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Three Rookies in 2010? - II

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Submitted by JH on

I'm not against using multiple rookies in theory: it depends entirely on the personnel you've got and available alternatives.

Milwaukee, though, is a pretty bad example for 1 reason: of the guys you mentioned, only Fielder and Hardy got the regular job without "proving" himself in the majors first, and they didn't get those jobs in the same year.  Weeks hit his way into the majors at mid-season with a .320/.435/.655 line in triple-A, and then held his own there with a .727 OPS.  Braun, similarly, was called up mid-season and took off in a way we haven't really seen in years. Hart went back and forth between the majors and minors, killed the ball in the minors, then got called up as a reserve.  He didn't get regular playing time until mid-August.

The Brewers didn't just hand jobs to multiple rookies at once.  Hardy got the starting job at the beginning of 2005, Weeks mid-season that year, Fielder at the beginning of 2006, Hart late-2006, and Bruan late-2007.

Nobody doubts that a core of unproven players CAN be a good idea, but very few teams other than Oakland have handed multiple starting roles to rookies in the same season.  Even Oakland doesn't often do it with multiple position players, and the age curve for pitchers is dramatically different.

As far as the Mariners' current personnel goes, I don't think it's a TERRIBLE idea, but it's nowhere near the team's best path towards contention in 2010.

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Submitted by jemanji on

... as a group, came up and showed the Brewers what they wanted to see.  Even if they showed it over the course of a month or two each.

Still, a good month or three does not guarantee that a young player will come through.  You're still making a commitment, whether or not a 23-year-old has had a good start.  :- )

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Also, let's not forget that Zduriencik was not making these calls in Milwaukee.  The point is, he watched as his last team pushed a handful of early-20's players in there over a short period of time.

In general, the Brewers' young players did play well immediately.  I don't doubt that Zduriencik would want to see the same.

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Submitted by kgaffney on

I still think the M's should strongly consider player development as a key objective to the '10 season.  I wouldn't invest in either OF or C, since I like our depth in young players at those positions.  I would really like to pick-up a super-utility infielder as a stop loss for Wilson's health and Tui's development. It also won't impede Triunfel if he surprises with his development.

I'm in favor of buying my DH and 1B on the free agent market since that is where there are multiple options and we wouldn't be blocking any big bats.  There were 13 1B with OPS of >0.900 last year and 7 2B, 3B, and SS total with OPS of >0.900.  This is why Nick Johnson (21st best OPS for 1B) or Russell Branyan (16th best) have limited value.

Really, I think Sandy has the best low risk approach to building a team.  Find out which prospects shake out in the wash and only after that process fill the confirmed holes with veterans.  If you do it in reverse you might find you've blocked or traded the wrong prospect.  Of all Bavasi's moves, the trade of Asdrubal Cabrera has had the longest term consequences because we are still trying to come up with a quality back-up plan for Betancourt's regression.

jemanji's picture
Submitted by jemanji on

There were 13 1B with OPS of >0.900 last year and 7 2B, 3B, and SS total with OPS of >0.900.

That really puts it in perspective.

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Submitted by ajp on

Not Convinced That Backup CFs Is Zduriencik's Preference

I thought both Zduriencik and Blengino took the position that defense was a way to get value in a hurry, with the implication being they were constrained last year by both time and budget into grabbing Chavez at al.

That they actually "like" light bat/good glove LF seems like an unsupported conclusion, so I'm not sure how you get to "Saunders is no risk" even in their view.

In the end, we don't know enough about Z's front office to say what kind of player they really like. This off-season will be the only real test we have.

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Submitted by jemanji on

But the Hannahan 3b, Wilson ss, Saunders lf, much less Hannahan 1b decisions have me wondering.  Blengino's remark about "quick value" was profound, and explained the strange Chavez decision.

But how does it explain why they selected Jack Hannahan as their RLP third and first baseman?

Nor does it explain why they plumped for Jack Wilson at SS, given the fact that they had time for that decision.  They could have bid high for Scutaro at SS, for example.

The chase of Marco Scutaro to play 3B does nothing to comfort me about their willingness to balance OPS and UZR the way I would .. of course you know they're losing sleep over that one...

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I agree; it's early.   I hope that Blengino's offhand remark does speak to an ingrained philosophy.

I trust that you'd agree, if they shun Michael Saunders and bring in a veteran glove-first, light-bat LF, that it will indicate that Blengino's remark wasn't a mission statement.

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Submitted by Anonymous on

A bunch of guys who didnt do much in their first exposure to the majors to inspire a great deal of confidence in their abilities at first in MLB. All these guys got a full time job within 1 or 2 years of falling on their faces in the show. 

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*all stats brought to you without concern for park factors, injuries, age or sample size. Cause it's a two-way street. :)

 

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Submitted by jemanji on

Some of those guys, notably Brett Butler with a 44 OPS+ in his 2nd year, 268 PA's ... Walker slugging .170 in his first 50-PA year, really flailed away early.

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