Steve Baron, C

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Submitted by shields on

with better defense (I don't know much about Barajas' D, to be honest).

But offensively, anyway.  Based on his size, Baron should have some legit power down the road, and the draft reports say as much, but he may not hit for average or draw many bases on balls.

How valuable is a .240/.300/.410 catcher with great D?

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Submitted by jemanji on

As wonderful receivers who are a boom-or-bust 15-20 homers at the plate... that's a great way to think of it...

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.240/.300/.410, if a guy is one of the best receivers in the game, is a starting ML catcher for sure...

Question is whether *you* want to try to win your pennant with such a player, or whether you're aiming higher.  Where are you on that one Jon?  Would you be happy with a .240/300/.410 GG candidate as your starter for 6, 8 years?

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Submitted by jemanji on

Needless to say, we're not claiming Steve Baron won't hit.   Who has any idea what he'll hit.  :- )

We're just asking the question 'on draft day' so to speak, yeah, if you get that 240/300/410 guy with a good glove, is that what you want?

Me personally, I lean against, but of course you don't always get to pick-and-choose your catcher, and you've got to thicken the minor-league pyramid...

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Submitted by M's Watcher on

The perception was that Baron was picked as a cheap signing after Ackley at the top.  In the end, i think he cost the M's a bit more than expected.  Even if he meets expectations for his development, hindsight might still show there were better players available.  However, if he becomes an MLB player of any sort, it was a good pick.  Draft picks don't come with guarantees.

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Submitted by shields on

I think that was just a lot of fans and analysts trying to justify taking a prep catcher who was considered a reach over the high upside arms that were there for the taking (Paxton, Scheppers, Brothers, Oliver, etc etc).  In the end, as mentioned, he wasn't a bargain pick, and cost about slot if I remember correctly.  Cheaper than some of those arms? Sure.  But not enough to justify if you're going for the best player available.

Of course, maybe the Mariners thought they got the best player available. 

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Submitted by Taro on

I didn't like this pick at all (and Baron's awful offensive performance didn't change things), though I really liked the Nick Franklin pick.

We'll see I guess. Prospects are unpredictable.

If he hits even a little, he'll be interesting.

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His swing mechanics are all FUBAR'ed, but that maybe with some conditioning help, he can wait on pitches longer and cut down on the K rate a tad.  Not saying we should expect miracles, but the kid is 19 and huge.  He could turn into Jason Varitek just as easily as he could turn into a career AA player.

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Submitted by JFro' on

I had the luxury of tracking down some YouTube video of him on draft day before they took it down, and his swing mechanics were not good.  They seemed to be geared twoards making good with the aluminum, but I suspect that he'll have a bit of trouble transitioning to wood because he won't be able to get away with as much.

 

The defense though, that's another story.  He's probably one of the best backstops I've seen, and that he's just a kid on top of that is astonishing.  It's not just that he blocks pitches and is good at framing everything, it's that he has this smooth way of responding to every little change in movement.  It's very fluid how he'll move back and forth to get the pitch, and the transitions are so easy, not even quick-twitch jump into the path of the ball, that it's like he knows exactly where it's going before it even leaves the pitcher's hand.  I skipped over the parts where he was hitting, but the defense, man, I must have watched that five or six times before it was taken down, and still wanted to see it again weeks later! 

 

I hope that he'll be able to put as much effort into getting his swing straightened out as he has into his defense.

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Submitted by shields on

All draft reports said the same thing: The swing has to be completely scrapped.  It is not good.

With that, I'm going to turn a blind eye on his offensive numbers for the next year or two and hope that they are able to get him doing something better.  Having him in big league camp working with big league coaches can't hurt, either.

 

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Submitted by jemanji on

Much better than the post.  I'll take a million of 'em just like that.

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Jay's description of Baron behind the plate reminds me of a kid who came up in 1968 or 1969 for the Reds...

Bench's entire body was just fluid like liquid metal behind the plate, the whole presence casually dominant back there, just a huge pleasure to watch him even toss the ball back to the pitcher, like a dad patiently tossing a wiffleball back to his 5-year-old son...

Bench did not hit in his first go-round the minors either, though at 19 slugged .500 in AAA :- )

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Appreciate the description about the tennis-style volley with the big metal sweet spot on the bat.  That's a big problem.

But nobody has any idea what Baron will hit, at 19, so am willing to give the offense a complete pass and see what happens the next couple years.

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