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MLB Trade Rumors links up to Dave Cameron hearing the name Zach Stewart, who is BA's No. 1 Blue Jay prospect, one notch above Arencibia: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2010/269273.html

Stewart is a hard-throwing rigthy (6-2, 205) drafted in the 3rd round by Cincy out of Texas Tech despite middling college results.  He's zoomed through the minors, however, before being sent to Toronto as part of a trade-deadline package for Scott Rolen.  He's pitched in both relief and as a starter.  Has mostly been a reliever but Toronto reportly saw him as a starter.  Supposedly 95-97 heat and "biting slider."  In the minors, 138.0 IP, 129 K, 46 BB, 3 HR.

http://redlegsbaseball.blogspot.com/2009/05/zach-stewart-blowing-everyone-away.html

Almost kind of like trading Morrow for a younger Morrow, and still getting League?

But it's just a rumor.

 

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Just for full disclosure, the No. 1 BA ranking was before the Blue Jays acquired three new guys in the Halladay deal.  But he would still be no lower than 4, obviously.

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Rosenthal reports that the second player is a "minor leaguer" and not someone with MLB experience.  Churchill says Rosenthal says the player is "probably" a pitcher, although I can't find that right away on the Fox Sports site.  So Zach Stewart is the leader in the clubhouse at the moment.

Also, Morosi reports that Mike Koplove was signed to a minor league deal.  Pretty effective reliever for awhile, but hasn't really pitched since 2005.  http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/koplomi01.shtml?redir

And pure speculation that the Ms might be one of the three teams that have made offers to Justin Duchscherer. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/duchsju01.shtml?redir

 

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At first glance from the numbers.  Wlad listed as 6-2, 190; Yohermyn as 6-3, 200.

EDIT: the first site listed him at 200, but two other sites, including the official team site, list him as 6-3, 220.  So he's actually quite a bit bigger dude than Wlad.

Wlad at 20: 38 doubles, 8 triples, 25 HR, 160 K at advanced-A Cal League

Yohermyn at 20: 22 doubles, 6 triples, 21 HR, 137 K at low-A Midwest League

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Submitted by Taro on

Yuck, I MUCH prefferred the Stewart rumor..

League is going to be a really great reliever, but I was hoping for a bigger piece with our biggest trade chip..

If that rumor is true its basically Morrow for League straightup + toolsy OF whos still in low A after 335 minor league games with a horrible eye ratio and contact rate.

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Submitted by DrNaka on

>Taro points out, "WAR also underrates relievers slightly.  Yes, Position players and SPs are far more valuable, but elite relievers pitch in much more leveraged situations."

Use REW or WPA to compare starters and relievers.

Better stat than WAR in that matter.


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Submitted by jemanji on

Can you run a couple of WPA or REW's for top relievers Dr. N?  Either as a comment or article...

Your expectation for League's?

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JJ Putz: 2007 - 5.98 (!)

David Aardsma: 2009 - 2.70

Jonathan Papelbon: 2006-2009 - 5.32, 3.79, 1.86, 5.13

Mariano Rivera: Routinely between 2.53 and 5.26

Brandon League: 2009 - MINUS 1.01 (and his pLI has never been high, which means Toronto never trusted him with high leverage appearances)

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Submitted by jemanji on

Is not unreasonable, for a reliever that you're madly in love with.

I think the world of Brandon League.  On my roster, he goes in there at 3-4 WAR.

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Submitted by Sandy on

The unfortunate reality of labels is that it is quite common for a label thrust on someone to result in that player being "managed" as if that is true forever, (whether true or not).

Branyan cannot hit lefties.  All he'll EVER be is a lefty bat off the bench, or a decent platoon guy.  Anyone who voluntarily gives him even a single at bat against a RHP is a complete moron.  THAT was not only the opinion of MLB in general on Branyan - but also the opinion of nearly every Ms fan PRIOR to the 2009 season.  But, you can't draw ANY conclusions based on 12 ABs over 6 months.  If you get 2-ABs per month against lefties, OF COURSE you're going to stink.

Branyan and Aardsma were both cases where "everyone" knew they weren't capable of holding down a "real" or "important" job. 

Part of the magic of Jack is he looks for players who are "labeled" inferior or damaged -- and giving them a legitimate chance to prove the world wrong.  Branyan, Aardsma ... he wins the bet.  Cedeno?  He loses.  But, you can't EVER win that bet if you're only ever paying for "obvious" winners. 

Peripherals say that League finally "started" pulling things together in 2009.  Maybe he continues forward.  Maybe he flames out.  But, like Snell ... you can't get the "scrub" performing like a star, unless you're willing to play some scrubs.

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Submitted by jemanji on

Or they could be part of the very common syndrome, of fans who see a reliever blow a couple of games, and then hate his guts :- )

If League's makeup be a question, it's the only question left on him.  So, fair enough.

..............

Putting League into the rotation would remove that issue, and would echo the solution that was used on Morrow's behalf.

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