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State of the Washburn, Offspeed Dept.

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glmuskie's picture
Submitted by glmuskie on

Wash's post-game comments about his success (paraphrasing here)

'It's all about the sink I'm getting on the two seamer.  In spring training we tried changing how I finished that pitch so that it would get more sink, and it's been working really well.  It's a pitch I didn't have before this year, and I don't see why I can't continue to throw it effectively for the rest of my career'.

This is what SABRMatt was talking about, how looking at his stats and pitch F/X data doesn't really paint the whole picture.

But count me in the highly skeptical camp on Wash.  I think your prognosis of continued success through '09, with a dropoff in '10, is the most likely scenario.  Can anyone think of a good comp for this situation?  Mediocre journeyman pitcher tweaks his arsenal about age 30 and becomes a top-20 pitcher in the league for an extended period of time?

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Submitted by jemanji on

And Washburn's report of increased sink, that is very easily seen in his stats.  As y'know, his groundballs and line drives are up, and his flyballs down.

I'm not 100% sure that the sink itself is inherently a good thing, if it means you're now giving up fly balls and sharp grounders as opposed to skied fly balls in Safeco...

But Washburn says it looks to him like it's the reason he's pitching so well.  He's got a closer view than we do :- )

SABR Matt's picture

...when your chief problem as a pitcher is too many home runs, reducing the flball rate is good.  Even if it means your BABIP goes up a bit.  Trading HRs for singles and GIDPs is a good thing.

G_money's picture
Submitted by G_money on

Warrior mentality, mediocre FB, nothing special but masters a deceptive pitch at age 30 and goes on to win 250 games?

The name you're searching for is Jamie Moyer.

~G

jemanji's picture
Submitted by jemanji on

If Jamie Moyer physically LOOKED like Roger Clemens or Curt Schilling, he'd go down as the toughest hombre since Ares.

SABR Matt's picture

Washburn took longer if indeed he mastered deception and finally learned the joy of pulling the string on hitters, but he could pitch effectively for a few more years if he's found his old-man groove like Jamie did.

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Submitted by MtGrizzly on

I've seen Washburn quoted two or three times this year talking about the new release point, the sinker, the changeup, now the loopy curveball...every time he's said something to the effect (paraphrasing) "the hitters aren't used to seeing this from me".

One of the reasons he hated pitching to Joh was that if were up to Wash (prior to this year), he would throw 90% fastballs. 88mph fastballs, up in the zone, with movement. Over and over and over. The league had him booked. If his control was on, he would beat you; if it was off, you would get him but the batter pretty much knew what the game plan is. Now all of a sudden, he's changing things up on them. Sometimes he's low in the zone, sometimes he's up; sometime he'll throw the change and sometimes it's that loopy curve ball. It'll be interesting to see him face some teams that scout well for a second time and see if the hitters approach him differently.

It's fun to watch a guy execute the Bosio game plan. I wouldn't extend him but it wouldn't surprise me to see him go to St Louis or Philly or Atlanta and pitch well for another three years.

jemanji's picture
Submitted by jemanji on

For three years he griped that he wasn't throwing enough fastballs, and boom, here he's crediting all his success to his offspeed game.

Imagine how Johjima feels listening to that.

EA's picture
Submitted by EA on

One of Rob Johnson's many talents must include hypnosis.  It would also explain how he manages to get into the lineup so much!

 

*You're getting sleeeepy Don.  Veeeery sleeeeepy*

SABR Matt's picture

Well if he can do that to the opposing team night after night...I'm golden. :)

jemanji's picture
Submitted by jemanji on

And he's throwing another shutout Thursday, from behind the plate.

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