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Submitted by G_Money on

*laughs* And of course it makes me Anonymous and I spelled Dr. Elliott's name wrong in the title.  Sometimes your site drives me crazy, Doc. ;)

Addendum: an interesting thing to me will be how to project players who are fully maximizing their abilities with this training.  This is the sort of program that turns AAAA players into bench major-leaguers or moderate starters, but how do you judge which minor leaguers are leaping plateaus with more to get to and which are just squeezing every drop of performance from a lesser plateau? 

 
 It should be fun regardless - especially if these performance regimens can help minor leaguers adjust to the bigs faster.  Nothing like maximizing their contributions early instead of waiting 5 years for a Beltre breakout, for instance. 
 
~G

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Submitted by okdan on

Thanks for posting, this was a great read. I had seen a couple articles about the things they were doing with Dr. Elliott, but this gives me much appreciation for how big of a step forward this is. Great stuff.

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Submitted by G_Money on
 
 
Andrei Kirilenko was too skinny, too fragile to hold up to the rigors of the NBA despite his well-rounded prowess and wasn't able to utilize his skills effectively - and was being lapped by players like Carlos Boozer (who also trained at P3, btw).  Management went to him after the 2008-2009 season and told him to put on weight.  He was afraid to lose his quickness.  They took him to P3 and Dr. Elliott in the summer.  He went from 215 pounds to 240+, stayed just as quick without being as fragile, and this year is getting articles like this written about him in February:
 
 
...One of the big reasons behind Utah's recent change in the standings, and in particular the Jazz's improved defensive play, is that Kirilenko has suddenly reverted to his mid-2000s form. Over the past eight games, he's averaging 18.6 points per game and shooting a scalding 72.1 percent from the floor.

That's impressive enough, but what's really notable is how he's filling out the rest of the stat sheet with six rebounds, three assists, two steals and two blocks per game. It's a throwback to his "5x5" days, except now he's hitting midrange jumpers consistently. Kirilenko's impact has been notable on D, too -- Utah gives up 6.8 points fewer per 100 possessions with him on the court.

As a result, he's been more than able to offset Utah's other issues on the wings -- the nondevelopment of Ronnie Brewer and C.J. Miles, for instance, or the injury to Kyle Korver -- and provide a reliable wingman for the Deron Williams-Carlos Boozer star tandem.

Of all the things that Jack has implemented for the Mariners, this seemingly-small development, mentioned briefly in an offseason article and involving guys that only a small percentage of fans have even heard of, could carry the most long-term impact for the franchise.

Excuse me while I geek out some more.

~G

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Submitted by G_Money on

And some detail about the antagonistic muscle relaxation and paired power movement/athletic movement training and video of the basketball workouts.

http://stacktv.stack.com/video.aspx?videoID=10503086001_374

Can I please see what these workouts can do for a kid like Dustin Ackley, who just needs some more body training to be a monster?  Or Nick Franklin, who never worked out in his life before his senior year of HS and was still a first-round pick?

Fun times ahead...

~G

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Submitted by Taro on

Awesome.

Does he create programs to fit that particular sport? What kinds of things does he do for hand-eye coordination and pitch recognition?

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Submitted by misterjonez on

pitch recognition or hand-eye too much, unfortunately.  What you *CAN* do is maximize the economy of motion during the bat-swing process, which can provide extra milliseconds that the hitter can 'wait' to make a decision on whether or not to swing at a pitch.

I remember seeing an article somewhere on Bonds' ability to wait nearly TWICE AS LONG as the average hitter before committing to his swing, which is essentially what he credited for his inhuman surge in production at the plate.

Dr. Elliot can't likely work those kinds of miracles, but often the difference between contact and miss, or solid contact and pop-up, is less than 5% reaction time.  For certain guys, a serious muscle programming program can have massive implications on their performance.  For others, it won't make much of a difference in anything other than rehab times and staying healthy for longer.

Yeah, exciting stuff indeed, G.  Good find.

Taro's picture
Submitted by Taro on

Great article.

Its really exciting to see the Ms become the front-runners in athletic prep. It makes following the minors that much more fun.. and makes me feel like some of these guys will  actually start panning out.

I wonder what type of gains Ackley can make? If a guy like Carp or Saunders started hitting for more power they'd be reeeally interesting. Triunfel. Man..

Z is the man.

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Submitted by jemanji on

I tried to edit the title, and lost the paragraph breaks, and this is the best I c'n do right now...

SABRMatt might be able to tell us how to get the byline right?  My own account is a little different...

Simply amazing, how far the M's have come into the 21st century in such a short time.  Thanks for the blow-by-blow on what this move means.

:c-points:

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Submitted by csiems on

Great article!

Would like to add that Dr. Elliott was hired by the M's full time as the Director of Sports Science and Performance (you can read his bio on page 10 of the M's media guide). So it's not like he is just a freelance consultant for the team, but has a long-term role in developing training regimens for the system's players.

I would also assume that his official role with the M's prevents him from creating similar programs for other MLB teams.

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Submitted by G_Money on
Yep.  I love that he's a full-time member of the staff, and yes it should limit his role with other MLB teams but not with specific baseball players.
 
Guys like Dr. Lewis Yocum - who performed Bedard's surgery - are also contracted to teams (in Yocum's case, the Angels).  That didn't stop him from doing the surgery on Bedard.  I believe it's a team non-compete clause, but not an individual one.  He wouldn't be another team's physician, but he could be the physician for any individual player.  I would expect it to work that way for Dr. Elliott - any individual that wants to go train at his gym is free to do so, but only OUR team can use him on an organizational basis.
 
Which is phenomenal, by the way.  Dr. Elliott said in an article a couple of years ago that he wanted 24 minor leaguers to work with, to see if he can get 16 to 18 of em to the pros.  The minor leaguers he worked with before the Ms pay him a pro-rated sum on anything they make OVER $390k - in other words, if they don't make it to the pros they don't pay him a dime for his work.
 
I dunno what we're paying him, but he has absolute faith in his work, and I don't see ANY reason to doubt him.  And things should only get better as he gets a chance to work his way through our minor leagues on a year-by-year basis.
 
~G

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