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Spring Training, 3.12.10

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SABR Matt's picture

...we don't need Cordero to be a closer. We need him to eat 60 average middle relief innings.

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Submitted by jemanji on

It's just that I don't care for him doing that either. :- )

He's always been 88-90, smoke and mirrors.... the BB and HR problems started early for him. He had to nibble very early in his career, especially as a reliever.

Could be wrong. I see him as an innings-eater, and in the bullpen why not use Colome or somebody like that, as opposed to Ismael Valdes or Carlos Silva for 60 IP?

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Submitted by jemanji on

Asked about Tui, "He's doing what he needs to do. That's the bottom line."

Not declaring victory, but am encourageder.

SABR Matt's picture

My SS projection is going to include Tuiasosopo as the primary back-up SS, not Josh Wilson. I sincerely hope the Mariners do this correctly.

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Then Jack Wilson ends up on the bench in short order, and trading away Mr. Triunfel no longer causes ANYONE concern. :P

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Submitted by jemanji on

Let's say -10 runs below the median in the AL, then a .270/.360/.500 bat would give us a whale of a club-controls player. You'd have a Miguel Tejada profile at SS.

Thing is, I don't think Zduriencik would play a .600 SLG guy at SS if the player were -10, -15 runs on defense. I think he'd move the guy somewhere else.

Even the substitute role won't be over until April 6 no matter how Tui hits ....

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Submitted by misterjonez on

I love the guy, and have been lock-step with Doc on him since he was drafted. The problem is, what do you do with him if he ISN'T a SS?

2B is presumably undergoing an Area 51-esque transformation into Ackley Town over the next year or so, 3B can have Chone over there doing his best Brooks Robinson impersonation and SS has Wilson. I suppose you could turn Tui into a mega-McLemore for awhile, but isn't he worth the most as a) starting SS or b) starting SS/3B elsewhere?

This is one of those times that there is NO complaining about the guy. No matter what he does, it seems like our management is actually CAPABLE of leveraging his value properly, if not outright maximizing it.

.270/.360/.500 and -10 defensively would have ME putting him at SS for sure. But I'd imagine SD or maybe even Milwaukee would appreciate his profile a little more than our FO.

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Submitted by jemanji on

You know and I know that ML organizations are a lot sharper than we fans are.

If Tui's star potential is real, not illusory, and if we are perceiving it, then ML teams will also perceive it.

There will come a point when other franchises buy into Matt Tuiasosopo. When they do, Zduriencik has an opportunity to configure.

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Choo Factor 101 on that trade. :- ) Tui could hit 300 home runs in the major leagues. Don't take Ken Phelps for him.

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Submitted by misterjonez on

and what he's been able to do recently, I don't think it's unreasonable to place his upside as that of Mike Piazza at the dish. 400 dingers is probably out of reach, and I'd say he's not going to present a very good chance at a bunch of .600 slg% seasons like Piazza did, but I can definitely see his upside as a .370 OBP with a long peak in the .550 slg% range.

Good call on Choo. I still shake my head over that one.

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Submitted by jemanji on

Piazza himself was a freak ... at one time posting 170-180 OPS+'s like Albert Pujols does now...

The template, ya, that's the jackpot you're rollin' for with Tui IMHO....

Oh, you prob'ly meant Piazza in his 30's. .280/.360/.500+.  OK.

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If Tui goes for .360 with 40 homers I'll cheerfully admit I botched his projection :- )

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Submitted by moe on

I'm almost to the point of projecting Tui to be the nearly everyday 3B. He's going to get a whole bunch of AB's.

Here's my over/under bets.

1. Bradley implodes.......by July 1.
2. Kotchman leaves us asking, "Why?"......May 1.
3. Lopez throws a hissy fit.......May 2.
4. Garko hits his way into a bunch of 1B AB's.......Mid-April.

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Submitted by jemanji on

Whaassup with #3? You mean hissy fit in the abstract, because Tui is chewing on his starts? :- ) Always took Jose for the nicest kid in class...

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Submitted by MtGrizzly on

Why does Tui have to start now or get moved now? The Angels have been tormenting the west with a flood of young position players that come up, play a few positions, get 350-400 AB's per year for a year or three and then settle into a position. Heck, the M's just picked up the prototype in Figgins. Why can't Tui be the super-sub utility guy for a couple of years before being slotted into a permanent position? Is there really an issue with having a cheap Aybar-type player on the roster?

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Submitted by jemanji on

Your org has arrived when a bunch of deserving players are frustrated about their PT.

A decade or two ago, I always associated this with the Braves, who seemed to annually have four of the game's top 50 prospects three-peating AAA :- )

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