Pepper, June 28

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Taro's picture
Submitted by Taro on

I wonder why people think that Branyan can't handle 3rd base now. Hasn't he logged more innings there at the majors than at 1st?

I think he'd be fine. Hes going to be a below-average 3B, but you can deal with that considering offensive boost. Or would you rather just start Ronnie Cedeno at 2B?

 

 

Taro's picture
Submitted by Taro on

Langerhans isn't the most exciting move, but hes a nice short-term stop gap until Mike Saunders is ready and he has a little upside. The fact that he costed us NOTHING is pretty nice.

I've got to admit I am a little concerned about the NL to AL conversion, but I think Langerhans is a much better hitter than a guy like Cedeno (who I was NEVER high on).

Unlike Reed, Langerhans BBs a LOT more (much better O-Swing%), makes less contact, and has more power. I think Reed is a good comp for him defensively, but hes a better hitter than Jeremy Reed.

Ya, I would have prefferred a guy like Gabe Gross who can give you a plus bat in addition to the plus D, but this is a nice short-term move for the Ms if they didn't want to pay ANYthing. Langerhans is also going to be a sweet #4 outfielder for the next couple years as well.

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Submitted by jemanji on

... viewed specifically as a band-aid to take the short-term pressure off the Cheney guys, Langerhans is logical.

Taro's picture
Submitted by Taro on

Heh...If we're going to go into dream scenarios the guy I'm REALLY hoping we go after is Seth Smith. Lefty bat, GREAT eye, good pop, average contact, above-average D with a poor arm (good fit for LF). Hes a potential J.D Drew with a weaker arm. 

Gabe Gross is my favorite 'cheap' addition, moreso than even Langerhans. Great fit, very underrated ballplayer. Seth Smith, on the other hand, is a potential star.

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Submitted by SABR Matt on

To blow up the infield defense or not to blow up the infield defense...

That is the question.

Branyan's career UZR at third base since 2002: -7 (per 150 games).  Eeeeeeewwwww.

That's a 20-run swing from Adrian Beltre's performance this year and that's being optimistic.  Of course, the logical question is...what's our other option?  Because it's not Lopez to third...if you do that, who plays second?  Because that's not Betancourt (injured) or Cedeno (doing Betancourt's job) or Josh Wilson (AA-level talent...not even AAA).

At this point...I don't think we have much of a choice...I think Carp has to start at first and Branyan at third...it's only for 6-8 weeks...if Branyan can hold serve relative to the positive run gain you get from Carp upgrading us over the (lack of) production from Beltre...we're no worse off, though the ERA may well go up.  Of course...that implies that Carp hits.  We're not 100% sure on that, but if he doesn't, we do have other options (Shelton, e.g.).

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Submitted by Sandy - Raleigh on

Hey, I'm a friend of the fish -- I suggested him as a possible acquisition before the Putz trade materialized.  But, what if the choice isn't about Branyan at all?

What if the reason you keep Branyan at first is because you, (meaning Z and W) already "know" that Carp isn't yet ready for the full-time gig?  What if, (God forbid), they are actually considering the possible negative ramifications of simply handing the 20-something the 1B gig?  What if, (and I know this is completely new thinking to most Mariner fans), the club has a PLAN for how to best develop their young talent?  What if the club understands there is a big flaw somewhere in Carp's game that they are working on fixing? 

The previous regime was all about sink-or-swim development (sic).  So, the masses have gotten used to the concept of calling a guy up - shoving him into a position full-time, watching him fail - and then blaming the failure on lack of talent, (and talent assessment). 

Of course, every player is different.  The development path for Pujols or Chipper Jones is NOT the same as Chase Utley or Jimmy Rollins or Raul Ibanez.  Some guys are great immediately.  Some make steady improvement and finally plateau.  Others start quickly, then struggle, then rebound, then explode. 

The focus is firmly on Branyan - can he play defense.  The ASSUMPTION is that Carp can simply step in and thrive.  Sure Carp has looked really great in his THIRTEEN (13) plate appearances.  This is good news.  But it doesn't necessarily mean he's ready for a full-time, (or even a full-time platoonee) gig. 

Then again, Sweeney is a proven commodity at first base, (proven to be fragile), so why not just put HIM in as the full-time 1B?  Why isn't anyone making THAT suggestion? 

I suspect it is because the expectation of Sweeney's performance as a full-time 1B is such that nobody even wants to ponder that move. 

I, for one, am happy to see the club showing patience and restraint in their treatment of prospects.  The sense I get is that there IS a plan, and that they aren't simply dumping whatever the plan might be based on every random hiccup. 

For years, I've watched a club that showed some skill at developing talent.  When I first began looking at Seattle, I saw evidence everywhere I looked that the club was making moves that (in my eyes) were CLEARLY detrimental to the development of their prospects.  Today, I am seeing signs of intelligence in the player development process.  Of course, I have no way of knowing what the real motivators are.  Maybe they are just petrified of Branyan's glove (or arm), at third base.  Or, maybe it's not about Branyan at all.

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Submitted by Taro on

I think its about trying to maximize the Overall production.

Branyan at 3B gives you more opportunities to add offense. You can try Mike Carp or Shelton at 1st (or maybe a platoon between them) and see if one of them pans out.

Branyan at 1B opens up a spot for Cedeno or Woodward. One guy who is proving he can't hit AT ALL and the other a 33 year old RL player with very little upside.

The first option just has MUCH more upside and a higher downside as well. With Beltre out we need production. Branyan at 3B gives us more potential for that.

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