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Sizzlers: Michael Pineda, Mauricio Robles

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Submitted by jemanji on

Including the early-season game in which Felix got robbed on 15-20 strike calls (to 1 for Shields, IIRC). And every time a new season starts, I think of Shields as a left hand pitcher.

I wonder which other pitcher I'm crossing him with in my addled mind.

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Note: when Pineda first hit the minors, he was listed as 6-5, 180. In fact, his profile at milb.com still lists him at that weight.

But now he is listed at 6-5, 243(!) AND both Baker and Drayer say that listing UNDERestimates how intimidating he is on the mound.

So he went from "beanpole" to "monster tight end" since he came to the States. Looks like he kept his pinpoint control during the transition, too. I'm skeptical that he actually added 60 pounds, but in the picture at milb he does look kinda skinny: http://highdesert.mavericks.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t504...

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Submitted by RockiesJeff on

Thanks Doc for the articles and the links. Loved watching Fister's movement. I love reading about the kids coming up. It doesn't take 20 of them if a few can take that step forward each year. Hard to keep throwing 90+ with short arms though!

Oh yes, "Lacks projection due to frame." Good comeback! Pitchers don't need to look like they were recruited to play OL for the Cornhuskers! Like the Baron articles, think that smaller but quicker catchers will make a comeback also?

Enjoy your day. Thanks for all of your work!

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Submitted by jemanji on

On the short pitchers, maybe Lincecum will personally erode that. Pedro didn't change anybody's mind, but I wonder if Lincecum won't be a more compelling example, in part because he was so controversial coming up.

In the NFL, whoever wins the Super Bowl sets the tone for playing strategy... will be interested to see if Lincecum has somewhat of the same effect...

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Submitted by Taro on

Robles and Pineda look like are #1 and #2 pitching specs right now.

Pineda's delivery scares me, so I'd rank him behind Robles. Ability-wise Pineda has to be far-and-away #1 though.

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Submitted by shields on

I want to see Pineda miss some high-minors bats before I view him as a top of the rotation guy. But as a strike throwing groundballer there is a lot of value there.

I like Robles a lot better with the encouraging reports on the changeup this spring and the realization that he started throwing a sinker post-trade. My two favorite pitches!

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Submitted by jemanji on

But it sez here there will be no issue with Pineda getting his K's against upper levels, starting with this spring. :- )

The first slider he threw on the video was vicious by any standard, and a short-arm 92 fastball on the black is a **** pitch. Get his 6+ K's at any level.

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Submitted by jemanji on

Ability-wise, Pineda is the best talent I have seen come up through the M's minors, short of Felix and Meche before he got hurt. Pineda is more impressive, at his age, than Langston was.

If only his elbow were going to be sound.

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Submitted by jemanji on

Ya Jon if he's got a plus changeup to go with that FB, that's an exciting arsenal...

Gotta love the angle and life on his FB...

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Submitted by glmuskie on

The M's got Robles for next to nothing. And now he's our org #2 pitching prospect? Yowza.

Recall that at the time, Z said of the trade, 'It was an opportunity to put a gun to the head of a scout'.

Give that scout a raise, and maybe next time lets try a bazooka. ; )

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Submitted by shields on

Cortes was also considered the #2 or even #1 SP prospect when we traded for him, and he's certainly not someone that inspires confidence. Glad to have him, but in a better system he (and Robles, perhaps) are 4-5+ I would think.

Of course, that could be a giant misconception with regards to how much pitching depth teams have. Too sleepy to look into it.

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Submitted by jemanji on

They consider the M's to have the #30 pitching system - under those circumstances it is nice to trade for Robles and Cortes, who are at least as talented as any Mariner farmhand other than Pineda...

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