. Z had a man crush. He will be an upgrade, and now dipping into Melky makes more sense (and I think he is twice the player Cruz is from here on out).2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattAgreed that WAR is completely useless for DH. I never even bother to look for WAR there because the position adjustment is complete hokum2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattiiiinteresting, Jeff...why was his xAVG so high?2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiDr. D's micro shtick on Viciedo: follow @clarke_jeff If a spam fell in the woods, would anybody block it?2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiGlad Taro is back! :- ) So I hate to ping-pong vs. his "premium" shouts to start off with … but one return of serve is: Cruz was the *first* RH masher in. It's kinda like Seager's first $100M being worth more than his next $100M ...2 months 3 weeks ago
rjjuniorIMO, wRC+ is the only number that matters for full-time DH&#039;s. WAR is largely unhelpful due to many factors, including, but not limited to, the positional adjustment. If he puts up 120+, he&#039;s worth it.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroYa, that will actually cost him a few runs switching to full time DH. I kind of feel that the DH penalty is too harsh, but even then I think overpaying Cruz so early was a bad tactical strategy. Buying high.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattCruz's previous WAR totals matter very little taro...they were all as an outfielder with significant negative defensive drag. He's a DH now.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroOf the top 5 teams in HRs hit last year, only the Orioles made the playoffs. HRs definetlyhelp, but you need other forms of production. Last year was the first time in four years Cruz was worth more than 2 WAR. Hes a 34 year old bat that provides no production either than HRs off of a career year in a launchpad. I think he'll produce and compared to what we've had recently he'll look awesome. But I expect more of 2011-2013 regressed for Safeco than his 2014 line, which is pretty underwhelming for a bat only player. Hes an upgrade, but I think we significantly overpaid.2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaI think that Cruz's value is specifically higher as league average scoring goes down. When locked into a pitchers duel a guy who can hit 40 home runs translates directly into increased wins. I think OBP is more valuable in a high scoring game, slugging more valuable in a low scoring game. With the lower scoring trend, a GUY like Nelson Cruz is a very impactful piece.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattagreed that Cruz by himself would be disappointing...strongly disagreed on Cruz's status as an impact hitter (he's been nothing if not consistent...no reaso to think he's on the verge of collapsing). But I really want to get Cabrera in here and finish the offseason right.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroI would have been fine with letting the Orioles win the bidding for Cruz. But now that we are invested and the 1st rounder is moot (and Saunders is out of town), I like the idea of targeting Melky. He was a tremendous hitter during his breakout years in 2011 and 2012. His 2013 was zapped due the tumor, but his 2014 was better than it looks on the surface. His BABIP was well below career norms based on batted ball outcomes in 2014. This is not even comparing to his BABIP outcomes in 2011-2012. Hes also been caught for PEDs in the past, which bodes well for his aging curve. A top spin hitter that hits the ball hard is a good fit for the park. I still don't get the Cruz signing (and don't think hes an impact player going forward), but adding Melky would make it sweeter and give us a pretty potent offense.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattcorrect, Rick...and Taro, Cruz is higher-impact than Cabrera as an addition for this specific team and they wanted to make sure they got him in first.2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82Probably because they feel they can go four years, Taro. With Cruz, they knew the Orioles would win the bidding war if they didn't add the additional year.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroI still don't get giving into Cruz and playing hardball with Melky. Both are bat first, lead glove corner OFs. Cruz better recently, Melky better over the course of the last 4 years (minus injury riddled 2013). Melky is signficantly younger and his bat profiles better in Safeco. In five years Melky will be 35 years old. Cruz will turn 35 during the upcoming season. Why are you chiseling the extra year on the 30 year old when you didn't on the 34 year old? It makes no sense to me.2 months 3 weeks ago
drmNow that Lester has signed, I wonder if the free agent market will really start moving? Who else is interested in Melky? I haven't heard of any other team really interested? I'm worried we are being used again, ala Fielder.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI think Melky is being dumb though...he's not going to beat the Mariners AAV (14.5 mil per year) and he should want to try again after 4 years for another multiyear deal.2 months 3 weeks ago
drmYes, an option 5th year I could live with.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattalthough...despite my usual preference for not bidding against myself...I'd throw a vesting option for year five at him2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattThey are holding out on Melky because he has lower upside and they don't want to get locked in for too long to that2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroStills options out there that make sense if Melky is no longer on the table: Dealing for Souza with Taylor+RP.. and/or signing Aoki cheap.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroI don't understand why the Ms are holding out on Melky if they gave into Cruz. Melky is more likely to age well. Once they gave that deal to Cruz, I assumed money was no longer an obstacle. If it was, you should explored your options more before signing Cruz and dealing Saunders.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroViciedo has less than a season's worth of ABs vs lefties in his career so its not a reliable yet. In fact in 2014, he was better vs RHs. Overall he is a poor hitter and terrible fielder. I wouldn't even want him as a platoon bat since hes so awful defensively and his bat is terrible fit for the park. Just overall, hate the idea of him on the roster. Its an absolute joke if hes the starter, but even as a bench bat I really, really hate the idea.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroHi Moe, I don't dislike the idea of going with a platoon in RF. Theres some merit to going that direction. But I really, really dislike the idea Viciedo in particular.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogBeni: By George, I think you've got it (perhaps)! I should have thought of Miller as a vR RF option and a consideration in the Saunders trade. Interesting. Taro: Viciedo beats lefties up. He certainly can hit them. On the other hand, Matt, Miller (maybe) and Viciedo gives you at least 90% of Saunders. Rasmus and Viciedo is 110% of Saunders, equal to Saunders and Viciedo. Jay, as a top of the order guy and CF heir-apparent, would be even better (if you could afford the Cards' asking price). I disliked the Saunders trade as much as anybody. He was nice...but fragile and not THAT nice. He's replaceable.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossYep. Cargo's got three years left on his deal (3yrs/53 mill), and I like him for that. If Colorado is kicking in a few million we can spare them some secondary pieces, but I'm guessing they don't want to cough up the cash and would rather ride with Cargo assuming he'll recover. To overcome that inertia, I'm not sure what we'd have to trade them.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattIf we can't get a reasonable pruchase price for Upton, I would prefer Cargo, yes. Rasmus is the emergency desperation move.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossMatt, I think Carlos Gonzalez or Colby Rasmus are the fall-back positions if Melky won't sign and the other trades are all asking for the golden calf along with a lifetime subscription to Popular Mechanics. Problem with Cargo: he's not likely to be traded for less than his healthy value, but nobody's really sure what that is.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattIOW...if we trade for Viciedo...he's a full-time starter. He's not Miller's caddy.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattit would have been easier to sign Jonny Gomes Not that would happy with that either.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattYou don't trade material goods for a platoon 200 AB RFer who can't field (Viciedo). They won't give him away for nothing. Trading for a platoon buddy is stupid.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI gotta believe something gets done during the WMs or just after.2 months 3 weeks ago
drmWell, I wish this would hurry up and finish, one way or the other. The waiting is killing me!2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaI'm beginning to think that 'natural' outfielder Brad Miller beat out Michael Saunders for a job. Trade makes more sense when you think of Saunders as the M's "left-out"-fielder.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattif they trade for Viciedo, the Saunders deal becomes manifestly retarded. Like...a person with an 80 IQ would understand it was bad. I love Happ, but you can get 90% of what I think Happ will do by just re-signing Chris Young or going after Masterson gets you 100% at slightly more money. And if my choice is Viciedo and Happ (minus whatever we gave up for Viciedo) or Saunders and a bad RH platoon buddy and a free agent starter who costs too much or is risky...I go for the latter every single time.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattindeed Gordon. Still plenty of trade targets available. Sounds like the Braves want too much for Gattis...but may be swayed on Upton with the right finagling. Kemp is off the table for us, but there is also Carlos Gonzalez and possibly Troy Tulowitzki (longshot)...there could be Jay Bruce or John Jay or Colby Rasmus...it's not like it's Melkman or bust. Melkman is just my preferred target.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossBeing willing to move on, and actually moving on, are different things. Being willing is good - we've been caught in years past waiting and waiting... and waiting... for a free agent to make up their mind / to use our offers to get the deal they really want with a different team. Can't get stuck in that spot this time. And if he doesn't want to come here for the price we'll pay there's not a lot we can do except TO move on.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroIf the Ms can't find a real RF solution, the Saunders deal starts looking terrible again.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroViciedo can't hit or field. Of course he can occasionally hit a HR, which apparently is all you need for Z to be interested in you.2 months 3 weeks ago
drmYou think they are still in on Melky? I'm getting worried that the M's have moved on.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossSomebody should explain to Melky that he's more likely to get another multi-year contract to end his career if he goes 4 years now instead of 5. It's both good business sense for him (assuming he believes he doesn't have to roid to stay productive for the next 4 years) and for us to go 4.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogIf you look at Viciedo as 1/2 of a RF solution then he's a good guy to have. An Earl W. type of guy. I liked him in this role last year. The Tank has his lefties to the tune of .291-.331-.507 over his career. That ain't chopped liver! It compares decently to Gattis but trails Upton. Cruz is, btw, .289-.364-.522. Tank has played some LF as well as RF, 1B, too. At somewhere around $4M per he's cheap. ERam in swap, perhaps? That idea has been tossed about elsewhere.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogIdeally Viciedo would RF platoon against lefties and give LoMo some days off at 1B. But it would mean we must get another RF (preferably a LHB) who can play CF, too. Then you're looking at Rasmus, etc. I like the effort to get Melky to 4 years and it likely means there isn't a huge Melky market out there, at 5 years anyway. But I wouldn't kick at Viciedo, who is a complementary player and brings a skill set the M's most sorely missed last year. He would be easy to move and he wouldn't block Kivlehan and Pizzano, COFs who will show up soon enough. AS part one of a two-part OF move, I have no problem with this.2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiBigMtnMonkey - sent it all along to the admins. Trust me, we feel your pain2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiCan't say I'd blame the M's for digging in, as far as Melky Cabrera and the 2019 season. And (Kemp, Upton, Cruz, etc) they're getting a rep for being both forwardgoing, and principled. Real nice blend, as Jay-Z would put it.2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiM's pressuring Melky, in the newspapers, to forgo the 5th year … using Dayan Viciedo as the foam rubber baseball bat … Viciedo is not AS lame as he looks, is somewhat comparable to a RH Logan Morrison (age 26 with serious UPside) but by all accounts is You-Glee in the outfield. Fairly light foam rubber it sez here.2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiKlat is establishing the new platform. By a delightful coinkydink, so is Dr. D personally, with modem brownouts, Twitter radiation and general loss of all perspective. Hospital time warps are being served alongside the Drs' beside-yourself zaniness. Anybody riding it out is likely to contract a case of our Sensible Insanity.2 months 3 weeks ago
Tacoma RainLester is now a Cub... Go Theo!!!2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogRe Trumbo: Tongue-in-cheek, I hope Matt. Tongue-in-cheek...... And the Yankees are liberal spenders.......the Mariners are (or have been) conservative ones. Call it what you will, it amounts to the same thing.2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiNew Roenis Elias article at http://drdetectovision.wordpress.com. Next coupla articles will be here at SSI. Notably one on Seager's remaining UP side2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattfrom the "thank goodness that didn't happen" files - Seattle was evidently on the verge of flipping Saunders to the Jays for Mark Trumbo if the Jays could work out the details on getting Trumbo...the if part didn't happen...WOW am I glad we got Happ instead...MUCH rather have Happ2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattThe Mariners, BTW, are not "conservative" - they are profit-obsessed. There's a difference. They have no problem spending all the money that they feel they can spend in order not to go into the red.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattthat's an inaccurate way to phrase the comparison, moe. Fowler will cost about 5 million less than Melky in year one and then be gone. So...$54 million over four years (about 14.5 mil per year) for Melky or...9 million and then a gigantic hole in your line-up.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogAgree with Miller: I've been in on his OF use, especially considering Taylor's proclivity at all levels to get on base. But Miller in the OF likely is a 4th OF situation or it means Ackley is moving on. I'm not seeing us with 2 LHB COFs. Saunders went because we chose Ackley over him. I would have no problem with Miller getting a RF shot in the event that Ackley is gone in trade for a RHB. Romero is hardly a "non-prospect." In his 185 AAA/AAA games he's hit north of .300 AND ISO'ed about .220. His first MLB rodeo wasn't pretty....but to label him a non-prospect is too harsh. If he's with the M's he will bat in the majors in '15 and it won't be a failure. I appreciate the TV revenue $, beni, really. But you're talking about a massive business entity here and conservative FO types. It you're talking about $60M = 5 more wins over 4 years, well....that's something that a conservative FO might not jump in on.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattwell done, Beni. Well done. The days of hoping and praying that marginal non-prospects like Romero hit their 80th percentile projection and are sort of useful in a platoon role or whatever the heck or OVER. This team should spend like a drunken sailor in odl St. John (where all the girls are dancin') - heave away, good ship Mariner. Buy the best player you can. To heck with bargain hunting.2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaAnd lastly, I think the M's think that they already have a 3 WAR left-handed hitting RF. Just happens that his name is Brad Miller.2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaOver the past 3 non-TUMOR-IN-HIS-BACK years, Melky has been worth almost 5 more wins than Fowler. And he can be had without giving any talent up.2 months 3 weeks ago
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benihanaOne interesting side-effect of the M's owning their own network (same with the YES Yankees for that matter) is that they have an increasingly vested interest in viewers. Their ownership in the network means more viewers instantly transfers into increased revenue - don't have to wait until the next round of negotiations. And since more wins = more viewers, it's time for them to stop acting cheap. Good news is, they don't seem to be acting cheap anymore.2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaMoe, I think you are a bit stuck in the old M's paradigm. With last years $25 million per year increase in national TV revenues, plus Baker's conservatively reported $25 million in increased local TV revenues, this M's SHOULD be running a $140 million payroll and as I pointed out earlier, they're acting like it too. Time to stop shopping at the bargain bin and learn to love the Free Agent market. Sign the best bat we can get to play RF for next year, and worry about the rest after a nice post-season run.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI'd give Rasmus a 3/27 or 3/30 kind of deal. That would be an "OK" add...but he has a giant hole so another right handed bat would need to be brought in to platoon with him. It's not ideal if we keep Ackley because both of them need platooning and we can't really do that.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattIf Romero gets even 1 at bat in 2015, the Mariners failed.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogI would still do a Gattis swap (who I like a lot), starting with Ackley and going young from there. Were I to make that trade.....giving up Ackley, I would look at Rasmus as a RF addition. I think he's flying under folks radar, $-wise. He can play CF (and we need another) and he's a career .788 guy vs. RHP. You could platoon him in RF with a Romero or cheap addition (if you're giving Kivlehan lots of Tacoma). I predicate that on our losing Ackley in the addition of a RF bat. I like Rasmus more than Fowler, anybody in Colo. and (CF bonus) Melky, for the right price. not much out there about him. how much is he worth Matt?2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattMariners haven't been talking to the Braves recently either...I hope we don't get NONE of those guys...because if we end up with something less than a bankable 3 WAR, then the Michael Saunders trade becomes stupid again.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattFowler is a lousy fielder and streaky at the plate...and a bad fit for Safeco. And I'm not banking our chances in 2015/2016 on anyone unproven. This is the time to win now...get high stoploss even if you pay a premium for it.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattPadres in on him because Friedma want's to have Yasmani Grandal's babies. He is irrationally attached to the guy for some reason.2 months 3 weeks ago
MtGrizzly@JonHeymanCBS: hear orioles, rangers and mariners, 3 early kemp players, are all out on him. seems like might be padres or bust.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogFowler is a one year guy with a .340 career OBP away from home (trying not to cherry pick). .375 for the year in Houston last year (still not trying to cherry pick Coors) He gives us two draws at the CF market after this year. He would be a fine glove in RF. With Souza comes a terrific pitching arm, in my scenario. Craig was OK in RF with St. Louis. I admit, he's not been a fulltime RF'er. Gonzales is one of the OFs I would like. Let's not pretend that $57M for Melky is chump change....it isn't. It's impact will be felt down the line. I am not convinced that we've seen a sea change in the M's FO's willingness to perpetually spend this kind of dough.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogI would rather spend that Melky money on something else down the line. Kuma, for example...or a pitcher to replace him. I'm convinced that Kivlehan would be a 100 OPS guy in RF starting June 1st. If that is the case, then for $57 million you're getting not much of an improvement. Matt, as I've said, Melky is no slouch. But at 4x$15M he's steep, too. The analysis is not whether Melky is a fine player...but whether he's worth to the M's the $ it would take.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattColorado has only one OFer in whom I have any interest. Gonzalez. Blackmon is a joke outside of Coors. As is Dickerson. Craig is worth very little to me and cannot play the outfield so why the heck would I want him? Fowler is awful for the money he'll cost. Souza is fragile and not something that can start every day. None of the things on your list make me feel confident in this team moving forward. None of them.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogI'm out on Melky. He's off my Christmas list. There are other OF's who I would explore and chase. Colorado has two and Fowler is still available in Houston. Allen Craig will hit .300 again this year. But mostly I think I would chase a pitcher AND Souza from the Nats. They are dangling Fister and Zimmerman. For one of those two guys (with a year's extension...which you could probably do at $15-$18M) and Souza I would give up Walker or Elias and a prospect. We need a guy sho can play OF AND 1B, by the way. Souza does that. I'm not doing it for just one year of one of those pitchers...but I would do it for two.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattIt's like he tried to win by goig big...it failed spectacularly so he said "I'm better at winning by going small...let's do that again"2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroGuessing they keep Gentry+Jaso then? I have no idea what Beane is doing but it is fascinating to watch.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattAs say they're now looking to add a couple of pieces and will not trade Kazmir. I do not understand Beane's approach this year. Butler is an albatross contract before he event takes the field...they traded their best players for bulk volume...and...now they want to play add-on? WHY? What are they trying to accomplish?2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattIndeed...some of the guys they got are...interesting...but none of them are exciting. They're classic orcs. But yes...they are obviously in reload mode so they will not be scary in 2015. That leaves us battling the top-heavy Angels and clubs like the Chisox, Blue Jays, Orioles and Indians2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossTheir farm system would be less depleted if they hadn't traded Addison Russell. Just sayin - not that i'm unhappy about getting that kid into the NL. The up-n-comers right now look like us, Toronto, probably the White Sox, the 'Stros soon... I'm glad the As seem to be taking a breather, but I try not to count them out. "Nothing pieces" seem to be what Oakland builds contenders out of.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattthe As' farm system was badly depleted, so all of their moves of late have been to get guys who are near-MLB-ready...as many as possible. So that they have time to regenerate their farm system. Choi and their choice of our marginal AA/AAA prospects for Jason/Gentry...someone call Zduriencik2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattBloomquist is useful too...just not as a baseball player. :) He's the extra man that has the manager's back, polices the bench, and doesn't mind only playing when Seager needs an off-day.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossChoi is such an As kind of player. Marte isn't, but he is talented. If we're cherrypicking low-hanging fruit to fill our bench for a couple years then yes, Gentry and Jaso would be very good for us.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroYa, it makes a ton of sense. Pretty ideal backup crew either than Bloomquist. The As seem to be dealing their players for quantity instead of quality. I wonder if we could deal 2-3 non top-10 specs for those two? Both are great fits for our roster.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattJaso is your back-up catcher and handy extra bench bat for RH Relievers (subbing in for Morrison). Gentry is your 4th OF/def replacement/pinch runner starting against tough lefties for Ackley. You run with a bench of Jaso, Gentry Bloomquist and Taylor2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI'd give the As Ketel Marte and Ji-Man Choi for Gentry and Jaso, maybe2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattPresumably, we'd use Gentry instead of Ackley...how would the outfield align on those days? Would you play Gentry in RF and Cabrera in LF?2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroGentry is like a cross with James Jones speed (late SBs with crazy accuracy), Gut's defense (at every OF spot), and an actual bat vs LHs. Such an extreme skill set. Worth around 8 WAR since 2012 in part time play. Best 4th OF in the game IMO.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroTrue, but Crisp is 35 at this point and the contract is higher than his worth IMO. Gentry may be the best RH platoon/4th OF in the game. He a RH bat with extreme career splits and one of the best defensive CFs in the game. Very nice piece to start vs LHs, and a late pinch runner/defensive replacement.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattAh...he did slump in the last two months. Not sure I would characterize him as bad. We looking for someone who, when in the line-up, would be a better lead-off option than Jackson2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattUm...Crisp is bad? Last I checked he was one of their better hitters in 2014. And good on the bases2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroGentry is pretty great fit, especially if the Melky rumors are true. We're going to need a defense first 4th OF and Gentry is one of the best defensive players in the game. Definetly would not give up Taylor for him, but maybe a non top-10 spare prospect.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroCrisp is a negative asset at this point with the contract hes signed too. Hes old and bad.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattWould they do Crisp for Taylor?2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattforget that...ask what they want for Coco Crisp2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossBaker should have just read my report on the TV money months ago, and the fact that we should have that to spend this offseason. The suits are not against spending money, they are against spending THEIR money. Whatever the team makes, the team can use for payroll purposes. If ticket sales go back up, they'll put that in the budget too.2 months 3 weeks ago
TaroMs should ring up the As about Gentry and Jaso.2 months 3 weeks ago
SilentpadnaWow....seems like every time I log in here I'm a time-traveller, going back and forth between days.....2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattThis is a very incoherent offseason for Beane. Why did he sign Butler if he was just going to dismantle the As?2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattBassitt is pretty interesting, and Marcus Semien is underrated. But hardly an overwhelming return.2 months 3 weeks ago
Tacoma RainOrc's trade Shark to the White Sox for prospects... and possibly only one really good one.2 months 3 weeks ago
misterjonezI also like that the team is addressing chemistry. The Seahawks are definitely showing the way there, and it's nice to see it come into play. Obviously in baseball talent trumps all, but all things equalxI like the emphasis on cohesion.2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82Guti can have Endy's job. He's be pretty good at it - from the right side, anyway. Good with the bat, the glove, trade bunting for power. I like it.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattBut Guti would never be a starter here...not the way Saunders was drummed out of town for being non-durable...Guti is not the replacement. He's extra2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattGuti is probably going to come back one more time as a minor leaguer with an NRI to ST to see how he feels.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattthe spending we're doing this year is consistent with that plan to spend about 140 mil or so - they started the upward trend last year by signing Cano to set the stage...and it worked out realy well...made us contenders just enough to convince Cruz and maybe Cabrera to join us2 months 3 weeks ago
bsrBaker finally with the report confirming how much the M's new TV deal is worth: +$25M/year vs prior deal. And it didn't really kick in financially until now, which is why they didn't bump payroll as much in 2014. Bottom line, the M's will consistently have $40-50M extra to spend going forward from local and national TV money. So payroll should be in the $130M+ range that real contenders spend. Best M's news I've read in years! [http://seattletimes.com/html/mariners/2025190125_bakercolumn08xml.html]2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82Z has a soft spot in his heart for Guti. He won't resist signing him.2 months 3 weeks ago
merksI would like to have Gutierrez back on a minor league deal as long as we have a starting caliber cf to begin with, which we do. If both are healthy Guti was the better player in my mind. I have no idea if he'll be able to stay healthy but worth a go.2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82Or is THIS the M's secret plan: The return of Franklin Gutierrez to play RF, and maybe a little CF. Guti hit a home run in Winter ball today: http://gregjohns.mlblogs.com/2014/12/08/gutierrez-homers-in-first-at-bat-in-venezuelan-return/2 months 3 weeks ago
JDDubWith all the talk about Melky in RF batting second with his great bat control it feels like were getting setup to have the rug pulled out from under us. The Raul reunion tour was a success, so perhaps M's brass will press their luck with the return of Ichiro!2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossI also like that we're big on chemistry. Cano and Seager are peas in a pod. Cruz, Melky and Cano are all countrymen and close friends. I'm not huge on Melky, but can I really gripe about bringing in a 3 WAR player who is still young enough to have several good years ahead of him and is surrounded by friends who can make every day a good one? If there was such a thing as chemistry and synergy, it looks like the Ms are banking on making it work in their favor. There are worse things to mix than talent and comraderie.2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossSo apparently we're the favorites to sign Melky still, even as we work on J-Up or Kempster. Funny line from Heyman's article: "The Blue Jays are out, and the Mariners took care if that, by sending them Michael Saunders in trade to fill left field. The Royals, White Sox, Giants and others have been tied to Cabrera, but Seattle seems like the team to beat." Jack used a player we were not going to keep to shift the winds of change his way and bring Melky in? GMs might be thinking more than one move ahead? Nahhh... not possible...2 months 3 weeks ago
mojicianI want 2-3 years at Billy Butler money too. $30 million bucks would be pretty darn useful.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattMorales wants Butler money...Boras has completely lost his blinkin' mind.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattbasically...Seattle's strategy this off-season is "SIGN ALL THE BATZ!!!"2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattLOL benihana...that is awesome2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaHow fun has this off-season been? Fangraphs top 55 FA's? #1,2,4 Sherzer, Lester, Shields - not fits. #3) Hanley - reports are the M's pursued hard. #5) Panda - 3B not a fit, #6) Russel Martin - M's reported runner-up. #7) Headley - see #5. #8) Melky - M's rumored front-runner. #9) V-Mart - M's reported runner-up. #10) Nelson Cruz - now an M. We are in on EVERY good non-3b hitter. We've come a long, long way from the scrap heap.2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82From the Yesterday's News Today Department, someone didn't get the memo that his player really sucks, almost as bad as his previous work in representing him: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/kendrys-morales-seeking-big-multi-year-deal.html2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82And we have a song all ready for him: "Sonny Gray, keeping the clouds away" - sing to the tune from either Sesame Street or Jars of Clay, your choice.2 months 3 weeks ago
mojicianFor five years of Sonny Gray, we'd have to get over Elias and Taylor. Who ever heard of a man child with perfect control of a filthy curve ball and a live and accurate fastball to complement it? Well, there was this one guy named Felix, but besides him, I can't think of anyone. Plus, could you imagine how Gray in Seattle would make Oakland fans feel? They'd have to see him at least 10 times per year. Plus, it is Gray's rightful destiny to pitch in Seattle. I thought Mariners scouts had dibs on all college players from Appalachia. How did Macnamara lose this guy anyway? Edited to add: Dan Hultzen may be mighty fine yet. There were lots of great pitchers in the 2011 draft. 2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattAs for Houston...their ballclub is definitely in position to be a problem in 2016 at the latest. But 2015 is a two-team race between Seattle and LAA.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattLOL...I'd give Oakland Taylor and Elias for Gray. Thoughts?2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82I feel like I'm watching a Tolkien inspired movie. We spend three episodes on a journey to defeat some great evil somewhere, only to find out - yeah, Orcs are nasty, brutish, but short, and there's a greater evil somewhere else we have to spend three more episodes to fight.2 months 3 weeks ago
mojician"We wanted the Padres" almost knocked me out of my chair. :) Since the Orcs are open for business, I wonder who they want for Sonny Gray? I hear Guerrero is pretty good.2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82Mojican, I think we will be duking it out with the Stros going forward. Could be quite a rivalry. I mean, I hate them already, the way a Husky hates a Coug, because we should stomp on them repeatedly, and often do, then they go an win games we need against us. Stupid cockroach Lastros. Go back to the NL. We wanted the Padres.2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82We could have given the Orcs Ty Kelly for Moss, and thrown in a pitcher or something.2 months 3 weeks ago
mojicianThe Orcs traded three years of AL slugger Brandon Moss for six years of one blue chip prospect who is still trying to figure out AA? Conspiracy theory: I think that the real Beane is watching helplessly on a holotron from deep space, while an alien in a Beanesuit trashes his ball club. The aliens are either running psychological experiments on the effects of baseball on humans, or they just hate the Orcs as much as we do.2 months 3 weeks ago
mojicianNeed another alarming Fourthstro fact? They are growing better at an exponential rate, and they haven't spent any money yet. The Houston payroll is at $ 44 million. Jim Crane's bank account is at $2 billion. Who says he's not going to sign Lester, Scherzer and Shields just because he wants to?2 months 3 weeks ago
mojicianWho's afraid of the big bad 'Stros? -238 Run Differential in 2013, -108 2014. They out-Beaned Beane, getting Chris Carter out of Oakland for two years of Jed Lowrie, they poached Nolan Ryan out of Texas and are a big part of the curse of the sandbox, they shed the title "Lastros", they got an actual pitching staff with McHugh, Keuchel and Peacock, they have a real MOTO, with Fowler, Altuve, Carter and Springer, they have a rich owner, a smart front office, a rich pool of prospects, and are about to become the Thirdstros after the Oakland Yard sale of 2014.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI don't think this can afford to carry 2 DHs. Or 3 1B/DHs. Because we will want to carry 8 relievers.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogDoc: In regards to you platoon post (because I can't post there)...As pointed out, that sort of platoon works if you pick carefully. Lowenstein was a career .260-.346-.418 guy vR. Roenicke was a career .255-.363-.454 guy vL (and his vR career OPS was .749 so he was a "perfect" 4th OF). Those guys were unlikely to crash every other year. Earl was a genius that way. Lind and Mayberry are pretty proven commodities, especially Lind. And even in his "lost" years ('12-'13) Mayberry his lefties well. Two guys like that would also give you a 3 to make 2 1B/DH situation, adding LoMo. However, that in and of itself is pretty limiting, flexibility wise.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogSuch a platoon works best in the OF, at the corners...because you need the 4th OF anyway and it gives you a 2nd DH. In 79, for example, Baltimore had a 155 OPS RF (Singleton) and one of the best CF gloves in history (Bumbry..who wasn't a bad bat). Roenicke and Lowenstein were the perfect LF platoon, bat and flexibility wise. (same set up in '80, BTW...first year of the DH.) The hard part isn't finding the bats...but finding the bats that actually increase your flexibility.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattSo...their line-up is now CF) Crisp 3B) Lawrie LF) Reddick DH) Butler C) Norris 1B) Davis/Freiman LF) Vogt SS) Punto 2B) Sogard - is ANYONE scared of that?2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattOakland sure seems desperate to blow up its offense.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattso....would you rather have Happ for 6.7 mil...or Hammel for 2X10. :)2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiTR: that's some funny stuff amigo :- )2 months 3 weeks ago
jemanjiSee below2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattLOL - not happening to me yet...they're just cobbling things together at the moment until they get everything to a better server...bear with them, I'm sure Doc would say. :)2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogSSI has some weird stuff happening to it. I can't post on the shouts from the main SSI page...but if I click on a thread I can Shout but I have no idea if new threads are up. Sigh...2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI don't think Cabrera is the best available option by any stretch of the imagination. I think he will help us in 2015 and 2016...help us in a crucial way. I'm willing to pay a price at the end to get that if Kemp and Upton can't be had at a reasonable price. Especially since we will have cheap options by 2017...Jackson, Kivlehan etc2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogLet me restate: Not a 4%$M Melky fan. Not at all.2 months 3 weeks ago
moethedogI'm in with jonez: Not a Melky fan. Not at all! I'm hoping this rumor one is all hot air.2 months 3 weeks ago
misterjonezI see the rationale for signing him, and you make the case well, Matt. I've just never liked him; he's like Randy Winn without the speed or defense. I agree that, if he duplicated his 2014 for the next two years, it would sure solidify the lineup.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI would agree that Cabrera is unlikely to have much upside and that in years 3 and 4, he's probably not going to be worth what we pay him due to lagging defense. Don't really care though. I love him in the 2 hole right now for hard at bats against good pitching to get the pressure on guys before Cano comes up and the money we're spending on him is unlikely to prevent us from spending hte future as the club bloats payroll.2 months 3 weeks ago
misterjonezI'm prepared to eat crow, but I'm not enthused about Melky whatsoever. He doesn't have any stand-out tools, his defense is deteriorating, and he's been wildly inconsistent (I understand some of that is due to injuries, but he still doesn't give me warm fuzzies). He'd be a good add if Upton or Kemp really do cost Paxton/Walker plus, since he's really only a 2nd round draft pick loss, but I really do see a 4/54 contract to Cabrera being an albatross while I don't see that with Cruz. One has a high-powered core skill to lean on while the other doesn't. I dunno...Cabrera would be alright, but I'm convinced we'll look back on that one like we look back on Carlos Silva. There's my curmudgeonly thought for the day. Still, we need a COF (at least one!) and he's available.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattI'd like to see us get a fourth outfielder who can spell ackley against lefties...but...it isn't crucial2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossYep - we have two offers on the table, one in trade and one to a FA, and first guy to take the offer wins the prize. The other guy can go hope to do as well later, but probably won't. I'm fiiiine with that tactic. And fine with a victory lap. You can't win anything in the offseason, but knowing what we needed this coming year we couldn't have prepared to win in 2015 much better than if that happens.2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattIf we do get Cabrera...is it victory lap time for the brass? Do they go to the winter meetings just to hang out by the pool? :)2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR MattSo basically...the Mariners are now on the phone with Friedman saying "look, dude, you've been jerking me around all week on Kemp...I made a good offer and you almost took it, then you came back and inserted our best prospects instead. Either take our offer or we're signing Cabrera"2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossThe Ms are keeping the pressure on Melky by making sure he knows they could always just make a trade and leave him hanging - but also that he's their first choice for the role and they're paying him a quality salary. They don't feel like they have to go 5 on Melky, unlike the 4th year on Cruz, but are probably among his biggest offers for 4 years. Love to see em lock it down but glad they're not sitting on their hands while they wait for him to accept or just play us out like other teams have in the past by taking our offer to their "preferred" team. Gettin' close...2 months 3 weeks ago
Gordon GrossSome dude named Joe Rossman reported 4/54. Other reporters aren't saying that isn't the framework, just that the Ms aren't locked up with Melky yet (he's probably shopping it while the Ms do their last second dilligence). Joel Sherman: Multi execs tell me #Mariners strong frontrunner for Melky. But Sea GM Jack Z says, “that is way premature” Still looking at JUpton Kemp...2 months 3 weeks ago
SABR Mattwhere'd you see that?? MLBTR doesn't have anything2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaThat may be an old and wrong tweet. But still. Would love it.2 months 3 weeks ago
benihanaMelky!!! $54 for 4!!!! Love it!!!2 months 3 weeks ago
rick82Saunders used to be awful in all situations :-)2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattLOL2 months 4 weeks ago
Tacoma RainOhhh DrDetectoVision.WordPress.com/ ... now I got it DrDetectoVision.WordPress.com/2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattSaunders used to be awful in clutch situations but since he started centering his swing on the SS instead of the 1B, he's much more able to handle those battles.2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR Mattno @ symbol...all dots.2 months 4 weeks ago
rick82Clutchiness - It's the #1 reason I dreaded losing the Condor: 1.052 OPS in late and close last season. He was clutch the year before as well - always in the middle of any Mariner rally - and often the guy to get it started.2 months 4 weeks ago
Tacoma RainSo drdetectovision@wordpress.com ... Not DrDetectoVision@WordPress.com/ ... do I have that right now?2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR Mattdrdetectovision.wordpress.com - head on over Tacoma...we've had many good discussions. :)2 months 4 weeks ago
Tacoma RainDrDetectoVision@WordPress.com/ is that right Matt? Is there more schtick there? 'Cuz I really need more SCHTICK!!!2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattLOL...sorry doc. I had assumed that everyone here was now well aware off drdetectovision.wordpress.com :-)2 months 4 weeks ago
jemanjiWe live to serve. But you obviously do not, as you failed to note the URL of the 'other blog.' Klat doesn't mind in the least if non-authors shill others' (unintentional) comedy routines. Consider me alienated. Maybe I'll only put up six posts Monday, just to spite you.2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR Mattthat's a Byte for the other blog Doc.2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattWow! I hadn't realized how "clutchy" Seager was. Maybe we should just call him the team captain and be done with.2 months 4 weeks ago
jemanjiIf you go to Fangraphs > Batters > Leaders 2012-14 > Win Probability > sort by Clutch … observe Kyle Seager's position on the list. Both leagues.2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattKing Felix is Tony Stark2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattHulk is CLEARLY Cruz2 months 4 weeks ago
Tacoma RainHopefully DJ or Kivlehan2 months 4 weeks ago
mojicianHeh. That about sums it up. Who is Hulk?2 months 4 weeks ago
Tacoma RainMy boys and their friends call Seager "Seattle's Captain America"2 months 4 weeks ago
mojicianYeah, Seager doesn't get his 50 something extra base hits on meatball day when the sun is shining, he had a good breakfast and the team is happy. That's not why he's worth $100 million.2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattI've been calling Seager K-Money since 20112 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattEVERYONE says "that player is MONEY...they mean he is more valuable than his numbers because he is clutch...K means strike out, so that's a problem, but K-Money sounds cool to say.2 months 4 weeks ago
mojicianI suppose we can't call Seager S-Money because nicknames should last, and he won't be the only Seager in the bigs for very much longer. K-Money. Hmmmmm. It grows on you.2 months 4 weeks ago
mojicianHow is money clutch? Well, it is the most liquid asset, the easiest to spend or negotiate when there is a present need for it. It is better to have in an emergency than other valuable assets, like goodwill. Money is also clutch because clutch behavior is highly valued and should be paid.2 months 4 weeks ago
jemanjiFresh shtick up at drdetectovision.wordpress.com . … Dr. D, like Taro, had not heard that (anagram) "Ape Ugly I Is" could be had in trade. Knowing Friedman, more likely we'd get "A Retired Hen / Trade In Here" for J.A. Happ. Somebody disagree (with basis) and we'll be happy to slap up a POTD in many, many, MANY chapters.2 months 4 weeks ago
mojicianIt's hard to call Seager K-Money because of the negative connotations associated with K. But, money is appropriate as it is highly correlated with clutchness, which Seager exemplifies.2 months 4 weeks ago
TaroPuig isn't that bad defensively. Great arm, makes some bad reads, but good footspeed. I actually think he has upside defensively a RF, and snagged a 5 WAR season despite it. GREAT hitter in a pitchers' park. Hes only 23. I think he gets even better. Hes signed for 4 years and 24 million, making him one of the most valuable pieces in the game. I'd do Walker+DJ+Jackson, but the Dodgers may prefer Walker+DJ+Taylor, which works for me as well. If he truly is available, NAB him. Don't chisel.2 months 4 weeks ago
jemanjiTR … Brandon League? YEAH BABY! … actually Lloyd would probably find the exact AB's that would have SrFrBoi29 worth $8M per again.2 months 4 weeks ago
jemanjiSABRMatt 'Scoop? :- )2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattGive them Taijuan Walker, Chris Taylor and Yoervis Medina for Puig and Wilson? We don't need that extra reliever really.2 months 4 weeks ago
Tacoma RainTrade for Puig? GREAT! However, instead of adding lots of minor league talent, M's should offer to take one of their bad contracts they have - like Wilson or Haren or even League. All of these are one year deals so it would not bankrupt the M's to do so.2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattDoc...there are a lot of things I have WANTED to say about ongoing discussions based on my time with the Yankees...as I move further from that time of employment, I am a bit more free to say some things...I just can't speak for guys who still have high level jobs. But yes...I think a big part of my sub-domain within D-O-V, along with "MLB History Today" might be another feature type "Inside Scoop" or something with comments about how someone in a top end front office might react based on my admittedly brief experience.2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattI'd get Puig with the plan of making him my first baseman after 2016.2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattPuig is one of the worst defensive outfielders in major league baseball, Taro. He's not without serious problems (not to mention, he's got a bad attitude). And I wouldn't give up Jackson (the younger) for Giancarlo Stanton, let alone Puig. Jackson is a bust-out star in the making IMHO (and in the opinions of a lot of scouts lately). I would, however, give the Dodgers Walker and DJ and a reliever for Puig.2 months 4 weeks ago
jemanjiSure. But your insight into how insiders think is precisely what interests us (me). There's probably way to phrase things such as "a GM would be more likely to value Cruz' 'clutchiness' than his lead analyst would. And my view is … "2 months 4 weeks ago
TaroPuig seriously? I'd do Walker + DJ + Jackson for Puig. 4 bargain years left. Elite player in his early 20s? If hes available that changes the game.2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattMy time with the Yankees was nothing particularly special, other than the view it gave me of how they think. General answer: how the bosses think is very different than how the analysts think...and I could describe both sides...I just don't want to be unemployable in the game by saying something that clubs would look down on as leaking sensitive info2 months 4 weeks ago
jemanjiAlso Matt: any time you go "the Yankees found this useful" you've got everybody riveted. :: golf clap :: In fact, if I were you I'd underline that angle for my "subdomain" at DOV … "this would have been of interest inside baseball." You've been inordinately modest about it :- ) actually not letting people know ENOUGH. … but I get that you don't want to Mike Gimbel yourself. It could be done subtly but with impact … not that Dr. D would know about subtle ...2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattThis crowd may not remember the past, but I think they like llearning about the game's history if you relate it to what they do know at least somewhat. Not sure though...but I certainly like making little history projects out of my statistical research2 months 4 weeks ago
jemanjiSABRMatt … I'm all over that stuff, especially because I enjoy comparing my 1970's and 1980's heroes to today. Have never understood whether today's generation has much interest in that, however, so I minimize the "Melky Cabrera to Ken Griffey Sr." comps in order to find comps the kiddies will relate to. Would love to find out that 80% of the audience enjoys Melky vs. Sr, though.2 months 4 weeks ago
jemanjiCaffeine: thanks so much. Grist for the mill, as far as the final decision about going ahead with New D-O-V. :: daps ::2 months 4 weeks ago
merksThere are two separate articles on MLB.com suggesting that the Dodgers could trade Puig this offseason. One of the articles says that Joc Pederson is also a possibility. Dodgers want pitching and middle infielders. Seems like we match up with them pretty well. Any thoughts on what it would take to get Puig? Would you want Puig?2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattOK...so in our line-up so far, the nicknames are: CF) AJAX 2B) Robbie DH) Boomstick 3B) K-Money (dang it...I'm going to make that stick!!) 1B) SoDo LoMo C) ZUUUUUMBALL LF) Eggs, Ack, or Beardly SS) Logo, Miller-time, or crazy-legs...this is sounding like a world champion more and more...but we'll need to add the Melkman to the list.2 months 4 weeks ago
mojicianThree of the greatest thinkers in sports approve of the Cruz signing. http://m.mariners.mlb.com/video/v37023009 #LOB #Boomstick2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattOne of the tools I was working on when I was last in the "game" in research was a rigorous skills-based player comparison tool...so the idea would be...someone throws me a request, I let the comparison tool (once honed) pick out some other players from different time periods that were most similar skill-to-skill and talk about their place in the great history of the game...as a way for us to think about the players of today and what role they might have in history fifty years from now.2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattSo I've been thinking about an idea lately...I was wondering if the faithful here would be interested in a running series entitled "MLB History Today" wherein I take requests to look at contemporary players and draw parallels statistically and historically to players from the past and/or requests to look at historic players and compare them to players from today to give a sense of perspective on those histories? This idea has come and gone in my head for some time now, usually when watching a classic game on the MLB network (classic games are one of my favorite things...they're like a little time capsule where you get to see who was important during a different time and then you go look up their stats and read their histories...). I am wondering if the issues of the day might take on new meaning if we drew parallels2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR Mattthe NYC analogy would be "how do you do maintenance on a subway system that never sleeps?"2 months 4 weeks ago
rick82Imagine fixing a car while someone's driving it.2 months 4 weeks ago
CaffeineHit the refresh button for the page, even if you are opening the page in a new browser window - that seems to cure Shout Box weirdness. Really diggin&#039; the new stuff you got going on, Doc. As a rule, I don&#039;t pay for Web content. Yours (and the astounding crew around here) would be the immediate exception. This is my go-to site - the other guys just don&#039;t have the same caliber of info and &#039;tainment.2 months 4 weeks ago
jemanjiAh. Yes, they're migrating the site over to a different platform (or fill in the right words for 'migrate' and 'platform'!) and duct-taping until then. If I understand right. … That would explain why I'm getting odd versions of the posts and Shout Box updates depending on which device I use, maybe. They're workin' it.2 months 4 weeks ago
IcebreakerXDoc, the site is working better but there's some really weird things going on with the shoutbox. On some pages, it's stuck in the past, on others it's up-to-date. I imagine the dynamic nature of this is causing caching problems on the site overall.2 months 4 weeks ago
IcebreakerXBowden's comment about bullpen only makes sense in the context that maybe the M's are going to move some arms... Hmm...2 months 4 weeks ago
John PierceThink about how Z has operated the last two off seasons. Last year he signed Cano to a $240 mil contract. Tried to get him help, but I am thinking that the real money wasn&#039;t there yet. But he got Cano, easily the best player in baseball to invest that kind of money in. This offseason, the coffer doors have blown open. All that TV money is here. He tried for VMart and missed, so he shifts gears and gets Cruz. Then signs Seager long, long term to a team friendly contract. Trades for Happ to add needed depth to the rotation. Now he&#039;s on the verge of adding the last real piece to the puzzle without sacrificing any of the young guns. He has done it with a lot of thought. When you compare how Z has done to the GMs from Texas and LA, there is no comparison. I think Z has done a masterful job. Sign Melky and a few minor pickups and we&#039;re THERE, BAYBEE2 months 4 weeks ago
Bat571Melky's arm is better than Ackley's, but baserunners WILL run on him if he's in RF. But maybe there is more going on, though. Rios could be another piece? Or my preferred trade? Or they have Jones/Kivlehan/Blash for late inning defense? RF in Safeco is smaller, but it's still a longer throw to third or home.2 months 4 weeks ago
SABR MattRF and LF aren't very different. Don't think it matters much...and RF is the easier side in Safeco2 months 4 weeks ago